Post: #26

My number three things are has a great career but doesn’t drone on about it

Knows how to tactfully reject approaches without blowing them out the water

Exposing me to things I would have otherwise never been exposed too(experienced, culture..,etc)

Post: #27

Normal generic friends. No kooks or wierrdos

Post: #28

(12-15-2018 08:13 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  Normal generic friends. No kooks or wierrdos

Agreed, and I'd also add: Friends who are kind of dorky and less attractive than she is.

Some people choose friends based on things like common interests, loyalty, sense of humor, etc. Other, status-obsessed people latch on to the "coolest" social circle they can gain access to. I don't need to tell you which type makes a better girlfriend.

Post: #29

(12-15-2018 09:06 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  I've never met one but I imagine I'd be 90% of the way to marrying a girl if she was able to read a map and give directions. Further to this, a girl who makes sure there is conversation when you're driving, this is particularly for the really long drives that can get really difficult if she just sits playing on her phone or sleeps or whatever instead of making sure that you're attended to.

Saying thank you is certainly one, even to little things. It's amazing how much better your own little gestures feel when they're appreciated and it just makes the entire relationship better.

Disliking feminism is another or at least not agreeing with it's general direction.

You bring up a good point. Girls that need to use a GPS to get everywhere seem so stupid to me. It's like they don't even know how to get anywhere besides home to work and back. I've had girls pick me up and need a GPS to get back onto the highway (like 4 turns from my house). I really question their intelligence.

My cousin fits all 3 of your criteria, but she's strange. She has an amazing sense of direction and despises feminism. But she's also a racist and her life goal is to marry a neo-nazi

Post: #30

You guys are a bit weird with the map and direction thing. Women suck with those, but that's because their brains are not wired for it. The ones who are better with maps and directions are more male-brained, and they come with a host of problems that I'm not sure you'd want to deal with.

Post: #31

(12-15-2018 09:51 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  You guys are a bit weird with the map and direction thing. Women suck with those, but that's because their brains are not wired for it. The ones who are better with maps and directions are more male-brained, and they come with a host of problems that I'm not sure you'd want to deal with.

The female-brained girls are already bad enough with their feminism and careers and liberalism. They're slutty too. How much worse could male-brained girls be?

Post: #32

You guys are a little harsh about the map thing. There's not a big need for that skill anymore given the advancement of the GPS in phones. I use google maps all the time abroad to point me in the right direction. I've done the same on more than a handful of long US road trips. And I grew up in a time where it wasn't that developed yet and my dad and I used to have to use real maps and printed out directions. I'll give you though that you should have your sense of direction down for some locations once you're settled in there and gone down certain routes multiple times.

Back to the question at hand, I've had an ex or two with some of the qualities mentioned, so maybe I was lucky. But, I'll echo what was said earlier in not letting the green flags distract you from a potential red flag. I have made that mistake once or twice but luckily at no real cost. Good qualities in a woman I'm interested in for a LTR are very important to me. Thinking about this topic myself lately, some of the things I would mention are:

-How she treats service staff or those struggling. This was mentioned before but I think this is a big one. These are people that usually have to take a lot of shit from others, and I used to be a service staff member myself. I think it shows a lot of courtesy and empathy keeping what they might feel in mind. For those struggling, one example is in the Philippines, sometimes rest stop bathrooms will ask for small donations to keep plumbing up to date. My ex really pushed me to give something to them, not knowing them at all. I was in a little culture shock not used to paying to go to the bathroom, so I hesitated. She was ready to pull out pesos from her own wallet before I finally got a little change myself.

-Initiating care for you. Maybe I just like nurturing girls, but for girls of my past, some big points they got from me when a couple initiated to come over and take care of me when I was sick even when I really insisted that it wasn't necessary, or when I invite them over to spend the night and the next day I see them tidying up my place and making it look better without even a mention of it from me beforehand.

-Optimism. This one is particularly important for me because I am more of a practical person than a blind optimist. I find optimism in a girl is a great balance for me and it gets me to relax in a potentially tense situation. Seeing optimism in a girl is like seeing a ray of sunshine in the world. Positive people are generally very good for your life, but in a girl you're potentially going to date long-term, I find it makes life a lot easier.

-Shyness. This is a weird one, but I tend to like genuinely shy girls. What this usually signals to me is that they won't just let anyone into their life and if you gain their trust and get them to open up to you, there is a greater chance that it is genuine and if you break that initial barrier, in theory it should lead to a tighter bond.

Post: #33

Absolutely no problem using the technology available to you when traveling but you shouldn't need it in your own city or surrounding cities. Maybe it's just me but in every state I lived, I've had a mental map of where every city is located relative to another. So if you dropped me in the middle of some adjacent town, I'd know whether to go west or east on a main road. Fwiw I don't have a car charger or internal navigation on the off chance my phone dies, I've had to get back home without it. Signs are very helpful. Maps/Google maps are absolutely necessary for me in neighborhoods. But I've really seen girls who do not know where their home is located relative to mine. I'm giving them a ride home and they are just completely clueless on the direction of their house. I don't like a GPS on because it crudely interrupts the music. But I know I am a minority. We camped a lot in my family in huge forests and when I was 8 got separated from them and was alone for hours, terrified. When my father recounts the story he says I ended up around 2-3 miles away. The fact that he and some other male relatives found me was very impressive to me, so I've always valued being directionally aware as an intelligent quality.

Interestingly enough, my ex-girlfriend treated the struggling exceptionally well. I've seen her give $5 dollars at a time to obvious drug addicts on the streets, and I told her she was a sucker since they're just going to spend it on drugs. But she said they aren't going to quit without her $5, they would just commit more crime to get their fix, and if that one fix could make them even temporarily satisfied or well, she was happy to help. But at the same time, I found her to be rude to service staff, especially other females. I don't think it was jealousy since they usually werent very attractive, but she was very demanding and somewhat demeaning. It was always "I don't like her attitude" "notice how she only made eye contact with you and not me" etc. She would skimp on tips to younger females but always tipped older people and minorities(despite being a home-grown conservative) extremely generously or encouraged me to, even when I wasn't happy with the service. She'd say something is obviously not going well in his or her life to be waiting tables at age 50.


A shy optimistic girl sounds lovely but I feel like I rarely see it. Most of the shy girls are pessimists and the outgoing are optimists. But I don't think I've ever broken a shy girl, either.

Post: #34

(12-15-2018 10:13 PM)Aenema Wrote:  

(12-15-2018 09:51 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  You guys are a bit weird with the map and direction thing. Women suck with those, but that's because their brains are not wired for it. The ones who are better with maps and directions are more male-brained, and they come with a host of problems that I'm not sure you'd want to deal with.

The female-brained girls are already bad enough with their feminism and careers and liberalism. They're slutty too. How much worse could male-brained girls be?

If you want a "male brained" girl just go to any asperger syndrome themed event.


RVF guys reporting on these types of girls here:
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Post: #35

• Close friends are mostly females in happy LTRs.
• [if of different ethnicity] Has a large proportion of friends and acquaintances from their own ethnic/cultural background. Foreigner-chasers bring their own problems.
• Doesn't hate men of their own race, I would be disappointed if I found out my GF wasn't dating me on my own merits.
• Naturally curious and willing to learn for the sake of new knowledge.

Post: #36

Great thread, love the positivity.  I agree  with most of the above. These behaviors demonstrate humility, thoughtfulness, consideration and an appreciation and respect for you as a man.  Such a woman has been raised right, with a strong father and hopefully older brothers who have disabused her of any notion that she's a special princess to be revered and feared.

I'll add that a woman who is not very interested in traveling (especially on my dime) is a keeper.  That woman is content, centered, grateful and is not a thrill seeking entitled wanton.

As mentioned before, these girls may be dangerous. While these attributes are great when they're genuine, beware of learned "how to lock down a man" girl game.  I can't tell you how many women have dived across that front seat to open the driver's side door because they've seen A Bronx Tale.  I'm an older gent and this hilariously makes no sense nowadays since most cars have electronic locks.  It's actually a red flag that she's running girl game.  The key is congruency - does she display and live a broad range of the behaviors listed above, or is she gaming the gamer?  "Trust, but verify."

Never let your guard down, remember that hypergamy doesn't care; she's not yours, it's your turn; and keep improving yourself and keep being the fucking Man.  

Post: #37

An optimistic woman is an attractive one.
A woman who is genuinely interested in your passion.
A woman with a sound social circle free of attention whores or those with questionable behavior.

Post: #38

(12-14-2018 09:08 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  I've noticed a bit of negativity and whining around the "manosphere". I don't like negativity, it creates more negativity.

So for something more positive, I'm thinking we should start a list and discuss hidden signs of HIGH quality women...

To get the ball rolling, I highly rate women who are helpful when it comes to little things like getting the door if you're lugging heavy items, or making calls and organizing tickets/reservations for you while you're driving. Making lunch or fixing you a drink while you mow the lawn... Generally noticing that if you're tied up with a task, a little effort from her will be appreciated, especially when the task benefits both people.

Being pleasant and positive is also a high quality trait. It takes effort and will-power to stay positive. Whenever I spend time with a girl who is optimistic, it rubs off on me and I see the world in a better light. This sort of positivity enhances your experience of the world and makes you more effective as a man...

I think elitism is the answer--fulfilling your potential and finding others like you, building a traditional home, separating yourself from the degeneracy that, let's face it, has and will always exist.

Historically there have always been the weak and the strong, there is no such thing as equality, you're put on this earth to win your right to healthily reproduce, and reach a position to survive no matter the conditions outside your control.

You win or you lose it's that simple: you have to carve out your own path: it's always been that way. High quality women find high quality men, you don't have to look for them, that's their job.

Post: #39

(12-15-2018 10:13 PM)Aenema Wrote:  

(12-15-2018 09:51 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  You guys are a bit weird with the map and direction thing. Women suck with those, but that's because their brains are not wired for it. The ones who are better with maps and directions are more male-brained, and they come with a host of problems that I'm not sure you'd want to deal with.

The female-brained girls are already bad enough with their feminism and careers and liberalism. They're slutty too. How much worse could male-brained girls be?

Actually male-brained girls are more likely to be feminists.

Post: #40

Knows when to bite her tongue and chill out.

I notice this a lot in older generation women. Sometimes my grandfather would be in a heated mood and my grandmother would go fix a cup of tea for him and just chill. No naggy bullshit, just let him cool off.

I've noticed that many younger generation women (especially western) don't understand this at all and it leads to a lot of tension. I've had to check a few girls while chillin for saying nonsense when they should just be quiet and in the moment.

Sometimes some opinions are just not meant to be heard. This applies to women who know they don't know anything but still wanna participate as though their opinions do matter simply because they have a hole between their legs.

Post: #41

(12-17-2018 05:51 AM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

(12-15-2018 10:13 PM)Aenema Wrote:  

(12-15-2018 09:51 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  You guys are a bit weird with the map and direction thing. Women suck with those, but that's because their brains are not wired for it. The ones who are better with maps and directions are more male-brained, and they come with a host of problems that I'm not sure you'd want to deal with.

The female-brained girls are already bad enough with their feminism and careers and liberalism. They're slutty too. How much worse could male-brained girls be?

Actually male-brained girls are more likely to be feminists.

I'd think that male-brained girls are less likely to follow the trend, and the trend is feminism. When I think of a male-brained girl, I think of a straight up misogynist girl. I used my cousin as an example. Completely male-brained, hardened conservative, and only messes with skinheads and neonazis. She is actually male-brained. I don't consider girls who want careers and want to have casual sex because it's okay for men, and girls who participate in the SlutWalk...to me those aren't male-brained chicks. They're just losers. Another member said girls with aspergers are male-brained, and that I can definitely see. And those aspie girls aren't feminists.

Post: #42

(12-17-2018 12:18 PM)Aenema Wrote:  ...aspie girls aren't feminists.

Correct.

Aspie girls can bisexual curious though....but they will usually go for a feminine looking girl to kiss, and will stay clear of all the ugly short haired lesbians. However, it's usually just an experimental thing and they default to men for a relationship.

Post: #43

I love this thread.

A couple I remember:

*She gives you small gifts handmade by her (e.g. one girl made organic/natural cosmetics, and prepared me a special ground-rice with honey face scrub).

*She normally dresses elegantly but in a non-slutty way. But when she's with you in private, she will indulge you with sexy garments such as lingerie, fishnets, corsets, tight dresses....

*She is close to her family, and helps her mom, dad and siblings in an altruistic manner (e.g. helps her mom choose and plan her wedding, helps her brother finish his bachelor's thesis, even working late after her work hours).

*She remembers your favourite food, and cooks it for you.

*She works very hard at work, and is recognized there as brilliant. She is not a slacker, or complainer other than the usual "it has been a hard week".

Post: #44

Another quality I greatly admire are women who rarely complain.

Doesn't matter how bad the day gets, she will still put on a smile and stay in the mindset that things will improve.

I don't mind when a woman decides to "vent" every once and a while. As long as it doesn't occur on a regular basis.

Dated a woman for a short period of time that was never happy with anything. Constantly bitched and moaned about her job, living situation, food, etc. Her negativity was sucking the joy out of my life so I decided to cut ties.

Told her straight up her complaining was toxic and how I didn't care to hear it. She would knock it off for a little while and then it would start right back up again. Don't let women bring affect your attitude and overall positive outlook on what you do and how you spend your time.

Post: #45

A woman who is into gardening. Not just flowers to pick and put in a vase to set on the table. I mean growing fruits and vegetables, harvesting the yields and preparing you with organic meals. IG bitches can't even screw in a light bulb or boil an egg let alone cultivate a thriving garden of her own.

Post: #46

I have a pretty short "must have" quality signs checklist when going on a first date with a girl:

- Has long term female friends - it shows agreeableness and loyalty. Any girl with no friends has serious issues that will emerge sooner or later
- Exercises regularly - it shows long term planning and work ethic
- Has at least one non internet related hobby/passion
- College degree - slightly ties into the long term planning/work ethic, but also just because its a very easy social class signifier in most of the world
- Doesn't use her phone on the date unless you're in the bathroom

Post: #47

(12-17-2018 12:18 PM)Aenema Wrote:  I'd think that male-brained girls are less likely to follow the trend, and the trend is feminism. When I think of a male-brained girl, I think of a straight up misogynist girl. I used my cousin as an example. Completely male-brained, hardened conservative, and only messes with skinheads and neonazis. She is actually male-brained. I don't consider girls who want careers and want to have casual sex because it's okay for men, and girls who participate in the SlutWalk...to me those aren't male-brained chicks. They're just losers. Another member said girls with aspergers are male-brained, and that I can definitely see. And those aspie girls aren't feminists.

I think you confuse a thread about "High Quality Women" with a thread about defective women who are wired like men.

Post: #48

I was out with some friends a few years back and two girls were standing in line in front of us. One of my friends commented on them being attractive. Another friend looked down at their feet (they had open-toed sandals on) and looked at us disgusted. He said, “if she can’t take care of her feet, imagine what else she neglects.”

Post: #49

(12-19-2018 06:14 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 12:18 PM)Aenema Wrote:  I'd think that male-brained girls are less likely to follow the trend, and the trend is feminism. When I think of a male-brained girl, I think of a straight up misogynist girl. I used my cousin as an example. Completely male-brained, hardened conservative, and only messes with skinheads and neonazis. She is actually male-brained. I don't consider girls who want careers and want to have casual sex because it's okay for men, and girls who participate in the SlutWalk...to me those aren't male-brained chicks. They're just losers. Another member said girls with aspergers are male-brained, and that I can definitely see. And those aspie girls aren't feminists.

I think you confuse a thread about "High Quality Women" with a thread about defective women who are wired like men.

I didn't say these were high quality traits in women...I was replying to another user who listed these 3 things as HQ, and pointed out that my cousin has all 3 but wouldnt be considered high quality to most guys on this forum

Post: #50

Cool cool, yeah I don't think we should take male-brained girls seriously. For one, they're often the type that say "I have all male friends because I don't get along with girls, they're so bitchy...." and we all know what that means.

High quality women are feminine women. Now there are plenty of corrupted bad feminine women out there, whom we should be aware of and probably avoid, but that doesn't mean we should go looking for masculine women...