Post: #76

The thing with Jews is that when it comes to academic/white collar professional achievement, they excel because they have evolved over centuries to be intellectually capable of handling mental stresses, especially in the Ivy League environment. They are high achievers because they want to be high achievers

However, the fallacy is that since they are Semites, they are clannish, and they will put the tribe first and only help other tribe members. Also, they have beta and womenesque behavior that just rubs people the wrong way, even though some Jews know better and contribute quite well to the Gentile societies that they inhabit. That desert thinking is still with them even though they have only been a cosmopolitan tribe for 2,000 years.

Post: #77

This is a common misconception. I ran the statistics on this in another thread.

Even if the average IQ of Jews in the United States was 115 (it's not) with 100 IQ average for the the remaining population, only 17% of geniuses (145+ IQ) would be Jewish.

If the average Jewish IQ is 108, which is probably also too high, the fraction of geniuses declines to 5%.

IQ should but does not explain the proportion of Jews in elite academia and other institutions.

Post: #78

(12-03-2018 10:28 PM)MidJack Wrote:  This is a common misconception. I ran the statistics on this in another thread.

Even if the average IQ of Jews in the United States was 115 (it's not) with 100 IQ average for the the remaining population, only 17% of geniuses (145+ IQ) would be Jewish.

If the average Jewish IQ is 108, which is probably also too high, the fraction of geniuses declines to 5%.

IQ should but does not explain the proportion of Jews in elite academia and other institutions.

Obviously not. A few ascended their way to the top of various industries. Some of these industries of course are highly influential & lucrative. They then used in-group favoritism to bring the rest of their crew up with them. Just how it goes.

Post: #79

I read somewhere that high jewish iqis becuse of German admixture.

Post: #80

It is actually funny to see jews boast about all the Nobel prizes. A short analysis shows they started getting them when they attended the Germany university system, at the time the world leading university system. It was an accolade to the German education system, Germans at the time outnumbered jewish nobel prize winners.

The same now, the jewish winners come from the US college system, it's merely an accolade of the current US universities.

The universities from Israel win practically no Nobel prizes. Despite being jewish.

Post: #81

(11-29-2018 04:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The truth: the Ivies have such huge endowments they can afford to massively discount tuition to students from non-wealthy backgrounds, and that is exactly what they do. See here: https://www.niche.com/blog/think-ivy-lea...you-think/

No Scorpion, that's not the truth.

The truth is that colleges like Harvard reduce the sticker cost tuition fees for only around half of the students. The tuition fees are astronomically high. Second highest in the world.

And the reason they have to discount sticker price tuition is precisely because tuition fees are extremely high.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...ca/569884/

And that's tuition fees. On top come all the living expenses.

Is it any wonder that 69% of Harvard students have parents who earn more than USD75000?

Is it therefore any wonder that there are more jews in ivy league schools? Not at all. Purely an economic question.

Tuition fees for Harvard are US$46,000, PER YEAR. Times that by three or four and your're looking to pay US$138,000 just for tuition fees.

Plus living expenses.

Even if the college discounts the fees to a certain percentage, the cost is still astronomical. As a simply comparison with other countries illustrates. See Atlantic article above.

Post: #82

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  It is actually funny to see jews boast about all the Nobel prizes. A short analysis shows they started getting them when they attended the Germany university system, at the time the world leading university system. It was an accolade to the German education system, Germans at the time outnumbered jewish nobel prize winners.

The same now, the jewish winners come from the US college system, it's merely an accolade of the current US universities.

The universities from Israel win practically no Nobel prizes. Despite being jewish.

Do you have a source for this please?

Post: #83

It's all publicly available, you can look here for a list of nobel prize winners and compare it to the list for jewish nobel prize winners. Take Physics for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Je..._laureates

From 1901 to 1914 there were 5 German Nobel Prize winners in Physics. Not a single one was Jewish. Some jews did get Nobel prizes in Chemistry before the first world war, but so did Germans. Overall there are more German nobel prize winners than Jews until the first and second world wars began to tear down the German university system.

Subsequent to world war two the number of German nobel prize winners falls dramatically. However jews simply moved to the US and other countries and continued to benefit from their excellent university systems. This explains the disproportionate number of jewish nobel prize winners.

They have consistently been wealthy enough to send their children to the best, most expensive, universities. It is a testament to economic power, not brain power. There is conclusive evidence that East Asians have the highest IQ, not Jews. Anyone who ends up in the prestigious universities' best posts has a chance of winning a Nobel prize. Due to economic reasons this has often been a jew, both past and present. It is the universities who produce the research, with their resources. The credit for the Nobel prizes really belongs to the institutions.

Post: #84

(11-26-2018 09:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  Black female gets into Harvard Law with a 142 LSAT (24 percentile) and a 2.76 GPA (Mostly D's and a few C's)
(Look at the green dot at the far left of the graph, hover over the dots for details)

On that same graph on the far right is some poor soul that got a 179 on the LSAT (99-100 percentile) with a 3.9 GPA got declined. That action is affirmative!

Maybe Malia Obama is going to Harvard Law this year...

This could arguably use its own thread, but I think it can be discussed within the context of this one:

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/30/tm-la...sed-fraud/

Quote: LOUISIANA SCHOOL FAMOUS FOR RAGS-TO-RICHES IVY LEAGUE ACCEPTANCES EXPOSED AS FRAUD

10:49 AM 11/30/2018 | EDUCATION
Virginia Kruta | Associate Editor

T.M. Landry College Preparatory School in Lousiana made headlines with a series of viral videos showing their students reacting to news that they’d been accepted to Ivy League Universities.

But a new report from The New York Times has exposed the dark underbelly of the school that once boasted “a 100-percent college acceptance rate.”

According to the report, transcripts were doctored and extracurricular activities were invented. Students were encouraged to lie about their family situations in order to make their successes appear even more dramatic. And students and teachers alike described a “culture of abuse” that was widespread.

T.M. Landry rocketed to the top of the news cycle in 2017 when a number of their college acceptance videos went viral. (RELATED: Harvard Dean Defends Race-Based Admissions On First Day Of Trial)

THE SCHOOL WAS PROFILED BY THE WASHINGTON POST.





“THE TODAY SHOW,” AS RECENTLY AS OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, RAN A SEGMENT TOUTING THE SCHOOL’S UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS.





BUT BENEATH THE SURFACE, ACCORDING TO THE NYT’S REPORT, THINGS WERE NOT SO SIMPLE:
The colleges “want to be able to get behind the black kids going off and succeeding, and going to all of these schools,” said Raymond Smith Jr., who graduated from T.M. Landry in 2017 and enrolled at NYU. He said that Mr. Landry forced him to exaggerate his father’s absence from his life on his NYU application.

“It’s a good look,” these colleges “getting these bright, high-flying, came-from-nothing-turned-into-something students,” Mr. Smith said.

Most students and teachers admitted in a series of interviews with The NYT that parts of transcripts had been exaggerated or even invented in order to make the students more appealing to prestigious universities. But even more disturbing were the allegations of abuse — both emotional and physical.

Students described being “forced to kneel on grains of rice, rocks and hot pavement,” and said that they were often yelled at by Landry himself.

Landry, who described himself as a “drill sergeant,” admitted that he yelled “a lot” and openly encouraged competition among students because “that is how the real world works.” He denied having students kneel in harsh conditions or for longer than five minutes.

One student, Tyler Sassau, refuted that point, saying Landry had forced him to kneel on a bathroom floor for two hours. “I wasn’t going to get up without asking him, because if I did, I could’ve got something worse. I could barely stand when I got up,” he said.

The students who went on to the Ivy Leagues from Landry since 2013 — when the school’s first class graduated — have had mixed success.

I wonder how long it'll be before the free market begins to sort this out. Graduates of elite schools who are visible minorities are likely already looked at with a tinge of suspicion (which honestly makes me feel sorry for anyone that legitimately earned their spot), now there are widespread scandals potentially involving hundreds of students per scandal. Once the corruption masquerading as tolerance gets unmasked by the mainstream that once fostered it (as is the case with the AZNs v. Harvard lawsuit) then free agents such as employers may be seen as justified in scrutinizing certain candidates.

Post: #85

(12-03-2018 09:37 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  The thing with Jews is that when it comes to academic/white collar professional achievement, they excel because they have evolved over centuries to be intellectually capable of handling mental stresses, especially in the Ivy League environment. They are high achievers because they want to be high achievers

However, the fallacy is that since they are Semites, they are clannish, and they will put the tribe first and only help other tribe members. Also, they have beta and womenesque behavior that just rubs people the wrong way, even though some Jews know better and contribute quite well to the Gentile societies that they inhabit. That desert thinking is still with them even though they have only been a cosmopolitan tribe for 2,000 years.

This is not a fallacy, however to argue that jews have evolved to be intellectually capable of handling mental stresses is
Countries like America, Canada, England, Australia etc are supposed to live in a society where meritocracy reigns, no its a society where nepotism and cronyism prevails when there is extreme wealth involved.
Jews have extreme wealth because they invested their talent to infiltrate/create lobby groups, financial institutions and media corporations that serve their interests
The universities in the states are merely examples of this

Post: #86

(12-04-2018 12:27 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  It is actually funny to see jews boast about all the Nobel prizes. A short analysis shows they started getting them when they attended the Germany university system, at the time the world leading university system. It was an accolade to the German education system, Germans at the time outnumbered jewish nobel prize winners.

The same now, the jewish winners come from the US college system, it's merely an accolade of the current US universities.

The universities from Israel win practically no Nobel prizes. Despite being jewish.

Do you have a source for this please?

Israeli nobel laureates since 1966 : 12

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_..._laureates

Jewish nobel laureates (since 1901 I believe) : 203. That would mean about 100 Jewish laureates since 1966.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_..._laureates

Post: #87

Twelve Nobel prizes over 52 years is practically nothing. Even if you factor in the per capita numbers, as Israel is a small country, Israelis have won very few Nobel prizes. Fewer than Faroe Islands, Saint Lucia, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, UK, Ireland and, wait for it, East Timor! The latter not exactly known to be a high IQ hotbed and consistently ranking low in IQ tables.

Which further illustrates that it is not IQ. It is economic reasons that lead to Nobel prizes or dominance in Ivy League schools. As for the 203 Jewish nobel laureates, it sounds a lot in absolute terms, however, the US has 375, the EU 481.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita

If you substract the Nobel Peace Prize and Literature, ie only count the true scientific prizes, Israel has only won 8 Nobel prizes.

Post: #88

This thread is missing the most important question: how slutty are Jewish girls from the Ivy Leagues? Do they put out on the 1st or 2nd date? ONS?

The Emily Stern from Harvard, Jennifer Goldberg from Yale or Marissa Stein from Brown -- open to interracial relationships with non-Jews, non-whites? How tight are they? Do they suck good dick?

Post: #89

(12-05-2018 04:56 PM)Bazzwaldo Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:37 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  The thing with Jews is that when it comes to academic/white collar professional achievement, they excel because they have evolved over centuries to be intellectually capable of handling mental stresses, especially in the Ivy League environment. They are high achievers because they want to be high achievers

However, the fallacy is that since they are Semites, they are clannish, and they will put the tribe first and only help other tribe members. Also, they have beta and womenesque behavior that just rubs people the wrong way, even though some Jews know better and contribute quite well to the Gentile societies that they inhabit. That desert thinking is still with them even though they have only been a cosmopolitan tribe for 2,000 years.

This is not a fallacy, however to argue that jews have evolved to be intellectually capable of handling mental stresses is
Countries like America, Canada, England, Australia etc are supposed to live in a society where meritocracy reigns, no its a society where nepotism and cronyism prevails when there is extreme wealth involved.
Jews have extreme wealth because they invested their talent to infiltrate/create lobby groups, financial institutions and media corporations that serve their interests
The universities in the states are merely examples of this

The reason why I brought up the Semitic genetic traits of the Jews is that they will always support their culture right or wrong. The Semite by nature always sees himself first, then the family, then the clan, then the tribe but outsiders will always be barbarians, even though when Jews are not secure, they have no qualms working with Gentiles. Jews can handle mental toughness because they are the ultimate survivors and handled almost anything thrown their way and to say that it is a fallacy that Jews are evolved to handle mental stress is not entirely accurate. They can handle mental stresses because their lifestyle was based on rigorous mental competition (and harnessing desert survival skills). They had to be because not only did they have to evolve to outwit Gentiles that want to kill them but also other Jews who plotted to exile them (which was almost like death to a Jew) or even kill them if they could not get the top positions that they wanted. When it comes to handling power, well, Jews are not really good at that because they default to their Semitic tendencies of abuse, paranoia, insecurity and constant shit-testing.

Post: #90

(12-09-2018 05:40 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  The reason why I brought up the Semitic genetic traits of the Jews is that they will always support their culture right or wrong. The Semite by nature always sees himself first, then the family, then the clan, then the tribe but outsiders will always be barbarians, even though when Jews are not secure, they have no qualms working with Gentiles.

Your genetic determinism argument is easily refuted by the existence of large numbers of Jews who do not tow the liberal, globalist, "Jewish" if you prefer, party line.

Now you might say, well in Islam all of the moderate muslims don't matter because the religion itself produces radicals. That's perfectly true. But Islam you join by choice. You can choose to be muslim or not be muslim (unless you live in a sharia law country).

But just because you have a Jewish surname or some distant Jewish relative doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to be a degenerate lefty like the sickening Jews of the Larry David variety who run Hollywood and the media. Nor does it mean you have any loyalty whatsoever to some vague cultural / religious / quasi-genetic amalgam.

In the 1930s when Hitler was coming to power there were 95 million Germans living in the world. Some 30 million lived outside of Germany, split into roughly two groups:

1. The ethnic Germans who were citizens of other countries (Volksdeutsche).

2. And the German citizens who lived outside of Germany (Reichsdeutsche).

When the Nazis came to power the overwhelming majority of Germans outside of Germany regarded Hitler and the Nazis as the evil doers they were. In fact, many of the most famous US generals were of German origin.

This was true even as German culture persisted very tenaciously in the enclaves where Germans settled in the US, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, and so forth. They preserved their religion, their language, their culture, their food. But there was certainly no determinism in their political ideology.

You have no choice to whom you're born but you can choose to use your mind and decide how to move through this world. There is no "Semite by nature", as you put it. Though it's been proven that we are NOT indeed tabulae rasae, nor are we NPCs doomed to degeneracy by some dubious strains of Jewish ancestry.

Not to mention that a huge proportion of Jews became so as a result of converting to Judaism and not through some irrevocable Semitic lineage.

This whole line of thinking just annoys the shit out of me because it indicates an intellectual laziness when it's so easy and tempting to paint a large, vaguely defined group with the same brush.

As to your point about the Jew thinking of himself first, then his family: who doesn't think this way?

Are you even remotely familiar with the philosophy of rational self interest and individualism upon which America was founded and in whose very defining documents that philosophy is enshrined? And the strong family values that pervaded the culture and religion of the colonists?

Everybody is interested first and foremost in himself. This is human nature and precisely why free market economics works. However, it's called rational self-interest for a reason: you're free to pursue your interests so long as you don't encroach on another man's freedom to pursue his.

This is the spirit of any just system of law. The golden rule of Greek origin, Hamurabi's code, you name it.

I wonder how many of the people posting in this thread have actually interacted and spent a large amount of time with Jews? I grew up in Philly and there are a lot of Jews there. Mostly of the stupid liberal variety. But there's a subset who freely dissociate themselves from that mindless majority, just as many Russians who emigrated to the US cleave themselves away from the bum Russians who sit around reminiscing about the good ol' Soviet days, and for the same exact reasons.

Post: #91

(12-10-2018 11:05 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I wonder how many of the people posting in this thread have actually interacted and spent a large amount of time with Jews? I grew up in Philly and there are a lot of Jews there. Mostly of the stupid liberal variety. But there's a subset who freely dissociate themselves from that mindless majority, just as many Russians who emigrated to the US cleave themselves away from the bum Russians who sit around reminiscing about the good ol' Soviet days, and for the same exact reasons.

I've known quite a few Jewish folks over the years & I get your point as well. Matter of fact I met a cool Russian Jew this summer who happened to be a Trump supporter, lol. So clearly he went against the grain. He immigrated to the USA in the early 90's.

I think what irks folks is that even the coolest Jew out there (take the guy I met for example as being a cool Jew) gets to tap into tribal advantages that many other folks are not privy to. Whether they are a liberal globohomo power Jew or salt of the earth / pro-Trump type of Jew, they all get to tap into certain tribal advantages, period.

Post: #92

(12-10-2018 11:05 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  But just because you have a Jewish surname or some distant Jewish relative doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to be a degenerate lefty like the sickening Jews of the Larry David variety who run Hollywood and the media. Nor does it mean you have any loyalty whatsoever to some vague cultural / religious / quasi-genetic amalgam.

That's the funny part. I once dated a Jewish girl who didn't find out her roots until later on in life. Other than a Jewish last name she had no connection to it, never attended a synagogue, and was fully assimilated into Amerian culture. BUT...she was a full-blown feminist, lefty, and involved in all sorts of political groups. Basically, everything you would expect. She was a great fuck, but that's another story.

My point is activism seems ingrained in the Jewish psyche. The leading Bolsheviks were hardly Jews either, in a religious sense, but their commitment and obsession is what brought them to power. I know this is anecdotal but it's been my experience.

Post: #93

(12-10-2018 04:14 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 11:05 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  But just because you have a Jewish surname or some distant Jewish relative doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to be a degenerate lefty like the sickening Jews of the Larry David variety who run Hollywood and the media. Nor does it mean you have any loyalty whatsoever to some vague cultural / religious / quasi-genetic amalgam.

That's the funny part. I once dated a Jewish girl who didn't find out her roots until later on in life. Other than a Jewish last name she had no connection to it, never attended a synagogue, and was fully assimilated into Amerian culture. BUT...she was a full-blown feminist, lefty, and involved in all sorts of political groups. Basically, everything you would expect. She was a great fuck, but that's another story.

My point is activism seems ingrained in the Jewish psyche. The leading Bolsheviks were hardly Jews either, in a religious sense, but their commitment and obsession is what brought them to power. I know this is anecdotal but it's been my experience.

I never met a white woman in the recent years who wasn't on the left spectrum. Still a lot of conservative women in East Asia though.

Post: #94

I don't hear of many Jews at MIT, CalTech or in any engineering/technical fields. They usually stick to banking/finance or liberal arts at the Ivies.

Post: #95

(12-13-2018 11:48 AM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  I don't hear of many Jews at MIT, CalTech or in any engineering/technical fields. They usually stick to banking/finance or liberal arts at the Ivies.

True. More Asians & Indians at those STEM schools (MIT, CalTech), but Jews are extremely well represented at the higher ranked law schools of this nation. They have a pretty decent showing in the medical schools as well (but much more of a split with Asians & Indians in the medical schools as opposed to those Big Law type programs).

And yeah you're right about banking / finance and liberal arts / economics type majors at the Ivy league schools & highly ranked Ivy wannabe schools outside of the Northeast.

Post: #96

(12-13-2018 12:16 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 11:48 AM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  I don't hear of many Jews at MIT, CalTech or in any engineering/technical fields. They usually stick to banking/finance or liberal arts at the Ivies.

True. More Asians & Indians at those STEM schools (MIT, CalTech), but Jews are extremely well represented at the higher ranked law schools of this nation. They have a pretty decent showing in the medical schools as well (but much more of a split with Asians & Indians in the medical schools as opposed to those Big Law type programs).

And yeah you're right about banking / finance and liberal arts / economics type majors at the Ivy league schools & highly ranked Ivy wannabe schools outside of the Northeast.

Yeah, Jews will for example study Biology at Duke and then go to Harvard Medical School or political science at Georgetown and Law School at Yale.

They have 'elite' access to any field of their choosing and a clear advantage over all groups in the states.

Post: #97

I have to say as a Jew myself this is all down to hard work and intelligence. There is no control as you speak of.

Post: #98

(12-13-2018 03:01 PM)SimonBMRC Wrote:  I have to say as a Jew myself this is all down to hard work and intelligence. There is no control as you speak of.

   

Post: #99

(12-13-2018 03:01 PM)SimonBMRC Wrote:  I have to say as a Jew myself this is all down to hard work and intelligence. There is no control as you speak of.

If this was 4chan, I'd ask for a timestamped picture of your circumsised trouser snake. Too many non-Jews act obnoxiously to drive antisemitism online.

Hard work may actually be a factor. It's far easier to motivate yourself to work hard when you know your connections won't leave you frustrated. The same goes for familial education support and enrolling in high tuition fee high reward courses as the investment is less likely to come to waste due to Jewish nepotism.
Chicken and egg, I know.

As for med school, Specialist MDs get much of their income from referals from other doctors. If Jews are more likely to refer to other Jewish doctors, then this is an unfair advantage and lowers the average standard of care people receive.

Post: #100

(11-26-2018 04:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This is based on a really extensive article by Ron Unz. Link here: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/...ritocracy/

The tl;dr is that Jews are absurdly over-represented in Ivy League administrative roles, with 7 out of the 8 Ivy League schools having Jewish presidents. All of the admissions staff are similarly very Jew-heavy. Thus it's no surprise that Jews are admitted more often than they would be normally. What is surprising is the manner in which this is camouflaged: the Universities do not publicly release statistics of their Jewish enrollment (Unz had to dig for that info mostly by recognizing Jewish surnames). But they do have statistics on their white enrollment. The scam is that the Universities pool Jews in with whites in their enrollment statistics. So the campus might be 50% "white" according to the official statistics, but half of those whites will actually be Jewish. So the school is actually 25% Jewish, while Jews are still just 2% of the population. This is a scam because even generously extending Jews an IQ advantage as a group, their relatively small population size means that the number of high IQ, Ivy-League qualified Jews would still be dwarfed by the number of similarly intelligent whites. And yet Jews are being given those Ivy League slots more than 10x more often than they should be, meaning they are filling up spots in the white "quota" that they don't deserve.

I highly recommend reading the whole article Scorpion linked, it breaks down the whole process. At first there was a lot of anti-Semitism at the Ivy's and elite schools, hard for Jews to get in. Post WWII, anti-semitism was less acceptable, Jewish Ivy enrollment rose to an 800% over representation compared to their US population (possibly completely merit based based on their focus on education and higher average IQ). When affirmative action hit, they took a hit along with everyone else. The only difference was that the ADL stepped up, protested it, and called it anti-semitism until admin caved. 800% over-representation became the standard (since that's what they got post WWII) so every time it dipped below 800% they were able to successfully lobby and protest. This allowed them the unique position of widely supporting Affirmative Action in colleges, and sitting it out at the same time. It also made them immune to competition by highly educated Asians attempting the same tactics to use higher education to get ahead.

If you're the only minority group emphasizing education that much to get ahead, 800% over representation is do-able. If you've got other groups following your foot steps doing the same thing in even larger numbers, 800% is no longer doable...without the social controls described above.