Post: #226

(11-13-2018 08:11 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 05:09 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 04:49 PM)corsega Wrote:  1. All of our social media and online presences are massively fronting. That is the entire point of this thread.

2. If you have a specific criticism to make, make it. Don't throw around the word "fraud" like it's supposed to mean something.

I mean to say he isn't actually banging all of those girls nor is he actually that rich nor does he actually have friends/connections, and it's pretty obvious to boot. To me why don't you actually have your social media reflect your actual life?

he isn't actually banging all of those girls

Does he claim to be?

nor is he actually that rich

Does he claim to be?

It sounds like you are making all of these claims based on the image his profile is putting off. Sounds like his Game is working on you.

nor does he actually have friends/connections

You don't think he has friends/connections? Like, zero? Or can you clarify on the amount of friends/connections you think he has?

why don't you actually have your social media reflect your actual life?

Because we are not in this thread to discuss the truth.

The truth doesn't get you laid.

This is a forum about GAME.

Honestly I probably have taken it too off topic. However I'm a bit triggered by CMQ, ha. Mainly because he is an actual fraud.

With regards to his insta, the problem is as Krauser would say his "flat affect". In his pictures he doesn't seem to have personality and seems soulless and jaded. What kind of life is that? My life comparatively is in shambles and I am significantly happier than he appears. Sure there's an argument you want to appear "hard" but can't you at least appear like you're enjoying yourself? If my lifestyle was like his I would be on top of the world. He looks really depressed. It just doesn't seem congruent.

Though you guys are the Instagram/social media people, I'm clearly out of my depth with experience here. I'm just dropping what I think.

Post: #227

I took some time to look at quality Instagram accounts of people I knew growing up who have the 1k+ followers and high engagement rates and lately I've come away with a verdict.

Social media in many ways is reflective of your real life value as defined by society, Instagram in particular. As controversial as it sounds, it is true. If you think about the people that usually have the kind of success on Instagram that cannot be faked as much they are hot girl of all kinds (from fitness chicks to models to sorority girls), celebrities, and overall influential people.

We might have to swallow our ego to admit it but some people just have a higher social value that is hard to fake and at least on the outside, live better lives. They travel to fancier places, have more friends to travel with, have more interesting weekends, party more and actually have something worth following. Society gives more of a fuck about what is going on in the life of some hot girl than it does most men, her life is more valuable as cold as it sounds.

A lot of us cope by saying that it is all fake or that social media is an evil but I think its because we're too scared to admit this fact. It makes us burn on the inside when we see a guy living the life when really, we should be taking that as a hint that because it is making us envious or provoking a negative reaction out of us, we have work on our own lives that needs to be done. Even if we have no social media aspirations of our own, the fact that social media makes us so angry is a hint that something needs to be fixed in our lives.

So the root question that has to be answered for any guy is how to live a life or create a life, outside of being a celeb that makes people give a fuck about you because we all to some extent give a fuck about how others see us. Social media usually does correlate to some degree with real life, we just don't want to admit it.

Post: #228

(11-14-2018 11:22 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I took some time to look at quality Instagram accounts of people I knew growing up who have the 1k+ followers and high engagement rates and lately I've come away with a verdict.

Social media in many ways is reflective of your real life value as defined by society, Instagram in particular. As controversial as it sounds, it is true. If you think about the people that usually have the kind of success on Instagram that cannot be faked as much they are hot girl of all kinds (from fitness chicks to models to sorority girls), celebrities, and overall influential people.

We might have to swallow our ego to admit it but some people just have a higher social value that is hard to fake and at least on the outside, live better lives. They travel to fancier places, have more friends to travel with, have more interesting weekends, party more and actually have something worth following. Society gives more of a fuck about what is going on in the life of some hot girl than it does most men, her life is more valuable as cold as it sounds.

A lot of us cope by saying that it is all fake or that social media is an evil but I think its because we're too scared to admit this fact. It makes us burn on the inside when we see a guy living the life when really, we should be taking that as a hint that because it is making us envious or provoking a negative reaction out of us, we have work on our own lives that needs to be done. Even if we have no social media aspirations of our own, the fact that social media makes us so angry is a hint that something needs to be fixed in our lives.

So the root question that has to be answered for any guy is how to live a life or create a life, outside of being a celeb that makes people give a fuck about you because we all to some extent give a fuck about how others see us. Social media usually does correlate to some degree with real life, we just don't want to admit it.

I see where you're coming from, I truly do.

I think there's some truth in what you say.

But overall, I very much disagree. I was about to write a whole long reply on why, but I think this meme sums it up:



I have met some of these girls and guys that appear to be living amazing lives on Instagram. Many of them aren't. They aren't happier than you or I. In many cases, they aren't happy at all. They aren't spiritually fulfilled. They haven't taken time to evaluate their morals and beliefs. Many of them use social media as an escape from the absolute banality of their lives.

It is a mistake to glorify these people. Trust me.

Post: #229

“Oh that’s a throwback”

Usual response from IG frauds I message.

Meanwhile I do more interesting shit in one day than their entire feed. Difference is I don’t take stupid pictures of food and beds. Who cares? Dumb.

I deduct 20 IQ points when I see that. These tarts actually think it is going to impress a 1% guy. Uh no. The opposite actually. Idiot.

99% of people are losers. Get used to that. Are you in the 1% physically or intellectually?

I guess there are ther niches you can shoot for. IMHO the political/celeb 1% is a trap. They can’t really do what they want. Hey get humiliated for the slightest fuckup. Their lifestyle may make up for it in other ways. I wouldn’t want it.

The only value these IG girls have is a good fuck. And they’re so much effort. The Saudi poop sheiks and Nigerian oil tycoons can have them. I’m happy to impress third world 7s with little effort. My cock gets hard enough to shoot a load.

Post: #230

(11-15-2018 02:02 AM)Ten Feet Tall Right Now Wrote:  “Oh that’s a throwback”

Usual response from IG frauds I message.

...what?

Post: #231

Throwback = Some trip she took ages ago but posts and reposts like it was yesterday. Because she’s actually a loser who doesn’t really do much with her life. Throwbacks are often just her looking pretty and dressed up doing nothing at home. The pic is old. It’s bullshit. Might as well be flipping same page in grandmas photo album. You’re being played sucka.

Post: #232

As someone who has spent time with the crowds defined as high and low value by society that there is a big gap in fulfillment and happiness. We are quick to judge the popular party girl or some socially well connected guy because they don't decide to read certain books or question everything going on in society. The reality is when you have it all and are socially desired, you don't need to worry about that sort of stuff that much. You don't need to start wondering about the moral decline of society or gender relations that much when you are having threesomes with models involved.

These people are significantly happier than the guy who decides to spend hours on the internet trying to figure out the meaning of society, reads countless books and shuts himself off socially. Most of these people are happier than the guys who are a part of some of the more outcast groups of society.

At our very core, as harsh as it sounds, we crave things like validation, money, sex and certain adrenaline rushes that life offers. Even the people who speak out against validation are going to be make posts on the internet trying to win approval and followers.

We'll just agree to disagree but I have never been one for the spiritual fulfillment nonsense, I have always found it to be a major cope to deal with the fact that someone isn't socially desired by others.

Post: #233

^ I see what you're saying, but you're all over the place in this post. There's a lot of points in there that aren't necessarily related.

Validation... of course most people crave it, but while validation can come from a variety of outside sources, at the end of the day, what matters is how you feel on the inside. Doesn't matter how socially accepted you are if you don't feel happy, right? Would you prefer to have strong game to where you can walk into a new city and meet/fuck attractive women within an hour with high probability but have no social media, or to have 30,000 ig followers with 3,000 likes/pic but without the skill to pull the women that YOU actually want to fuck (ie: not the occasional 6 who slides into your DM)?

As for the IG hotties who have thousands of followers and 100 new DMs a day, they aren't all happy either. Despite what the feminists say, women (especially after ~25 or so) don't derive happiness from fucking random dudes, they derive happiness from locking down a high-value guy and eventually having kids. Because of all of the attention they get on IG, they set their standards as high as possible (billionaire HF manager, athlete, celeb), and can become miserable when they can't get him. Attractive chicks with good bodies and social media are dime a dozen compared to the number of true high-value men that these girls think they're entitled to.

I happen to live in what is probably the most social media obsessed city in the world, so I know a good number of attractive girls with big social media followers. Some are happy, some are in the middle, and some are the most anxious, miserable people I've ever met.

One girl I know has 40k followers, gets paid several hundred dollars per post from [insert basic bitch fitness company here], yet literally needs to do 5 lines of blow just to walk into a bar because her social anxiety is so bad. But hey, she's got 50 dudes/day telling her "baby you're so fine" on IG, so she must be happy, right?

I'll clarify that I don't expect you (or anybody else here) to have sympathy for these chicks. I'm just illustrating the point that not all of them are happy. I can say this for a fact, this is just one example.

Social media is a means to an end. Let's not lose sight of that. I 100% support people building their IG presence to help bang chicks and have written about it multiple times, but the goal shouldn't be to build a social media just for fun. The goal is to use it as a path to meeting more/better women, helping tighten up your social circle, or whatever else you want that will make you happy.

Post: #234

(11-15-2018 11:48 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  We'll just agree to disagree but I have never been one for the spiritual fulfillment nonsense, I have always found it to be a major cope to deal with the fact that someone isn't socially desired by others.

Per Aumann's agreement theorem, two rational people can never agree to disagree.

However, in the interests of space and time, I can only hope that you will take some time to examine your own morals, ethics, and values. Best place to start is with some psylocybin and a walk in the woods.

Post: #235

Love that meme corsega. Even though the subtle shade on me

Post: #236

I don't know how you guys can game girls on IG....the attention whoring made me sick after a few days and I unfollowed all those bitches

Post: #237

(11-15-2018 03:49 PM)Soy Jooce Wrote:  I don't know how you guys can game girls on IG....the attention whoring made me sick after a few days and I unfollowed all those bitches

Don't look at your feed. Just use the messaging.

Wish there was some app to block the feed automatically, á la the Facebook News Feed Eradicator extension for Chrome, but for now, willpower will have to do.

Post: #238

(11-15-2018 01:30 AM)corsega Wrote:  

I have met some of these girls and guys that appear to be living amazing lives on Instagram. Many of them aren't. They aren't happier than you or I. In many cases, they aren't happy at all. They aren't spiritually fulfilled. They haven't taken time to evaluate their morals and beliefs. Many of them use social media as an escape from the absolute banality of their lives.

+100! That meme was me.

A while ago I met this Central american influencer with thousands of followers that I went out with (wrote a post about it too). She was the fucking most dull and most boring woman I've ever been out on a date with, which says a lot. After that I met two girls with semi big Instagram and it was pretty much the same thing. I can't look at these girls in the same way now, seeing a bunch of narcissistic photos is a real turnoff for me nowadays.

I now stick with an EE girl who hates all this and likes to make fun of girls and guys seeking validation on this app. I didn't think hot girls that hated social media even existed but turns out they do, most her friends hate it and find it pointless too.

Post: #239

Just for fun I'm trying out the "female only" and local hashtags and location settings on GMT to see if following and liking local girls pictures nets any followbacks or DMs.

Post: #240

(11-15-2018 01:16 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ I see what you're saying, but you're all over the place in this post. There's a lot of points in there that aren't necessarily related.

Validation... of course most people crave it, but while validation can come from a variety of outside sources, at the end of the day, what matters is how you feel on the inside. Doesn't matter how socially accepted you are if you don't feel happy, right? Would you prefer to have strong game to where you can walk into a new city and meet/fuck attractive women within an hour with high probability but have no social media, or to have 30,000 ig followers with 3,000 likes/pic but without the skill to pull the women that YOU actually want to fuck (ie: not the occasional 6 who slides into your DM)?

As for the IG hotties who have thousands of followers and 100 new DMs a day, they aren't all happy either. Despite what the feminists say, women (especially after ~25 or so) don't derive happiness from fucking random dudes, they derive happiness from locking down a high-value guy and eventually having kids. Because of all of the attention they get on IG, they set their standards as high as possible (billionaire HF manager, athlete, celeb), and can become miserable when they can't get him. Attractive chicks with good bodies and social media are dime a dozen compared to the number of true high-value men that these girls think they're entitled to.

I happen to live in what is probably the most social media obsessed city in the world, so I know a good number of attractive girls with big social media followers. Some are happy, some are in the middle, and some are the most anxious, miserable people I've ever met.

One girl I know has 40k followers, gets paid several hundred dollars per post from [insert basic bitch fitness company here], yet literally needs to do 5 lines of blow just to walk into a bar because her social anxiety is so bad. But hey, she's got 50 dudes/day telling her "baby you're so fine" on IG, so she must be happy, right?

I'll clarify that I don't expect you (or anybody else here) to have sympathy for these chicks. I'm just illustrating the point that not all of them are happy. I can say this for a fact, this is just one example.

Social media is a means to an end. Let's not lose sight of that. I 100% support people building their IG presence to help bang chicks and have written about it multiple times, but the goal shouldn't be to build a social media just for fun. The goal is to use it as a path to meeting more/better women, helping tighten up your social circle, or whatever else you want that will make you happy.

You are using extreme examples, if you use examples like that then we all know depressed millionaires and beautiful people who are sad. All else being equal, being rich is better than being poor and being good looking is better than being ugly. In context to this thread, having social status, admiration and validation is better than being a social outcast.

We can all make up examples of the fat millionaire and compare him to a shredded handsome guy making average salary but that shredded guy would probably still be happy with more money in his pocket.

I will say right now that those women you referenced are probably far better off mentally than some incel or average guy who is ignored by society, they're not coping with it either. For every high status person you meet who might be miserable, there are incels and social outcasts who are far more miserable than they are.

We judge a lot of these people as faking it but I will say that the majority of these people are living awesome lives and just happen to put it on social media. The problems they have are first world problems compared to the problems of an incel or some lower status guy who could get run by a truck tomorrow and no one would even remember him.

Social media should not be used to just meet and fuck women, I would argue that dating apps and even in-person are far better options there. What social media's purpose is for people who meet you to see that you are a guy who has a life, you actually exist and that your life is one to be a part of. Social media is for those moments you have had a great time or a great night, to keep them on a page so when you get old, wrinkly and look back you have some great moments to look back to. Social media's purpose is to connect you to the world, build social proof, show your lifestyle to the world and as an added benefit help you get women.

Post: #241

(11-15-2018 10:11 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  You are using extreme examples, if you use examples like that then we all know depressed millionaires and beautiful people who are sad. All else being equal, being rich is better than being poor and being good looking is better than being ugly. In context to this thread, having social status, admiration and validation is better than being a social outcast.

We can all make up examples of the fat millionaire and compare him to a shredded handsome guy making average salary but that shredded guy would probably still be happy with more money in his pocket.

I will say right now that those women you referenced are probably far better off mentally than some incel or average guy who is ignored by society, they're not coping with it either. For every high status person you meet who might be miserable, there are incels and social outcasts who are far more miserable than they are.

Nope, these aren't extreme examples. I can give you a half dozen other chicks of a similar profile. It's just unnecessary and in poor taste to spam a forum with stories of people who I know personally. If you don't believe me, then so be it.

Not sure why you're making a comparison to incels. I can also say that a quadraplegic who got wrecked in a car accident and will eat every meal through a straw going forward is even more miserable than an incel, but why does that matter in this conversation?

My point was that there are plenty of people with big social media followings that are unhappy, and I have anecdotal evidence to support this. And FWIW, just because you have a big social media following doesn't mean you actually have a lot of friends (though I will agree that there is a correlation).

(11-15-2018 10:11 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  We judge a lot of these people as faking it but I will say that the majority of these people are living awesome lives and just happen to put it on social media. The problems they have are first world problems compared to the problems of an incel or some lower status guy who could get run by a truck tomorrow and no one would even remember him.

I never said these people are all faking it. For the most part, people aren't blatantly lying on IG (though yes, some obviously are).

But, let's be real here. Instagram is a CRAFTED and BIASED look into somebody's life, and it is reasonably easy to build it where you portray your life as being "perfect". Notice you don't typically see these chicks posting them crying about the death of a parent/friend, showing pics of them in the hospital with pneumonia, or crying when they found out that their family home burned down in a fire.

I used to also think that all of these chicks have perfect lives, while all the rest of us have to suffer like plebians. But then I met some of them. And I've learned that they shit like the rest of us, and have problems like the rest of us. And when they truly have a problem, they go back to their closest friends and family for support (like the rest of us would), and could give a fuck about their follower count.

(11-15-2018 10:11 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Social media should not be used to just meet and fuck women, I would argue that dating apps and even in-person are far better options there. What social media's purpose is for people who meet you to see that you are a guy who has a life, you actually exist and that your life is one to be a part of. Social media is for those moments you have had a great time or a great night, to keep them on a page so when you get old, wrinkly and look back you have some great moments to look back to. Social media's purpose is to connect you to the world, build social proof, show your lifestyle to the world and as an added benefit help you get women.

I actually agree with most of this, but I felt I made this clear in my post when I said that social media is a means to an end. That end can be whatever you want it to be, whether it is to sleep with women, to show people that you have a life, to connect with friends, or to keep memories. But your follower count, or the number of likes you get per pic, isn't what matters, that's for sure.

Post: #242

A beer is enough makes solid points.

Online reputation does not mean someone is succesfull or fulfilled.

Take this forum where there is a clear hierarchy and a reputation system. I have met guys with very few reps who absolutely slay with women. And the other way around..

Post: #243

RDF I am not saying these any of these people live a perfect life, they have their struggles just like anyone else out there. As for the whole "CRAFTED and BIASED" look that people portray on Instagram, I feel like that is life in general whether game is involved or not. Most people do not go around wearing their weaknesses on their sleeve, everyone is generally trying to put their best foot forward in a lot of interactions. When you apply for a job and hand in your resume, you are not listing out the many times you fucked up at your previous job. When you approach a girl, you're not telling her all of your weaknesses A to Z.

That's the modern reality whether game is involved or not, you have to put your best foot forward. Everyone has a lot of wrecks going on in their lives that they handle behind closed doors but whether game is involved or not, you have to present your best version of yourself to the world to really get anywhere these days. I feel like even back in the day we did the same thing with wealth and buying the best things while having the problems we had.

I agree with you in saying that these girls and Instagram stars have their problem in the same way that I believe that wealthy, good looking and/or socially well connected people have theirs. My point was that it is better to be wealthy than not be wealthy, good looking than to be ugly and in this situation to have a quality IG account than to either not have one or have a repulsive one.

Just like it is generally better to have wealth, good looks, and social charisma ("game"), I believe that it is better to have a quality Instagram account whether for game purposes or not.

Your follower count and likes per pic do matter in terms of the perception you give off and perception matters a lot in society.

Post: #244

Just in case you have an acct with fake IG followers...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-instag...e-removed/

Post: #245

(11-20-2018 01:04 PM)lunchmoney Wrote:  Just in case you have an acct with fake IG followers...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-instag...e-removed/

I was just about to ask how you get fake IG followers (follow liker costs money and i want something for free lol)

Post: #246

^ People need to stop calling the results of automation (FollowLiker, Instantical, etc) "fake followers". The followers you get are not fake accounts. They are real people that follow you. These apps just automate the process of getting them. "Fake followers" are accounts that are created for the sole purpose of following others, and not only is it extremely obvious, but IG has made this far more difficult to do (and now it looks like they're making automation harder to do also).

If you want to do it for free, then just manually do exactly what the apps do. That is, hit up hashtags that you want to source people from, like people's pics, follow them, hope they follow you back, and then unfollow them after some time after to balance out your ratio. It will be a royal pain in the ass to do it manually, but it can be done if you so desire.

I wouldn't really trust a free app for something like this. Remember, you are giving them your login and password. If you're not paying them, what incentive do they have to not jack your account and bounce?

Post: #247

(11-20-2018 06:21 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ People need to stop calling the results of automation (FollowLiker, Instantical, etc) "fake followers". The followers you get are not fake accounts. They are real people that follow you. These apps just automate the process of getting them. "Fake followers" are accounts that are created for the sole purpose of following others, and not only is it extremely obvious, but IG has made this far more difficult to do (and now it looks like they're making automation harder to do also).

If you want to do it for free, then just manually do exactly what the apps do. That is, hit up hashtags that you want to source people from, like people's pics, follow them, hope they follow you back, and then unfollow them after some time after to balance out your ratio. It will be a royal pain in the ass to do it manually, but it can be done if you so desire.

I wouldn't really trust a free app for something like this. Remember, you are giving them your login and password. If you're not paying them, what incentive do they have to not jack your account and bounce?

Its too much hard work. Facebook and Instagram game are too difficult for me.

Post: #248

Prior to me automating likes, follows, and story viewing- I actually got a temp ban on manually liking too much stuff. On the automation side, you need to follow/unfollow hundreds of people, like a thousand plus pics a day and comment in the 600-950 range- even then I was having a difficult time keeping followers and growing at any kind of significant pace.
(I cull dude followers and non hottie followers, so their is that)

Hashtags Suck
Have a biz account that is personal so I get metrics on impressions and such. Getting an average of 1-5% coming from hash, occasionally I get up to 10-20% from a post- this is with a full 30 tags, with smaller post counts and how this converts to followers- I don't know- they don't have those kind of metrics available.
Feel that it's all very rigged and tilted towards chicks showing phat ass and brown guy thirst.

Its basically insane to think that hitting instagram's 450-550 likes a day cap can contribute anything meaningfully to your follower base.

Recently my pixel downloaded an app "Digital wellbeing"- it can cut off and track how much time you spend on apps- I set it for 1 hour, I felt I barely touched insta that day and after dinner it was showing close to 1 hour. SO who knows how much time I had wasted on this prior.

With the crackdowns and the time spent, am thinking that a hour or two a day can be better spent improving my life in other ways. #blessed

Post: #249

(11-21-2018 01:19 PM)wp960 Wrote:  Prior to me automating likes, follows, and story viewing- I actually got a temp ban on manually liking too much stuff. On the automation side, you need to follow/unfollow hundreds of people, like a thousand plus pics a day and comment in the 600-950 range- even then I was having a difficult time keeping followers and growing at any kind of significant pace.
(I cull dude followers and non hottie followers, so their is that)

Hashtags Suck
Have a biz account that is personal so I get metrics on impressions and such. Getting an average of 1-5% coming from hash, occasionally I get up to 10-20% from a post- this is with a full 30 tags, with smaller post counts and how this converts to followers- I don't know- they don't have those kind of metrics available.
Feel that it's all very rigged and tilted towards chicks showing phat ass and brown guy thirst.

Its basically insane to think that hitting instagram's 450-550 likes a day cap can contribute anything meaningfully to your follower base.

Recently my pixel downloaded an app "Digital wellbeing"- it can cut off and track how much time you spend on apps- I set it for 1 hour, I felt I barely touched insta that day and after dinner it was showing close to 1 hour. SO who knows how much time I had wasted on this prior.

With the crackdowns and the time spent, am thinking that a hour or two a day can be better spent improving my life in other ways. #blessed

Agreed that hashtags are overrated. They used to be important, now it almost looks low value to use a bunch of them.

It's hard to get hot girls to follow you no matter what you do. I don't cull followers in any way.

Post: #250

0 bangs, the conclusion of post #1.

One dude said he banged a hot German girl, and later claimed he had 850 real life friends.

If you are banging or earning more than minimum wage from this, then ok.

It sounds like the dudes that are already banging and/or earning can use this as a supplement. For everyone else it sound like you are following hashtag instagay as fuck.