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(10-11-2018 12:33 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  I was raised in London and have spent 80% of my life there. Currently I have moved away for half of the year and damn I feel happy even though I could probably get laid easier in London than where I currently am. Whilst I do enjoy some aspects of London it's true, it has one of the most fucked up cultures in the universe in many different ways. I am young as hell but I have been to many places all around the world, I don't miss London, although it is always part of my identity. I am going to try and continue living in any other place but London for all my life now, unless I was super rich.

I had the pleasure of experiencing London back in the late 80s and it was bloody awesome. Today... not so much.... you couldn't pay me enough to visit.

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(10-11-2018 12:41 PM)redpillage Wrote:  
(10-11-2018 12:33 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  I was raised in London and have spent 80% of my life there. Currently I have moved away for half of the year and damn I feel happy even though I could probably get laid easier in London than where I currently am. Whilst I do enjoy some aspects of London it's true, it has one of the most fucked up cultures in the universe in many different ways. I am young as hell but I have been to many places all around the world, I don't miss London, although it is always part of my identity. I am going to try and continue living in any other place but London for all my life now, unless I was super rich.

I had the pleasure of experiencing London back in the late 80s and it was bloody awesome. Today... not so much.... you couldn't pay me enough to visit.

I visited London starting in the late 1980s as a kid, then 1990s still being fine - for some reason I was always asked for directions by tourists, then my subsequent visits became ever more strange and odd since it stopped being a specifically British city and culture. I traveled the countryside extensively over the years - Britain is still alive there with many locals leaving especially in their later years. The TV program Escape to the Country:

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That show exemplifies what is going on as some young couples move out with little children - the husband preferring to drive 1.5 hours one day (3 hours daily) by train/car in order to avoid the diversity. I think I saw once a British Indian couple and occasionally some mixed ones, but it's mostly Europeans leaving their enriched towns. Some even explicitly ask for "safety" when they have young kids who go to the local school.

That is how those big cities turn into multi-ethnic multi-cultural multi-religious favela/enriched Brazilian utopia - just with far more Muslims.

Back in the day and even a few years ago I was barely aware of the importance of demographics, but cultures don't exist in a vacuum. There is no Britain with a 30% British people living in it.

And London is the vanguard of it even if the core of the city will remain European due to pricing the diversity out. It will likely be the same with Paris and many others. Maybe the globalists will later enact entry zones where only the wealthiest will have access to center London while the rest can battle it out with the diversity.

And as Mikestar put it - if you have great financial means, then London is still great to live in. I agree with him on that - the same being true for Paris - just don't expect to be strolling around the city willy-nilly like in the 1990s.
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Most of the people working in the financial institutions i worked in during my time in London lived in Essex, Surrey or Kent. They travelled for 1-2.5 hours a day to work and then the same back home. There's a reason for it beyond financial (which i'm sure someone will say is the main reason)

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(10-11-2018 06:51 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Most of the people working in the financial institutions i worked in during my time in London lived in Essex, Surrey or Kent. They travelled for 1-2.5 hours a day to work and then the same back home. There's a reason for it beyond financial (which i'm sure someone will say is the main reason)

What's your opinion on Croydon?

I was offered a job position a few years back in Croydon.
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(10-11-2018 12:23 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ...
What exactly have you done, though? You're not even an American for fucks sake.
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You're not an American in any way that really matters.

Just another rootless cosmopolitan global citizen.

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I lived in London for a year and a half, back in the early noughties.
I was in NW London for a while, then in East London.
While I greatly enjoyed all the good things a world city like London has to offer, I found that living in London day to day gradually sucked the life our of me, partly due to a long work commute on very crowded tubes and buses but also due to a number of other aspects, the immense cost of renting and living in the city, the threat of being mugged or worse, particularly in the more diverse parts of the city (I was almost mugged once in Wimbledon but managed to shake off my scrawny young Pakistani/Bangladeshi attacker), and just the sheer atomising effect of being a random anonymous person among 10 million people in a massive city where almost nobody knows you.
When you're from a country with such a small population as Ireland, it's pretty much 3 degrees of separation, rather than 6 (although that is changing nowadays with the socially engineered mass immigration into my country).
In London, with it's insanely diverse population, you feel even more like a random irrelevant speck of sand on a vast beach.
It's just not healthy to be in that environment for more than a few years I think.
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I remember, a few years back, talking to a very well travelled, well educated Ukrainian woman, over in Germany. Commenting on her current situation, she said that you could be in a big city, surrounded by people, and yet be completely alone.
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(10-12-2018 05:51 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-11-2018 06:51 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Most of the people working in the financial institutions i worked in during my time in London lived in Essex, Surrey or Kent. They travelled for 1-2.5 hours a day to work and then the same back home. There's a reason for it beyond financial (which i'm sure someone will say is the main reason)

What's your opinion on Croydon?

I was offered a job position a few years back in Croydon.

I worked there. Utter hell hole at night, not dreadful during the day. These days it's black gang central apparently.

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(10-12-2018 02:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  
(10-12-2018 05:51 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-11-2018 06:51 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Most of the people working in the financial institutions i worked in during my time in London lived in Essex, Surrey or Kent. They travelled for 1-2.5 hours a day to work and then the same back home. There's a reason for it beyond financial (which i'm sure someone will say is the main reason)

What's your opinion on Croydon?

I was offered a job position a few years back in Croydon.

I worked there. Utter hell hole at night, not dreadful during the day. These days it's black gang central apparently.

Looked more like Afghanistan when I was there, lots of burkas. Not what I had in mind when thinking "London professional lifestyle" at all. I was told by employees there, that they up to an hour away.
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Croydon is very bad. Just search ‘Croydon riots’ on YouTube to see what I mean. And this was back in 2011. I grew up near there but went back after a long while earlier this year. Men with balaclavas on walking around the high street and hoods up like it’s normal. They have some new developments but doesn’t make much of a difference. I know a police officer based from there and they’re getting at least 1-2 stabbings everyday there.
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(10-12-2018 02:13 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-12-2018 02:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  
(10-12-2018 05:51 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-11-2018 06:51 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Most of the people working in the financial institutions i worked in during my time in London lived in Essex, Surrey or Kent. They travelled for 1-2.5 hours a day to work and then the same back home. There's a reason for it beyond financial (which i'm sure someone will say is the main reason)

What's your opinion on Croydon?

I was offered a job position a few years back in Croydon.

I worked there. Utter hell hole at night, not dreadful during the day. These days it's black gang central apparently.

Looked more like Afghanistan when I was there, lots of burkas. Not what I had in mind when thinking "London professional lifestyle" at all. I was told by employees there, that they up to an hour away.

These days are there any safe, comfortable estate areas (with some room to breathe) that are maybe just a commuter rail ride away from the city centre of London? Not that I'm planning on moving there any time really, but just curious. I'm staying put in America and will only visit Europe at best.
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Lived in London many many years. Go back to visit now and again. Less so these days.

I lived just outside Croydon for a few years at the end of my stay there. I suppose you could call it the Darkness on the edge of town.

In Croydon, no one is innocent.

Blacks hate whites. Blacks hate Indians. Blacks hate themselves. Whites hate blacks, hate Indians, hate themselves. Muslims hate everyone who isn't muslim. Everyone who isn't muslim hates them. You get the picture.

It's a current here-right-now dystopia. Teedub called it a hell-hole. Funny, he took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to call it 'hell-on-earth'.

If ever you need any proof that multiculturalism has failed, Croydon is yer man! It didn't have to be this way. But it is.

They say the British are xenophobic. It's true to an extent. But who exactly are these xenophobes? Well, they aren't just the whites, they are the blacks, the indians, the muslims. No one gets a pass here. We don't even just hate other nations. We hate ourselves. We hate what we have become.

Each tribe or group would gladly wipe every other tribe and group off the face of this particular corner of earth. Just to get some sanity if nothing else. You won't find sanity in Croydon. Or many other places/towns like it in/around London. It's over.

It's not going away. It's not getting better.

It deteriorates more from here to southside Chicago levels. It descends further in to Dystopia. It's a given. It can't be stopped. The momentum is too great. There are no brakes on this train.

But no, it really didn't need to be like this. But it is.

Here we are in the 21st Century. The [current] Century.

We could have built beautiful buildings with beautiful architecture. Wonderful places to work, to relax, to share space, to gather, give thanks and praise, to dance, to eat, drink and be merry.

What is this natural law that prevents this? There is no physical or cosmological constraint or law of the universe that says that this couldn't happen. Why didn't it happen?

When I say natural law, I don't mean like the speed of light in a vacuum which is a constant, nor any other law of the universe, but more a law of man.

We just aren't ready yet to make this leap. We've all been chucked together in to that big old fabled melting pot and we are drowning, not waving as we go down, slowly cooked alive like the metaphorical frogs.

Then again, you can get a killer kebab on the high street! By 'killer kebab' I mean, well, you probably know what I mean...

Too many disparate cultures, too many thousands of years of disparate 'religions', too many people. Too many people without a vision. Too many people without love and compassion in their hearts. Too much vitriol, too much bile. Too much acid being throw to prove you are 'Tougher than the rest'. (Second Springsteen song reference for those that don't know. I'll try and lever in an another one before I STFU)

Croydon is not a war torn region. There are no deadly diseases or pestilence that I know of. It's got some great hospitals with top surgeons from all over the world working there. I know one personally. Great place to get your eye carved out of your head on a night out. I know a man that can put you back together again. Can't ask for more than that in a civilized country. All free too on the NHS.

Croydon is not suffering from starvation or lack of food. Look at the land-planets and ham-beasts that roam the wilderness there. Sure, some kids might be living in poverty, and they might even have a bit of malnutrition because of it, but generally speaking, lack of food and sustenance is not the reason why Croydon is a top-class shit-hole.

So why is it such a world-class shit-hole?

Simples. The people!

Angry, spiteful, narrow minded, short sighted, malcontented people. They are everywhere in London. They are the majority. Hard to blame them in a way.

London is a lonely place at the lower rungs of the pecking order. It's lonely at the top too. Everyone wanting to know you because of 'who you are', not for the 'person you are' if you get me? Phony people licking your arse, saying all the right things. You don't have to go far up the ladder to get this treatment, just a rung or two up from everyone else is enough. Must be really lonely at the very top.

It really is very lonely at the very bottom as well.

It's a game of survival for most. Those out of work, those in work. There is no social cohesion. There really is just no vision at all of what a successfully functioning society should look like there. Don't look to the government or the local councils to provide that for you. They are part of the problem, not the solution. Newsflash!

You can blame the government all you like, but when will the people on the ground there start taking responsibility? Learning to love and cherish their fellow man, not just tolerate him?

They just can't break the programming. I understand.

Isn't multiculturalism grand?

So what is this 'natural' law that prevents it being more of a utopia than a dystopia? What is this invisible force?

Yup, good ol' fashioned human nature. Bigotry, racism, sexism, ageism, 'classism' etc. etc. etc.

It's who we are. This is the bed we lie in because we made it for ourselves. This is what we want to be. This is what we have chosen for ourselves, and others, and our children.

Look what man has had to overcome to reach this stage of human evolution. Crawling out of swamps, hiding up in trees, holding out in caves. Disease, starvation, infant mortality, no medical care or concept of medicine, tribal internecine warfare and petty squabbling.

And here we are. In the promised land. (Didn't see that one coming ;-)).

All we have is each other. As a society, as a community. As a country. As a continent. A world. We have our families (some of us), we have our tribes. We have our little under-currents of being that carry us safely with the flow. But we do not love enough. It just isn't in us. Yet.

If we take anything at all from any religion or teachings of religion, it's this. That we should be less quick to anger and more quick to help all our brothers, regardless of creed or kin.

Sure, racism is a big problem in London. In the world. In Croydon. But it's not the whole picture. Racism is the symptom not the disease. The rot runs deeper than that again. The dark heart of man.

For all we have, we are not happy. We can not love, only hate.

And Croydon is the place to do it!

Hell on earth. Hell-hole.

I'm just a little man, but I have a vision. I can't be alone in this.

Man will always need to work. Make great spaces for him to work in. Spaces that inspire him on a human level as well as a work level.

Man will always need clothes to wear. Let's make fashion great again! Let's make an industry out of it instead of a few rich ponces getting their kicks by inflicting their own personal perversions on us. Let it be functional (to keep us warm), let it be fabulous (for the girlies so we can admire them in their true form).

Man will always need to eat. Let's build fantastic restaurants and bars and cafes to break bread and commune. Remove kebab! Except for maybe some kind of ironic gourmet delicacy. Make an industry around the growing of fresh food, its transportation, it's JIT (just in time) business model as witnessed in Japan. Make it nutritional and beneficial to the human spirit as well as the human body. It's the staff of life!

Man will always want to break the bounds of his consciousness. Some do this with booze, some with mary jane, some with ecstasy, some with opium. Let us accept this. Make an industry of that as well. Cut out the middle man - the gangs and the scum that deal and kill for a quick buck, all facilitated by our corrupt laws. Regulate it. Keep an eye on it. Make it not sensational or outrageous, but maybe just more mundane, and hopefully the numbers will dwindle. Because there in is not the path...

Make places of worship, where men can gather to give blessings and say prayers. To count their lucky stars. To look up at the stars. It doesn't need to be a Church or a Temple, it could be an Observatory. To look back in time. To see from where we came from and to where we will return. We are stardust. Let us build as many temples to as many gods as we can muster. As long as all follow the Golden Rule.

People get old. They need care. They don't need to die in a nursing home somewhere with some bitter 3rd Worlder smacking them around when the cameras aren't looking. They need nurture as a child needs nurturing. We need to respect our elders and learn from them, not to patronize them, but to milk every last drop of human knowledge they so painfully gained in their lives, so as we do not painfully make the very exact same mistakes ourselves.

There will be the weak, and there will be the strong. The weak should fear the strong. But the strong have a duty to protect the weak. It's what separates us from the animals on the savanna. Those that are stronger and those that are cleverer should yield more rewards, and those that are weaker should be thankful that the strong truly do look after them and have their best interests at heart. All should strive to be the best they can be.

We have the technology. But we do not have the will; the simple wherewithal to make this come about. There are 'natural' laws against it.

Here we are on this Island Earth. We have been given Paradise, but chose to make it Hell. On Earth.

And we named it 'Croydon'.

And it was made in our image.

Just another microcosm and holographic projection of this dystopian world we live in.

And ourselves.

No one is innocent in Croydon.

No one is innocent.


But we could be...
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(10-12-2018 06:26 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Lived in London many many years. Go back to visit now and again. Less so these days.

I lived just outside Croydon for a few years at the end of my stay there. I suppose you could call it the Darkness on the edge of town.

In Croydon, no one is innocent.

Blacks hate whites. Blacks hate Indians. Blacks hate themselves. Whites hate blacks, hate Indians, hate themselves. Muslims hate everyone who isn't muslim. Everyone who isn't muslim hates them. You get the picture.

It's a current here-right-now dystopia. Teedub called it a hell-hole. Funny, he took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to call it 'hell-on-earth'.

Diversity is our greatest strength!

And the worst part is that this will spread across the entire country one day - it's currently contained in some areas of certain cities.

As Mark Collett said it well - it won't stay there - it will spread and there won't be an uprising. Was there an uprising when London turned majority non-White? There won't be one when the UK turns minority British, then minority White or when half the country looks like Croydon. It will be way too late to do anything about it by then.
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London is definitely much closer to the US culturally than the rest of Europe. Much more individualistic and competitive than mainland Europe.
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(10-13-2018 03:18 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  As Mark Collett said it well - it won't stay there - it will spread and there won't be an uprising. Was there an uprising when London turned majority non-White? There won't be one when the UK turns minority British, then minority White or when half the country looks like Croydon. It will be way too late to do anything about it by then.

So then what happens, by 2032 let's say?

All of western europe is just a mish mosh of "whatever"? Then we all shrug our shoulders about De Gaulle, or Churchill, or Napoleon, Van Gogh, or Kant/Heisenberg/Beethoven?

Get your passport ready!
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(10-14-2018 09:09 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(10-13-2018 03:18 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  As Mark Collett said it well - it won't stay there - it will spread and there won't be an uprising. Was there an uprising when London turned majority non-White? There won't be one when the UK turns minority British, then minority White or when half the country looks like Croydon. It will be way too late to do anything about it by then.

So then what happens, by 2032 let's say?

All of western europe is just a mish mosh of "whatever"? Then we all shrug our shoulders about De Gaulle, or Churchill, or Napoleon, Van Gogh, or Kant/Heisenberg/Beethoven?

No cultures and nations last in their height forever. Visit Britain while it lasts. Visit France while it lasts. Visit Netherlands while it's still there in certain areas.

The buildings covered in graffiti and piss will be there for a while.

I expect some European countries to make the shift necessary. Whether those countries implement ethnic-based-immigration policies or just do it silently is irrelevant.

Western/Euro-funded Countries that are unlikely to be saved:

USA, Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, UK, Sweden, Germany

Countries that might make it:

Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland

Countries that will likely make it:

Most EE countries

Jared Taylor said that it is unknown in human history for nations at the peak of their powers, when they could easily defend their borders against anyone - that it's insane to just open their borders to hostile or unfitting immigrant groups and be wiped out.

However - that has happened in the past before - on a micro-scale that is how initially many Jewish and Christian-dominated cities were taken over - by migration-Jihad - in the Arabian peninsula.
Rome opening the borders to the tribal violent Northern barbarians was also such a step, though Rome was weak on all fronts back then.
There are rumors that say that ancient Persia originally was founded by an European tribe with blue eyes, light skin and dark hair. They created such a high civilization that they later decided in their usual altruism to let in countless other tribes, so that they may enjoy the bounties of the Persian empire. In return that diluted the original tribe that made up that nation and later subsequently led to their defeat.

But we have to go long back in history for that - it's incredibly rare.

What can I say - the NPC programming was done very well by a hostile elite. It's no different to what happened in the past with other countries when treasonous aristocratic classes divvied up the land to bigger hostile parties, getting land and money in return for their betrayal - Scotland, Poland. When that happens countries ceased to exist, but at least the people were still alive. Now the elite has devised a plan to replace entire nations by quick technology-aided migration. You don't even have to officially destroy the country - it's better gone as if you had eliminated the name.

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(10-13-2018 09:03 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  London is definitely much closer to the US culturally than the rest of Europe. Much more individualistic and competitive than mainland Europe.

But the same applies to the rest of England for that matter.
10-19-2018 02:21 PM
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(10-19-2018 02:21 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  
(10-13-2018 09:03 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  London is definitely much closer to the US culturally than the rest of Europe. Much more individualistic and competitive than mainland Europe.

But the same applies to the rest of England for that matter.
Scotland too.

It's just we've got a rich benefactor to the south to bankroll our NHS and free education. If Super-Mexico offered a blank cheque to pay for it, none of you would object to 'socialised medicine' or 'free college'

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Ah - please - if Scotland were independent, then they might not have de-industrialized, plus they would have their offshore oil - the Scots would be richer than the "wealthy neighbors down south".

Scots are more independent free thinkers, much tougher to indoctrinate which explains why they destroyed the place so much - it was together with the Irish on the globalist extermination list for a long time. They are finally going to manage now with mass migration.

London has not much in common anymore with British culture - it's a mix of non-Europeans, massive globalist control top-down, a dumbed down lower-class population (some areas still using water fluoridation despite the fact that there are now massive studies from across the world proving that it actually lowers IQs in children if pregnant women and small children consume it).

The English are unique just as the Scots, but they are at the epicenter of the globalist empire in London.

Ever wondered why there is such a big push for British actresses in Hollywood movies recently? It's not only meritocracy - there is probably something silently dominating at that. Yeah - it's a small nation, but the City of London is the belly of the beast.
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Can anyone explain why the scots in the big cities behaved like a bunch of third world savages with street fighting gangs and drugs all over?
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(10-13-2018 03:18 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(10-12-2018 06:26 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Lived in London many many years. Go back to visit now and again. Less so these days.

I lived just outside Croydon for a few years at the end of my stay there. I suppose you could call it the Darkness on the edge of town.

In Croydon, no one is innocent.

Blacks hate whites. Blacks hate Indians. Blacks hate themselves. Whites hate blacks, hate Indians, hate themselves. Muslims hate everyone who isn't muslim. Everyone who isn't muslim hates them. You get the picture.

It's a current here-right-now dystopia. Teedub called it a hell-hole. Funny, he took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to call it 'hell-on-earth'.

Diversity is our greatest strength!

Diversity is not the problem. It would work fine if people were on the same level, had the same goals and same ambitions.

Or can you hang out with everyone of your own ethnic group? I highly doubt that, because even within ethnic groups people are very different. With some you resonate and with some you don't.

The problem is that most immigrants don't resonate with the native people and vice versa. And these immigrants don't care, because their primary goal is to get free stuff and money.
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After a complaint by the Muslim Council of Britain, the soldiers were punished by the Armed Forces, and even the Armed Forces official Islamic advisor, Asim Hafiz condemned the soldiers who posed with the right-wing figure.

But thousands of messages and hundreds of photos of support have poured in from across the Armed Forces many of which Tommy is sharing on his Facebook page. Already nearly 200,000 public signatures have been signed in support for “Soldier X”.

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