Post: #1

Here is an image that made the front page of Reddit. To save you a click: A woman, or should I say an alpha widow, gets a single text from her Chad. She thinks and obsesses about the text all day.

Let’s look at some of the comments. Since Reddit is putting in measures to thwart archiving, scroll down to see this Red Pill gem:

Some harpy on Reddit Wrote:My boyfriend loves me but he’s really emotionally distant. He doesn’t really make a lot of effort to be sweet. I wish I could get texts like this, it would make my day.

Lady, you made a choice to be an alpha widow to some Chad who is getting some pussy on the side.

Let me tell you guys something: Girls love to complain all the time that they don’t get enough texts or phone calls. So, I tried an experiment: I started texting this one female friend every night, so she would feel love. She ignored all of my texts. She would start to ignore me whenever I was with our group of friends. I became invisible to her.

This harpy would have, I assure you, absolutely no problem finding some “nice guy” who would send her a text every hour, even if she is fat and ugly. But she does not. She chooses to open her legs for the guy who never texts her, not the guy who would regularly text her.

This, guys, is the Red Pill. If you want women to open her legs for you, you need to be the kind of guy they have sex with.

(All links are archived links)

Post: #2

I think you raised an interesting point.

90% of women cannot be attracted to a guy unless he is emotionally distant. The 10% that responds to your emotions right off the bat are needy emotional black holes.

If you ever want women to stare into your soul and completely fangirl on you, show up emotionally distant. You will get shit tested off the ass. But as soon as you start showing some emotion, they all run away.

I've experienced this hundreds of times. On my way to work with my business attire thinking about how I'm going to make my first million, and every woman is staring at me. When I get off work and thinking about how I'm going to get laid, and suddenly it's a desert. And I'm the same guy.

So the million dollar question is: How the hell do I show interest without women running away?

It's almost like a paradox.

It took me a long time to figure it out but I think the answer is she has to make an effort before you can show interest.

This is why the vast majority of online game doesn't work. Women get rewarded for nothing, and therefore your validation has no value. You only have value if someone did something to earn your validation.

Framing validation is more important than looks, money, and status. It is the most important aspect of game, in my opinion. Everything changed when I started to withhold my validation and framed myself as the validator and started prompting women to make an effort before rewarding them.

Frame is like a prison to women. They cannot escape it no matter how hot they are. Frame is why fat women are able to control entire social groups of hot women.

Frame makes being a guy who pimps out women possible.

High status people usually have the validator frame, but anyone can do it.

If you have read this far, you are probably wondering how did I apply this to my game in the real world?

When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

When I changed my frame, women suddenly opened up to me way more than when I had the intent to just get laid. Opening a set while being emotionally distant and having a goal of meeting my quota for 20 rejections almost made me rejection proof. It's like women could sense I didn't care about their validation or even a positive reaction.

I'm not saying my new frame attracted every woman. But it put me on even ground. I became an undetectable social dude, rather than the "guy who hits on everyone" like I used to be.

And as soon as any woman would make an effort to get to know me, I would reward her with interest.

So basically, it is not about being emotionally distant vs showing interest. That's like looking at gravitational pull and guessing there must be a black hole there. Look at the black hole itself. The black hole in game is only validating women who make an effort.

You can show as much interest as you want. You can even be a god damn romantic hero. As long as you frame it as a reward for some great effort she did, because after all, she exists to add value to your life. And this will train her to make even more efforts.

Other ways I have implemented my new frame would be fast escalation. My frame is I am practicing overcoming my inner bitch. I'm not trying to win her approval. Because I am emotionally distant and completely unreactive, she is more likely to be attracted to me. And as soon as she gives me compliance (female value), I reward her with plausible deniability (let's go back to my place and watch netflix).

In a lot of ways, I am the same exact guy. The only thing that changed was a switch in my head that gave me a new frame. And somehow every woman can sense that shit.

Post: #3

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  This is why the vast majority of online game doesn't work. Women get rewarded for nothing, and therefore your validation has no value. You only have value if someone did something to earn your validation.

Begin masta's pearls.

Quote:Framing validation is more important than looks, money, and status. It is the most important aspect of game, in my opinion. Everything changed when I started to withhold my validation and framed myself as the validator and started prompting women to make an effort before rewarding them.

Frame is like a prison to women. They cannot escape it no matter how hot they are. Frame is why fat women are able to control entire social groups of hot women.

Quote:When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

I love this thinking out of the box.

Quote:I'm not saying my new frame attracted every woman. But it put me on even ground. I became an undetectable social dude, rather than the "guy who hits on everyone" like I used to be.

Mysterious, yes. Needs the balance of intrigue, though.

Quote:As long as you frame it as a reward for some great effort she did, because after all, she exists to add value to your life. And this will train her to make even more efforts.

Uncovering the current state of the west's problems = women generally not making any effort beyond the very basics, or the effort is individualistic or masculine.

Frame, I agree, is critical ... but you need to be around decent quality that you find acceptable, which is the main problem I keep coming back to in the forum = ACCESS. Your presence and their presence for the chance to interact and provide frame, interest.

All in all, great stuff from masta.

Post: #4

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  This is why the vast majority of online game doesn't work. Women get rewarded for nothing, and therefore your validation has no value.

Little value, but they still expect it.

I think the reason online game doesn't work (at least from the point of the match onward) is that women expect men to do ALL of the heavy lifting. I'm just unwilling to sit there and ask her 20 questions and hope she asks a single question back to prove she has any curiosity about my life too. Just because I swiped on her doesn't mean I'm going to treat her as a prize to be won through hard labor while she polishes her nails. It should be a two-way-street. So I always wind up trying to vet her rather than the other way around, and if she doesn't put in enough energy, I unmatch. I used to think allowing things to go silent like that would spark her interest but she just has too many other options. An initial match feels like it carries almost no significance at all to women these days despite how hard it is for guys to get.

Post: #5

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

When I changed my frame, women suddenly opened up to me way more than when I had the intent to just get laid. Opening a set while being emotionally distant and having a goal of meeting my quota for 20 rejections almost made me rejection proof. It's like women could sense I didn't care about their validation or even a positive reaction.

Great stuff masta.

Basically what you're doing is taking it one step further, not only accepting rejection as part of the game, but actually making it the goal of the interaction. I never really thought about it this way, but it makes perfect sense if you want to really grow in the game.

Post: #6

The ironic thing about all this is that the more committed a man gets to his career the deeper he gets into to it mentally ...the more emotionally distant he becomes. A successful man will always put himself first and a woman 2nd or 3rd. It’s like women can indirectly smell success and financial stability.

Post: #7

Women are masochistic in the sense that the traits that attract the most interest on the way in are the same ones that frustrate them after the initial hookup. This is true of humans in general in various ways, as espoused by this famous phrase that most of you probably know:

"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but is often true."

Attraction is really the state of wanting what you don't yet have. An aloof partner keeps an element of chase alive at the expensive of any real connection in the relationship.

Post: #8

Bro she's ignoring your texts cuz she don't like you nothing redpill about your post

Post: #9

@masta

Why do you think more guys don’t do this?


It’s because they can’t. You need strength to be emotionally distant, and most guys don’t have it.

The switch in the brain may be easy to make, but maintaining it is something very few guys want to do. Again it’s not about what you know, but about what you can consistently apply.

Being strong requires character, and gaining character requires overcoming hardship: courage. The comfort of today’s life makes escaping so easy—there are a huge amount of distractions available to run away from being a man. Framing is simply that; there was a time when every man set the frame and every woman followed; it’s simply being a man.

Rejecting the lies of society is the first and easy part; consistently and correctly leading women (and training/educating them), and navigating through the vast amounts of temptations is the hard part.

@Parlay44 And of course it’s crucial to have passionate work and making it your life’s priority.

Post: #10

(09-29-2018 10:14 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Bro she's ignoring your texts cuz she don't like you nothing redpill about your post

Some advice, so you don't get the ban hammer: You need to learn to read people’s posts before replying to them. Also, as a new poster, you need to learn to respect established members, or, at least, actually read what they have to say before bringing out the flame thrower.

Considering that your posts are usually higher quality than this nonsense, the issue is probably that you shouldn’t be posting while drunk.

Post: #11

(09-29-2018 11:58 PM)Flux Wrote:  @masta

Why do you think more guys don’t do this?


It’s because they can’t. You need strength to be emotionally distant, and most guys don’t have it.

The switch in the brain may be easy to make, but maintaining it is something very few guys want to do. Again it’s not about what you know, but about what you can consistently apply.

Being strong requires character, and gaining character requires overcoming hardship: courage. The comfort of today’s life makes escaping so easy—there are a huge amount of distractions available to run away from being a man. Framing is simply that; there was a time when every man set the frame and every woman followed; it’s simply being a man.

Rejecting the lies of society is the first and easy part; consistently and correctly leading women (and training/educating them), and navigating through the vast amounts of temptations is the hard part.

@Parlay44 And of course it’s crucial to have passionate work and making it your life’s priority.

The reason why men are not emotionally distant is because they do not believe in themselves.

Society is lieing to you.

It is trying to tell you that you are not good enough.

This is the biggest lie ever.

What if I were to tell you that your DNA had the blueprint?

You would probably think I had an ulterior motive.

Do you know how intoxicating self belief is? It is an aphrodisiac but so rare. Even in this forum, there is lack of self belief. I literally got clowned and trolled by even the most reputable posters here when I first joined this forum.

But trust me, you want me to be me. And I want you to be you. I want to see self belief.

Why are we threatened by self belief? Lack of self belief is the number culprit of all of our problems.

You would not be here...


Read that again....And you know I am speaking truth....

You would not be in this forum if you had self belief.

At some point, you betrayed yourself.

You know in your heart of hearts that if you loved yourself in every way, the most beautiful women would show up. That shit always happens.

There are fucked up people in this world....and there are beautiful people.


99% of people on this forum are not beautiful. We are lacking in integrity to some degree....including myself.

If I truly loved myself 100% I would not be here.

So besides from "frame game", the number 1 principle is self love.

If you loved yourself 100%, you would have very little problems in life.

And don't fucking bullshit me. You know what I am talking about.

You know what you need to do. Just do it. Do it for you. If you do everything for you, it would solve everything.........Because after all.....

You cannot love anyone unless you love yourself.

The extent of how much in love you can be or even how much you can love a woman depends on how much you love yourself.

If you truly love yourself..you will fall in love. You will find your mirror reflection.

Post: #12

(09-29-2018 03:57 PM)placer Wrote:  This harpy would have, I assure you, absolutely no problem finding some “nice guy” who would send her a text every hour, even if she is fat and ugly. But she does not. She chooses to open her legs for the guy who never texts her, not the guy who would regularly text her.

I think you've got it the other way round. He doesn't text (implicitly - keeps himself aloof and indifferent to her emotional fretting), thus she keep thinking of him and opening her legs

Post: #13

(09-29-2018 10:04 PM)questor70 Wrote:  Women are masochistic in the sense that the traits that attract the most interest on the way in are the same ones that frustrate them after the initial hookup. This is true of humans in general in various ways, as espoused by this famous phrase that most of you probably know:

"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but is often true."

Attraction is really the state of wanting what you don't yet have. An aloof partner keeps an element of chase alive at the expensive of any real connection in the relationship.

Questor70, there's actually empirical data corroborating what you wrote above. The article doesn't address the full scope of the issue but If you're curious you can dig deeper to Gilbert and others' research, plenty out there on the internet.

Pursuit of happiness

Post: #14

The key to texting is not simply to be emotionally distant but to be masculine. Feminine women are drawn to masculinity. Part of masculinity is being mostly emotionally distant, but it more than that. Its being a leader, its doing what you say, its holding her accountable, its being cocky/funny instead of supplicating, etc.

Post: #15

Love listening to rants by a guy named Coach Corey Wayne on YouTube. I'd say 90% of his material revolves around hammering down this dynamic and the vast majority of what he says is spot on in my opinion.

Post: #16

(09-29-2018 09:44 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

When I changed my frame, women suddenly opened up to me way more than when I had the intent to just get laid. Opening a set while being emotionally distant and having a goal of meeting my quota for 20 rejections almost made me rejection proof. It's like women could sense I didn't care about their validation or even a positive reaction.

Great stuff masta.

Basically what you're doing is taking it one step further, not only accepting rejection as part of the game, but actually making it the goal of the interaction. I never really thought about it this way, but it makes perfect sense if you want to really grow in the game.

It's an interesting theory, but i have to ask you masta and winston. What exactly do you mean with going into the interactions WANTING to be rejected? Doesn't that ruin the idea of trying to meet a cool girl if you're going in just to be cocky/douchebag and act like you dont care. Wouldn't you just project the bad side of yourself? Or did i misunderstand something?

I agree about going into interactions being independent of the outcome which is the term abundance - preached so much in the PUA community. But what kind of things would i say in a conversation if i had to get into one if i applied your "rejection-goal" strategy. If im emotionally distant does it mean i shouldn't show happiness or anger or excitement?

Post: #17

No way bro. Gross over simplification. The amount of men absolute killing their careers but are shitty with women is immense. Plenty of men making way more money than me and holding far more prominent position that can’t even get my scraps. I make about 150k a year which isn’t bad isn’t great either. I know bankers, lawyers and doctors who do ok but aren’t fuckin with the quality I fuck with. There certainly is a huge benefit to a lucrative career but being a leader of industry is not an automatic recipe for being a chick magnet

Post: #18

Forgot the quote

Post: #19

(09-30-2018 09:10 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  No way bro. Gross over simplification. The amount of men absolute killing their careers but are shitty with women is immense. Plenty of men making way more money than me and holding far more prominent position that can’t even get my scraps. I make about 150k a year which isn’t bad isn’t great either. I know bankers, lawyers and doctors who do ok but aren’t fuckin with the quality I fuck with. There certainly is a huge benefit to a lucrative career but being a leader of industry is not an automatic recipe for being a chick magnet

Making a lot of money is not de facto masculine or leadership or knowing how to hold frame. I was in the same situation until 5-6 years ago when I finally put the pieces together: Be honest/direct, masculine, demanding, have options....and get in solid shape.

Post: #20

(09-30-2018 08:33 AM)lifecrisis Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 09:44 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

When I changed my frame, women suddenly opened up to me way more than when I had the intent to just get laid. Opening a set while being emotionally distant and having a goal of meeting my quota for 20 rejections almost made me rejection proof. It's like women could sense I didn't care about their validation or even a positive reaction.

Great stuff masta.

Basically what you're doing is taking it one step further, not only accepting rejection as part of the game, but actually making it the goal of the interaction. I never really thought about it this way, but it makes perfect sense if you want to really grow in the game.

It's an interesting theory, but i have to ask you masta and winston. What exactly do you mean with going into the interactions WANTING to be rejected? Doesn't that ruin the idea of trying to meet a cool girl if you're going in just to be cocky/douchebag and act like you dont care. Wouldn't you just project the bad side of yourself? Or did i misunderstand something?

I agree about going into interactions being independent of the outcome which is the term abundance - preached so much in the PUA community. But what kind of things would i say in a conversation if i had to get into one if i applied your "rejection-goal" strategy. If im emotionally distant does it mean i shouldn't show happiness or anger or excitement?

I call it expression over impression. Instead of trying to impress women, simply express your personality. It's the art of not giving a damn. I did this when I had a solid rotation. The result was I didn't get along with every women. I actually spent alot of time yelling at women for being entitled or bitchy. But when I did hook, it was strong.

This way, I don't have to worry about walking on eggshells or eliciting her values. There's two types of connections you can make with women: deep rapport or wide rapport. I go for wide rapport. It's the feeling like you can talk about anything with someone. You are not too attached to any topic. This is possible if you were fully self expressive.

The last set I approached I opened with "hey guys no serious conversations". We ended up talking about how every wall has 4 sides and how cool it was. It made no sense but everyone was laughing and getting out of their heads. Then amazingly the girls did fuck marry kill with me. That's like a pua routine. I didn't even bring it up. But we had a good time connecting. The women were shocked that I had the audacity to go up to them and close the distance considering they were all 8s and above and looked bitchy and dismissive. What they didn't know was that I was planning to get blown out by self amusing myself. I wasn't actually planning to impress them, and paradoxically, I am less likely to get rejected if it was my goal.

My goal is not rejection. My goal is 100% self expression. This is how you build your self esteem. Anything less is self betrayal. If I can leave a set knowing that I was truly authentic, then I consider that a win. It doesn't matter what the results are. And I end up weeding out all the fake people and meet alot of high quality authentic people. My goal is not to get laid. My frame is more like I am weeding out all the unworthy women. If I am going to have a rotation of 2-3 women, they might as well be good people.

I am not a seducer. A seducer is like a chameleon. He doesn't have a real self. He is whatever he thinks women are attracted to. But what if the woman was a sociopath? If you have no values, you become like the very thing you are trying to chase.

A great man named pook once said a guy who is great with women loses his character and integrity. This is kinda true in my experience. 90% of American females are like trash. I'm not trying to be great with them. I'm trying to be my best self for my own personal happiness. And being authentic and self expressive while not giving a damn about positive reactions is good for my soul and good enough to get a rotation of quality women.

Being with the wrong women can crush your self esteem. I've been there. The price I had to pay was not worth the 15 minutes of bland sex.

When I go out, it is a practice in having good form. Not caring what people think, handling social pressure, being out of my head, feeling complete without any validation, being able to approach a group hotties with no fears or insecurities, being able to express myself without fear or even need for validation and approval, being able to escalate without hesitation, and overall enjoying myself is my end goal.

Being able to do these things removes all of the state friction inside of you. When you see a window, you approach, connect, escalate, and close. There's nothing holding you back. But I have met alot of guys with all sorts of internal turmoil that they can't even close the deal on an open window.

So do not underestimate inner game and having the right frame of mind. Without inner game, no outer game works. And with good inner game (100% self expressing, no need for validation, not being an emotional slut who's needy for every woman) almost everything that comes out of your mouth works. Even if you don't attract the women you can still walk away with your interity and self esteem in tact.

Self esteem is an aphrodisac. It is the most value you can actually offer women. We live in a world of self doubt where people act like validation seeking losers. For a lot of women, you do not seem like a real actual person with any value unless self esteem was beaming out of you. Alot of women would even choose egomaniacs over a supplicating chump.

Anyway, to me pickup is simply practice in being authentic. And that includes embracing my sexuality and escalating on women like it's normal.

Right now my sticking point is I keep falling for ego traps. There's always one woman who genuinely likes me and one who is using me for validation and attention. When I am drunk, I have a tendency to go for the attention whore, and the genuine one ends up leaving the interaction. Women have alot of game and if you're not careful, they will use you for all the validation you can offer.

My method is the Nick Saban way where I believe I'm the process. Take any guy who's at least a 6/10 with a normal job and put him into a process where he practices self expression, non neediness, being out of your head and into the moment, letting go of need for validation and approval, self amusement, escalating on Windows, and one last thing I forgot, practicing appreciation, then he would become good in a few months.

Appreciation is a direct result of having value. And the act of appreciation is offering women that value. You can turn an ice queen into a giddy little girl if you can show appreciation for her genuine self. In fact if my brain was erased and I could only remember once thing in game, I would choose appreciation. It can can an interaction 180 degrees as soon as she realizes you like the real life. You give her self esteem with your genuine appreciation.

You cannot value anyone unless you value yourself first. So by showing appreciation, you are indirectly saying "Hey I am a high value guy".

Low value people supplicate and try to impress, while high value people appreciate and express themselves.

Edit: To answer your question, now that you know the frame I am coming from, when I said my goal was 20 rejections, it's more like 20 times I expressed myself and escalated on women without giving a damn. I assume it will not be all rainbows and butterflies. I expect bitch shields, ridicule, rejection, drama, etc. Alot of women who are attracted to you don't even know how to act normal in front of their friends, so you have to embrace chaos.

Post: #21

(10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:  *snip*

Appreciation is a direct result of having value. And the act of appreciation is offering women that value. You can turn an ice queen into a giddy little girl if you can show appreciation for her genuine self. In fact if my brain was erased and I could only remember once thing in game, I would choose appreciation. It can can an interaction 180 degrees as soon as she realizes you like the real life. You give her self esteem with your genuine appreciation.

You cannot value anyone unless you value yourself first. So by showing appreciation, you are indirectly saying "Hey I am a high value guy".

Low value people supplicate and try to impress, while high value people appreciate and express themselves.

Do you have some examples on how this work in a real life situation?

How do you show appreciation for the genuine self of an "ice queen" like you described it? What if you encounter massive bitch shields and attitudes?

Post: #22

Yes

(10-01-2018 08:19 AM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:  *snip*

Appreciation is a direct result of having value. And the act of appreciation is offering women that value. You can turn an ice queen into a giddy little girl if you can show appreciation for her genuine self. In fact if my brain was erased and I could only remember once thing in game, I would choose appreciation. It can can an interaction 180 degrees as soon as she realizes you like the real life. You give her self esteem with your genuine appreciation.

You cannot value anyone unless you value yourself first. So by showing appreciation, you are indirectly saying "Hey I am a high value guy".

Low value people supplicate and try to impress, while high value people appreciate and express themselves.

Do you have some examples on how this work in a real life situation?

How do you show appreciation for the genuine self of an "ice queen" like you described it? What if you encounter massive bitch shields and attitudes?

One thing that works for me is cold reading. I don't like to do routines but I am into astrology and it so happens most women are too so it is a good ice breaker and conversational ramble material. There are only certain signs I know, and those signs are the ones that are compatible with my sign. The rest I just bullshit or generalize. But I make sure the generalization is an example of her best self.

Like this past weekend I opened a 3 set and my target was pretty cold looking. I asked her for her age and told her about her sign. I said she had the confidence to achieve whatever she wanted and I really like that in a woman. Her expression did a 180 and I got a window but I was dumb and started escalating on her friend instead because her friend kept trying to get my attention.

My version of cold reading is just trying to inspire, uplift, and motivate people to reach their full potential. It's not really a cold read. More like encouragement. And people have a tendency to want to meet your expectations.

I set myself as the validator. A high value guy who frames himself as the source of validation showing appreciation for you, or the potential you have will make anyone warm and fuzzy on the inside.

It's the opposite of a low value guy supplicating. It looks almost the same but the difference is the frame the guy is coming from.

Another thing you can do is ask women questions as if you are the one vetting them. You are the screener and not them. This is called qualifying women. This is something high value guys naturally do. They usually qualify people before handing out approval. This is something that may feel uncomfortable and unnatural if you don't feel high value and youre trying to qualify and hb 10 or a group of hb10s. But that's why they call it game right? Fake it till you make it.

If a woman is making an effort, giving me compliance, or showing me her fun personality, I would reward her with "you are sexy and I really like your vibe. You seem really down to earth. I think that's why we met." I am not using it as a line, I am basing my compliment on her actual qualities. This allows me to come across as genuine.

Showing genuine interest and appreciation for a woman's real self is like the hardest thing. I find myself getting caught up in my own ego. But it shouldn't be about me. I am supposed to be already complete, self validated, all that stuff. My task is weeding out all the trash and seeing if there are any cool women out there.

It takes practice to take the focus outside of your overreactive ego. But high value people with high self esteem naturally do this. They are not in trying to impress mode. They are usually in seeing if anyone is impressive mode.

So you have two options. Either set expectations by cold reading and have her live up to it (most of the time they can) or you can show approval for them based on qualities she has and use that as a reason you like her. This makes you look genuine because it is based on her qualities and not generic qualities of women in general. But the key is she actually has to show these qualities.

A third option is to force women to open up and show you some value. You can do this by screening them with interview questions. This will sometimes cause a frame battle with 8s and up. They will sometimes give you one word answers. The key is to stand your ground and show her you are for real. If she doesn't open up, then there is no connection. You are feeling her style, but not completely sold. This is the correct attitude and frame of a high value guy. Alot of times women will battle you because she does not believe you are what you are trying to present yourself as. So you can't lose frame.

You cannot show appreciation for nothing. As I said in my first post, the key is to come across as a source of validation where you are the one screening and qualifying people.

Personally for me, I have a hard time qualifying hot women. I'm not perfect. My confidence comes and goes. I do my best when I set expectations for people and inspire them to be their best self, and then I show appreciation. I don't feel like getting into frame battles so I choose to see the best in people and then take back my validation if they fail to live up to my standards for them. I'm still doing the same thing (framing myself as the source of validation) but I am doing it in a less intrusive and more friendly way. The opposite would be hard qualifying women. I can do this on a group of hot women when my frame is 10/10 but that isn't always the case.

The good thing is that most of the time, women will show their qualities to you. It's just that most guys are so caught up in their own egos trying to impress women that they miss it.

So you have two people trying to qualify themselves to the other. Two people needy for validation. This is not a recipe for attraction. Because women are hypergamous, men have to be the source of validation.

Most of the time you don't have to screen hard and qualify women right off the bat. Even the biggest ice queens will show cracks if you come across as a confident and fun guy. And if you time your validation and approval perfectly (when she opened up) you can blow the interaction wide open. This is the essence of only escalating on Windows.

The key to the entire seduction game is to position yourself to show appreciation for her real self. 90% of the time you get her generic self. So it's like a battle of are you going supplicate to her generic self?

Even though the blueprint is easy to understand, I am not saying it will always work out. You can even have an entire night of running into masculine man hating women who refuse to fall into your frame.

They will show you nothing to appreciate and it would be like the alpha male vs queen bee type dynamic. We all know about feminism.

But trust me, some of the best players I have ever met are masters at positioning themselves to where they can show appreciation.

One time I was at a beach bar with such a guy. We both ordered drinks and while I was just bantering with the bartender he was like "wow this is the best margarita ever". The bartender I was talking to immediately melted because she made it. The bartender that made my drink felt left out in the cold. So I started exaggerating how good my drink was but it didn't work. It wasn't genuine.

He kept beating me to the punch all day. He was an expert in being a source of validation. And often times women would come to him for some of that value he had. All he did was show appreciation and had women competing for his attention.

Finally at one point two women stood next to me and I pulled out a chair and said "for two beautiful women". I immediately hooked better than anything I ever did.

The thing about appreciation is that it is a state and a vibe, not a technique. Once I was able to activate that state and come across as genuinely appreciative for the feminine essence, I was suddenly surrounded by like 6 cougars. Cougars are less likely to resist appreciation from charming young men. It's kind of like chick crack. It's why females are obsessed with boy bands serenading them.

You have to make it believable that you really like her for her. This is why dumb shit like forgetting an arbitrary detail about her can blow you out. In a sense, everybody wants unconditional love.

My final thought on this is that there are exceptions. Some women do not love themselves and will think there is something wrong with you if you show appreciation for them. They will rationalize that you must be desperate or low value. This is especially true the deeper you get into night game where it is meat market hour and you're surrounded by sluts.

In meat market hour, I shorten my appreciation to a woman's looks and nothing else. "I think you are very sexy" is the line I use. There is nothing unique about slutty women in meat market hours so I would just come across as a needy loser if I did anything more than validating women just for their looks. Women know they are giving you the bare minimum in these places. Their emotions are usually shut off and there is no love or loyalty. They could make out with you one minute and go home with another guy the next minute. This is why experts tell you to not take meat market game seriously. Don't attach your self worth to it. There was a time in my life where I amassed hundreds of rejections at night while 8s were hitting on me in broad daylight but I was so obsessed with night game that I was convinced my value was a 4. That was until I got rejected by a girl in my social circle at a club only to have her supplicate to me the next week.