Post: #1

Hello everyone ,
I am in Russia , in various cities for the world cup , and later in some others , for tourism and not for football.
I am married and have created a virtual harem months in advance to have as many options as possible for real meet when i m here ( i am here now)

I am quite shy , and I was pathologically shy person before i gained self confidence and eventually got married and have kids. Even though I am a bit shy , I believe I can display some sort of "placid" self-confidence , and with excellent mood , I can be extremely eccentric and can "make the difference"

I have made 1 "real life" approach , to a girl watching alone a match on the big screen in town , i came to her at half time. I don't know if she saw my ring , but it was going well , and then I had a call I couldnt refuse and during that time she took the opportunity to just leave to another row (?!) ... she came back at the end of the match to wish me "the best" and "to have a good time here".
It was a bit rough , as i believe this is the first time of my life i am trying cold approaches. I felt like she was escaping from a monster or something. However it is a progress , one decade ago i would have been sweating and shaking to do this.

the other 2 i met , respectively in Moscow and in Samara. The meetings were initially planned for a few hours until max. 10pm , but I have managed to keep them in a park chatting and talking until 4am and 5 am. As they had been already selected up-front , it was a bit more easy since we knew a bit of our lives but i am still happy about my performances. ( In addition , I have done this only in Russian , which has improved my level a lot)

Both have ended up the next day telling me that they absolutely adore me but that since i am married they dont want anything. They have also both said ( and one told me in real life looking at me in the eyes) that (i quote) "If you weren't married you would already be in my bed".

Is that such a big thing ? Can only married women cheat with married men ? Non-married women will refuse to do anything or they are just using this as an excuse to politely decline me ? I felt like the ultimate victory with "panache" was to get someone in bed without any lie at all.

In addition , I think i am quite a pussy , because I feel that I start to have feelings for one of these two girls .

So , i will try to formulate my questions well ?
- should i push it to get what i want and keep contact with those girls ?
- should i entirely delete from my life the one I may have feelings for in the future ?
- should I lie in the rest of my trip about my marital condition and simply pretend i am single ? I feel that this would totally raise my probabilities but .... I really feel bad about misleading a woman (because yes , usually i do not get in contact with bitches but with more or less respectable women )

Thank you for listening- kindly asking for your help. I feel extremely frustrated to not be able to have good time with women who seem to like me , and with whom I have a strong connection. I feel like they make me "pay" for being married , which i think sums up the pervert personality of a woman.

Post: #2

You can't make any judgements about the state of your game and what works and doesn't work based on only one single approach.

Roosh Wrote:The secret to getting laid is old fashioned hard work. Get your ass out in the field, approach in large numbers, get that experience, build momentum, and it’s almost impossible not to lay a variety of women. Reading blogs or books is fine to learn from the experience of other men, but unless you do the actual work yourself you will never be good. You’ll be the business professor who can talk about theory all day but has never actually run a business in his life, while college dropouts are running billion-dollar companies.

Full article
http://www.rooshv.com/the-secret-to-getting-laid

Post: #3

"Virtual Harem" ??

Post: #4

A wedding ring is an asset to a woman looking for NSA. She knows you'll keep things discrete. But probably most women are looking for a way to access your assets (relationship), not a one time fling.

Post: #5

I got married buddies that Crush women. Some women see a married man as someone who is settled and stable. Women love to get what someone else has and will cherish the thrill of victory of manipulation. Married or single it all depends on how good your game is.

Post: #6

My guess is that as soon as a woman figures out you're happily married, it ruins the fantasy that she's secretly "the good one".

I've had women bang who knew I was in a relationship without me telling them anything at all about the relationship. However, they'd go sit and think about it, and ask probing questions from time to time, like they were making up stories about why I must hate my relationship.

I've also had women bang who knew I was not happy with whatever I was dealing with at that time. I generally know better than to complain, but sometimes shit slips out and if they smell blood in the water, they're in.

As soon as they start thinking I actually like my LTR/main and am just having fun, they get weird about it. I think it becomes more difficult to hamster away what they're doing and they start empathizing with the other woman.

Post: #7

It's totally up to you to use it to your advantage:

- You're her fantasy, a successful married man that is talking to her.
- You're settled but also looking for options, she can smell that, it's fun for women to think that they can get another woman's man
- You're secure in yourself, have a wife, this is your "fun" time, make her part of your fun

Post: #8

(06-18-2018 06:13 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Thank you for listening- kindly asking for your help. I feel extremely frustrated to not be able to have good time with women who seem to like me , and with whom I have a strong connection. I feel like they make me "pay" for being married , which i think sums up the pervert personality of a woman.

First and foremost... you should protect yourself and your family from what is called a "Bunny Boiler". This means essentially creating a fake identity to use when you are gaming women. You should have a disposable phone. Fake ID if possible, and create an online presence for your fake ID. I suggest not posting pictures if you have something like a fake facebook.

Women who chase married men don't tend to just fuck them once and bounce. They are looking for the full Disneyland Ride. They want the affair. It's addictive like a drug so many will fall into this multiple times. More often though they have an affair with a married man... then get out all messed up and crazy... marry some beta bucks and then start an affair with another married man. The bottom line here is that if you are a high enough quality guy... these women go off the deepend easily. You can find them doing shit like stalking your wife. Sending your family pictures of the two of you together... anything that disrupts your life.

If you just want NSA sex... it's probably best not to flash your wedding ring around.

Do we have an active Married Man Game thread? I can't find one.

Post: #9

Wedding ring for seduction does not work. The times when women were poaching other men are long gone.

Some married women may pick other married men for affairs, because they don't want a puppy Beta following them around afterwards and blowing up their marriage. That seems to have been the case with you.

You need to convey more strongly the Alpha fucks no-strings-attached Player approach with those. A ring will ruin many more approaches than it will save - by far.

Post: #10

Keep the ring out of sight and game like you did back in the day. For the small percent of women you may intrigue by being married it is not worth the hassle.

Post: #11

(06-20-2018 05:51 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Wedding ring for seduction does not work. The times when women were poaching other men are long gone.
Some married women may pick other married men for affairs, because they don't want a puppy Beta following them around afterwards and blowing up their marriage. That seems to have been the case with you.
You need to convey more strongly the Alpha fucks no-strings-attached Player approach with those. A ring will ruin many more approaches than it will save - by far.

I don't think this is true. I have personally noticed much more attention from women while wearing a ring vs. not.

My experience on this is that if you wear a ring you must play the game very differently, and you will be playing it with an entirely different set of women... often times much hotter. The drawback is like I mentioned before, the women who are willing to go after married men are looking for massive emotional entanglements. Don't expect a one night stand... unless you are a celebrity of some kind they require a lot of input and effort. The payout is the best sex of your life... but that's for another thread.

Post: #12

Sorry had to dig again on my own post.
I agree that ring attracts more. And some women just want to ruin other people's marriages as they are jealous.
I am that guy who started gaming a bit shortly before getting married and i didnt game in the past. if i had had this self confidence a few years back id have much success.
now i just have the usual "why do you talk to me if you re marrieD" this is quite annoying.

Post: #13

If you decided to game while married, I would absolutely not reveal that you are married.

You never know who you meet and if they found out who you are, your life could be totally fucked. I'd say don't take that chance.

Post: #14

Nevermind

Post: #15

(08-03-2018 07:53 AM)Cobra Wrote:  If you decided to game while married, I would absolutely not reveal that you are married.

You never know who you meet and if they found out who you are, your life could be totally fucked. I'd say don't take that chance.

Agreed!
Ring in display or not if you game being married then:

- Never tell them your real name. No woman who wants to fuck you needs to know your full real name.
- Never give them your main phone number. Have a burner. In today's world lots of things are tied to your main number.
- Never give out info about your address or place of work. Crazy bitches will do everything to ruin your life once the "fantasy" has ended.
- Always pay in cash, never attach "suspicious" transactions to your credit card.
- Be careful of using uber/lyft since those can be easily tracked.
- Stay out of social media. Face recognition and face matching is way too easy nowadays.

...probably many other things to be careful if you care for your wife/family. If you don't then it's way easier to just leave her.

Post: #16

a little bump on one of my topic - as i think my situation doesnt deserve a specific topic. Until now I was gaming single or unmarried women as married women are hard to find - especially online-. My day game is getting better but I am still an amateur. There is also a large share of married women who will not be interested in gaming. Please redirect me to a specific thread for married men if there is one.

So here we go :

I have met a married woman during my few days off family and unfortunately we had no time for more than long written discussions at night and a coffee the next morning before I leave. I would rate her as a 6 , but she has many features I like despite her rabbit teeth. There was also a certain easiness in the way we have bonded for a first meeting , which doesn't happen to me that often. Although it's hard to be sure , I believe it was reciprocal.

This is the first time I game a married woman. She lives in a country neighboring Albania and is orthodox and slavic (I ve never understood how to game albanian women so I gave up)
I should be on my guards always as we can never trust women and there is no need to get carried away when you don't know someone well.

But it seems that gaming married woman vs gaming unmarried woman when you are married ( and in the case both have kids) has many advantages :

1) We both have kids so we know how it is to have a career , a partner , and few time for yourself , and the tensions which can appear in a couple because of young children
2) We are more tolerant to each other's weaknesses as we know that overall , it is difficult to have an extremely happy wedding and regulated life centered around family vs being a solo hunter
3) The "discretions" of the meetings can lead to a little excitement about being careful not to get caught
4) It s like trading USD vs EUR , it can move a bit , but when married and a girl is not and doesnt want a married man , it s like trading zimbabwean dollar vs EURo , unless the man gives millions and is brad pitt , there wont be any economical relation.

Past these considerations , I found the girl very reliable , she contacted me before knowing that I would leave , she managed to find one hour for me and we had a very nice conversation. No oneitis or love in sight , but it is always good to have a respected connection in order to escalate for a future bang.
Basically , we have almost same life story , and it appears that her husband is perfect (and i guess displaying the same personality and qualities than me with my wife) apart from sex so she is considering after a few years to get more action on that side. She admitted having cheated once with a "long-time friend" before he moved to another country.

The only lie i gave is that I have never cheated.

I saw her yesterday morning , and since that I am wondering what to write her. She gave me her personal number and actually deleted herself on the website we met , as she was "assaulted by many guys". My instinct can be wrong , but i dont want to fuck it up as I believe she is a girl of my level and our personalities can fit for a long term fuck festival.So in other words , I have a good feeling about that. Probably my legendary french flair.

I am thinking to contact her only for New Year , since it is a way to keep artificially neutral feelings. From there , as i believe she will answer me hte same , I will mention quickly that I have enjoyed the moment with her and look forward to meet again in a relatively close future.

Does that sound good or it s too defensive ? The last thing i want is to lose this contact. I might have 1 or 2 windows maximum a year to see her , so i have to be careful. But I am thinking this could be a good long term option. I also want her to understand that I am interested in her.

Additionally , I am tired of immature women who are single.