Post: #201

And a fucking killer post that should go down in the history books, by Spaniard88...

Everyone should review this when choosing a woman to be LTR...

(09-10-2018 11:22 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Couldn't agree more, Yankee. Here's a cheat sheet for all the high IQ guys here who can't put 2 and 2 together when it comes to high quality girls.

1. When you're having lunch at your place, and your glass is empty, does she get up and refill it? Does she even refill her own glass?

2. When she sees you cracking pistachios open, does she take the bag away from you and start cracking them for you, or does she take the bag away and start cracking them open for herself?

3. When you try to give her money, does she immediately take it, and maybe even ask for more, or does she say thank you, but declines?

4. Does she tell you to buy her pricey gifts? Or does she instead tell you not to buy her pricey gifts and instead encourages you to save your money for the wellbeing of your future children?

5. Does she argue with you in public, or does she gracefully leave the matter for a private discussion later?

6. When there's a disagreement, does she raise her voice, or does she stay calm?

7. Does she know when your birthday is? And when your birthday comes, in the weeks prior, does she spend large amounts of time making custom gifts for you like a cake with an image of your favorite pastime on it that she drew herself, or a video montage that took days of editing to complete, for example?

8. Does she think she's the luckiest girl in the world when she's around you?

9. Are you the man that can help her accomplish her goals in life, to get her where she wants to be, and vice versa?

10. Does she have self-respect?

There you go. Type that list up on a small piece of paper and store it in your pocket protectors.

Refer to it every so often, it could save you from a lot of self-inflicted difficulties in life.

Post: #202

Damn I'm the only one posting in this thread, haha.

This one by Cr33pin is great, really inspired me to pull the trigger and book that trip...

(09-23-2018 09:43 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Thats a plus one from me

One great thing about this forum was me meeting cool guys all over the world who left shitty situations behind and ventured out in the world to pursue a life worth living.... I have much respect for men that take that plunge. Most of the guys I know back here in Murica in my hometown all settled for the first job they got (which they hate) settled down with the first girl that gave them the time of day (who they hate) and live miserable lives. They are to scared of the unknown to dare try to make any changes to their miserable existences.

I have no sympathy for those afraid of mystery

Post: #203

(09-23-2018 10:20 PM)louiebeans Wrote:  Damn I'm the only one posting in this thread, haha.

This one by Cr33pin is great, really inspired me to pull the trigger and book that trip...

(09-23-2018 09:43 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Thats a plus one from me

One great thing about this forum was me meeting cool guys all over the world who left shitty situations behind and ventured out in the world to pursue a life worth living.... I have much respect for men that take that plunge. Most of the guys I know back here in Murica in my hometown all settled for the first job they got (which they hate) settled down with the first girl that gave them the time of day (who they hate) and live miserable lives. They are to scared of the unknown to dare try to make any changes to their miserable existences.

I have no sympathy for those afraid of mystery

Where to, Louie? And for how long? One way, or a couple of weeks? What's the game plan?

Post: #204

(09-23-2018 11:14 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Where to, Louie? And for how long? One way, or a couple of weeks? What's the game plan?

First place is a beach somewhere in Mexico for a few weeks. Just gonna relax, turn my phone off, and read a few good books. After that I'm gonna explore Mexico and Colombia. My game plan for this year is travel more, work on my game, and figure out what my new job will be.

Any recommendations for a low-cost beach spot? I'm not really looking to party, the main goal is to relax, eat good, and hit gym. After that I will have some fun in a nice city for a couple weeks, then figure out my next move.

Post: #205

(09-24-2018 03:02 PM)louiebeans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 11:14 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Where to, Louie? And for how long? One way, or a couple of weeks? What's the game plan?

First place is a beach somewhere in Mexico for a few weeks. Just gonna relax, turn my phone off, and read a few good books. After that I'm gonna explore Mexico and Colombia. My game plan for this year is travel more, work on my game, and figure out what my new job will be.

Any recommendations for a low-cost beach spot? I'm not really looking to party, the main goal is to relax, eat good, and hit gym. After that I will have some fun in a nice city for a couple weeks, then figure out my next move.

Yucatan is cheap and has lots of coastline, less violence than the rest of Mexico, but I prefer to avoid Mexico at the moment. You could be fine, though, just depends on your risk tolerance.

But yeah, Yucatan has beaches and is not as violent as other parts of Mexico.

Post: #206

(06-06-2015 06:38 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I like my women how I like my coffee. With no pubic hairs.

Post: #207

(09-18-2018 03:53 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I got 99 problems but a small dick ain't one.

Post: #208

(09-27-2018 12:14 AM)scotian Wrote:  I got on a hot stinky bus in colombia once and took the second last seat at the back of the bus which had a row of four seats. I took the spot next to a young dude because the other spot was next to a fat old sweaty bitch. The last person to get on the bus had no option other than to sit between me and the fat lady, it turned out to be a cute 18 year old slim black girl, my favourite type. As we left the station, she started talking to me, the ride soon got rough and we had to hold onto each other. Long story short over the next three hours I was making out with her and finger banging her pussy hole. I then fucked her brains out for ten straight days, she had nowhere to be but on my gringo cock.

Moral of the story: make the move

Something very similar happened to me with a 19 year old in the Philippines but I didn’t nail her until the next day. They were two of the top ten hottest girls I’ve fucked in my life.

Post: #209

I genuinely feel like if she is not interested in the first few seconds, it is a waste of time.

-a beer is enough

Post: #210

(09-29-2018 05:40 PM)Tactician Wrote:  Why was it so easy for you to start this thread? It seems every other RVF member thought to themselves, "is this thread I want to start adding any value to the forum?" but you posted this garbage in a couple of seconds.

Post: #211

(09-30-2018 04:45 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  

UPDATE:

I did it!

I bought that one-way ticket to the Philippines, leaving this January!

I decided I'm going to break free from the trap of overplanning and dreaming about something vs. just going for it.

Roosh recently wrote a great article Comfort Will Not Give You Meaning In Life. After reading this, as well as much of your advice, I realized I'm being controlled by the pursuit of meaningless comfort. I'm obsessing about earning great money online, so I can seamlessly go from living and earning here, to living and earning in paradise. No more.

I don't care if I struggle financially for months, or years pursuing it. My basic needs will be getting met, and I will enjoy the process. If I fail and have to come back, What did I really lose?

Anyways, Thanks everyone for the advice. I hope this helps inspire some of the many young men who feel they are in the same boat.

Post: #212

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  Framing validation is more important than looks, money, and status. It is the most important aspect of game, in my opinion. Everything changed when I started to withhold my validation and framed myself as the validator and started prompting women to make an effort before rewarding them.

Frame is like a prison to women. They cannot escape it no matter how hot they are. Frame is why fat women are able to control entire social groups of hot women.

And:

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  When I learned frame game, I started to change my goal whenever I would go out. Instead of having the goal to get laid, I would make it a goal to get 20 rejections. For me, getting rejected 20 times was more important than any single interaction. I was on a mission of masculinity. I figured if I am going to waste my time chasing pussy, I might as well frame it as a worthy mission.

When I changed my frame, women suddenly opened up to me way more than when I had the intent to just get laid. Opening a set while being emotionally distant and having a goal of meeting my quota for 20 rejections almost made me rejection proof. It's like women could sense I didn't care about their validation or even a positive reaction.

And:

(09-29-2018 04:23 PM)masta Wrote:  Other ways I have implemented my new frame would be fast escalation. My frame is I am practicing overcoming my inner bitch. I'm not trying to win her approval. Because I am emotionally distant and completely unreactive, she is more likely to be attracted to me. And as soon as she gives me compliance (female value), I reward her with plausible deniability (let's go back to my place and watch netflix).

And:

(09-30-2018 06:12 AM)masta Wrote:  Why are we threatened by self belief? Lack of self belief is the number culprit of all of our problems.

You would not be here...


Read that again....And you know I am speaking truth....

You would not be in this forum if you had self belief.

At some point, you betrayed yourself.

You know in your heart of hearts that if you loved yourself in every way, the most beautiful women would show up. That shit always happens.

There are fucked up people in this world....and there are beautiful people.


99% of people on this forum are not beautiful. We are lacking in integrity to some degree....including myself.

If I truly loved myself 100% I would not be here.

So besides from "frame game", the number 1 principle is self love.

If you loved yourself 100%, you would have very little problems in life.

And don't fucking bullshit me. You know what I am talking about.

You know what you need to do. Just do it. Do it for you. If you do everything for you, it would solve everything.........Because after all.....

You cannot love anyone unless you love yourself.

The extent of how much in love you can be or even how much you can love a woman depends on how much you love yourself.

If you truly love yourself..you will fall in love. You will find your mirror reflection.

And:

(10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:  I call it expression over impression. Instead of trying to impress women, simply express your personality. It's the art of not giving a damn.

And:

(10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:  My goal is 100% self expression. This is how you build your self esteem. Anything less is self betrayal. If I can leave a set knowing that I was truly authentic, then I consider that a win. It doesn't matter what the results are. And I end up weeding out all the fake people and meet alot of high quality authentic people. My goal is not to get laid. My frame is more like I am weeding out all the unworthy women. If I am going to have a rotation of 2-3 women, they might as well be good people.

And:

(10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:  Appreciation is a direct result of having value. And the act of appreciation is offering women that value. You can turn an ice queen into a giddy little girl if you can show appreciation for her genuine self. In fact if my brain was erased and I could only remember once thing in game, I would choose appreciation. It can can an interaction 180 degrees as soon as she realizes you like the real life. You give her self esteem with your genuine appreciation.

You cannot value anyone unless you value yourself first. So by showing appreciation, you are indirectly saying "Hey I am a high value guy".

Low value people supplicate and try to impress, while high value people appreciate and express themselves.

Just wanted to point out these great contributions by new forum member masta from this thread.

I encourage people to go read his full posts in that thread instead of "just" the quotes I put here. Inspirational stuff.

Post: #213

Thanks Going strong!

(09-16-2018 08:54 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:57 PM)iop890 Wrote:  I was too late and had to settle for the ebook & audiobook like a peasant. SAD!

Hard times indeed for iop890: first he misses physical delivery of my bottles of Veuve Clicquot (lost in the Florence hurricane), then he can't get the physical, printed Roosh's Game book!

I mean, iop should be reading Game, contentedly turning pages while sipping on my champagne, but no, he's drinking lukewarm soda while squinting at a kindle e-book screen.

Not all is lost though, my friend: if you ever go to Paris, you'll have champagne and Roosh's books waiting for you at my home!

Meanwhile, about Roosh and Game, this meme comes to mind:



I mean, by all accounts, Roosh's Game book is to the War on Men, what young Roosevelt's (stunning first) book was to Naval War. An instant, seminal, reference.

Post: #214

(09-18-2018 06:46 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 12:27 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 11:15 AM)Going strong Wrote:  This strong woman passed out because she was over-stressed by your patriarchal attitude (you made her wait in the lobby, like she's a sub-servant or some, no doubt you'd have interviewed a man right away in your office), and shocked at discovering the sexist salary you were proposing her (no doubt you'd have offered twice as much to a male applicant).

In 35 years, this woman will remember her ordeal at your hands, and, though unclear on the exact location, tell the media. She'll probably add that, she passed out "because you had your patriarchal hand over her mouth", and "she even thought you'd smother her by mistake" Plus, the ominous, threatening and phallic way, your boat is pointing at her, added to her suffering.

This is art.

And I didn't even talk about the big poster image displayed at the forefront of your (sexist) shop, this unbearable image of (non-vegan) father and son fishing side by side (with MAGA caps? and why no daughter?), proudly claiming "generations" of disregard for women's (and fishes') rights. Plus, your boat is not even a zero-emission electric Tesla boat, no doubt it runs on fossil fuel

All of this completely justifies that this poor woman, surrounded by such evil, patriarchal forces, would pass out in shock and dismay. Get ready for a civil lawsuit, possibly Senate hearing.

Post: #215

(09-08-2018 10:15 PM)Going strong Wrote:  In any case, people like this PussySniff dude, do harm to the forum and Western foreigners in general.

I mean, if you were a Filipino man reading the forum, or God forbid an official in President Duterte's government, or any normal people come to think of it, what would you think when you read the post of a foreign traveler who gloats about having poor "slum-rodent" Filipina chicks (in pursuit of small or big dreams) come straight to his hotel room, and then about how he makes them lick his shoes on entering his apartment, and then how he makes them wipe their faces with his soiled toilet paper? I mean, talk about giving us foreigners bad press.

So people like PussySniff are a danger for the community, but I take solace in the (mean ) thought that they are also a danger to themselves and will someday have karma fall, heavily, onto them.

That is of course assuming PussySniff is not a sad, virgin thirteen years old writing from his mum's basement ; because the way he describes his interactions with women, well, it sounds false, something out of teen virgin phantasms. Women, even poor ones, that you met one minute before and on entering your room they lick your shoes and then you hand them soiled toilet papers? Sure

But if you do exist in the real world, PussySniff, well: you should think about your life and values, hard, and change your ways. To begin with, and it should be worth of its own thread, if you disrespect a people, do not live in their home country. Fuck off to your own country if you despise the (male or female) natives of the land where you have chosen to go.

Post: #216

This one by ksbms is hidden due to the direction this thread went, but this diagram is a hidden wonder.

The process of being called out of the world in a diagram:

(05-15-2018 05:57 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 04:29 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Day 23: This will be a brief post about yesterday. I went out after seeing some comments on this thread to talk to girls in the park (it was wet and rainy) I resolved to do 10 approaches. The first approach was the best one (yet again), but I will say this: having a conversation where you express your interest in her, is like a foreign language to me (and I'm not good with languages). Man, the blowouts here are major, and they deflate my ego, even though I'm trying to loose it completely. There is noone out in Belgrade when it rains, so I only managed 4 approaches. I was sitting in the rain trying to get to 10, but after 5 minutes in the rain, no girls walked by, so I called it quits.

Study the below diagram carefully and answer yourself which stage you are in. Also, I'd recommend the book by Joseph Campbell based on it. Krauser also wrote a post about it. Can you walk into the belly of the whale, Dragan?

Post: #217

(09-24-2015 06:37 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  The Handsome Prince and The Most Curious Turd

You're a Handsome Prince walking in the gardens of a palace, enjoying the sunlight, the warm air, and the scent of the flowers, all the while dreaming of the copious bounty of beauty that awaits you later tonight at the Grandest Ball of the season.

You hear an impolite, grating cough, and look down at your feet.

There, in your the path is a sizeable, still-steaming turd. Oddly, it's wearing a tiara. You can't help but wince, as the smell is terrible.

"How dare you wrinkle your nose in my presence, peasant scum!" the turd says, in an accusatory tone.

You're most surprised at being berated by the turd, and the bilious quality of its speech only adds to the unpleasant stench. As such, you don't really know what to say in response.

The turd, however, wasn't waiting for one.

"I am the most beautiful, glamorous Princess in the land, desired and envied by all! Uneducated, lower class Peons like you aren't fit to breath my rarified air! Begone from my sight!"

This confuses you even more, and you simply have to state the obvious. "Don't you realise you're just a giant turd?"

"How dare you! I'm beautiful! You're the one who is made of manure. You! Not me! Obviously, you would see this if you didn't possess such a deep and problematic hatred of Princesses."

"But your tiara is made from chunks of corn."

"You're just saying that because you're jealous of my beauty! Look yonder at my beloved Prince who chose me as his Future Queen! If I were a mere bowel movement, then I would never be chosen by such a Handsome Prince as he! Why, the very idea is literally-absurd, and, as such, our storybook marriage is proof that all turds... I mean Princesses!... are secretly-desired by Princes, and, as such, should feel fully-entitled to be chosen by one herself."

You look over to where the turd is motioning, (as well as a turd can do), and shrug in response. "That's only the still-puckering rear end of a horse."

"Harassment! Blaggards like you aren't fit to receive my royal wisdom! Guards! Guards! Off with his head!"

You could argue further with the turd, but you realise it just makes far more sense to hold your nose very tightly and step over such a silly creature.

It feebly expels a peanut from its mass in your direction as you lave. The last thing you hear as you turn the corner of the path, leave its sight forever: "It'll make me a better ruler when I am Queen!"

You continue on your way, soon-distracted by the heady perfume of the flowers and the giggling of the beautiful maidens walking ahead of you. As such, you quickly forget the curious and belligerent turd, other than thinking of it as being a potential source of great comedy should anyone slip in it.

Far behind you on the path, the turd dries and crackles in the sun.

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Post: #218

(09-13-2017 02:56 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  When I'm in a country where the women treat me well and the standard of living is low, I have no issue dropping cash. I will pay for dates, drinks, movies, hotels, even vacations.

When I'm in Western countries I expect the women to pay their own way. They don't have families to support or any real hardships. They have tons of economic opportunity around them and I know that I sometimes come across as cheap to some of them. I don't care much because they rarely treat me like anything special and they often lack in femininity as well. So... it's like tipping. Why tip a high paid waiter for bad service!

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Post: #219

(01-19-2017 07:08 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Gather rounds boy and girls while Uncle Cr33pin tells you about the most intense orgasm he ever had an will ever have.

It all started with me chatting with some fairly well known young hoe on the Aol. I find out shes pretty freaky so I line it up for her to sneak out of her house one night and meet me and my homie. In case you couldn't tell from the AOL reference this story took place in the long long ago...when Uncle Cr33pin dabbled in recreational drugs. So my and my homie, lets call him Adam.. we pop some extacy. We then proceed to walk about a mile and a half to meet this young hoe for the first time (my tags was dead on my whip.) The rondayvoo point was a school playground near where this girl lived... so me and Adam make it to the playground an we are rolling face from the drugs and just enjoying life, then about 15 minutes later we see small shadowy figure emerge at the edge of the playground. So we introduce ourselves an decide its best not to be out in the open at the playground an head for a little section of woods near the school. This girl is hot... tight body, played softball for her school.. let's call her Molly. So we get up in the woods and me and Adam are still rolling hard and making friendly chit chat like we plan to marry this girl an think shes a angel (MDMA makes you happy af) Finally I recommend she removes her clothes, to which she replies "Are you gong to help me?" This finally snaps me into bang mode... so we all strip down and are making out an then Adam proceeds give Molly the ol college try, I proceed to get a BJ whilst he is fucking her... in our drug induced stupor we forget to bring condoms so Adam is just unprotected all up in them guts... this goes on for awhile, until Adam pulls out and nuts on some bushes.. Then she ask me if I am going to fuck her and even in my drugged up state I know that getting Molly pregnant would be frowned upon by anyone and everyone I know. So I reply "I don't have any condoms, but I will fuck you in the ass." To which she says "It will hurt" Then I lie threw my teeth and inform her that it won't... she agrees. So I slide in the old poot chute and start banging this chick.. an then it happens. Fucking chest shaking thunder strikes and it awakens something inside me I have never felt before. I start looking around and I'm in the woods, I'm up in some hot girl I never met befores ass raw, an I just start feeling primal. Like a fucking caveman, so I start pounding the shit (no pun intended) out this girl and its fucking amazing, then some more thunder strikes an I grab her hair an pull her head back so my mouth is close to her ear an say "You hear that thunder girl, thats me cumming!" Then I shove her face down in the dirt and proceed to make sounds and growls I never herd before or knew I could make. Adam gets scared an tells me to calm down to which I reply "shut up!" I was making some crazy war cry sounds that would make Shaka Zulu proud... then I had the absolute most intense orgasm I have ever had.. I mean no orgasm in my life has ever come close (kind of a bummer) An we walk her back to the playground hug and shit and start to walk back to my place an its starts pouring down the rain but I didn't give fuck.

After this experience this girl was mine... I owned her soul. There was nothing she wouldn't do for me for the next three or four years. When I got a new gf and tried to end it with this chick she stalked me for close to a year. Sitting in the alley behind my house all night. Trashing my gfs car every time she stayed over. Doing some strange and crazy shit...

Sometimes I think I live the way I do cause I'm chasing that feeling... I want to recreate that primal intensity that I felt that night, but it never happens and never will.

Up until I left my hometown all my friends would make jokes whenever it thundered....

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Post: #220

(10-10-2018 03:06 PM)Ferrari Wrote:  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vzq08zKoNQ

(10-10-2018 03:39 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I probably caught HIV just listening to this.

Post: #221

The moment a chick starts with "the Lord this, and the Lord that" I'm OUT.

-Timoteo

Post: #222

AnonymousBosch on artists selling out:

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I hear at least 3-4 albums a year that are refreshing and challenging, and they're usually independent or from small time labels. It's hard for original and well produced music to go unnoticed nowadays. It may be more difficult for musicians to make a living, and perhaps that's what your dark ages comment is referring, but I believe it's easier nowadays for true talent to be recognized and appreciated. I wouldn't call it a golden age of music, but I'm really content with the amount of new, high-quality music that is available to the public.


Look, it's music. Highly-personalised reaction for each person, so I can only speak for myself. I'll clarify:

Age is a big part of this. I'm 43. I have literally heard it all before by now. I have 4,000 records across multiple genres in my collection, and I have actively listened to every single one, which means, I invested multiple listens into each album, learning from each what works, and what doesn't. Sometimes I'd initially hate a record, and closer listening would expand my horizons, and I'd end up loving it.

I'm entirely self-taught. My family was too poor for any kind of lessons. Albums were my university. They're how I learnt to write and arrange music. I explored everything. I want music that actively-challenges me as a listener, and makes me question the construction and how it works. I'm a mechanic, considering songs as engines.

As such, what is new and ground-breaking to some ears is simply familiar parts to me, or, most often, a poorer-quality copy of a better engine. Hell, guys were praising new new wave in another thread. I've lived through *three* revivals of this by now. ('95, '00, '05).

This is how I hear music, and why it bores me, because it's not just this chord progression, but all of them. (And it's easy to disguise and put your unique stamp on any of them, but younger musicians are gradually losing this ability because they're amateurs).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

My issues with the modern indie scene (the williamsburgh upper class hobbyists), which is at odds to the 70's-80's indie scene I grew up with (pissed off poor kids sleeping on floors):

- comfort and privilege produces lousy art. There's no depth there. Wonder where all the political songs have gone? Wonder why even the 'challenging' stuff wouldn't sound out of place backing a car commercial or playing in a coffee shop? It's all so goddamn polite, and when it's supposedly-challenging or confronting, (Animal Collective, MGMT's 2nd album), it's *still* goddamn polite.

- homogeneous influences means no unexpected influences to make the music more interesting. Hipsters know the Approved Rock Canon and draw from that alone. Here's Springsteen again. Here's Radiohead. Yawn. Hacks imitate. Artists combine from influences into something new.

- a lack of intellectual curiosity in general, which means you don't get the cross-pollination of higher art (novels, artwork, art films), informing the work any more. There's little to take away from an album. Most likely it's solipsism and navel-gazing, which surprises me, considering how much the 70's singer-songwriter genre was reviled.

- self-awareness of cool - bands won't risk bringing in the influences that haven't already been critically-acclaimed for risk of looking uncool in front of the audience and hip reviewers.

- hobbyist status means the musicianship isn't there, they don't understand how to construct a song in an interesting and unusual way, they don't understand the pull of chords, or how to use extended chords to create interest through *subversion of expectations*.

- the band isn't forged in fire from playing hundreds of live shows.

- the audience is homogeneous. They also know the signifiers of cool, and there is no longer an antagonistic relationship between artist and audience, that produces great bands when thrown into an aggressive pit of wolves and forced to win them over. Go to any hipster venue, and the audience is largely posing and doing the I-Phone thing, with the band as a backdrop. If they don't like you, they don't physically-threaten you with having your arse kicked if you don't stop playing 'faggot music'.

- they have no artistic integrity to sell out. It's expected to have brand managers and be talked about by tech companies as being an 'emotional content providers'.

They're hardly the CBGB's crowd, pissed off and alienated and criticising what they hated about society. They're not the English Futurists, who were squatting in inner-city urban decay under a layer of concrete namedropping J.G. Ballard and using synthesisers to paint the dehumanised future they thought was inevitable. They're not US indie and punk kids of the 80's, touring small venues, connecting with other alienated kids screaming 'wake up!'

There's no intelligence , critical thinking or rebellion in modern indie: it's simply comfortable upper middle class music - perfect for the modern university drone to listen to on their desired branded portable music player of choice whilst feeling smug and hip about their 'unusual' taste, which has taken no real effort to seek out and discover, which helps feed their narcissistic construct as an Unique And Special 'Good Person'.

Modern Indie Music is music for Cultural Marxists. Buying anything Pitchfork recommends is lazy consumerism, with all the expended effort of signing a Change.Org petition. A lazy signifier of refined taste, and the lie of being somehow more awake and aware than the rest of the population, which means Arcade Fire is just the Huffington Post and Tame Impala is The Atlantic. Fuck it entirely. I wouldn't want to share a beer with any of the these bands. Why why won't any of them react against it and rock the boat? Fear of social consequences? Or - most likely - fear of advertising money vanishing.

So, what happened to Punk and 80's Indie Rock, particularly now it's tame enough to be on Broadway with Green Day? It's Roosh. It's Aurini. Forney. Mike over at D&P. The CH crew. Tuthmosis' eating disorders article. Each of us on here in these threads. Pissed off guys questioning everything, hating the lie we've been sold, but with the advantage of lacking the true nihilism of punk that we can improve ourselves.

Post: #223

From the "Primer on Nightclubs for Introverted Newbs" thread - WIA drops in another masterpiece of a post. This post in particular is for introverted newbs who want to try out night game in the nightclubs.

Primer on Nightclubs for Introverted Newbs

(03-22-2015 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  1. Why Night Game?
Even though Night game is a shadow of what it once was, partially because of the internet and because of Clubs that are moving to Tables for Whales, Night Game is where I think everyone should learn game.

Night game offers a concentration of impulsive lizards waiting and wanting a bit of dick in their lives. Make no mistake, that's why they're there. Every last one of em can buy some 2 Buck Chuck and drink on the solo. They go for the liquor, music, lights, excitement, and TO BE HIT ON BY GUYS. The warpaint is on, the heels shod, and the bitch shields up.

- hot chicks
- impulsive chicks
- chicks who are happy because of the music and vibe
- drunk/high chicks
- lots of chicks, all dressed to be sexy
- They're going to be in bed with or without you in 3-4 hours

Ideal night game situations allow you to get in a lot of approaches, build up your tolerance, destroy your approach anxiety, and have a reasonable chance of having sex within 3-5 hours.

2. Night Game vs Day Game

In defense of day game
- chicks aren't *as* made up
- the bitch shields *can* be lower. (but lizards get approached and catcalled all day if they're attractive)
- it's low investment

That being said, Day Game doesn't typically give you that night game ease, unless it's particular environments.

3) The Day Game Density Exceptions

"Big City Square" - in NYC it's Union Square, elsewhere in the Americas you have to find yourself close to a college campus. Very few places have that day time density comparable to a decent night club. This usually lacks a key ingredient for inhibition unleashment...alcohol

"The Beach" - the boardwalk can be a good look
"The day time concert/festival with lots of drinking"
"A good higher end shopping mall on the weekend"

There are other examples, but usually you don't get night time opportunities during the day.

4) Night Game - Bars v. Clubs

Clubs serve alcohol. Bars often have DJ's.

What really separates a Bar from a Club is whether or not people are dancing.

The major advantage to going to a Dance club over a bar is that

1) girls feel sexual when they dance (dancing is all about showing fertility)

2) if you can dance, you can -
a) put your hands on her,
b) lead her around,
c) get social proof
d) they pass out Ferraris for the best guy on the dance floor*

*not true

5) Types of bars and clubs

Bars
- Dives and Neighborhood joints - sometimes on the corner, sometimes in a strip mall - this is where you go for local tang and cougars.

- Hotel Bars - speaking of cougars, keep an eye out for the conventions coming to town. You'll always find some randy bitches @ the Hampton Inn. A chick sitting alone at a hotel bar is looking for sex. (but she may also be a pro(stitute) so keep that in mind as well.

- Sports Bars - this is where you go to watch sports. I've seen guys run here, but in general a sports bar is a sausage fest.

- the Bar with a dance floor and DJ - This is ideal in my opinion, because essentially you have a small make shift club. Easy to see everyone, easy to get to and from the bar, probably has a smoking area. And in general, people dress down a little. You won't get the hottest of the hotties, but more than enough cuties and chicks with good bodies go to these places

- Hip Bars/Hipster Bars - Usually packed. This is where you're going to cut your teeth in terms of game if you can't dance.

- High End Bars/Mixology/Bar @ a Hip Restaurant - This is where you go custom suited down. Chances are you can't be Team No Appetizer here either. Less dense, and the chicks split between gold diggers, hotties, scenesters and foodies.

Clubs

- Small Local clubs - have small time usually not as hot chicks. But trawl these when you're coming up

- The Typical club - less than 500 people, 1 dj, possibly a VIP area

- The Mega Club - multiple levels, dress code, cover charge, expensive drinks

- Vegas - I don't need to say more.

With that in mind, I'd say beginners should focus on
- smaller bars
- smaller clubs

6. How you should learn night game

a) Go out multiple times a week.
- helps you get used to it
- see who goes out every night
- find all the good venues and great dj's

b) Focus your energy between Sunday and Thursday
- I've said it before, if a chick is drinking Whisky Sours on a Tuesday night, she ain't doing shit Wednesday morning. Why should you allow her to sleep alone?

- There's always some really good stuff going on during the week.

When you think about it, most clubs make their rent from 11-2 am Friday and Satuday. So 24 hours pays for the entire month. Everything else they do is gravy.

Not as popular stuff happens during the week, but chicks who go out for AfroPop Thursdays or Bloody Indy Sundays are not your average type chicks. They're usually not the typical basic Ugg wearing, pumpkin spice latte bitches that you normally meet on a Friday night.

c) go solo
- your boys will slow you down, especially if they're not into the game
- you'll learn a whole lot more

d) don't drink (a lot)
- being hungover sucks
- being sharp helps you when you talk to these broads and not get caught up

I'd say it's a 2 beer max, and nurse that mf'er.

7. Prep for the night game

- you should already be taking care of yourself, eating right, exercising, lifting heavy, sprinting, vitamins
- you should already have a good hair cut, clipped nails, a sparkling fresh mouth
- you should ideally have your own place, your own car/reliable transportation

The thing you might not have is appropriate clothes.

If you've got some guns, a fitted dress shirt, polo, or nice white t-shirt will show off your merchandise.

Otherwise, you need to figure out what people are wearing and either dress the best you can in that style or adopt a recognizable style. Night Game as a newb is not really the place to wear a Top Hat or feather boa. Once you get the vibe in your city, that's when you can spice things up.

To figure out what to wear, I suggest that you go to club websites and see what the guys are wearing. All the Parties comes to mind. Just heading to the mall and hoping the cute chubby girl @ Express for Men will hook you up is asking for trouble.

- house should be clean, smelling good
- bathroom is immaculate
- alcohol, weed, pills, chocolate chip cookies...whatever your vice is, should be stocked
- condoms in the wallet/pocket
- even if you don't take your shoes off when you enter your spot, temporarily do it so when a broad comes through, she takes her shoes off. (social convention is great for some things)
- no clocks anywhere

8. The Night Of

So you found a cool club night on Thursday. You can afford to be a little tired Friday morning, no big deal.

Going into it, you know that the chicks there are cool with a bang that night with the right guy.

And guess what, you're Mr. Right.

Spot is prepped. You looking dope. Smelling like new cologne. Jamming your favorite hype music.
You're gonna drive there, take a cab, or public transport.
If you meet a chick and she's good to go, you know what to do.
If she's into you, but needs more time, you have a bounce location between the club and your house in mind.

9. The Club Itself

For Newb Players
- meet and greet
- get the lay of the land

Emergency Exits in case them boys wanna start shooting?
Where is the bathroom?
Are there couches for chilling?
Where's the dance floor?
where's the bar?
Where's the smoking area?
Where's parking?

You want to know where you can move a chick around while you're in the club.
Most of the chicks you deal with and end up banging come to the club with people. So sometimes you gotta pull the baby gazelle from the rest of the herd.

10. For the long term players, you want to lock down the spot, and then build a circuit

The Lock down - meet and greet the door guy, bouncer, bartender, and waitress
The Circuit - see if you can find the promoter or dj. Get their info, and see where else they spin/promote. Now you'll know where to find similar girls, and might be able to leverage your way into the scene.

11) Club Timeline

In many places club hours are between 10-2. When a club closes @ 4/6, people still leave earlier than that.

Now most clubs i've been to open the doors @ 8/9.
No one really starts getting there until after 10.
By 11:30 the line is there and the dj is starting to play good stuff, but not the most hype.
12:00 the chicks are getting tipsy and probably dancing
1:00 pm - peak at the club typically, and chicks start to leave.

1:50 am - the scramble, dudes who ain't got nothing for the night start to get bold and come off the wall.
2:00-2:10 - if you close the club this is when you walk out
2:10-2:30 - last ditch effort to pull a chick. Also time to do some parking lot pimping if you shined up the Chevy Cobalt previously.

So as a new player, you might want to get their early.
As a vet trying to lock a new place down, you get their early to connect with folks

But if you're a true bachelor, you show up Around 11 ish to get at the chicks after the alcohol kicks in and the dancing is starting.

12) Your approach to the game

Everyone has a different approach, a different mindset, a different set of assumptions.

I know that a man can talk his way into pussy. So I know I can convert a reluctant girl.

But you might not think that way, you might think that a man can only screen a girl to see if she's down to fuck him that night.

It doesn't matter. Just know what your basic assumptions are and test them.

With that in mind, I offer 3 ways to handle your BI.

The Spam Approach - talk to every chick there and see what's up.

The RSD/Boomerrang approach - Talk to every set for 2-5 minutes, get phone #'s and get the logistics for every girl. You'll know quickly if you have some chemistry with a chick. You'll also know fairly quickly if she lives by herself around the corner....

After working the room, pick one chick - hottest? most in to you? best logistics? - and focus on her. Call all the other ones the next day.

The talk to the hottest chick you think you can pull and stay in the set as long ass possible - You can't get good @ the game incrementally, imo. A good opener isn't really good unless it results in a bang.

Lot of guys can open a set, but they don't know enough about the next step in the sequence to get to the promised pussy land. Often they end up changing their openers to make the next steps easier.

Study long, study right!

Whichever method you initially pick, you'll eventually use all of them and then none of them.

13) Run Your Game

This is your black box. I don't know what your game is. Whether it's heavy on compliance, heavy on qualifying, super jokey, lots of kino, observational humor, childish pranks, bemused alpha, stacks of routines - that's up to you and your guru.

The advantages of running game at night means you can be a little more daring, a little more forceful, a little more risque at night without weirding the chick out. And it's typically got enough density that you can try a bunch of things out.

Night Game's looseness benefits all methods.

14) When she's ready - Head on home

You might need to bounce to your bounce location.
You might need some comfort during the drive home, cab ride to her place, on the train...et cetera.

Once she gets to your spot, or you get to hers, and depending on the heat previously generated - commence the hooking up.

If you can sense that she's tense, kiss her and then back off. Up the ante, and then pull back. Tease her until she can't take it anymore.

And then....READ THE BIBLE TOGETHER!

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Feel free to ask questions.

WIA

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Post: #224

From the "Looks vs game" thread, Leonard D Neubache states that game is everything.

(06-23-2017 03:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I've known some fairly ugly dudes that couldn't swing their dick in a crowded room without fucking three women. Those SOBs had game.

Here's the thing. You can be good looking without game and snag a girl. You can even close with a little luck. In fact, you could probably get that girl to commit to you temporarily because she wants to parade you around like a prize poodle in front of her friends. Meanwhile she'll get you to pay for everything and provide you with starfish sex every now and then until the revulsion of being in proximity to something that only looks like a man forces her to cheat on you and treat you like shit until either you leave or she genuinely hates you so much that she actually dumps you (for nooooo reeeeason boo hoo!).

Game is what gets your dick in her ass and her mouth. Game is what puts her on her knees then her back then her feet then her hands then up against the wall. Game is what gets her in lingerie. Game is what gets her to bring a friend.

And game of course is a part of everything else you do in life, from getting good service to negotiating the best deals.

Pity the fool who has looks but refuses to learn game. He might be seen with gorgeous women but behind closed doors he's quite miserable. And his looks will fool him into thinking that he's successful with women when in reality he's barely gotten a peek into the sea of sexual conquest that man can plunder.

If I had to choose between looks and game I would choose game every time.

Every.

Time.

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"Love is looking over various errors." #200

Post: #225

(11-06-2017 03:38 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  I have been going through a tough breakup myself over the past month or so, and here are a few of my thoughts:

The sting of rejection can play havoc with your ego. For me, this girl was beautiful, and reasonable company, and she broke up with me - at the age of 28, the only one ever to do so, and the only one I've been with that I've really liked. She has been on my mind a lot, but when I take a step back and analyse my thoughts about her, they are always conversations about her realising she made a mistake, and me telling her dispassionately that I couldn't now take her back. I don't sit and mope about 'the good times', or how special it was - in fact I'm hard pushed to think of anything that really set her apart from the other girls I've been with (apart from the spectacular fucking). Maybe I had to operate at 30% mentally with her rather than the 25% I'm accustomed to with girls - hardly worth pining over. What really stings is the blow to the ego, and the lack of ready replacement. Recognising that this is a matter of ego, rather than a matter of true tragic loss, allows you to address it for what it is.

To that end, whilst you shouldn't base your self-esteem on the opinion of any individual girl, a rejection can be a valuable form of feedback on where you are at currently. I realised that I manifested many of the unattractive behaviours that are so often listed on this forum - the ones we know turn women off - and whatever her shortcomings, I made mistakes that I can learn from and not make next time around. To that end, my future relationships will improve for the experience, whatever the short term pain, and for that I feel I must be grateful.

Beyond that, when viewed at a level of abstraction, what I feel women often offer as an ideal in the mind of a man is a refuge from the relentless hardness of life. This is largely a lie in practice, but we tie ourselves in knots finding ways to keep the lie alive. We lose the girl, but what hurts us most is the loss of an ideal that allows us to believe that life needn't be quite so difficult and unforgiving. In a sense, we use this ideal of woman to give ourselves an excuse to retreat from the world in a relationship, and in a way to become losers in a socially acceptable way. The solution I have found helpful is to try to accept reality in all its unlovely harshness, and to take the opportunity to become tougher, more worldly, and better equipped to realise the life I should like for myself, which without these tests and the knowledge they provide would not be possible. I have a clear idea of where I'm trying to get to, and I try to look at the setbacks and failures as crucial steps - every bit as essential as the successes - along the path to that ideal I'm striving for.

Finally, if that's all a bit vague and wishy washy, I suggest you look at all the men of 35-45 in the world around you who are tied to some girl or another of a similar sort of age - increasingly paunchy dudes, very many of whom are already done, and are on a slow crawl to the grave. Would you settle for that reality simply because you're infatuated with some girl now? If you have eyes to see you can appreciate how easily you could end up one of those guys because you'll settle for a little comfort and respite whilst it lasts (and it rarely lasts, even if the relationship does). When the girl leaves you to enjoy her last few good years, take a look around you at all the men who were not so lucky, who did not get this stark lesson or who couldn't learn from it when they did, and think, 'There but for the grace of God, go I'.