Post: #1101

(09-08-2018 10:23 PM)Parras Wrote:  I want a submissive, low IQ, traditional woman who takes care of my house and cooks me a nice dinner when I get home from work.

On a serious note, if all you want is a domestic servant and you do NOT think about your offspring, this is the attitude. (But I don't understand why you would marry it and not just hire it out?)

But if you seriously consider having and raising kids, the intelligence of the woman is VERY important. You gotta think about what kind of mother you are giving to your kids, and what kind of built-in firmware they will have from the start.

Heritability is making a comeback in the modern age via 'IQ', but practically everyone in older times recognized it and talked about it all the time. Loosely speaking, the older belief was that intelligence is inherited from the mother and character from the father. It's more or less accurate.

Post: #1102

IQ is 70%-80% heritable. You can expect some regression towards the mean, so if you and your wife are Mensa members, your kids may not qualify, but they will most likely still be well above average.

Post: #1103

Honestly, you guys are way too obsessed with IQ. For real, if I wanted IQ that badly, I'd be with American broads that are more university educated than anywhere else in the world. It's not everything. I understand you don't want to be with someone that's a complete airhead, but to obsess over an IQ stat is a bit nuts to me when the priority should be a feminine women with motherly qualities for potential offspring that you connect/vibe with.

I've dated a serious Filipina in my past that I wouldn't consider to have the highest IQ, yet I considered her much closer to marriage material than a Chinese girl or American girl I dated that both were pretty smart girls. What you guys aren't factoring in is street smarts and attitude towards life. IQ can't measure those. For example, I think my former Filipina girlfriend is probably more resourceful than any girl I have ever dated. The other two weren't bad with money or materialistic, but the Filipina was the best at making her stuff last or putting the most with the least like packing a week's worth of clothes in a bag the size of a purse versus American girls that'd need two bags for the same.

In terms of life attitude, the Filipina was incredibly optimistic even in the worst of situations, leveled out my cynicism towards some things, and really was not one that gave a shit about identity politics or divisive things like that.

I understand some guys on the forum really don't care for Filipinas, but you don't have to use them necessarily. This is just one example of how IQ may not be the be all end all. I have a Bachelor's Degree and I know a friend that has more overall intelligence that doesn't even have a high school diploma than most people I know who get Bachelor's. I learned a lot of game/hustle/bullshit stuff from him when he was in his prime.

My point is there's just other factors that I think you guys making the IQ argument need to consider that can contradict what you're saying...

Post: #1104

I´ve been seeing this girl for a while. Things have been going great etc. She´s from EE, has har own apartment which she owns, car and a good job that pays well. We´ve been talking about living together and I see she is bringing up a lot that she just wants to stay at home, raise kids etc and that work is not for her. She would get depressed blah blah.

I already fell into that trap before, supporting someone and aint ever doing it again. I have told her this exactly. The reaction was not positive. I´m thinking maybe I need to wrap this one up and move along but before I do that I´d be interested in hearing if any others have been in a similar situation and how they handled that and what the outcome was.

Post: #1105

(09-10-2018 10:32 AM)Thor Wrote:  I´ve been seeing this girl for a while. Things have been going great etc. She´s from EE, has har own apartment which she owns, car and a good job that pays well. We´ve been talking about living together and I see she is bringing up a lot that she just wants to stay at home, raise kids etc and that work is not for her. She would get depressed blah blah.

I already fell into that trap before, supporting someone and aint ever doing it again. I have told her this exactly. The reaction was not positive. I´m thinking maybe I need to wrap this one up and move along but before I do that I´d be interested in hearing if any others have been in a similar situation and how they handled that and what the outcome was.

^^^^^
Keep banging her until the wheels fall off. And they probably will fall off sooner rather than later, in my experience anyway, since she needs to move on to her next sucker, I mean option. She's made up her mind and appears to fully locked into provider hunting mode. Not much else you can do since you clearly stated you have zero interest in assuming said provider role. I doubt that you can easily move her into an FWB situation since you seem to have been on the husband track up to this point. Having said that, if you do pull the trigger and get hitched, you may want to investigate as to how an asset disposition and/or alimony would play out legally in your EE country. IOW, would you be entitled to half of her assets: car, apartment, etc. like you would in some US jurisdictions.

Post: #1106

(09-10-2018 09:24 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  My point is there's just other factors that I think you guys making the IQ argument need to consider that can contradict what you're saying...

Couldn't agree more, Yankee. Here's a cheat sheet for all the high IQ guys here who can't put 2 and 2 together when it comes to high quality girls.

1. When you're having lunch at your place, and your glass is empty, does she get up and refill it? Does she even refill her own glass?

2. When she sees you cracking pistachios open, does she take the bag away from you and start cracking them for you, or does she take the bag away and start cracking them open for herself?

3. When you try to give her money, does she immediately take it, and maybe even ask for more, or does she say thank you, but declines?

4. Does she tell you to buy her pricey gifts? Or does she instead tell you not to buy her pricey gifts and instead encourages you to save your money for the wellbeing of your future children?

5. Does she argue with you in public, or does she gracefully leave the matter for a private discussion later?

6. When there's a disagreement, does she raise her voice, or does she stay calm?

7. Does she know when your birthday is? And when your birthday comes, in the weeks prior, does she spend large amounts of time making custom gifts for you like a cake with an image of your favorite pastime on it that she drew herself, or a video montage that took days of editing to complete, for example?

8. Does she think she's the luckiest girl in the world when she's around you?

9. Are you the man that can help her accomplish her goals in life, to get her where she wants to be, and vice versa?

10. Does she have self-respect?

There you go. Type that list up on a small piece of paper and store it in your pocket protectors.

Refer to it every so often, it could save you from a lot of self-inflicted difficulties in life.

Post: #1107

I believe most of us agreed, during the IQ conversation, that IQ really only matters if you want to have kids. Since IQ can be 60% to 80% genetically heretible, and it predicts major positive life outcomes, you should want your kids to have high (at least above average) IQs.

If you don’t want to have kids, then intelligence in a woman is just personal preference - with pros and cons.

Post: #1108

2nd tier Ukraine seems super good for wife hunting. Met one woman who had a medical degree and was working as a gynecologist (imagine the irony if you get a STD from her). And another chick who had a Masters' Degree and was working in IT. Maybe it's easier to get degrees in Ukraine but otherwise these two women must had been smarter than most in their country.

Their claims about their education was corroborated easily when I internet stalked them on Google.

Both of them were super negative about local men (calling them drunks and dumb tradies in a nutshell)


Still these are probably gold diggers who just want to marry a foreign western man for a passport (2nd tier Ukraine seems to rival Africa in lifestyle and I been to Zambia and Zimbabwe!), someone to sponsor her and/or to divorce rape him.

I also suspect these women aren't going to easily give up on their careers either. So you're forced to move to a 2nd tier Ukrainian city that has potholes everywhere and high crime (from local drunks and mentally ill people just cruising the streets all day).


I honestly think I'm still too young to get hitched to a random bish in Ukraine. Maybe when I am in my late 30s or 40s I might be tempted to do a 90 day tour.

Post: #1109

(09-11-2018 01:26 AM)Cam Newton Wrote:  If you don’t want to have kids, then intelligence in a woman is just personal preference - with pros and cons.

There are just cons to dating girls with IQ substantially lower than yours. She doesn't read, think or see anything the same way you do. She doesn't even get the same references from dumb movies.
You can't discuss anything work related with her.

Life is complicated and the way she will choose to go about it will soon start to annoy the living shit out of you. She will miss stuff that will be super obvious to you.

Most of the things "IQ deniers" list can easily be done by a cheap maid and are not IQ but agreeableness related anyway.

Post: #1110

Update on Vietnam:

Been chatting with several good possible canidates for girlfriend/wife shopping, all found via Vietnam Cupid. Quite a few of them are shy due to it being more of a conservative culture, and also because English ability is fairly low. That being said, learning even some basic Vietnamese is something they love. There's a deep sense that if you truly get to try and understand their culture, they are willing to forgive the language issue.

Some interesting tidbits from recent conversations:

Me asking if she likes a man who has a beard or clean-shaven and her response? I prefer a clean shaven man, but with a bearded man, I can still look through the beard hairs and see his character. I thought the way she said that was funny.

Another girl has invited me to her church in Hanoi, which is great, because I'm actually a church-going Christian. It is usually a good sign when a girl goes to church when she is away from her parents, on her own choosing. In this case, her parents live very far away, so she is choosing to be religious on her own. She's also spoken well of her parents and siblings, a good sign of a stable family life.

There are a few other girls I'm speaking with that are also showing promise. I'm wife prospecting in high gear and hope to be in Vietnam by next year to actually start the dating process. If anyone else here is interested in wife searching in Vietnam, hit me up via PM and lets share notes.

Post: #1111

Good update JMK.

But I would strongly advise spending more time on the ground, taking up Vietnamese classes, and do some daygame before committing to one girl. If you have some promising prospects, take them on a few trips with you. From there, you will be able to tell two things that speak volumes: 1) her character, and 2) your compatibility.

Chances are, the good wives you want here are not online. Those who are online put their best foot forward, and I caution that some of these women can be opportunistic and conniving.

Take your time and choose wisely.

P.S. if a girl ever tells you something like “oh you don’t need to learn Viet, I speak good English” ... RUN. Trust me on this. Let’s just say it’s easy for a girl to sound sweet and feminine when speaking English, but in her native tongue she could very well be a cunt and doesn’t want you to know this.

Post: #1112

CleanSlate,

Thanks as always for being a great contributor. You a spot-on that VietnamCupid is representing only a small fraction over the overall single women cohort. I think VietnamCupid, or any other online dating site is just a resource as a window to peer into a culture and interact with the locals, getting a feel for their thinking, and then setting up a pipeline of potential leads to follow-up on once you've landed in-country.

All of the girls I'm talking to online I tell them I'm looking for a serious relationship, and if they a good prospect, that I'm looking to take them on a date once I get to Vietnam. I'm very upfront that I am not their Internet Boyfriend, but rather an interested man who will make up his mind once he had the chance to meet in-person. I think that is the most honest way of treating these girls, as many of them are very genuine and kind souls from what I can tell, and I do not want to lead them on and leave a bad impression of foreigners in their mind.

One thing I really like about Viet girls so far in talking to them is that they are very sweet and thoughtful. They are many leagues ahead of Anglo women in terms of politeness and class. I actually feel a strong desire to respect them because of their kindness, which is such a cultural shock compared to the grating behavior of so many, if not a majority, of Anglo chicks. Vietnamese women are a breath of fresh air online, so my expectations for in-person behavior are high, and can be even higher for girls met through social circle building, not just the online search.

Which leads into the next point you brought up, the need for social circle building. I'm blessed to have known quite a few Vietnamese-Americans who have filled me in on life in Vietnam, the customs, and helping a bit with the language. I'm going to ask them if they know of any girls back in the old country that still fit the traditional mold I'm looking for in a woman. I have a few contacts in Vietnam who are willing to try and help me with my search, but to show I'm earnest, they are encouraging me to get in-country ASAP.

I need to hit the sack now, but thanks again for the pointers, I'll be in touch with you via PM regarding some questions related to social circle building, getting around in Vietnam and if there's anything else I can help with, let me know. I'm giving Vietnam full-speed-ahead on the wife search. If there's anything else I can answer, please let me know.

Post: #1113

General questions for Kane or CleanSlate...

What are the age gap expectations of Vietnamese? I've had a browse through most of those Cupid sites to look at age range expectations, but the issue is that site give people a default age range that many don't change. It seems that the acceptable gap for Vietnamese is generally a bit smaller than typical destinations.

My general observation is that girls around 18 are happy up to about 30 or 35, but I find you can push them a few years if you are a decent catch. Then as soon as they get to around 20-22 they seem to realise they need to lock down a mature guy and push the age range up higher.

How to Vietnamese fair without makeup? They always seem to wear huge amounts that make them look like anime characters.

I will probably be in the vicinity of Vietnam in the second half of 2019.

Post: #1114

Viets generally don’t have any problem dating older guys, and I’ve seen 40+ men with 18-20 year olds. Last time I banged a 19 year old girl here, I was 36-37 at the time. So that’s an 18 year difference right there. My LTR now is 15 years younger than me. I say “generally” because I’ve only come across one girl who had a big problem with only a 10 year difference, so big of a problem that she ghosted on me afterward. But she did seem to have been westernized anyway.

As far as makeup, yeah some girls wear too much and others don’t even use it at all. Most lie in the middle. The ones who go to bars and clubs are usually the ones who put thick layers of makeup, and if you’re wife hunting, you don’t want these girls anyway. The ones you want will use just a little bit. Too much makeup can cause or worsen skin problems as well.

Post: #1115

Ya they don't generally care too much about age gaps. My wife is 21 years younger than me.

As for makeup, depends on the girl. Some of them had bad acne when they were young, for whatever reason.

Post: #1116

Personally I would rather shack up with an accomplished foreigner than a deadbeat gringa- or even a chick who moved to the US and is waiting tables illegally.

It mostly has to do with intellect and class standing.

Eg let’s say you meet a 25 year old law student from Medellin or Mexico City from a good family... she wants to do a masters in the US and her English is good. She applies for scholarships and she gets on a path, independently from you. That would be my ideal case scenario.

But even without the grad school scenario, even if she’s “just” an accomplished person in her own country, she’ll have a sense of dignity that a lot of girls dying to get out simply won’t have.

So yeah: if we are talking wife material that you can eventually bring back, I would definitely focus on highly educated English speakers. Maybe with family already living abroad.

DEFINITELY skip a girl who has never left her country.

Post: #1117

Going to Vietnam for a strong, independent woman who don't need no man, huh? A bold choice Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

Post: #1118

(10-22-2018 05:24 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Update on Vietnam:

Been chatting with several good possible canidates for girlfriend/wife shopping, all found via Vietnam Cupid. Quite a few of them are shy due to it being more of a conservative culture, and also because English ability is fairly low. That being said, learning even some basic Vietnamese is something they love. There's a deep sense that if you truly get to try and understand their culture, they are willing to forgive the language issue.

Some interesting tidbits from recent conversations:

Me asking if she likes a man who has a beard or clean-shaven and her response? I prefer a clean shaven man, but with a bearded man, I can still look through the beard hairs and see his character. I thought the way she said that was funny.

Another girl has invited me to her church in Hanoi, which is great, because I'm actually a church-going Christian. It is usually a good sign when a girl goes to church when she is away from her parents, on her own choosing. In this case, her parents live very far away, so she is choosing to be religious on her own. She's also spoken well of her parents and siblings, a good sign of a stable family life.

There are a few other girls I'm speaking with that are also showing promise. I'm wife prospecting in high gear and hope to be in Vietnam by next year to actually start the dating process. If anyone else here is interested in wife searching in Vietnam, hit me up via PM and lets share notes.

i think in the future the only remaining submissive girls will be muslim or strong catholic girls weilding the veil. better grow a beard and preach islam if you want a proper wife or join jehovas

Post: #1119

I want to bump this thread up because I remember a while back a few of us got into a debate about how important IQ is in a wife. I was one of those that argued that street smarts or emotional intelligence is just as important. Well, a side discussion with some forum members about the possibility of Filipina emotional intelligence got me into a direction to research the topic further. So what I did was look up stats on the most emotionally connected people in the world compared to the highest IQ countries in the world. Here were the results.

IQ

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

EQ

http://www.talentsmart.com/articles/the-...3-p-1.html

The two links above brought up some interesting combined results. Some notables include the following.

Philippines- #83 IQ, #1 EQ
Singapore- #1 IQ, last in EQ
USA- #23 IQ, #6 EQ
Colombia- #69 IQ, #4 EQ
Canada- #16 IQ, #6 EQ
Japan- #4 IQ, #68 EQ
Russia and Ukraine- top 15 IQ, bottom 5 EQ
Spain- #23 IQ, #16 EQ
China- #4 IQ, #83 EQ
Peru- #72 IQ, #6 EQ
Mexico- #55 IQ, #36 EQ

There's a lot of interesting cases above. My original argument was going to be that lower IQ countries may have more suitable wives. But truthfully, the stats are all over the place for what the forum seems to prefer. Filipinas for example are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign girls. They may have the most emotional intelligence in the world and are very warm but self aware girls emotionally. Guys may connect to that because they can be leaders with strategic decisions but yet still get the emotional connection that you somewhat get ingrained with in the west.

Then you have the northern Asian and EE countries. I didn't list it but Vietnam falls in here too for stats. You see places like Singapore, Japan, China, Ukraine and Russia have very high IQ, which falls in line with what guys say around here. But yet, they don't do the best job with emotional intelligence, with them all being near the bottom.

Finally, there's the west. Places like the US, Canada, and Spain rank pretty high in both categories. Yet, they seem to be the countries where the most guys are looking elsewhere for wives. The only conclusion I can make here based on stats is that it might not be good for marriage for both partners to be very aware of both categories.

I tend to believe guys on the forum are more on the IQ side and pick up the EQ along the way once they discover redpill unless they grew up as naturals. Correct me if I'm wrong there, just tends to fall in line with more logical thinking. I still maintain having both IQ and EQ are very important for either society, companionship, or family. But there's clearly something not right finding that balance in our homelands for marriage. So, my thinking is it might be good either way to find a partner high in one category but low in another. There's been arguments for Filipinas, Colombianas, EE girls, and developed Asian countries alike for wife quality. Having a westerner with a little of both plus a girl that is highly skilled in one may be a very good balance. Then you just have to figure out if you prefer warmer girls with high emotional intelligence or colder girls with higher IQ.

For me, I think because my emotional intelligence is not as high as IQ, I like the idea of having a higher emotional intelligence girl to kind of balance me out a bit. But I can definitely see how the other side is appealing.

Post: #1120

(12-07-2018 11:16 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  I want to bump this thread up because I remember a while back a few of us got into a debate about how important IQ is in a wife. I was one of those that argued that street smarts or emotional intelligence is just as important. Well, a side discussion with some forum members about the possibility of Filipina emotional intelligence got me into a direction to research the topic further. So what I did was look up stats on the most emotionally connected people in the world compared to the highest IQ countries in the world. Here were the results.

IQ

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

EQ

http://www.talentsmart.com/articles/the-...3-p-1.html

The two links above brought up some interesting combined results. Some notables include the following.

Philippines- #83 IQ, #1 EQ
Singapore- #1 IQ, last in EQ
USA- #23 IQ, #6 EQ
Colombia- #69 IQ, #4 EQ
Canada- #16 IQ, #6 EQ
Japan- #4 IQ, #68 EQ
Russia and Ukraine- top 15 IQ, bottom 5 EQ
Spain- #23 IQ, #16 EQ
China- #4 IQ, #83 EQ
Peru- #72 IQ, #6 EQ
Mexico- #55 IQ, #36 EQ

There's a lot of interesting cases above. My original argument was going to be that lower IQ countries may have more suitable wives. But truthfully, the stats are all over the place for what the forum seems to prefer. Filipinas for example are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign girls. They may have the most emotional intelligence in the world and are very warm but self aware girls emotionally. Guys may connect to that because they can be leaders with strategic decisions but yet still get the emotional connection that you somewhat get ingrained with in the west.

Then you have the northern Asian and EE countries. I didn't list it but Vietnam falls in here too for stats. You see places like Singapore, Japan, China, Ukraine and Russia have very high IQ, which falls in line with what guys say around here. But yet, they don't do the best job with emotional intelligence, with them all being near the bottom.

Finally, there's the west. Places like the US, Canada, and Spain rank pretty high in both categories. Yet, they seem to be the countries where the most guys are looking elsewhere for wives. The only conclusion I can make here based on stats is that it might not be good for marriage for both partners to be very aware of both categories.

I tend to believe guys on the forum are more on the IQ side and pick up the EQ along the way once they discover redpill unless they grew up as naturals. Correct me if I'm wrong there, just tends to fall in line with more logical thinking. I still maintain having both IQ and EQ are very important for either society, companionship, or family. But there's clearly something not right finding that balance in our homelands for marriage. So, my thinking is it might be good either way to find a partner high in one category but low in another. There's been arguments for Filipinas, Colombianas, EE girls, and developed Asian countries alike for wife quality. Having a westerner with a little of both plus a girl that is highly skilled in one may be a very good balance. Then you just have to figure out if you prefer warmer girls with high emotional intelligence or colder girls with higher IQ.

For me, I think because my emotional intelligence is not as high as IQ, I like the idea of having a higher emotional intelligence girl to kind of balance me out a bit. But I can definitely see how the other side is appealing.

Just a hip shot here but I'm guessing that many American girls, for example those from humble Midwestern towns where communal and religious bonds are strong, would make fine wives if they never received university indoctrination and never developed the ambition to live the sex in the city life or become high-powered CEOs. The problem in those places isn't so much cultural as it is economics. Due to the poor American diet there just aren't that many thin attractive girls to go around anymore.

Post: #1121

Yankeetravels, where do you get the idea that Filipinas are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign women? That’s pretty much the opposite of my experience here in Canada, my city has a very high Filipino population.

Post: #1122

EQ and IQ == apples and oranges.
One is a valid measurement of cognitive ability and the best predictor of "life success", the other is a useless made up concept to sell books and make people feel better about themselves.
Jordan Peterson actually explains this one pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cClRgjL-nM

If you want to compare women globally based on personality traits: http://www.toddkshackelford.com/download...P-2007.pdf would be a good place to start.

Post: #1123

(12-07-2018 12:05 PM)scotian Wrote:  Yankeetravels, where do you get the idea that Filipinas are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign women? That’s pretty much the opposite of my experience here in Canada, my city has a very high Filipino population.

I'll note that they're the #1 fiance visa origin country coming into the U.S. More fiance visas from the Philippines than countries #2, #3, and #4 combined. They're the top choice, and it's not even close.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-c...2017-04-05

Generally speaking, Filipinas have a high EQ, and this is also why they're valued abroad as nurses, caretakers, and wives. You can find plenty of gold diggers in the Philippines, just like anywhere else, but if you're looking for a wife with a high EQ, they're simply easier to find in the Phils. A high EQ woman is priceless in terms of marital success, especially if you're a high IQ guy that could really benefit from a partner that's more on the understanding, forgiving end. If you want a high IQ wife, you can find her in the Phils as well, but the shortage in the West is in EQ, not IQ, so that's what pushes many men to look outside the West, and then, after examining various options, the Philippines.

Also, the fact that many are fluent in English is very valuable when considering how your wife will integrate with your family and with American society in general.

There's just quite a bit of factors that make Filipinas very highly desirable to the non-aspie section of single men considering marrying a foreign woman.

Post: #1124

(12-07-2018 11:16 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  I want to bump this thread up because I remember a while back a few of us got into a debate about how important IQ is in a wife. I was one of those that argued that street smarts or emotional intelligence is just as important. Well, a side discussion with some forum members about the possibility of Filipina emotional intelligence got me into a direction to research the topic further. So what I did was look up stats on the most emotionally connected people in the world compared to the highest IQ countries in the world. Here were the results.

IQ

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

EQ

http://www.talentsmart.com/articles/the-...3-p-1.html

The two links above brought up some interesting combined results. Some notables include the following.

Philippines- #83 IQ, #1 EQ
Singapore- #1 IQ, last in EQ
USA- #23 IQ, #6 EQ
Colombia- #69 IQ, #4 EQ
Canada- #16 IQ, #6 EQ
Japan- #4 IQ, #68 EQ
Russia and Ukraine- top 15 IQ, bottom 5 EQ
Spain- #23 IQ, #16 EQ
China- #4 IQ, #83 EQ
Peru- #72 IQ, #6 EQ
Mexico- #55 IQ, #36 EQ

There's a lot of interesting cases above. My original argument was going to be that lower IQ countries may have more suitable wives. But truthfully, the stats are all over the place for what the forum seems to prefer. Filipinas for example are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign girls. They may have the most emotional intelligence in the world and are very warm but self aware girls emotionally. Guys may connect to that because they can be leaders with strategic decisions but yet still get the emotional connection that you somewhat get ingrained with in the west.

Then you have the northern Asian and EE countries. I didn't list it but Vietnam falls in here too for stats. You see places like Singapore, Japan, China, Ukraine and Russia have very high IQ, which falls in line with what guys say around here. But yet, they don't do the best job with emotional intelligence, with them all being near the bottom.

Finally, there's the west. Places like the US, Canada, and Spain rank pretty high in both categories. Yet, they seem to be the countries where the most guys are looking elsewhere for wives. The only conclusion I can make here based on stats is that it might not be good for marriage for both partners to be very aware of both categories.

I tend to believe guys on the forum are more on the IQ side and pick up the EQ along the way once they discover redpill unless they grew up as naturals. Correct me if I'm wrong there, just tends to fall in line with more logical thinking. I still maintain having both IQ and EQ are very important for either society, companionship, or family. But there's clearly something not right finding that balance in our homelands for marriage. So, my thinking is it might be good either way to find a partner high in one category but low in another. There's been arguments for Filipinas, Colombianas, EE girls, and developed Asian countries alike for wife quality. Having a westerner with a little of both plus a girl that is highly skilled in one may be a very good balance. Then you just have to figure out if you prefer warmer girls with high emotional intelligence or colder girls with higher IQ.

For me, I think because my emotional intelligence is not as high as IQ, I like the idea of having a higher emotional intelligence girl to kind of balance me out a bit. But I can definitely see how the other side is appealing.

Outstanding. Couldn't agree more, Yankee.

Post: #1125

(12-07-2018 12:05 PM)scotian Wrote:  Yankeetravels, where do you get the idea that Filipinas are highly desired by western guys compared to other foreign women? That’s pretty much the opposite of my experience here in Canada, my city has a very high Filipino population.

https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-...sa-Holders

This is one of the main direct stats I can find on the subject but of course it only factors foreign wives coming in. It just seems like if western guys look to other countries for wives, the Philippines definitely leads the way for connections to western guys. Language barrier also may play in there. But, a lot of people marry within the same race and culture so that may be part of why you see opposite results.

(12-07-2018 12:06 PM)Hoo Wrote:  EQ and IQ == apples and oranges.
One is a valid measurement of cognitive ability and the best predictor of "life success", the other is a useless made up concept to sell books and make people feel better about themselves.

I agree it's apples and oranges with EQ being tougher to measure. But, I don't think EQ should be dismissed. The results I found on it have been pretty accurate with my experience in women from a few of the countries listed. My Chinese ex definitely struggled with emotional intelligence while I found Filipinas to be pretty strong in reading emotions. Japanese I also find to think pretty black and white on certain subjects that may require a more emotional perspective, things tend to be a little too black and white over there. Americans I see have a little of both but they can clash. But, personality traits could play just as big, if not more of a factor in general. There's no 100% right answer given the stats above lol.