Post: #1201

^Yup.

Post: #1202

I've been going through this debate in my mind for a little while now. It's not fun to say the least.

Post: #1203

Wife hunting abroad will be very hit and miss. Unless you are thinking of an arranged marriage involving a financial deal with the girl’s parents. If you are using standard game you will naturally be attracting the most liberal elements of whatever society you’re in. I would also say that while you may find sweeter or nicer girls in places like FSU/Latin America/Asia, that may not necessarily translate to being wife material.

Post: #1204

I'd like to add a point or two that wife hunters abroad might miss at first go... the FAMILY and TRIBE of the girl.

1. A good girl is most likely to have a good relationship with her family, and to love them a lot, especially her MOM. In Latin America, moms and daughters are very close. You have to guage whether or not the girl could handle moving to back to the other side of the world with you (in case you are importing the girl) and leave her mom and family. If she does leave her family, you likely will still be expected to support and send money to her family abroad, and likely she will pressure you to travel back there once a year or more.

2. A girl is most comfortable with her own family, in her own country. If she has not had experience in another culture before, she will be up for a huge challenge. You are taking her out of her HOME, and so she will not feel as comfortable. She will feel additional stress, homesickness, she will commit faux-paus, she will see people 'not accepting her' when in fact nothing of the sort is going on.

3. If you import a girl, you should know that the people around you will view you as having married OUTSIDE THE TRIBE. Admittedly cross-national marriages are happening more and more, but it is still human nature to be tribal. Just know that even your hometown folk will look at her differently because she is not of the tribe. It's just a fact.

4. The reverse is true if you stay in her country. YOU will be viewed as the outsider, never REALLY a part of the tribe. An exception to this would be somewhere like Brazil if you learn Portuguese really well. Anyone can be Brazilian... but even there and in every foreign country, it will still be present.

Can you or your wife really live for the foreseeable future as the OUTSIDER?

Post: #1205

To add to what Slam said, remember that these problems she faces will all be considered YOUR FAULT. When you can't solve them all, that can be interpreted as weakness and be fodder for resentment. That hot Latina you imported might well find comfort on the local cock carousel.

As I've said a couple of times lately, do not import.

Post: #1206

I'm thinking about going to Africa to find a wife then bringing her back to live with me in England.

Has anyone had experience with this? and for anyone who has dated African girls will they make good wifes?
I'm looking at Nigeria, Ghana and Kenya as potentials right now.

Post: #1207

(02-06-2019 12:36 PM)Slam Wrote:  I'd like to add a point or two that wife hunters abroad might miss at first go... the FAMILY and TRIBE of the girl.

1. A good girl is most likely to have a good relationship with her family, and to love them a lot, especially her MOM. In Latin America, moms and daughters are very close. You have to guage whether or not the girl could handle moving to back to the other side of the world with you (in case you are importing the girl) and leave her mom and family. If she does leave her family, you likely will still be expected to support and send money to her family abroad, and likely she will pressure you to travel back there once a year or more.

2. A girl is most comfortable with her own family, in her own country. If she has not had experience in another culture before, she will be up for a huge challenge. You are taking her out of her HOME, and so she will not feel as comfortable. She will feel additional stress, homesickness, she will commit faux-paus, she will see people 'not accepting her' when in fact nothing of the sort is going on.

3. If you import a girl, you should know that the people around you will view you as having married OUTSIDE THE TRIBE. Admittedly cross-national marriages are happening more and more, but it is still human nature to be tribal. Just know that even your hometown folk will look at her differently because she is not of the tribe. It's just a fact.

4. The reverse is true if you stay in her country. YOU will be viewed as the outsider, never REALLY a part of the tribe. An exception to this would be somewhere like Brazil if you learn Portuguese really well. Anyone can be Brazilian... but even there and in every foreign country, it will still be present.

Can you or your wife really live for the foreseeable future as the OUTSIDER?

I have lived along time, been in the game a long time, traveled and lived all over the world and been on Roosh V since near the beginning. No offence but its good to have the wisdom to read what which are very valid points and know that they are not an issue.


Points 1 and 2 I agree with you there which is why I only wife hunt late 20s to mid 30s, and maybe even more importantly girls that have the 'Happy Gene' they will generally be happy and positive whatever there situation, they will make the best of it. You are crazy if you bring back a young girl to your country, the bigger the age gap between you and her the more chance for disaster.

Points 3 and 4, tribe? Outsider? We are talking about living in modern day western cities, people are insane! If your on this forum id say your already an outsider. When you get above your late 20s who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks anyway.

Post: #1208

(02-16-2019 10:12 AM)kazz Wrote:  Points 1 and 2 I agree with you there which is why I only wife hunt late 20s to mid 30s, and maybe even more importantly girls that have the 'Happy Gene' they will generally be happy and positive whatever there situation

I just came back to this post to post about this. Had the realisation over the last few days.

I don't think a girl can be happy unless she is comfortable that she is a woman and feminine. The only women I have known who have had the "happy gene" have been girly; and in The West that is very few people. They are also the kind of girls who need protecting as they tend to be naive. The modern Western woman has been told to eschew all this; and the women who do embrace it are looked down as not empowered and inferior. The irony of feminism - that it denigrates feminine traits in women and encourages them in men. And it's the flip side of feminism too. Feminism is at large denigrating men for being masculine, in the public arena. While it denigrates femininity in much more subtle, sub-textual ways that play out in women's minds.

I find that all girls are feminine when you are alone with them and they want to be. But there is just something wrong with the whole package when they are not comfortable with the fact that they are a woman. But they quickly snap out of it in public, especially at work.

If you are with a girl who is comfortable with being a woman she is amazing to be around. It will fill you with confidence, endeavor and your sense of being a man. And that's one reason why women are getting more miserable. They have been deprived of this amazing dynamic.

I was with a girl in Colombia and her drive to have a career was driving her insane. She didn't even really know what she was doing and was always in doubt of her future. She could be very feminine, but it was bullshit and became annoying to be around. It was dysfunctional as she wasn't comfortable with being a woman. Despite all her trouble she would not have dropped it all if I offered her to keep her and do something she actually wanted to do. Feminism has fucked these girls up and it's only just dawned on me why.

I read on the board a number of people saying to go for women who are not into politics etc.; such as trad-thots. Those like Lauren Southern are pretty highly masculinsed. And although they are more desirable than your average Westener, they are no prize. I didn't fully get this until now either. It made sense, but all the pieces did not fit.

I like to talk on the kind of things that get discussed in politics and everything else. And for a long time I thought a girl I can talk about these things with would be a good match. But I quickly realised there was a division between feminine girls and the intellectual girls; and the two didn't cross over. It was one or the other. They are also the only two groups of girls I can attract easily.

But now I realised, you don't need to talk to a woman about these things. She will leave that to you. Talk about these things with your male friends. Whenever a woman goes towards these things, as with career, she hardens and becomes less feminine. And they also go towards the culture where being feminine is denigrated. So she both destroys herself and what femininity is less has to be hidden.

I have found that women with career drives and who are in or have been to university are not worth considering.

I can't fully describe what it's like to be with one of these types of girls, but it fills you and makes you more powerful. Whatever challenges you have in your life will be easier because you have her femininity to bring out your masculinity.

If you're limited to The West you'll want to look around nurses or other similar professions.

So now my list of traits has been refined. It doesn't have much on it:

Naturally feminine - this should come with most of the other mental traits you want
Attractive
Takes care of appearance, but doesn't market herself
Works out
Doesn't want to work
Strong mating/nesting instinct


Everything else is an afterthought. Start with a girl who is comfortable she is a woman. The other issues people want to talk about can be negotiated.

Post: #1209

(02-04-2019 02:27 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Then you'll be a beta bucks provider.

If you plan on living in a western country, then think twice about marrying someone who earns significantly less than you, or doesn't earn at all. It's just asking to be divorce raped.

All legit alpha males are also providers, but not all providers are alpha males.

Post: #1210

(04-03-2019 07:24 AM)The_Trigg Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:27 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Then you'll be a beta bucks provider.

If you plan on living in a western country, then think twice about marrying someone who earns significantly less than you, or doesn't earn at all. It's just asking to be divorce raped.

All legit alpha males are also providers, but not all providers are alpha males.

All??

I'm sure there are plenty of alphas who are bachelors without dependents.

Post: #1211

(04-04-2019 06:38 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 07:24 AM)The_Trigg Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:27 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Then you'll be a beta bucks provider.

If you plan on living in a western country, then think twice about marrying someone who earns significantly less than you, or doesn't earn at all. It's just asking to be divorce raped.

All legit alpha males are also providers, but not all providers are alpha males.

All??

I'm sure there are plenty of alphas who are bachelors without dependents.

I'm saying that a Chad who's a pool boy doesn't count . Sure he has alpha male qualities, and he may have knocked up some guy's wife, or a single mom who abuses the welfare state (as most do); but he is not a leader of men, or a productive organization. He doesn't also have the capacity to provide sufficient resources and security for his tribe. Contrast this with a leader of an organization, who provides resources for his offspring, women, and those who are subordinate to him - except in extreme and rare cases. But don't bother me with exceptions as I will assume that you're trolling, and undeserving of a response.

Post: #1212

Long story short, wasted pretty much my entire 30s sleeping around, and chasing the player lifestyle. First half of my thirties (up to around 2013) was successful, had a lot of girls, but being a feckless idiot let many of them drift in chasing the player lifestyle. Second half of my thirties drifted into bad choices, at varying points depression, and ultimately failure and at points isolation. Now in recent couple of years got myself back on track, and at (a young) 42, feel i'm on my last go round to find a traditional and good woman to start a family and settle down with.

I'm in good physical condition from training boxing (my main hobby), looks wise am decent looking (i guess around a 7 fwiw), and am somewhat financially independent (i own outright a property in my home country, which is rented out and nets me around 1000USD pcm, also do a few bits and pieces online and teach english to supplement this). I am European, and do not want to go outside of European / Euro descended women. I am politically nationalistic, and value traditionalism. I am Christian. I have lived and worked in EE, and consider this the best region for me, and the kind of women i would like to attract.

In my experience as someone who moved East nearly a decade ago, is that the SMV of a westerner has fallen exponentially year on year in this region. Speaking with friends of mine (mostly Ukranian) they agree, that in Ukraine, a woman to be with a westerner is a low-status thing now, whereas a few years ago it was the opposite. They may string along foreigners in exchange for dates, attention, presents etc, but if they're any attractive or high value, they'll have a local boyfriend in the background. Now of course, you wouldnt want to attract those kind of girls as a future partner, but the point remains, that the legions of thirsty men who've travelled east having been sold a 'pussy paradise' by the last decades PUA industry, have pissed in the well out there.

I am in the process of looking at regions to live in, and give this 6 months. I dont believe you can attract any mate of value if you're passing through. You need to have some form of stability or work IMHO.

Currently I am thinking of:

Kiev - pros - standard of women, cheap cost of living. Negs - a prime example of a place jaded by Western thirsty males. Not a place i'd want to build a long term life.

South Balkans, specifically Macedonia / Serbia / Montenegro - I've never been, but being Slavic i am assuming the woman are attractive. Cheap living, beautiful country nature wise. Traditional cultures.

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

I'm kicking around ideas at the moment, apologies if this post is unfocused. Given my criteria and situation, i'd be interested in any thoughts on it all...

Post: #1213

(04-04-2019 03:14 PM)The_Trigg Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 06:38 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 07:24 AM)The_Trigg Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:27 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Then you'll be a beta bucks provider.

If you plan on living in a western country, then think twice about marrying someone who earns significantly less than you, or doesn't earn at all. It's just asking to be divorce raped.

All legit alpha males are also providers, but not all providers are alpha males.

All??

I'm sure there are plenty of alphas who are bachelors without dependents.

I'm saying that a Chad who's a pool boy doesn't count . Sure he has alpha male qualities, and he may have knocked up some guy's wife, or a single mom who abuses the welfare state (as most do); but he is not a leader of men, or a productive organization. He doesn't also have the capacity to provide sufficient resources and security for his tribe. Contrast this with a leader of an organization, who provides resources for his offspring, women, and those who are subordinate to him - except in extreme and rare cases. But don't bother me with exceptions as I will assume that you're trolling, and undeserving of a response.

Ah you're talking about friends and business.

I thought you were trying to say every alpha male has children.

Post: #1214

(04-04-2019 10:28 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Long story short, wasted pretty much my entire 30s sleeping around, and chasing the player lifestyle. First half of my thirties (up to around 2013) was successful, had a lot of girls, but being a feckless idiot let many of them drift in chasing the player lifestyle. Second half of my thirties drifted into bad choices, at varying points depression, and ultimately failure and at points isolation. Now in recent couple of years got myself back on track, and at (a young) 42, feel i'm on my last go round to find a traditional and good woman to start a family and settle down with.

I'm in good physical condition from training boxing (my main hobby), looks wise am decent looking (i guess around a 7 fwiw), and am somewhat financially independent (i own outright a property in my home country, which is rented out and nets me around 1000USD pcm, also do a few bits and pieces online and teach english to supplement this). I am European, and do not want to go outside of European / Euro descended women. I am politically nationalistic, and value traditionalism. I am Christian. I have lived and worked in EE, and consider this the best region for me, and the kind of women i would like to attract.

In my experience as someone who moved East nearly a decade ago, is that the SMV of a westerner has fallen exponentially year on year in this region. Speaking with friends of mine (mostly Ukranian) they agree, that in Ukraine, a woman to be with a westerner is a low-status thing now, whereas a few years ago it was the opposite. They may string along foreigners in exchange for dates, attention, presents etc, but if they're any attractive or high value, they'll have a local boyfriend in the background. Now of course, you wouldnt want to attract those kind of girls as a future partner, but the point remains, that the legions of thirsty men who've travelled east having been sold a 'pussy paradise' by the last decades PUA industry, have pissed in the well out there.

I am in the process of looking at regions to live in, and give this 6 months. I dont believe you can attract any mate of value if you're passing through. You need to have some form of stability or work IMHO.

Currently I am thinking of:

Kiev - pros - standard of women, cheap cost of living. Negs - a prime example of a place jaded by Western thirsty males. Not a place i'd want to build a long term life.

South Balkans, specifically Macedonia / Serbia / Montenegro - I've never been, but being Slavic i am assuming the woman are attractive. Cheap living, beautiful country nature wise. Traditional cultures.

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

I'm kicking around ideas at the moment, apologies if this post is unfocused. Given my criteria and situation, i'd be interested in any thoughts on it all...

Your profile shows you're in Mexico. If you're looking for a wife, why not import a Mexican or other Latin American to Spain?

Get a prenup referencing Spanish law or the law of your home country.

Yes, we know you might have problems enforcing it, but she could never be sure it wouldn't be enforced either. A prenup would set a frame. Anyways, if your property was mostly outside Spain, you'd be pretty safe.

Post: #1215

(04-08-2019 07:36 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 10:28 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Long story short, wasted pretty much my entire 30s sleeping around, and chasing the player lifestyle. First half of my thirties (up to around 2013) was successful, had a lot of girls, but being a feckless idiot let many of them drift in chasing the player lifestyle. Second half of my thirties drifted into bad choices, at varying points depression, and ultimately failure and at points isolation. Now in recent couple of years got myself back on track, and at (a young) 42, feel i'm on my last go round to find a traditional and good woman to start a family and settle down with.

I'm in good physical condition from training boxing (my main hobby), looks wise am decent looking (i guess around a 7 fwiw), and am somewhat financially independent (i own outright a property in my home country, which is rented out and nets me around 1000USD pcm, also do a few bits and pieces online and teach english to supplement this). I am European, and do not want to go outside of European / Euro descended women. I am politically nationalistic, and value traditionalism. I am Christian. I have lived and worked in EE, and consider this the best region for me, and the kind of women i would like to attract.

In my experience as someone who moved East nearly a decade ago, is that the SMV of a westerner has fallen exponentially year on year in this region. Speaking with friends of mine (mostly Ukranian) they agree, that in Ukraine, a woman to be with a westerner is a low-status thing now, whereas a few years ago it was the opposite. They may string along foreigners in exchange for dates, attention, presents etc, but if they're any attractive or high value, they'll have a local boyfriend in the background. Now of course, you wouldnt want to attract those kind of girls as a future partner, but the point remains, that the legions of thirsty men who've travelled east having been sold a 'pussy paradise' by the last decades PUA industry, have pissed in the well out there.

I am in the process of looking at regions to live in, and give this 6 months. I dont believe you can attract any mate of value if you're passing through. You need to have some form of stability or work IMHO.

Currently I am thinking of:

Kiev - pros - standard of women, cheap cost of living. Negs - a prime example of a place jaded by Western thirsty males. Not a place i'd want to build a long term life.

South Balkans, specifically Macedonia / Serbia / Montenegro - I've never been, but being Slavic i am assuming the woman are attractive. Cheap living, beautiful country nature wise. Traditional cultures.

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

I'm kicking around ideas at the moment, apologies if this post is unfocused. Given my criteria and situation, i'd be interested in any thoughts on it all...

Your profile shows you're in Mexico. If you're looking for a wife, why not import a Mexican or other Latin American to Spain?

Get a prenup referencing Spanish law or the law of your home country.

Yes, we know you might have problems enforcing it, but she could never be sure it wouldn't be enforced either. A prenup would set a frame. Anyways, if your property was mostly outside Spain, you'd be pretty safe.

Oh boy, Spain is the dreamland for feminazists. Prenups means NOTHING here. The LIVG (Ley Integral contra la Violencia de Genero or Integral Law againts Gender Violence) is extremely bad against men. Just with a verbal accusation from a woman, you are taken out of your home, and if you have common kids, the custody is automatically given to her. There is no way around this law. The only possibility not to pay alimony to her is if you are "pareja de hecho", a legal figure in which you are living together and such, but not married. She can fine you with LIVG in hand though, but at least no alimony for her (for your kids yes, and yes you lose your home if you are living in it meanwhile).

Sorry for that dudes, but law in Spain is even worse than that in USA, and prenups doesn't exist, or even if you do them, judges clean their anus with them.

Post: #1216

(04-23-2019 03:30 AM)eck Wrote:  

(04-08-2019 07:36 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 10:28 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Long story short, wasted pretty much my entire 30s sleeping around, and chasing the player lifestyle. First half of my thirties (up to around 2013) was successful, had a lot of girls, but being a feckless idiot let many of them drift in chasing the player lifestyle. Second half of my thirties drifted into bad choices, at varying points depression, and ultimately failure and at points isolation. Now in recent couple of years got myself back on track, and at (a young) 42, feel i'm on my last go round to find a traditional and good woman to start a family and settle down with.

I'm in good physical condition from training boxing (my main hobby), looks wise am decent looking (i guess around a 7 fwiw), and am somewhat financially independent (i own outright a property in my home country, which is rented out and nets me around 1000USD pcm, also do a few bits and pieces online and teach english to supplement this). I am European, and do not want to go outside of European / Euro descended women. I am politically nationalistic, and value traditionalism. I am Christian. I have lived and worked in EE, and consider this the best region for me, and the kind of women i would like to attract.

In my experience as someone who moved East nearly a decade ago, is that the SMV of a westerner has fallen exponentially year on year in this region. Speaking with friends of mine (mostly Ukranian) they agree, that in Ukraine, a woman to be with a westerner is a low-status thing now, whereas a few years ago it was the opposite. They may string along foreigners in exchange for dates, attention, presents etc, but if they're any attractive or high value, they'll have a local boyfriend in the background. Now of course, you wouldnt want to attract those kind of girls as a future partner, but the point remains, that the legions of thirsty men who've travelled east having been sold a 'pussy paradise' by the last decades PUA industry, have pissed in the well out there.

I am in the process of looking at regions to live in, and give this 6 months. I dont believe you can attract any mate of value if you're passing through. You need to have some form of stability or work IMHO.

Currently I am thinking of:

Kiev - pros - standard of women, cheap cost of living. Negs - a prime example of a place jaded by Western thirsty males. Not a place i'd want to build a long term life.

South Balkans, specifically Macedonia / Serbia / Montenegro - I've never been, but being Slavic i am assuming the woman are attractive. Cheap living, beautiful country nature wise. Traditional cultures.

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

I'm kicking around ideas at the moment, apologies if this post is unfocused. Given my criteria and situation, i'd be interested in any thoughts on it all...

Your profile shows you're in Mexico. If you're looking for a wife, why not import a Mexican or other Latin American to Spain?

Get a prenup referencing Spanish law or the law of your home country.

Yes, we know you might have problems enforcing it, but she could never be sure it wouldn't be enforced either. A prenup would set a frame. Anyways, if your property was mostly outside Spain, you'd be pretty safe.

Oh boy, Spain is the dreamland for feminazists. Prenups means NOTHING here. The LIVG (Ley Integral contra la Violencia de Genero or Integral Law againts Gender Violence) is extremely bad against men. Just with a verbal accusation from a woman, you are taken out of your home, and if you have common kids, the custody is automatically given to her. There is no way around this law. The only possibility not to pay alimony to her is if you are "pareja de hecho", a legal figure in which you are living together and such, but not married. She can fine you with LIVG in hand though, but at least no alimony for her (for your kids yes, and yes you lose your home if you are living in it meanwhile).

Sorry for that dudes, but law in Spain is even worse than that in USA, and prenups doesn't exist, or even if you do them, judges clean their anus with them.

Here's a Spanish law review article discussing enforcement of foreign pre-nups in Spain. (pdf)

https://e-revistas.uc3m.es/index.php/CDT.../2510/1389

It's true that Spanish courts might take a critical attitude, but as I said, she could never be 100% sure the prenup wouldn't be enforced, either. It's as much about how her mental attitude is set as the actual operation of the agreement. It's deterrence. Like nuclear deterrence, you can never be 100% sure it will work.

One key would be renting or only buying property in Spain with a mortgage, so that equity at risk is low, and keeping most of your cash and securities assets outside Spain.

That way, if things go really bad, you just go ghost and carry what you can out of the country. Would be different if there were kids, of course, but if there were kids, wouldn't you want them growing up in a more developed country?

As I've said before, getting a judgment in a country is one thing. Enforcing it in another country can be 100 times more difficult.

Nothing is perfect.

Post: #1217

(04-23-2019 05:40 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 03:30 AM)eck Wrote:  

(04-08-2019 07:36 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 10:28 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Long story short, wasted pretty much my entire 30s sleeping around, and chasing the player lifestyle. First half of my thirties (up to around 2013) was successful, had a lot of girls, but being a feckless idiot let many of them drift in chasing the player lifestyle. Second half of my thirties drifted into bad choices, at varying points depression, and ultimately failure and at points isolation. Now in recent couple of years got myself back on track, and at (a young) 42, feel i'm on my last go round to find a traditional and good woman to start a family and settle down with.

I'm in good physical condition from training boxing (my main hobby), looks wise am decent looking (i guess around a 7 fwiw), and am somewhat financially independent (i own outright a property in my home country, which is rented out and nets me around 1000USD pcm, also do a few bits and pieces online and teach english to supplement this). I am European, and do not want to go outside of European / Euro descended women. I am politically nationalistic, and value traditionalism. I am Christian. I have lived and worked in EE, and consider this the best region for me, and the kind of women i would like to attract.

In my experience as someone who moved East nearly a decade ago, is that the SMV of a westerner has fallen exponentially year on year in this region. Speaking with friends of mine (mostly Ukranian) they agree, that in Ukraine, a woman to be with a westerner is a low-status thing now, whereas a few years ago it was the opposite. They may string along foreigners in exchange for dates, attention, presents etc, but if they're any attractive or high value, they'll have a local boyfriend in the background. Now of course, you wouldnt want to attract those kind of girls as a future partner, but the point remains, that the legions of thirsty men who've travelled east having been sold a 'pussy paradise' by the last decades PUA industry, have pissed in the well out there.

I am in the process of looking at regions to live in, and give this 6 months. I dont believe you can attract any mate of value if you're passing through. You need to have some form of stability or work IMHO.

Currently I am thinking of:

Kiev - pros - standard of women, cheap cost of living. Negs - a prime example of a place jaded by Western thirsty males. Not a place i'd want to build a long term life.

South Balkans, specifically Macedonia / Serbia / Montenegro - I've never been, but being Slavic i am assuming the woman are attractive. Cheap living, beautiful country nature wise. Traditional cultures.

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

I'm kicking around ideas at the moment, apologies if this post is unfocused. Given my criteria and situation, i'd be interested in any thoughts on it all...

Your profile shows you're in Mexico. If you're looking for a wife, why not import a Mexican or other Latin American to Spain?

Get a prenup referencing Spanish law or the law of your home country.

Yes, we know you might have problems enforcing it, but she could never be sure it wouldn't be enforced either. A prenup would set a frame. Anyways, if your property was mostly outside Spain, you'd be pretty safe.

Oh boy, Spain is the dreamland for feminazists. Prenups means NOTHING here. The LIVG (Ley Integral contra la Violencia de Genero or Integral Law againts Gender Violence) is extremely bad against men. Just with a verbal accusation from a woman, you are taken out of your home, and if you have common kids, the custody is automatically given to her. There is no way around this law. The only possibility not to pay alimony to her is if you are "pareja de hecho", a legal figure in which you are living together and such, but not married. She can fine you with LIVG in hand though, but at least no alimony for her (for your kids yes, and yes you lose your home if you are living in it meanwhile).

Sorry for that dudes, but law in Spain is even worse than that in USA, and prenups doesn't exist, or even if you do them, judges clean their anus with them.

Here's a Spanish law review article discussing enforcement of foreign pre-nups in Spain. (pdf)

https://e-revistas.uc3m.es/index.php/CDT.../2510/1389

It's true that Spanish courts might take a critical attitude, but as I said, she could never be 100% sure the prenup wouldn't be enforced, either. It's as much about how her mental attitude is set as the actual operation of the agreement. It's deterrence. Like nuclear deterrence, you can never be 100% sure it will work.

One key would be renting or only buying property in Spain with a mortgage, so that equity at risk is low, and keeping most of your cash and securities assets outside Spain.

That way, if things go really bad, you just go ghost and carry what you can out of the country. Would be different if there were kids, of course, but if there were kids, wouldn't you want them growing up in a more developed country?

As I've said before, getting a judgment in a country is one thing. Enforcing it in another country can be 100 times more difficult.

Nothing is perfect.

Yeah, she wouldn't know about it...until a female (or male) lawyer incites her to do it, because with the law in her hand, she can fuck you big time. Up to this date, there have been more than 1,5 million men falsely accused with LIVG law, and 80% of them happen during the process of divorce...what a coincidence, ah?. The reality is that, with this law, the ONLY way not be fucked is the ethics of the woman you are involved with. If she wants, you're done.

Apart from that, law in Spain centers around the "wellbeing" of the children. Therefore, if you both live in a rented property, or owned by you, the moment you are divorced, she will stay in that property, and you will have to pay the rent/mortage till the kids are grown up (late 20s). And of course, if she doesn't have a job, then you have to compensate for that. Sounds good? That's the state of affairs, and as a spaniard I know very well the disastrous situation that men face here. Hopefully, it is a matter of time that VOX party will rule (in 4 years I believe), and then, BYE FEMINAZISTS.

So summing up, how do you minimise the possible effects of LIVG on to you if you get divorced? Assuming kids:

1) she earns more than you and contributes to the rent
2) marriage done with "separacion de bienes" (means what you earn is yours, and what she earns is hers).

In any case, your risk to see your children just a brief moment every two weeks is a real possibility. More than ever, it is truly needed to filter the kind of women you end up with.

Post: #1218

A few extras after 2+ months in Colombia.

Colombia is a mess. It's said to be religious and conservative, but it's neither. I think the same can be said for the entire region. People go to church, but they don't follow any rules beyond that. Around half of children grow up fatherless.

My big problem there was not realising the rules of the game there.

1) You have to move very quickly with girls. If you don't they will almost definitely forget about you
2) They need quick escalation and you can call them cariña or linda more or less straight away

This is, of course, a terrible place to look for wife material. They have patience to weed out a better man and don't want to become intimate instantly. Not common in Colombia and it's probably only a reflex to all the bad experiences they've had; rather than a girl who has been primed by her parents to never have them.

The other thing I found is that I have almost nothing to talk to with the majority of Colombians. There is a big chasm between the interests and the way Northern Europeans and Colombians behave. What I have come to realise is there are these women that most guys are attracted to. They look something like this:



And their personalities and interests are in tandem with their outwards display. We know these are not marriage material, but are drawn in anyway.

But personally I just can't talk to such women. There is too little in common and too much difference in personality. That is why for me Colombia isn't a good place at all. If you are intellectual, reserved, introvert, a thinker etc. then you'll probably struggle to make a connection with these women. If you're similar LatAm shouldn't be somewhere to look at. But rather Europe, FSU, Vietnam and maybe Thailand.

This has made me realise the necessity of narrowing targets by values (and quickly). Before I would just look for a pretty face and maybe they had some qualities I liked beyond that. But if not if you can make a girl receptive you can get drawn in and sate yourself with ass and boobs.

Recently I began talking with a girl (online, though not a dating site) and she has been raised with strong parental guidance in terms of men and her father has to approve of potential husbands. She has a strong drive to have a large family and wants traditional arrangements across the board. Speaking with her has made me realise just how far other women fall short of the bar. Even though I've met women who are much better candidates than your random Western woman, none of them were in really touch with their inherent motherhood and family drives.

Post: #1219

(05-06-2019 04:01 PM)gework Wrote:  A few extras after 2+ months in Colombia.

Colombia is a mess.

I spent 3 months in Colombia and I agree 100% with your findings. It is a low severely low trust society, and this had a huge impact about the psyche of women there, if you come from a developed Western nation it can be hard to fathom... it seems whether it be business, friendships, relationships, family etc etc there is a high occurrence of cheating others... this has a ripple effect of implications all throughout society which drove me crazy on a daily basis.

(05-06-2019 04:01 PM)gework Wrote:  It's said to be religious and conservative, but it's neither. I think the same can be said for the entire region. People go to church, but they don't follow any rules beyond that. Around half of children grow up fatherless.

But personally I just can't talk to such women. There is too little in common and too much difference in personality. That is why for me Colombia isn't a good place at all. If you are intellectual, reserved, introvert, a thinker etc. then you'll probably struggle to make a connection with these women.

It's a popular choice for RVFers and Colombia gets so so much hype in the men's circles, mainly because of the cariñosa chica reputation / tropical weather / charlie / latin music & nightlife etc etc ... And it's a definitely one of the best places for birds within the genre of Latin America... and I even think Colombianas could win the gold medal for sex, they give it 110% and are sex champions, very passionate... I love the language and the nightlife culture can be very addictive, some of the best in the world.

However, after my experience I can only classify Colombia as a good place to have short-term fun, I would never consider a Colombiana for marriage/babymama... they are addicted to drama, they have incredibly low attention spans, they act irrational and they have no element of logic as to why they do things, it's all emotion based. If you are a thinking man, a high IQ man or a sapiosexual then you could find Colombianas (and Latinas in general) intolerable for any form of LTR.

Post: #1220

^Well ya, you guys actually thought Colombia was a good place to find a wife? JAJAJAJA

Post: #1221

JAJAJAJA

Post: #1222

I can't say colombianas are ideal wives, but where can this thread really go other than "meet a chick at your local church" at this point. Wife hunting is I think over-ambitious stereotype from 90 day fiancé. But if you were gonna get a chick pregnant, or spend some time down in Colombia and then eventually pull her back, you might not do too bad with a Colombian girl.

Colombianas are chicas, they aren't that smart, you're not gonna be a power couple, she isn't gonna bring home a big pay check or organize your life for you. She will be a little vapid at times and disorganized. On the other hand I have a friend with a Chinese wife who is constantly organizing his business, asking him about work stuff when I am visiting even, always on his case - I don't want that shit. Some people might like this more, not me. I want to come home and relax., I don't want my wife to try and help me with everything, I'd rather have her off my case and happy. I don't give a fuck if my kid does all his homework. I'd rather have him out playing soccer.

One upside to a colombiana is you can get a nice young one, Im late 30s and can get down into mid 20s without blinking an eye. This is a girl who can get pregnant easy and would actually have a bunch of kids and be happy spending time with her family. She wouldn't want to throw her kid in a daycare so she can go to work. Yes, they can be inattentive and dumbass mothers in some ways when you compare them to your classic western mother, but she would be present and would care. I have an older mother and I can tell you that most girls here would help to take care of her if put in the position, a western girl would just tell you to send your mother to the retirement home.

I say A woman not having too much ambition can be a good thing. Generally I find the colombianas are upbeat and have good sex drives, combine that with some domestic skills and you are good. I find there are a lot of women here who put energy into keeping their looks up, and always want to dress nice even when they get older. They keep their hair long into their 40s.

I agree 100% with almost all the negative points, but keep in mind these are the negatives. You gotta take the good with the bad. I actually had a girl call me here and I translated some of the points, she agreed 100% with everything. Hey that's not bad, try to criticize women in the western world in general and most girls lose their heads. I don't talk politics or BS like that on dates, but yes I express hard right opinions or sexist opinions with girls I meet when these topics come up, sometimes on a first date, they very rarely get mad and they certainly don't have a meltdown. Just don't criticize a colombianas looks in any way, that they take hard.

I think part of the problem is going for the 'grilla' with the fake tits, the super hot Colombian girl in the photo above. You can't wife up an Instagram girl. Obviously they have the sex appeal, but these women are obsessed with their looks and totally vane. The attention whoring and vanity here is real, the amount of girls taping themselves working out and posting it to their WhatsApp is ridiculous. Also I agree, a colombiana can be hot or cold pretty quick.

The superficial spirituality was mentioned, I have seen a ton of this. Sometimes I think the girls just say Dios Te Bendiga or whatnot because its cultural. They actually know nothing about religion and adhere to none of the values. I also have met girls who know a lot more about the bible than your typical western girl. All that said, women aren't supposed to know that much about religion, that is a male quality. If you get a girl who isn't too vain, has some fear of God basics, is family oriented, likes having sex and cooking you are good. I do think there are a lot of emotions and expressive ways related to Colombianas we aren't used too, I could see how in the long term it could be exhausting.

Every nationality will have its pluses and minuses. I think it does depend on your personality type along with what are your expectations of a woman. If you are an introverted thinker, you will struggle to find a girl here who provides that. I find I have dumped girls for the exact reasons mentioned in this thread, they are flaky and can be frustrating. Still I'd say a colombiana might be as good as any other type, on average.

I think we have to be aware we are comparing the Colombiana against the RVF idealized version here and examining the failings. There are lots of other threads ripping into your average Western Girl or Euro Girl. For me all I can say is I like these chicks more than the ones back home. But then again, I spent almost a decade in Toronto which is a wasteland for quality wife material.

For me - an ideal Colombian wife is a 7/10, mid 20s chick, 105 IQ, family oriented, parents still married, no kids.

Post: #1223

(05-06-2019 04:01 PM)gework Wrote:  A few extras after 2+ months in Colombia.

Colombia is a mess. It's said to be religious and conservative, but it's neither. I think the same can be said for the entire region. People go to church, but they don't follow any rules beyond that. Around half of children grow up fatherless.

My big problem there was not realising the rules of the game there.

1) You have to move very quickly with girls. If you don't they will almost definitely forget about you
2) They need quick escalation and you can call them cariña or linda more or less straight away

This is, of course, a terrible place to look for wife material. They have patience to weed out a better man and don't want to become intimate instantly. Not common in Colombia and it's probably only a reflex to all the bad experiences they've had; rather than a girl who has been primed by her parents to never have them.

The other thing I found is that I have almost nothing to talk to with the majority of Colombians. There is a big chasm between the interests and the way Northern Europeans and Colombians behave. What I have come to realise is there are these women that most guys are attracted to. They look something like this:



And their personalities and interests are in tandem with their outwards display. We know these are not marriage material, but are drawn in anyway.

But personally I just can't talk to such women. There is too little in common and too much difference in personality. That is why for me Colombia isn't a good place at all. If you are intellectual, reserved, introvert, a thinker etc. then you'll probably struggle to make a connection with these women. If you're similar LatAm shouldn't be somewhere to look at. But rather Europe, FSU, Vietnam and maybe Thailand.

This has made me realise the necessity of narrowing targets by values (and quickly). Before I would just look for a pretty face and maybe they had some qualities I liked beyond that. But if not if you can make a girl receptive you can get drawn in and sate yourself with ass and boobs.

Recently I began talking with a girl (online, though not a dating site) and she has been raised with strong parental guidance in terms of men and her father has to approve of potential husbands. She has a strong drive to have a large family and wants traditional arrangements across the board. Speaking with her has made me realise just how far other women fall short of the bar. Even though I've met women who are much better candidates than your random Western woman, none of them were in really touch with their inherent motherhood and family drives.

Colombians are not LTR material and a horrible cultural fit for someone who is introverted, intellectual and wants low maintenance.

But Colombia is a fun place to have STRs.

Post: #1224

(02-17-2019 01:41 PM)gework Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 10:12 AM)kazz Wrote:  Points 1 and 2 I agree with you there which is why I only wife hunt late 20s to mid 30s, and maybe even more importantly girls that have the 'Happy Gene' they will generally be happy and positive whatever there situation

I just came back to this post to post about this. Had the realisation over the last few days.

I don't think a girl can be happy unless she is comfortable that she is a woman and feminine. The only women I have known who have had the "happy gene" have been girly; and in The West that is very few people. They are also the kind of girls who need protecting as they tend to be naive. The modern Western woman has been told to eschew all this; and the women who do embrace it are looked down as not empowered and inferior. The irony of feminism - that it denigrates feminine traits in women and encourages them in men. And it's the flip side of feminism too. Feminism is at large denigrating men for being masculine, in the public arena. While it denigrates femininity in much more subtle, sub-textual ways that play out in women's minds.

I find that all girls are feminine when you are alone with them and they want to be. But there is just something wrong with the whole package when they are not comfortable with the fact that they are a woman. But they quickly snap out of it in public, especially at work.

If you are with a girl who is comfortable with being a woman she is amazing to be around. It will fill you with confidence, endeavor and your sense of being a man. And that's one reason why women are getting more miserable. They have been deprived of this amazing dynamic.

I was with a girl in Colombia and her drive to have a career was driving her insane. She didn't even really know what she was doing and was always in doubt of her future. She could be very feminine, but it was bullshit and became annoying to be around. It was dysfunctional as she wasn't comfortable with being a woman. Despite all her trouble she would not have dropped it all if I offered her to keep her and do something she actually wanted to do. Feminism has fucked these girls up and it's only just dawned on me why.

I read on the board a number of people saying to go for women who are not into politics etc.; such as trad-thots. Those like Lauren Southern are pretty highly masculinsed. And although they are more desirable than your average Westener, they are no prize. I didn't fully get this until now either. It made sense, but all the pieces did not fit.

I like to talk on the kind of things that get discussed in politics and everything else. And for a long time I thought a girl I can talk about these things with would be a good match. But I quickly realised there was a division between feminine girls and the intellectual girls; and the two didn't cross over. It was one or the other. They are also the only two groups of girls I can attract easily.

But now I realised, you don't need to talk to a woman about these things. She will leave that to you. Talk about these things with your male friends. Whenever a woman goes towards these things, as with career, she hardens and becomes less feminine. And they also go towards the culture where being feminine is denigrated. So she both destroys herself and what femininity is less has to be hidden.

I have found that women with career drives and who are in or have been to university are not worth considering.

I can't fully describe what it's like to be with one of these types of girls, but it fills you and makes you more powerful. Whatever challenges you have in your life will be easier because you have her femininity to bring out your masculinity.

If you're limited to The West you'll want to look around nurses or other similar professions.

So now my list of traits has been refined. It doesn't have much on it:

Naturally feminine - this should come with most of the other mental traits you want
Attractive
Takes care of appearance, but doesn't market herself
Works out
Doesn't want to work
Strong mating/nesting instinct


Everything else is an afterthought. Start with a girl who is comfortable she is a woman. The other issues people want to talk about can be negotiated.

So many likes but i found this to be generalising and over thinking things or could be what works for you but not for others. Eg the 'doesn't want to work' and 'no university' for me would be a major turn off as i dont want a dumb house wife who sits at home all day just cooking and cleaning while getting fat but it may be what works for you as you feel you are the 'hero' and bread winner, and maybe threatened by an intelligent woman.

Just cause a woman is intelligent or university educated does not mean you or her need to discuss politics or get deep into sensitive issues. I personally would want an equaly intelligent partner, but does not mean we need to sit down to debate the meaning of life!

Post: #1225

(01-29-2019 07:43 PM)gework Wrote:  LOL.

Your post makes it sound like a vast majority of non-white foreign women have a secret fetish for white dick based on colonialism and Hollywood/Western culture (movies, etc).

The best quality girls from any of these "exotic" countries will prefer a local (or a guy from the same race/religion) over a white/foreign guy. This is a basic rule anywhere in the world. The leftovers (no guy from her race /culture / religion wants) are the ones who end up with white guys.

A hot girl from Thailand, Bangladesh or Venezuela will have unlimited options on the high status local guys. Very unlikely she would choose a white foreigner (because he has white skin and light eyes) over a local alpha male. I never see it.

Get real, buddy. When you do interracial dating, you won't get the best of the best girls from another culture.

I know Roosh supports the White Nationalism/Supremacy theory; and he supports the suffering of white men (he calls it the "truth") in the anglosphere -- but some of you guys are completely delusional.

With the current state of American/Anglo/Western women, I can see the vast majority of guys on this forum settling for average/below-average girls from "poor" countries due to the White God Factor.

Got to disagree here. I lived in Thailand for 5 yrs and there is a class system and skin color of the girls matter alot. Eg a hot dark skinned working class girl has almost zero chance of marrying a middle class average light skinned Thai guy. In fact 99% of guys would choose a 6 in looks white skinned Thai girl over an 8 in looks dark skinned Thai girl. Now most foreign guys love the dark skinned Thai girl....and the Thai guys are actually baffled that a white western guy would hook up with and marry a dark skinned Thai woman.

So the white god factor works here because in her mind a very attractive (7/8/9) dark skinned Thai girl is able to have lighter skinned baby (with a white guy) that she will parade around as a trophy as the next generation her family has moved up the social ladder in Thailand!

I would imagine Bangladesh is similar and probably also have the caste system.