Post: #1176

(02-01-2019 08:17 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:11 AM)Luka Dončić Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 11:00 PM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  I spent significant time in SEAsia in my early 20s and dated some really lovely girls in the 18-22 age bracket. They were young, attractive and the majority came from middle-class families.. These girls were hardly washed up/leftovers, they simply preferred foreign men. Maybe they weren't 9s and 10s but most were attractive enough to have their pick of a local guy if they actually wanted one.

What bubble are you living in, bro? A wholesome 'good' middle-class girl will prefer a foreign white guy?! Haha. Dating/marrying a white man is looked down upon and even frowned in most non-white cultures whether in the West or 3rd world shithole.

Suffice to say, white men get the bottom 10% or 20% of non-white women. For black men and interracial dating -- its even worst; they get the bottom 5% or 10% of non-black women.

(02-01-2019 05:37 AM)earlgrey Wrote:  So this Luka was banned because he had an opposite viewpoint to the majority in this thread. He could have kept it a little more civilized but not the worst that RVF has seen.

Who gets salty enough on an anonymous Internet forum to report and ban? Maybe I'll start throwing out reports to ban everywhere too.

Roosh is primarily funded by angry white men in the anglosphere. He has to post content that caters to them. Without support from white men, Roosh would most likely be homeless on the streets of Eastern Europe running game from his sidewalk. He would have to do his 'Roosh Hour' from a cafe (that provides free wifi) or a public library.

I do not think Roosh is bi or homosexual, but based on his thought process, he probably would engage in sodomy (anal/oral) with at least 1 white man. He loves white men.

I'm actually glad you wrote that because it is true.

Most western guys do end up with the bottom half of the local women but feel like they've made a catch (and perhaps compared to the west they have).

A lot of the older dudes are dating single mums over here as well.

Even my ex, I later found out, wasn't appealing to Vietnamese guys because she is a tattoo artist. In Vietnam this is seen as a terrible profession that no future mother in law would allow. She was dating a police officer (she earns more than him) and the mother in law forebade their relationship because it wouldn't fit in with their family.

It was a win for me that they were backwards about tattooing as a profession at least.

Okay, so you once dated a girl you found out wasn't popular with locals.. Cool story.

You seem to be focusing on older guys going over and dating women in their 30s and 40s. Most of these men are 60+ and are divorced, have grown children and have now retired in South East Asia. These men won't be getting their pick of local girls, no shit. But they will do far better in Asia than they will at home.

There is one hell of a difference between that and being a successful, young white guy with an amazing passport and no kids/ex wife. Like I said, maybe 10% of girls are out of range because they won't date foreigners, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think guys like that can find a wholesome, feminine woman under 25.

I could fill threads with anecdotes of Vietnamese/Thai girls flat out telling me they stongly dislike local men and fear having to marry one.

Post: #1177

Better question is why you're in these countries to even see this happening, if you've never seen a single white person with a girl above a 5 that obviously would include yourself, why would you stay in a country where you can't get anything better than a 5?

Why would any person travel to a another country and then want to use the local standards of beauty instead of their own personal standards anyway, what an utterly stupid concept. Why would I go to Brazil and chase girls I consider fat and unattractive just to get kudos from the locals when I can get a girl I find far more attractive by using my own standards of beauty?

Post: #1178

Not buying that there are any developing countries where your SMV isn’t higher as a white dude than in the US.

Post: #1179

(02-01-2019 08:33 AM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:17 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:11 AM)Luka Dončić Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 11:00 PM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  I spent significant time in SEAsia in my early 20s and dated some really lovely girls in the 18-22 age bracket. They were young, attractive and the majority came from middle-class families.. These girls were hardly washed up/leftovers, they simply preferred foreign men. Maybe they weren't 9s and 10s but most were attractive enough to have their pick of a local guy if they actually wanted one.

What bubble are you living in, bro? A wholesome 'good' middle-class girl will prefer a foreign white guy?! Haha. Dating/marrying a white man is looked down upon and even frowned in most non-white cultures whether in the West or 3rd world shithole.

Suffice to say, white men get the bottom 10% or 20% of non-white women. For black men and interracial dating -- its even worst; they get the bottom 5% or 10% of non-black women.

(02-01-2019 05:37 AM)earlgrey Wrote:  So this Luka was banned because he had an opposite viewpoint to the majority in this thread. He could have kept it a little more civilized but not the worst that RVF has seen.

Who gets salty enough on an anonymous Internet forum to report and ban? Maybe I'll start throwing out reports to ban everywhere too.

Roosh is primarily funded by angry white men in the anglosphere. He has to post content that caters to them. Without support from white men, Roosh would most likely be homeless on the streets of Eastern Europe running game from his sidewalk. He would have to do his 'Roosh Hour' from a cafe (that provides free wifi) or a public library.

I do not think Roosh is bi or homosexual, but based on his thought process, he probably would engage in sodomy (anal/oral) with at least 1 white man. He loves white men.

I'm actually glad you wrote that because it is true.

Most western guys do end up with the bottom half of the local women but feel like they've made a catch (and perhaps compared to the west they have).

A lot of the older dudes are dating single mums over here as well.

Even my ex, I later found out, wasn't appealing to Vietnamese guys because she is a tattoo artist. In Vietnam this is seen as a terrible profession that no future mother in law would allow. She was dating a police officer (she earns more than him) and the mother in law forebade their relationship because it wouldn't fit in with their family.

It was a win for me that they were backwards about tattooing as a profession at least.

Okay, so you once dated a girl you found out wasn't popular with locals.. Cool story.

You seem to be focusing on older guys going over and dating women in their 30s and 40s. Most of these men are 60+ and are divorced, have grown children and have now retired in South East Asia. These men won't be getting their pick of local girls, no shit. But they will do far better in Asia than they will at home.

There is one hell of a difference between that and being a successful, young white guy with an amazing passport and no kids/ex wife. Like I said, maybe 10% of girls are out of range because they won't date foreigners, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think guys like that can find a wholesome, feminine woman under 25.

I could fill threads with anecdotes of Vietnamese/Thai girls flat out telling me they stongly dislike local men and fear having to marry one.

What kind of women were they? Young and successful or were they waitresses or something of that ilk?

I'm not an expert on Vietnam; I've been there nearly two years, and can only judge from what I've seen first hand. Perhaps if I spoke Vietnamese I could know a lot more.

But again, speaking from what I have seen, I've never seen a white dude come here and date an attractive and successful woman (think lawyer, business manager, doctor etc.)

Post: #1180

(02-02-2019 04:14 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:33 AM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:17 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:11 AM)Luka Dončić Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 11:00 PM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  I spent significant time in SEAsia in my early 20s and dated some really lovely girls in the 18-22 age bracket. They were young, attractive and the majority came from middle-class families.. These girls were hardly washed up/leftovers, they simply preferred foreign men. Maybe they weren't 9s and 10s but most were attractive enough to have their pick of a local guy if they actually wanted one.

What bubble are you living in, bro? A wholesome 'good' middle-class girl will prefer a foreign white guy?! Haha. Dating/marrying a white man is looked down upon and even frowned in most non-white cultures whether in the West or 3rd world shithole.

Suffice to say, white men get the bottom 10% or 20% of non-white women. For black men and interracial dating -- its even worst; they get the bottom 5% or 10% of non-black women.

(02-01-2019 05:37 AM)earlgrey Wrote:  So this Luka was banned because he had an opposite viewpoint to the majority in this thread. He could have kept it a little more civilized but not the worst that RVF has seen.

Who gets salty enough on an anonymous Internet forum to report and ban? Maybe I'll start throwing out reports to ban everywhere too.

Roosh is primarily funded by angry white men in the anglosphere. He has to post content that caters to them. Without support from white men, Roosh would most likely be homeless on the streets of Eastern Europe running game from his sidewalk. He would have to do his 'Roosh Hour' from a cafe (that provides free wifi) or a public library.

I do not think Roosh is bi or homosexual, but based on his thought process, he probably would engage in sodomy (anal/oral) with at least 1 white man. He loves white men.

I'm actually glad you wrote that because it is true.

Most western guys do end up with the bottom half of the local women but feel like they've made a catch (and perhaps compared to the west they have).

A lot of the older dudes are dating single mums over here as well.

Even my ex, I later found out, wasn't appealing to Vietnamese guys because she is a tattoo artist. In Vietnam this is seen as a terrible profession that no future mother in law would allow. She was dating a police officer (she earns more than him) and the mother in law forebade their relationship because it wouldn't fit in with their family.

It was a win for me that they were backwards about tattooing as a profession at least.

Okay, so you once dated a girl you found out wasn't popular with locals.. Cool story.

You seem to be focusing on older guys going over and dating women in their 30s and 40s. Most of these men are 60+ and are divorced, have grown children and have now retired in South East Asia. These men won't be getting their pick of local girls, no shit. But they will do far better in Asia than they will at home.

There is one hell of a difference between that and being a successful, young white guy with an amazing passport and no kids/ex wife. Like I said, maybe 10% of girls are out of range because they won't date foreigners, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think guys like that can find a wholesome, feminine woman under 25.

I could fill threads with anecdotes of Vietnamese/Thai girls flat out telling me they stongly dislike local men and fear having to marry one.

What kind of women were they? Young and successful or were they waitresses or something of that ilk?

I'm not an expert on Vietnam; I've been there nearly two years, and can only judge from what I've seen first hand. Perhaps if I spoke Vietnamese I could know a lot more.

But again, speaking from what I have seen, I've never seen a white dude come here and date an attractive and successful woman (think lawyer, business manager, doctor etc.)

Why would I want to date a lawyer or doctor, etc? It's not that important. Mostly I judge women based off their personality/history, their looks and their age. Career is an after thought for me and I think most guys here. A 22 year old waitress is more appealing to me than a 28 year old lawyer all else being equal.

Girls I dated were mostly university students, a couple worked at hotels, one in a clothing store and one in a jewelry store. Almost all lived at home with parents. Like I said I'm not trying to claim I was getting the top 10% of women, but the claim that we're all settling for leftovers is laughable, especially when you are at least decent looking with at least decent game. If you're an incel, 50 year old overweight, short bald guys - then yes, you're probably settling for some type of bar-girl or other undesirable woman. But you can aim higher than that.

Post: #1181

(02-03-2019 08:32 PM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 04:14 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:33 AM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:17 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:11 AM)Luka Dončić Wrote:  What bubble are you living in, bro? A wholesome 'good' middle-class girl will prefer a foreign white guy?! Haha. Dating/marrying a white man is looked down upon and even frowned in most non-white cultures whether in the West or 3rd world shithole.

Suffice to say, white men get the bottom 10% or 20% of non-white women. For black men and interracial dating -- its even worst; they get the bottom 5% or 10% of non-black women.



Roosh is primarily funded by angry white men in the anglosphere. He has to post content that caters to them. Without support from white men, Roosh would most likely be homeless on the streets of Eastern Europe running game from his sidewalk. He would have to do his 'Roosh Hour' from a cafe (that provides free wifi) or a public library.

I do not think Roosh is bi or homosexual, but based on his thought process, he probably would engage in sodomy (anal/oral) with at least 1 white man. He loves white men.

I'm actually glad you wrote that because it is true.

Most western guys do end up with the bottom half of the local women but feel like they've made a catch (and perhaps compared to the west they have).

A lot of the older dudes are dating single mums over here as well.

Even my ex, I later found out, wasn't appealing to Vietnamese guys because she is a tattoo artist. In Vietnam this is seen as a terrible profession that no future mother in law would allow. She was dating a police officer (she earns more than him) and the mother in law forebade their relationship because it wouldn't fit in with their family.

It was a win for me that they were backwards about tattooing as a profession at least.

Okay, so you once dated a girl you found out wasn't popular with locals.. Cool story.

You seem to be focusing on older guys going over and dating women in their 30s and 40s. Most of these men are 60+ and are divorced, have grown children and have now retired in South East Asia. These men won't be getting their pick of local girls, no shit. But they will do far better in Asia than they will at home.

There is one hell of a difference between that and being a successful, young white guy with an amazing passport and no kids/ex wife. Like I said, maybe 10% of girls are out of range because they won't date foreigners, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think guys like that can find a wholesome, feminine woman under 25.

I could fill threads with anecdotes of Vietnamese/Thai girls flat out telling me they stongly dislike local men and fear having to marry one.

What kind of women were they? Young and successful or were they waitresses or something of that ilk?

I'm not an expert on Vietnam; I've been there nearly two years, and can only judge from what I've seen first hand. Perhaps if I spoke Vietnamese I could know a lot more.

But again, speaking from what I have seen, I've never seen a white dude come here and date an attractive and successful woman (think lawyer, business manager, doctor etc.)

Why would I want to date a lawyer or doctor, etc? It's not that important. Mostly I judge women based off their personality/history, their looks and their age. Career is an after thought for me and I think most guys here. A 22 year old waitress is more appealing to me than a 28 year old lawyer all else being equal.

Girls I dated were mostly university students, a couple worked at hotels, one in a clothing store and one in a jewelry store. Almost all lived at home with parents. Like I said I'm not trying to claim I was getting the top 10% of women, but the claim that we're all settling for leftovers is laughable, especially when you are at least decent looking with at least decent game. If you're an incel, 50 year old overweight, short bald guys - then yes, you're probably settling for some type of bar-girl or other undesirable woman. But you can aim higher than that.

Its completely normal for them to live with their parents until they are married.

I'm not trying to shit on the westerners here btw. I just mean no foreigner is dating a top tier woman (attractive and high status).

I'd agree with you all that as long as they are happy and the women are attractive and decent to them then that's all that really matters.

Post: #1182

I think it depends what you are looking for. I don't care if she is from the 1% and don't want her to have a job.

Ideal would be:

18 years old
attractive
works out (or will do)
sweet
more honest than usual
good values
no job, no uni

That's my top 10%. I don't know if these girls would normally be considered top 10%.

I can see that some places you might run into a lot of problems with the parents and social customs, but if you are talking about Russia, Europe, LatAm I don't see why a top 10% American wouldn't be able to get interest from a top 10% local. I speak with a couple of guys from here who are looking; higher end economics and they have very nice prospects and girls they've met overseas.

(02-03-2019 09:13 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I just mean no foreigner is dating a top tier woman (attractive and high status).

I was with a girl from a top 1% income family in Asia; girl was hot with a great body and bobs, hyper sweet. But the reason it ended was probably due to her parents who'd disowned another child for marrying a foreigner. But great experience. I'll take as many of those as I can along the way; and I'm not going to get anything like that back home.

Post: #1183

I think the thing I avoid is village girls who move to the cities (as a general rule).

The issue with dating someone who cant financially keep their head above water is that the onus will lead you to having to take care of them (and often their family) and i'm not willing to be beta bucks.

Post: #1184

(02-04-2019 01:49 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I think the thing I avoid is village girls who move to the cities (as a general rule).

The issue with dating someone who cant financially keep their head above water is that the onus will lead you to having to take care of them (and often their family) and i'm not willing to be beta bucks.

Yeah because nothing screams alpha like your wife having to work because you can't/wont take care of her and your children financially...

Post: #1185

(02-04-2019 04:14 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 01:49 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I think the thing I avoid is village girls who move to the cities (as a general rule).

The issue with dating someone who cant financially keep their head above water is that the onus will lead you to having to take care of them (and often their family) and i'm not willing to be beta bucks.

Yeah because nothing screams alpha like your wife having to work because you can't/wont take care of her and your children financially...

Beta Bucks philosophy has always been to woo them by providing for them.

I understand why some people are lured into - maybe most people would be tempted to be a kept person if they could get away with it. I think I could never be a kept person because I have goals and ambitions to meet and I'd imagine a woman who's worth a damn would have their own goals too.

Post: #1186

(02-04-2019 01:49 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I think the thing I avoid is village girls who move to the cities (as a general rule).

The issue with dating someone who cant financially keep their head above water is that the onus will lead you to having to take care of them (and often their family) and i'm not willing to be beta bucks.

Spit out that blue pill, brother.

Female Lawyers, Doctors, CEOs etc - those are worthless status signifiers for women.

Those are things WOMEN find attractive. They're what the WOMEN in your life taught you YOU should find attractive.

Youth, good nature, fertility, beauty. Every one of those things is more important than education or career in a woman.

If you're just going to use her as a fuck toy, then fuck whatever old hag or career broad you want. Enjoy the decline, whatever.

If you're going to be a patriarch, choose wisely.

Post: #1187

This came up a few months ago and it was a mini debate on what people wanted from a woman. I was in the camp that also wanted intelligence and financial stability along with attraction and good nature. It may even be too much to ask for but i'm willing to hold out.

I think I would rather be a bachelor for life over marrying who cant hold an interesting conversation. Otherwise i'd rather just keep having no strings attached sex.

Post: #1188

There is a big difference between attraction and arousal... when was the last time you had a boner after hearing some intelligent comments coming of a woman’s mouth? LoL.
Woman know deep down that doesn’t attract men. But the whole feminist movement is about trying to convince men to buy into this ideology, because it just aligns perfectly wIth their hypergamous strategies. They need to give the ugly intelligent women a chance too!

Post: #1189

(02-04-2019 09:09 AM)Trancemission Wrote:  There is a big difference between attraction and arousal... when was the last time you had a boner after hearing some intelligent comments coming of a woman’s mouth? LoL.
Woman know deep down that doesn’t attract men. But the whole feminist movement is about trying to convince men to buy into this ideology, because it just aligns perfectly wIth their hypergamous strategies. They need to give the ugly intelligent women a chance too!

Oh for sex its just looks and having a good time with them.

If we're talking about relationships factors such as intelligence and having an interesting conversation come into play.

Post: #1190

(02-04-2019 08:30 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  This came up a few months ago and it was a mini debate on what people wanted from a woman. I was in the camp that also wanted intelligence and financial stability along with attraction and good nature. It may even be too much to ask for but i'm willing to hold out.

I think I would rather be a bachelor for life over marrying who cant hold an interesting conversation. Otherwise i'd rather just keep having no strings attached sex.

For mine a woman who'd rather ride the career carousel than be a good mother to children is a sign of a lack of intelligence and a truly undesirable trait in a potential long term partner.

Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Post: #1191

Quote:Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

Then you'll be a beta bucks provider.

If you plan on living in a western country, then think twice about marrying someone who earns significantly less than you, or doesn't earn at all. It's just asking to be divorce raped.

Post: #1192

(02-04-2019 01:26 PM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 08:30 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  This came up a few months ago and it was a mini debate on what people wanted from a woman. I was in the camp that also wanted intelligence and financial stability along with attraction and good nature. It may even be too much to ask for but i'm willing to hold out.

I think I would rather be a bachelor for life over marrying who cant hold an interesting conversation. Otherwise i'd rather just keep having no strings attached sex.

For mine a woman who'd rather ride the career carousel than be a good mother to children is a sign of a lack of intelligence and a truly undesirable trait in a potential long term partner.

Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

I'm not planning to have kids so a stay at home wife is insane

Post: #1193

(02-04-2019 07:18 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 01:26 PM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 08:30 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  This came up a few months ago and it was a mini debate on what people wanted from a woman. I was in the camp that also wanted intelligence and financial stability along with attraction and good nature. It may even be too much to ask for but i'm willing to hold out.

I think I would rather be a bachelor for life over marrying who cant hold an interesting conversation. Otherwise i'd rather just keep having no strings attached sex.

For mine a woman who'd rather ride the career carousel than be a good mother to children is a sign of a lack of intelligence and a truly undesirable trait in a potential long term partner.

Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

I'm not planning to have kids so having a wife is insane

Fixed that for you.

Post: #1194

(02-05-2019 08:43 AM)Malone Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 07:18 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 01:26 PM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 08:30 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  This came up a few months ago and it was a mini debate on what people wanted from a woman. I was in the camp that also wanted intelligence and financial stability along with attraction and good nature. It may even be too much to ask for but i'm willing to hold out.

I think I would rather be a bachelor for life over marrying who cant hold an interesting conversation. Otherwise i'd rather just keep having no strings attached sex.

For mine a woman who'd rather ride the career carousel than be a good mother to children is a sign of a lack of intelligence and a truly undesirable trait in a potential long term partner.

Honestly, if I'm not man enough to financially provide that's a flaw in me that needs fixing and not a trait I'm looking for in a potential wife to cover for it.

I'm not planning to have kids so having a wife is insane

Fixed that for you.

I have mixed feelings about marriage. I've red a shit ton of red pill material saying marriage is a terrible contract that consistently fucks men. Also, the statistic that shows the number of divorces and unhappy marriages is over 60 percent which is pretty damn tragic.

However, i'd prefer a LTR at some point and it naturally leads to marriage after a while. I'd actually be fine with no marriage, but I always presume a woman will want it.

Back to theme of Intelligence; Richard from Entrepreneurs with Cars made a good video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JxgcP33PSA

Post: #1195

If you go to Reddit's Married Red Pill forum, they say that marriage is like playing on hard mode. It's very true.

Keeping a woman attracted and content over the long haul is difficult, maybe impossible. They just aren't made that way.

Post: #1196

Is it possible to meet a virgin girl 18-22 on tinder? Or any online site? Anyone ever done it? (Or at least a woman who claimed to be).

Female virginity implies modesty, not sure how that can exist online where they are exposed to thousands of men.

Post: #1197

Yes, it's possible. I've seen it done. But you better be prepared to consider motives. No Traditional girl will be on tinder, or at least one worth settling for. All sluts started out as virgins. So for your question: virgins, yes. Traditional? No.

Also consider her standards will be high after being able to match with Chad's even if she is average. She may have yearning in her mind.

Post: #1198

(02-05-2019 09:49 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  Also, the statistic that shows the number of divorces and unhappy marriages is over 60 percent which is pretty damn tragic.

But what is the unhappiness rate of men/women over 50 with no spouse and no romantic prospects. Must be 90%+. If you could run most people's lives with a marriage and without, I think most would choose the marriage option over being alone forever. And a lot of the people (mainly women) who'd choose the single life would just be thinking they could get a better husband, but most likely wouldn't.

Post: #1199

If you as a man couldn’t handle spending your life alone and be on your own path then you got a problem. Being wIth someone won’t make you any happier if you weren’t happy being alone anyway...

Post: #1200

(02-05-2019 03:37 PM)gework Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:49 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  Also, the statistic that shows the number of divorces and unhappy marriages is over 60 percent which is pretty damn tragic.

But what is the unhappiness rate of men/women over 50 with no spouse and no romantic prospects. Must be 90%+. If you could run most people's lives with a marriage and without, I think most would choose the marriage option over being alone forever. And a lot of the people (mainly women) who'd choose the single life would just be thinking they could get a better husband, but most likely wouldn't.

Haha this is the internal strife of being a single dude in their 30s.

To settle down and chance it with woman or to just accept the bachelor life and try and make it as meaningful as possible.

I'd imagine all men with an IQ over a 100 would have put a lot of thought into this by age 35.