Post: #1

The title says it all, first of all: most of us will agree that gaming women became more difficult since a few years, even more so during this very year. Many factors are involved such as social media, low budget airlines, feminism and the list goes on.

I'm currently at the infamous Keflavík Airport. I had to think about Roosh being detained and I stumbled back on the forum, to find some people complaining it's more difficult to keep up with everything. I felt slightly pessimistic when I looked at the forum. Perhaps the golden years of this forum are long gone (although that's a whole different discussion and who am I to judge). As I decided to travel the world for one year starting in a few months from now I was even having some thoughts I shouldn't. Which is nonsense, so I don't feel like we should continue like this. I did some research and it isn't being widely discussed but still somewhat of a hot topic. Or let's say it occupies the minds of the most of us. This is something that will be mentioned in Roosh his new book as far as I understood.

Anyhow I thought it would be a good idea to create a central thread where we can discuss the change of times. Globalism is a fact. But if we give it the right twist things can be much better and more fun.

One of the fortunate yet relatively unknown things is that not only social dynamics change, so do countries. So it would be a good idea to discuss both social dynamics and the evolution of countries.

Riga, for example, used to be stag party paradise several years ago. It's been back to normal or even better than before.
[Consider this an example only. If this thread is still active in some years from now things might be different again, but this has happened for sure]

We should bring both negative and positive signals to the light and implement the right response. Look at it as a cat-and-mouse game. Sometimes the rest of the world wins, sometime we win. We don't give in.

But as the world is changing, so should we.

How are we going to change? What works nowadays? What changed in women? What countries are evolving for the worse or for the better?

Post: #2

(09-05-2018 02:46 PM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  The title says it all, first of all: most of us will agree that gaming women became more difficult since a few years, even more so during this very year. Many factors are involved such as social media, low budget airlines, feminism and the list goes on.

I'm currently at the infamous Keflavík Airport. I had to think about Roosh being detained and I stumbled back on the forum, to find some people complaining it's more difficult to keep up with everything. I felt slightly pessimistic when I looked at the forum. Perhaps the golden years of this forum are long gone (although that's a whole different discussion and who am I to judge). As I decided to travel the world for one year starting in a few months from now I was even having some thoughts I shouldn't. Which is nonsense, so I don't feel like we should continue like this. I did some research and it isn't being widely discussed but still somewhat of a hot topic. Or let's say it occupies the minds of the most of us. This is something that will be mentioned in Roosh his new book as far as I understood.

Anyhow I thought it would be a good idea to create a central thread where we can discuss the change of times. Globalism is a fact. But if we give it the right twist things can be much better and more fun.

One of the fortunate yet relatively unknown things is that not only social dynamics change, so do countries. So it would be a good idea to discuss both social dynamics and the evolution of countries.

Riga, for example, used to be stag party paradise several years ago. It's been back to normal or even better than before.
[Consider this an example only. If this thread is still active in some years from now things might be different again, but this has happened for sure]

We should bring both negative and positive signals to the light and implement the right response. Look at it as a cat-and-mouse game. Sometimes the rest of the world wins, sometime we win. We don't give in.

But as the world is changing, so should we.

How are we going to change? What works nowadays? What changed in women? What countries are evolving for the worse or for the better?

Good idea for a thread!

However I disagree that game is necessarily getting harder. Men are also getting more soy/betafied these days, and that will increase in the years to come. This is related closely to diet and insulin resistance+a few other issues, again dealing with mostly diet. (pseudo/phytoestrogens etc.) So there is less competition as a consequence of these things, not more, if you do the opposite of what most guys are doing of course. Meaning; Paleo diet, building some muscle, alpha attitude and so on.

I actually think that it`s easier now than in is say the 80`s, since back then basically all guys where at least thin and relatively masculine in their behaviour. If you look at it from a woman`s perspective for a second, feminism has made it a lot harder to find a "normal" (meaning macho) man. This overrides all the online dating-smartphone BS. Meet women in real life instead, with the principles mentioned above. I refuse to play that game at all, and there is no need to. Just eat healthy, train hard and act like a savage around women and things will work out fine.

Post: #3

(09-05-2018 03:22 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  Good idea for a thread!

However I disagree that game is necessarily getting harder. Men are also getting more soy/betafied these days, and that will increase in the years to come. This is related closely to diet and insulin resistance+a few other issues, again dealing with mostly diet. (pseudo/phytoestrogens etc.) So there is less competition as a consequence of these things, not more, if you do the opposite of what most guys are doing of course. Meaning; Paleo diet, building some muscle, alpha attitude and so on.

I actually think that it`s easier now than in is say the 80`s, since back then basically all guys where at least thin and relatively masculine in their behaviour. If you look at it from a woman`s perspective for a second, feminism has made it a lot harder to find a "normal" (meaning macho) man. This overrides all the online dating-smartphone BS. Meet women in real life instead, with the principles mentioned above. I refuse to lay that game at all, and there is no need to. Just eat healthy, train hard and act like a savage around women and things will work out fine.

Thank you for your response, and I'm glad you appreciate the idea of a central thread.

I was more or less quoting a statement made by many others in- and outside of the forum. It think it's a good idea to mention that I think it's important to hear from people who disagree as well, and why they don't. Their reasoning is important to think about.

Mostly from the somber tone I'm noticing, but one of the reasons I created this thread is because of this article written by Roosh himself as well. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to look deeper into the reasoning behind what he's writing.

We're on the same page. We shouldn't overlook the fact that the majority of men isn't thinking about chasing women. When it comes to Mother Nature: some have a higher sex drive than others. And then there's the abundance of video games, porn etc. Most people are hopping from one LTR to another, being satisfied with getting their sex every now and then and hoping it'll work out. This is my opinion. I'm eager to hear the opinion of others.

The competition is very variable. And wherever the competition appears, we will have to find out how we can keep up.

Post: #4

I just posted this in the “How’s 2018 treating you” post today and I think it’s relevant. The main difference I’ve noticed recently is that (and I think Roosh has mentioned this in a video) is that girls will now go out of their way to try to hurt you when they reject you. When I was beta in high school they’d try to let you down nicely, but now they’ll go out of their way to make it as painful for you as possible. I honestly think female rappers like Cardi B becoming mainstream is making sluts consciously have a “fuck chad get (free) money” attitude.

Post: #5

I think what has happened is that the rise of the social media and digital age has changed the way status and attractiveness of a man is presented to women. The mass cold-approach might have worked twenty years ago before the days of social media and the pickup movement was based on that. In its early years, things like approaching women at bars and chatting with them actually worked.

What has happened now is that with dating apps and social media, women prefer guys who are good at making themselves appear attractive in photos and showcase their fantasy than tell them about it. As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past and more status conscious, certain kinds of men who have caught on and fulfilled that niche have been the ones who are regularly getting hot girls.

I am not going to discount cold approach entirely, at times it can net good results, but I think what has become key for men now is to make themselves appear attractive in photos and socially desired in the social media age. The guys with high quality pics of them doing awesome things, having a quality social life and thousands of friends and followers are the ones women are genuinely curious about.

The way I think of it, just like we as a society went from going to corner stores and supermarkets to shopping online at Amazon, women have gone from shopping for guys at bars to shopping for them online.

Most of the gurus and experts out there have not picked up on this which has left a lot of men who generally listen to their advice lonely and frustrated.

The social media dislike is killing guys in the current age because it is like they are trying to fight against the change.

In a lot of cases, I try to limit the amount of advice I take from older guys because so many of them are just so out of touch with the modern age. It comes with old age for guys to be set in their ways and become more stubborn as opposed to adjusting to the given times. Then add to that there is envy among some older men who see younger men in their prime living out some of their youth which makes the intentions not as good when giving these young men advice.

I think we are in the dark ages right now because guys aren't able to catch up with the rapid change as it is happening.

Post: #6

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I think what has happened is that the rise of the social media and digital age has changed the way status and attractiveness of a man is presented to women. The mass cold-approach might have worked twenty years ago before the days of social media and the pickup movement was based on that. In its early years, things like approaching women at bars and chatting with them actually worked.

What has happened now is that with dating apps and social media, women prefer guys who are good at making themselves appear attractive in photos and showcase their fantasy than tell them about it. As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past and more status conscious, certain kinds of men who have caught on and fulfilled that niche have been the ones who are regularly getting hot girls.

I am not going to discount cold approach entirely, at times it can net good results, but I think what has become key for men now is to make themselves appear attractive in photos and socially desired in the social media age. The guys with high quality pics of them doing awesome things, having a quality social life and thousands of friends and followers are the ones women are genuinely curious about.

The way I think of it, just like we as a society went from going to corner stores and supermarkets to shopping online at Amazon, women have gone from shopping for guys at bars to shopping for them online.

Most of the gurus and experts out there have not picked up on this which has left a lot of men who generally listen to their advice lonely and frustrated.

The social media dislike is killing guys in the current age because it is like they are trying to fight against the change.

In a lot of cases, I try to limit the amount of advice I take from older guys because so many of them are just so out of touch with the modern age. It comes with old age for guys to be set in their ways and become more stubborn as opposed to adjusting to the given times. Then add to that there is envy among some older men who see younger men in their prime living out some of their youth which makes the intentions not as good when giving these young men advice.

I think we are in the dark ages right now because guys aren't able to catch up with the rapid change as it is happening.

I agree as far as cold approaches go. But if a woman gives you that unmistakable look as you pass her on the street etc...I still think approaching her then and there will be more effective than any app/social media based game. (I`ve never really cold approached anyone before, need a strong IOI first.)

I know I might sound old here, but it`s just the enormous drain on your time with these things. I mean, I see people that hardly live in the real world anymore. It just can`t be worth it! This even goes for my brother, who is almost a decade older than me. If you look good and have the physique, why bother with social media at all? If women want to fuck you when they see you in real life (not to sound arrogant here but...) then I see no point in that stuff. I`d rather have bigger biceps than a larger instagram following. (which is currently at zero btw)

Post: #7

(09-05-2018 08:33 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I think what has happened is that the rise of the social media and digital age has changed the way status and attractiveness of a man is presented to women. The mass cold-approach might have worked twenty years ago before the days of social media and the pickup movement was based on that. In its early years, things like approaching women at bars and chatting with them actually worked.

What has happened now is that with dating apps and social media, women prefer guys who are good at making themselves appear attractive in photos and showcase their fantasy than tell them about it. As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past and more status conscious, certain kinds of men who have caught on and fulfilled that niche have been the ones who are regularly getting hot girls.

I am not going to discount cold approach entirely, at times it can net good results, but I think what has become key for men now is to make themselves appear attractive in photos and socially desired in the social media age. The guys with high quality pics of them doing awesome things, having a quality social life and thousands of friends and followers are the ones women are genuinely curious about.

The way I think of it, just like we as a society went from going to corner stores and supermarkets to shopping online at Amazon, women have gone from shopping for guys at bars to shopping for them online.

Most of the gurus and experts out there have not picked up on this which has left a lot of men who generally listen to their advice lonely and frustrated.

The social media dislike is killing guys in the current age because it is like they are trying to fight against the change.

In a lot of cases, I try to limit the amount of advice I take from older guys because so many of them are just so out of touch with the modern age. It comes with old age for guys to be set in their ways and become more stubborn as opposed to adjusting to the given times. Then add to that there is envy among some older men who see younger men in their prime living out some of their youth which makes the intentions not as good when giving these young men advice.

I think we are in the dark ages right now because guys aren't able to catch up with the rapid change as it is happening.

I agree as far as cold approaches go. But if a woman gives you that unmistakable look as you pass her on the street etc...I still think approaching her then and there will be more effective than any app/social media based game. (I`ve never really cold approached anyone before, need a strong IOI first.)

I know I might sound old here, but it`s just the enormous drain on your time with these things. I mean, I see people that hardly live in the real world anymore. It just can`t be worth it! This even goes for my brother, who is almost a decade older than me. If you look good and have the physique, why bother with social media at all? If women want to fuck you when they see you in real life (not to sound arrogant here but...) then I see no point in that stuff. I`d rather have bigger biceps than a larger instagram following. (which is currently at zero btw)

Because it gives you unbelievably more options.

Its like saying why bother with game at all if you look good?

If you have a tool that is a strong tool, it would be foolish not to have good marketing behind it.

Post: #8

General trends:
- More options for women means "old school" strategies like mass texting numbers or restart texts don't work as much, if at all
- Looks are way more important than 10-20 years ago. The majority of what matters to a girl before she meets you is how you look on a photo or on your Instagram profile.
- Along with that, the *bar* for looks is increasing. 10 years ago, very few guys lifted with heavy compound movements. Now, every guy is doing Crossfit for Starting Strength. Guys are walking around way swoler than they were back in the day. You MUST lift and you must lift heavy to compete with the same niche.
- Hypergamy is increasing. Less and less top men are banging more and more women.
- Tinder has given an easy in for low-skill Chads to up their laycount without need for Game.
- Social media has all but killed PUA forums. The contemporary content and discussion takes place in closed Facebook groups. Useful, as you can actually see guys real faces and get a good idea of if they actually get laid or not.

Post: #9

Corsega nailed it.

I don't think these ALL apply to Germany but alot of them do. Some items specific to here:

-Its extremely rare here girls ask me for my Instagram and I can count on one hand how many times its happened.

-Nightgame is still effective but not efficient. Its still not a problem to go to most clubs here and approach and pull. Lines are still down the block at trendy parties and (if you got STRONG GAME) guys are going home with girls. Germany is old school and is very slow to change socially. I just don't see the social media penetration being as deep as what you guys are describing in other places. Not to say you don't need a decent instagram but I think your online dating pictures are the most important. Which brings me to my next point..

-Tinder and Lovoo with GREAT PICTURES is the way to go for both efficiency and effectiveness. Your reach through these apps is unmatched. I know guys here who don't even nightgame anymore since they got their niche down and the apps figured out.

-Looks are more important now but EXTREMELY important here if you aren't white or look white. You MUST lift and be in top 5% of the guys of the guys representing your nationality in your city if you want quality bangs. Otherwise you'll bang but get leftovers.

Fantastic thread.

Post: #10

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past

(09-05-2018 10:13 PM)corsega Wrote:  - Looks are way more important than 10-20 years ago.

Talking of changes, I think it's interesting how this forum has changed. You'd have got a warning from the mods for these posts when I first joined! haha. (Even though you're correct).

This seems to be one of the major changes. Women are getting as superficial as us guys!

The old idea of 'game' being able to compete with looks has basically disappeared!

I was actually thinking earlier about this stuff and I had the thought: ''maybe the old PUA's who insist that looks don't matter actually believe that because maybe that WAS the case back in their day, and they've not bothered too investigate whether it's still true! They just assume it must be, even though they stopped trying to hook upu with hot 19 year olds a few decades back!''

Post: #11

I’ll definitely agree that looks matter now more than they ever have. Soon you’ll have to be a 9 to bang a 4. I have to say though I think guys are overhyping social media. Sure there’s guys that use it to get laid and it HAS made things a lot harder for us, I think social media has a similar effect as Tinder where girls get tons of messages, and girls are on there primarily for attention. One thing I think is probably more important than even looks that plays in with the social media thing is social circle game. Women seem to care more about social status than anything else. If you’ve been to a fratty college you know what I mean.

Post: #12

Some general observations:

-Hoe mentality has been universally accepted and adopted across all continents (I think, not sure about Asia?). It is now absolutely normal for a woman to find a sugar daddy and sell her body for material benefit. This goes along with a much higher acceptance for dating old(er) men. Girls will now publicly post that they prefer men with experience, basically saying they want men with more money for them. This I believe is further strengthened by pop culture with hoes like Nicky Minaj and Kim Kardashian on TV all the time. These girls also have no real intellectual ambition, nor do they respect it in a man. Destinations like Dubai, the Bahamas, Panama, Monaco, etc. all known as hoe destinations will have plenty of poor but hot girls visiting taking their solo pics while an old guy is financing it in the back with no shame whatsoever.

-The family institution is now officially dead and we are moving towards a polygamic society, where the top men fuck all girls and the rest of the men remain behind. Reproduction rates in the west are already becoming negative and I don't see that improving soon.

-Physique, as mentioned before, has become very important. Expect to see big increases in men's surgical procedures to look better as well as cosmetics etc. Here, it is mostly the west as I have not noticed the same trend so much in Latin America and Africa. Strangely enough, people are also getting more fat so basically, there is a stronger divide. Those that do everything to look good and those that do not have the mindset and become unhealthy and fat.

-Social media remains very important, but you will need more effort for fewer results compared to a few years ago. This means Competition is growing a lot stronger. It is also once again money based. A guy with money can get a top photographer, he will pay Instagram automation tools, he will get tinder plus and gold, etc. Basically, without money, you are getting screwed on all levels.

-Women are every day more mentally ill, narcissism is basically normal these days with countless selfies, So many people have mental disorders and don't even realize it, technology made people unable to concentrate, unable to really read, to have normal empathic conversations etc. Emotionally people have never been more isolated and lonelier.

-Where back in the days a girl would get money for showing her body, now she will give it up for free or even pay for it (to be featured on IG pages and what not). The lines between feminine beauty and sex are gone, with the latter winning.

-Location is still the most important thing for men in order to get access to sex. I see guys with a lot of qualities doing absolutely nothing in the West and others with a lot less fucking girls in other countries. However, the better locations are seeing more and more tourists and are getting ruined as we know. The lesser known destinations are no longer being discussed here on the forum, since this fear of ruining a place is real. Too many non-contributing lurkers and posters also have changed this community for the worst. We can be sure that the top posters no longer give away their secrets, except in private chat groups of validated guys.

Overall, the conclusion is this: those men that are competitive in nature are becoming stronger, wealthier, better looking, have more (online) presence and are fucking a lot more girls. The amount of guys that are left behind grows every year, but they seem unable to react. The divide grows.

In women, the aim is now no longer to find a man to live with, it is to find many men and get out of them as much as possible, mainly money and sex. The divide is not so strong here as all women find men for that given the current beta levels.

Post: #13

Rotten apple, I agree with most of your points. I think we’re headed for full blown Weimar and it’s only going to get worse. I’m curious about you saying women are going after older guys, I’ve found that women in the West seem to be completely appalled by an established man going after younger girls who haven’t had 30 cocks in them yet for LTRs. My biggest fear is that I’m already far too old (I’m 22) to ever have a chance to meet a virgin to settle down with even if I leave the U.S. There’s a small window for the natural chads in high school and that’s really it when it comes to America. For me the player lifestyle was never really a first choice, and I feel like that’s the same story of a lot of guys here. I legitimately wanted meet a traditional girl I could build a family with when I was 16, but then I had the moment similar to what Roosh talks about in his senior year of college where I got angry and realized there ARE no non slutty girls past the age of 15 in America anymore. Luckily I just landed a pretty high paying job in a marketable field worldwide and in a college town, so as soon as I get an apartment here and I’m not at my parents house (I’m still in my work probation period) I’ll at least be able to game. While I’m in the U.S. I’m probably going to join an Orthodox Church and hope for the best. If I don’t meet any good girls and just end up having to endlessly game and bang sluts just to fulfill my needs, I’ll work on figuring out how to get a job in country [REDACTED] that for now at least is much more traditional than the West and where I’ll have some degree of a social circle in due to a longtime childhood friend.

Post: #14

I don´t know man. The biggest players I know, the ones with the hottest bitches, fastest cars and biggest wallets keep a very low profile in terms on internet game.

I am talking Instagram account with 400 followers (Closer friends and family member) and a Facebook with only family members to keep the elderly updated.

I am trying to move into this direction. I even have professional pics taken at one point. Did I fuck a lot of gals? Maybe. Did I ever fuck a 10 out of that? Never.
Competition is crazy. Better build an awesome life and live it that way. There are a lot of hot bitches that they do not want to deal with the social media crap anymore.

Post: #15

I'm an older guy and I've seen all these changes go down. Here is the thing... if you are trying to attract a woman through Tinder or Instagram... then your pictures matter. I would say looks/physique are about 50% and the other 50% is how cool you make your lifestyle look.

If you are meeting women on the street and running game in person... women have not changed much. In fact they are significantly sluttier than they were 20 years ago and have lower standards.

Let me explain something. Women hate being fucked and chucked. They hate being treated like they are disposable. They figure out that the hot guys on Tinder are drowning in pussy and they begin to avoid that shit. This is why the male to female ratio on these dating apps is so decidedly male. They often bounce to a few other apps, and find it's all the same issue. So, what do they do? Where do they go? Nowhere! I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

Post: #16

(09-06-2018 05:35 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Corsega nailed it.

I don't think these ALL apply to Germany but alot of them do. Some items specific to here:

-Its extremely rare here girls ask me for my Instagram and I can count on one hand how many times its happened.

-Nightgame is still effective but not efficient. Its still not a problem to go to most clubs here and approach and pull. Lines are still down the block at trendy parties and (if you got STRONG GAME) guys are going home with girls. Germany is old school and is very slow to change socially. I just don't see the social media penetration being as deep as what you guys are describing in other places. Not to say you don't need a decent instagram but I think your online dating pictures are the most important. Which brings me to my next point..

-Tinder and Lovoo with GREAT PICTURES is the way to go for both efficiency and effectiveness. Your reach through these apps is unmatched. I know guys here who don't even nightgame anymore since they got their niche down and the apps figured out.

-Looks are more important now but EXTREMELY important here if you aren't white or look white. You MUST lift and be in top 5% of the guys of the guys representing your nationality in your city if you want quality bangs. Otherwise you'll bang but get leftovers.

Fantastic thread.

Thank you for your input.

This is more than interesting to know. You wrote it at the perfect timing for me personally. Coming from the Netherlands myself (close to the border) and I was passing through Dusseldorf today. Both airport and train towards the Netherlands. I've been there many times. I didn't notice much of a change up until now, but today I noticed at least 3 girls checking me from head to toe. Not in a judgmental manner. Something a German never would do (should motivate you more to approach, it won't hurt you) but it's an interesting development. They want to see what they have in front of them and you should deliver. I have to think whether I welcome this development or not. Looks (mostly the way you dress) might be a bigger thing in Germany than I even thought. So for whoever is reading this, dress well over there.

My love for Germany is growing. As globalism is expanding I'm starting to care less about what country I'm in and I'm actually enjoying exploring grounds. To my surprise you eventually notice that some cultural things are deeply rooted and will never change. Something to keep in mind. It helps that I understand the language. But I think in Germany the women are a bit more feminine compared to my own country and are good conversationalists. I am not going to preach it's the paradise but it has it's charm. I'm considering staying in Berlin for a month during the next year and see what the results will be.

Another thing I noticed: It seems though that in the smaller cities in Western-Europe, time stands still which is pleasant. Things don't change at a rapid pace which makes it easier to adapt and even improve. I've been paying attention to changes in smaller cities in Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany. Downside, less potential leads.

Being from the Netherlands myself I can say Tinder is still going strong here. And it didn't change much when you compare it to let's say 3 years ago. I get the same amount of matches, women are responsive but a bit cold (It happens in NL/DE).

Some might hate it and some love to it to some degree, that Tinder exists. Me, I love it. I accept and understand the quality (a rule we should never forget) goes down compared to when you go actively daygaming but I have peace when it comes to that. I travel a lot and I like to have a good combo between sightseeing and chasing skirt. Tinder is efficient and has a high chance of success. It keeps delivering. But don't focus on it entirely. Nightgame does a lot of magic all the time as well.

Quote:Soon you’ll have to be a 9 to bang a 4.

@Weird Al Spankabitch I don't think this is true at all. Too pessimistic if you ask me. We shouldn't deny looks matter. They do. And hey, we wouldn't share the night with a 3/10 either right? Let's stick to our instincts. Well, girls do care as well. But if you're energetic, outgoing and above all having fun yourself you really have to do an awful job to screw it up. And you can learn from it if you do. It's usually your energy that kills the vibe. I'd say most of the time. If you keep thinking you might not look good enough for her how are you going to succeed? That way you'll be limiting yourself.

Some random thoughts: Whenever you travel to another country you should do your best to understand the local culture, maximize your looks, have fun and be outgoing. The gates will open and it will be impossible not to have a good time. It's a win-win situation.

Post: #17

(09-05-2018 09:57 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 08:33 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I think what has happened is that the rise of the social media and digital age has changed the way status and attractiveness of a man is presented to women. The mass cold-approach might have worked twenty years ago before the days of social media and the pickup movement was based on that. In its early years, things like approaching women at bars and chatting with them actually worked.

What has happened now is that with dating apps and social media, women prefer guys who are good at making themselves appear attractive in photos and showcase their fantasy than tell them about it. As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past and more status conscious, certain kinds of men who have caught on and fulfilled that niche have been the ones who are regularly getting hot girls.

I am not going to discount cold approach entirely, at times it can net good results, but I think what has become key for men now is to make themselves appear attractive in photos and socially desired in the social media age. The guys with high quality pics of them doing awesome things, having a quality social life and thousands of friends and followers are the ones women are genuinely curious about.

The way I think of it, just like we as a society went from going to corner stores and supermarkets to shopping online at Amazon, women have gone from shopping for guys at bars to shopping for them online.

Most of the gurus and experts out there have not picked up on this which has left a lot of men who generally listen to their advice lonely and frustrated.

The social media dislike is killing guys in the current age because it is like they are trying to fight against the change.

In a lot of cases, I try to limit the amount of advice I take from older guys because so many of them are just so out of touch with the modern age. It comes with old age for guys to be set in their ways and become more stubborn as opposed to adjusting to the given times. Then add to that there is envy among some older men who see younger men in their prime living out some of their youth which makes the intentions not as good when giving these young men advice.

I think we are in the dark ages right now because guys aren't able to catch up with the rapid change as it is happening.

I agree as far as cold approaches go. But if a woman gives you that unmistakable look as you pass her on the street etc...I still think approaching her then and there will be more effective than any app/social media based game. (I`ve never really cold approached anyone before, need a strong IOI first.)

I know I might sound old here, but it`s just the enormous drain on your time with these things. I mean, I see people that hardly live in the real world anymore. It just can`t be worth it! This even goes for my brother, who is almost a decade older than me. If you look good and have the physique, why bother with social media at all? If women want to fuck you when they see you in real life (not to sound arrogant here but...) then I see no point in that stuff. I`d rather have bigger biceps than a larger instagram following. (which is currently at zero btw)

Because it gives you unbelievably more options.

Its like saying why bother with game at all if you look good?

If you have a tool that is a strong tool, it would be foolish not to have good marketing behind it.

I see your point of course! But for me it`s not worth the time you have to invest in it. To each his own I guess. But you can game successfully without it even in todays world, as long as you have certain things going for you. For me the hard part is not getting her attention, but going from initial attraction to the bedroom I do find to be difficult. I`m just not good at talking to people in general, and even more so girls. They like me best before I start talking it seems

Post: #18

(09-06-2018 10:12 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

Grocery store? What grocery store?

The amount of women that actually visit a store to gasp buy groceries and cook for themselves is diminishing.

I live most of my life in San Francisco. Girls here live on a steady diet of food delivery services. They take Ubers to and from the few places they go to.

Girls aren't going outside as much as they used to, which means opportunities for daygame are decreasing.

However, opportunities for online game are increasing at the same rate, because the time they used to spend outside and at the grocery store they now spend scrolling through their Instagram feeds and swiping on Tinder.

Post: #19

Op it says your Twitter account has been suspended, been a naughty boy?

Post: #20

Looks don't matter more than they used to. Girls are absolutely sluttier, they matter less. They crave experiences, newness, taboo sex, a FWB who's not clingy. I've literally never been asked for my IG. Hell, 'dad bods' are even a thing for girls now. Of course, being fitter is a generic advantage, sure, but lotsa girls are very suspicious of guys that are 'too good looking' or 'too fit,' figuring them to be narcissistic, or gay, just gonna fuck and run, treat them like shit, etc.

IMHO, restart texts worked as well as they ever did. If the girl wasn't interested in you before, she won't be now. Same as it ever was.

You know what matters more than ever? Confidence. In my top 5 traits girls are looking for that's #1, 2, and 4.

Pro tip: the hotter/younger the girl, the more she lacks confidence. Even if she puts up a bitch shield at first.

Post: #21

(09-06-2018 08:32 AM)Palo_alto Wrote:  I don´t know man. The biggest players I know, the ones with the hottest bitches, fastest cars and biggest wallets keep a very low profile in terms on internet game.

I am talking Instagram account with 400 followers (Closer friends and family member) and a Facebook with only family members to keep the elderly updated.

I am trying to move into this direction. I even have professional pics taken at one point. Did I fuck a lot of gals? Maybe. Did I ever fuck a 10 out of that? Never.
Competition is crazy. Better build an awesome life and live it that way. There are a lot of hot bitches that they do not want to deal with the social media crap anymore.

A few months ago I got a photographer friend of mine to take me some awesome pictures. My matches skyrocketed. Still, it wasn't so easy to actually get dates.

I have a couple of friends who are relatively wealthy and very popular in social media and post DHV things showing off their money and it's ridiculous when you see the attention they get from girls.

Still I get your point, try to find the CEO of a very profitable local business (I'm not talking about celebrity entrepreneurs like Elon Musk but 1% people of your city) in social media, it's difficult, most of them prefer to be off radar and I understand why, depending on where do you live it can probably attract the wrong kind of attention.

Post: #22

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Most of the gurus and experts out there have not picked up on this which has left a lot of men who generally listen to their advice lonely and frustrated.

The social media dislike is killing guys in the current age because it is like they are trying to fight against the change.

I'm going to have to stop you right here, because of this entire thread where you obsessed about having Dan Bilzerian's life style and trying to figure out how he did:

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and the wrote more about it here:

/thread-69375...pid1831675

You got alot of good responses of why that's irresponsible and an unhealthy toxic view of lifestyles.

You were literally thinking about dropping your white collar job or pick up a second job being a bartender when you didn't understand the basics of what dan was doing with his social media.

I didn't want to write this but we need some transparency of where you're writing from, but I know you're improving your life and you even got laid recently which was a great story to read.

Look, noone dislikes social media, we understand it's a powerful tool but that's based on alot of factors, especially if it's organic.

But Dan is NOT a good example

It doesn't mean that "game" is getting hard.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

That's always been a Marine motto and a game motto.

I can literally count on my hands how many girls I've fucked that follow me on social media - matter of fact all of my current plates don't follow me on IG, only 1 has raised the question of why - simply replying it makes things less complicated.

I've got more than 1000 followers (might be laughable to some) on IG and rarely post on there, sure I have a presence and the occasional girl who DM's me.

Guys have to have the BASICS down before even thinking about adapting it to their social media platforms.

But most the guys complaining are amateurs at best or have never really day/night gamed or approached for that matter.

The guys claiming that social media denial is "killing" their game is absolute bullshit - matter of fact its a projection of their own failings.

They aren't failing, they're still banging girls, they just don't have an ADDED SUPPLEMENTAL PUSSY STREAM.

The guys who kill it daygaming/nightgaming will always be killing it no matter what. That shit doesn't change.

I can personally tell you I recently witnessed multiple forum members who got bangs from approaching on a night out on town, without social media or dating apps.

HOWEVER, the whole SCOPE of game is ALWAYS evolving and changing - that's the beauty of it, you're always learning, adapting, improvising, and overcoming game challenges.

Corsega is absolutely right in saying yeah some shits changed, like mandatory lifting, more options for women, hypergamy is ever increasing etc.

This was all ALREADY predicted more than 5 years by guys on this forum and other places.

If we're talking about the pros of social media then here's the cons:

-You're not attractive - you're SOL.
-You don't live a great adventurous life - you're SOL.
-You aren't creative with your photos or stories - you're SOL.
-Competition with guys who have "official" accounts.
-Competition with guys with more followers
-Women are the choosers, once again men are mass DMing girls on IG.

There's a ton of negatives along with positives with social media and I prefer keeping my life less complicated and drama free.

There's no old dog no new tricks here.

There's only wolves who are hungry and motivated to adapt and get that pussy.

Post: #23

Hi Koatic,
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to social media . I do mainly daygame as I don’t drink and I sleep early .
But here the question for you , why are you using online exclusively for your game ?
I am just curious, not attacking your point

Post: #24

(09-06-2018 06:23 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Hi Koatic,
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to social media . I do mainly daygame as I don’t drink and I sleep early .
But here the question for you , why are you using online exclusively for your game ?
I am just curious, not attacking your point

I don't, I never said, or claimed that. You might want to re-read my posts since English isn't your first language.

You also have some bigger things to worry about fixing:

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Post: #25

Dude , you don’t have to be aggressive . It was innocent question. At least , you stated before that your main source of lays is online. I was asking maybe you can give us insights why this is the case for you . Maybe advantages we don’t know