Post: #476

(08-24-2018 02:49 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Sent my mother the tucker video the other night along with a note that basically said these people in charge want people like you dead. They vacation in SA often.

She already knew and said that it's too late to change their plans for this year but she wrote that

'It has always been muted since the anc took over. The whites have been oppressed apartheid in reverse. It will ruin a beautiful country. Very sad.'

Enough said.

Whites are free to go back to Europe, we Africans ill just take back what rightfully belongs to us. Boers can go to Russia or Georgia they won't be missed. Whites stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

Post: #477

The Green parties are melons - green on the outside and red on the inside.

Post: #478

(08-25-2018 03:08 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I've read up on the history of the Boer in the last few days.

The city of Orania is an interesting case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

It's a Boer freetown, something like an amish town, just with modern tech, a religious city, living alone to escape having to deal with the rest of South Africa.

They've been there since the 60's but never got above a few hundred inhabitants until the 2000s. Now they have 1500+ with a quarter of those children.

They receive zero funding or help from the government, purely self sufficient.

They are growing now, exporting crops to China, they have school (100% graduation), cinema, shopping mall, public pools, all the things you expect from a normal city.

They also have their own currency.

The city is so safe they don't even have a policeforce and they use mostly arbitration and negotiation to settle legal disputes, only use the courts in South Africa in serious cases.

This is a perfect example of how South Africa came to be. Orania is nothing special, just another European frontier town. Just like any other frontiner town through history. They're 1500 now, in 50 years they can be 15.000, in 100 years they can be 100.000.

The question is, what is stopping the Bantu from doing the exact same thing?

Orania receives no government money, they do all the manual labor themselves, they mockingly got called poor by foreign media (claimed 80% poverty rate lol).

Even Molema and Mandela have visited. They have no problem with Orania.

The problem is, once Orania starts growing and becoming successful, then history will repeat itself.

Orania is a meme town that nobody takes seriously it's just a joke that only fools fail to realize.

Post: #479

(08-23-2018 11:47 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  What's up (((media))), you sure love to show pictures of sad children to push a cause.

Why don't you show the pictures of disenfranchised white children in South Africa, put into literal concentration camps (again):

Concentration camps, you truly are delusional aren't you. Nobody forces them to be there unlike Gaza they are free to go back to Europe.

Post: #480

Don't take me wrong - trying to stay in the political climate is useless. Whites if they can afford it should just blow up all the buildings, mines and machines. Then leave while giving them the finger.

"Here you go spiffy - returning the land as it was - have fun building up a country.
Plus - we are sending you ALL THE AFRICANS that are coming over on rubber boats."

Post: #481

(08-23-2018 06:37 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:53 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  Good grief. A couple things folks need to realize:

1. No land has been targeted or taken yet. They are drafting a constitutional amendment to do so, primarily because the ANC fears losing votes to the EFF and others in elections next year.

Wrong - first farms already got their 10% offers and is in court - the others are already known.

2. The White farm murders, while horrible and should have been tackled better head on by the government, are often used by WS like Black on White murders are hyped in the USA. SA has one of the world's highest murder rates. Thousands of Blacks in townships and other areas are killed, often in the same brutal ways White farmers are.

Yes - but it's hardly White on black crime. Strange how under Apartheid the murder rate even among blacks was infinitely lower.

3. The White farmers own lobby (AgriSA) states 47 White farmers were killed last year. This is down 2/3 from the peak in the 90s right after Apartheid ended. Again, not good and I wish no one harm but being worried about that while thousands of Blacks die in the same homicide wave is pretty telling.

4. While I want more land back with the Black Africans all this emotional kick Whites/Indians out crap isn't right. No African nation is served by not addressing the inequities created by colonialism but it also isn't served by turning its back on the rights of citizens and giving them that work just because of race.

To address inequities, then going Zimbabwe is not going to cut it. The old South African tribes who were in South Africa when the Europeans settled are still partly there. Otherwise most moved there later because it was better to work for the White man than to live under the Bantus and other tribes.

5. Land reform in Africa has nowhere approached the crap other nations in Europe and Asia got away with against Germans and Japanese. I don't support the violence but acting like Africans are some unique savages in what they are trying to do is horseshyt.

What are you blabbering about? What has WWII to do with it? And take note - the "inequities" of land how they were addressed in Europe.


6. I need to see a plan about training and financing poor Blacks to do large scale agriculture before anyone gets any land. Not because I don't want land reform to happen---I do but it gets screwed up when untrained and underfunded people get thrown on the land like in Zim. We'd be better off having the Brazilians train a bunch of folks, getting them started on land in Zim and other countries like Ethiopia and Tanzania to help them get back up to speed and then they'd be ready to use land in SA to its full potential.

Taking land is the LAST step in a successful land reform program. We should have like a 10 year plan, not some rush and grab joint.

So take it later - Whites who lived on the land for longer than the blacks? Besides - who tells you that commercial farming will be done as well as by the Whites? Most farmers in SA are black, but they are overwhelmingly subsistence farmers - the same farmers that were left after the frequent violent forays of the Bantus which had almost depopulated the old South Africa. It's an entirely different thing to commercially successfully farm.

Also - what the fuck is the big deal with farming as if the entire wealth is in farms. It seems that they are obsessed with marxist talking points and "taking back our land" and some bullshit.

If they wanted to get more out of it, then they could attempt to tax bigger farmers more.


7. This whole thing started when a group from SA, the Institute for Race Relations visited the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in DC, and gave a talk predicted food security collapse and social chaos if land reform went through. Tucker Carlson interviewed someone from Cato and then tweeted and here we are.

Bullshit - this has been going on for decades. You only need to go down the thread - I posted multiple stats on how life for blacks in SA deteriorated since the end of Apartheid.

And don't take me wrong - Whites have not much option then to sell their shit and leave. You will then subsequently tank that country to the ground like you did with Zimbabwe. Enjoy.

Somehow you did not see Zimbabwe go back to a system where 90% of the population was engaged in fucking agriculture or hunter/gatherer survival.

I am sure that you will BE MUCH BETTER OFF WHEN WHITEY HAS LEFT. Finally true Wakanda can be manifested.

Nothing has deteriorated for black people we are in a stronger position to kick the colonialists out. Whites are not native to Africa and they stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

Post: #482

(08-26-2018 03:22 AM)Thabo Wrote:  Nothing has deteriorated for black people we are in a stronger position to kick the colonialists out. Whites are not native to Africa and they stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

So you want a country where skin color decides who gets to own land?

Post: #483

(08-26-2018 03:21 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Don't take me wrong - trying to stay in the political climate is useless. Whites if they can afford it should just blow up all the buildings, mines and machines. Then leave while giving them the finger.

"Here you go spiffy - returning the land as it was - have fun building up a country.
Plus - we are sending you ALL THE AFRICANS that are coming over on rubber boats."

They can try but they should know that they will be executed for treason and it will make our job easier.

Post: #484

(08-26-2018 04:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:22 AM)Thabo Wrote:  Nothing has deteriorated for black people we are in a stronger position to kick the colonialists out. Whites are not native to Africa and they stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

So you want a country where skin color decides who gets to own land?

Should have asked whites that when they signed the 1913 land act to force natives to work into mines as cheap labour. They started it and natives will finish it. http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/...-rebellion you are clearly clueless about South African history.

Post: #485

(08-19-2018 06:26 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 09:36 PM)uncledick Wrote:  South Africa is the canary in the white coal mine. If there is to be future white genocides, SA will be the first to kick off.

http://thecasualobserver.co.za/rhodesia-...-betrayal/

Quote:Rhodesia was probably the most successful and idyllic countries in Africa. It was settled in the 1890’s and thrived as a British colony since that time until 1965. It had everything. The country prospered greatly through its wealth in minerals and many significant mining companies were established. These included British interests and Canadian. It was richly blessed with asbestos, gold, diamonds and chrome. Agriculture thrived and Rhodesia was accorded the respect of being the bread basket of Africa, even ahead of South Africa.

https://www.thepatriot.co.zw/old_posts/f...-uprising/ that was barley
What rubbish is this? You clearly don't know African history

Post: #486

The irony, Thabo, is that your own traditional system which you patronise would result in an even more inequitable distribution of resources... Yes, bow down to Goodwill Zwelithini, your lord and saviour who owns more land (acquired through traditional military might) than any white or indian in South Africa. So much for black empowerment.

Forever a serf, Thabo

Post: #487

(08-26-2018 05:18 AM)MANic Wrote:  The irony, Thabo, is that your own traditional system which you patronise would result in an even more inequitable distribution of resources... Yes, bow down to Goodwill Zwelithini, your lord and saviour who owns more land (acquired through traditional military might) than any white or indian in South Africa. So much for black empowerment.

Forever a serf, Thabo

That's funny coming from you, you don't care about blacks and are only worried about white interests. All lands will be redistributed including that of collaborators like Zwelithini. Zwelithini is not my king and blacks are not a monolith even though its hard for you to understand that.

Post: #488

(08-26-2018 05:26 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:18 AM)MANic Wrote:  The irony, Thabo, is that your own traditional system which you patronise would result in an even more inequitable distribution of resources... Yes, bow down to Goodwill Zwelithini, your lord and saviour who owns more land (acquired through traditional military might) than any white or indian in South Africa. So much for black empowerment.

Forever a serf, Thabo

That's funny coming from you, you don't care about blacks and are only worried about white interests. All lands will be redistributed including that of collaborators like Zwelithini. Zwelithini is not my king and blacks are not a monolith even though its hard for you to understand that.

Thabo you're falling into the Laager mentality.

You and others know that its a bit more complicated than that.

Get rid of the whites, fine.. In 2018 that will tank your economy fast (whether you feel getting rid of them is justified or not.)

Not just that but look at the history of the ANC, the IFP, APLA - it wasn't skipping through the fields holding hands for those fellow protagonists.
Remember the Mandela Crisis Community allowing Winnie to kill young boys while they prioritised the PR fallout instead.

How do you think the cape coloureds feel, watching this? Or the Indians?
Soon it will be the Mozambicans, soon it will be the Sotho, eventually the likes of Ramaphosa / "sellouts"..

This approach doesn't just stop with one group - you will be looking at Robespierre and the guillotine if this gains momentum

Post: #489

(08-26-2018 06:10 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:26 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:18 AM)MANic Wrote:  The irony, Thabo, is that your own traditional system which you patronise would result in an even more inequitable distribution of resources... Yes, bow down to Goodwill Zwelithini, your lord and saviour who owns more land (acquired through traditional military might) than any white or indian in South Africa. So much for black empowerment.

Forever a serf, Thabo

That's funny coming from you, you don't care about blacks and are only worried about white interests. All lands will be redistributed including that of collaborators like Zwelithini. Zwelithini is not my king and blacks are not a monolith even though its hard for you to understand that.

Thabo you're falling into the Laager mentality.

You and others know that its a bit more complicated than that.

Get rid of the whites, fine.. In 2018 that will tank your economy fast (whether you feel getting rid of them is justified or not.)

Not just that but look at the history of the ANC, the IFP, APLA - it wasn't skipping through the fields holding hands for those fellow protagonists.
Remember the Mandela Crisis Community allowing Winnie to kill young boys while they prioritised the PR fallout instead.

How do you think the cape coloureds feel, watching this? Or the Indians?
Soon it will be the Mozambicans, soon it will be the Sotho, eventually the likes of Ramaphosa / "sellouts"..

This approach doesn't just stop with one group - you will be looking at Robespierre and the guillotine if this gains momentum

Blacks and coloureds descended from Khoisan will share the land. The rest are invaders and must go back whence they came especially Indians.

Post: #490

(08-26-2018 04:45 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 06:26 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 09:36 PM)uncledick Wrote:  South Africa is the canary in the white coal mine. If there is to be future white genocides, SA will be the first to kick off.

http://thecasualobserver.co.za/rhodesia-...-betrayal/

Quote:Rhodesia was probably the most successful and idyllic countries in Africa. It was settled in the 1890’s and thrived as a British colony since that time until 1965. It had everything. The country prospered greatly through its wealth in minerals and many significant mining companies were established. These included British interests and Canadian. It was richly blessed with asbestos, gold, diamonds and chrome. Agriculture thrived and Rhodesia was accorded the respect of being the bread basket of Africa, even ahead of South Africa.

https://www.thepatriot.co.zw/old_posts/f...-uprising/ that was barley
What rubbish is this? You clearly don't know African history

Quote:Societies were not primitive, but had a dynamic economic, social and political life that contributed when they decided to stand up against the enemy.

You are also spouting proudly mantras like the redistribution of land. That's seriously insane. What will simply happen is that black ruling families will control even more at the top.

You can for sure question the morality of conquest or how land has been acquired. Though I don't see much questioning of the Bantus whose conquest spanned huge African areas and their way of doing thing was to kill every man in sight, get the women and thus wipe out entire tribes. They sometimes slaughtered entire units of British. When they were however in turn defeated, they laid down their weapons and got themselves captured. When asked by an officer whether they were not afraid of being butchered, they responded that "slaughtering is our way, being generous to your enemies and capturing them is your way".

And frankly - it's not necessary for Whites to destroy the infrastructure of South Africa before leaving - that will happen over time the natural way. The ethno-state examples of Liberia or Haiti point the way forward.



And I really do get your resentment, but the basis for it is based on insane communist ideology and inability to understand tribal weaknesses. Frankly many people would not mind if you just want to crate your own ethnically monolithic country and developed on your own. If you care to check - most of us recommend for White South Africans to pack their bags and leave.

Post: #491

(08-26-2018 03:18 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 11:47 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  What's up (((media))), you sure love to show pictures of sad children to push a cause.

Why don't you show the pictures of disenfranchised white children in South Africa, put into literal concentration camps (again):

Concentration camps, you truly are delusional aren't you. Nobody forces them to be there unlike Gaza they are free to go back to Europe.

No, they're absolutely not free to go back to Europe, cause they won't be accepted here unless they get on boats and disembark like true refugees.

Post: #492

(08-26-2018 06:49 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:45 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 06:26 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 09:36 PM)uncledick Wrote:  South Africa is the canary in the white coal mine. If there is to be future white genocides, SA will be the first to kick off.

http://thecasualobserver.co.za/rhodesia-...-betrayal/

Quote:Rhodesia was probably the most successful and idyllic countries in Africa. It was settled in the 1890’s and thrived as a British colony since that time until 1965. It had everything. The country prospered greatly through its wealth in minerals and many significant mining companies were established. These included British interests and Canadian. It was richly blessed with asbestos, gold, diamonds and chrome. Agriculture thrived and Rhodesia was accorded the respect of being the bread basket of Africa, even ahead of South Africa.

https://www.thepatriot.co.zw/old_posts/f...-uprising/ that was barley
What rubbish is this? You clearly don't know African history

Quote:Societies were not primitive, but had a dynamic economic, social and political life that contributed when they decided to stand up against the enemy.

You are also spouting proudly mantras like the redistribution of land. That's seriously insane. What will simply happen is that black ruling families will control even more at the top.

You can for sure question the morality of conquest or how land has been acquired. Though I don't see much questioning of the Bantus whose conquest spanned huge African areas and their way of doing thing was to kill every man in sight, get the women and thus wipe out entire tribes. They sometimes slaughtered entire units of British. When they were however in turn defeated, they laid down their weapons and got themselves captured. When asked by an officer whether they were not afraid of being butchered, they responded that "slaughtering is our way, being generous to your enemies and capturing them is your way".

And frankly - it's not necessary for Whites to destroy the infrastructure of South Africa before leaving - that will happen over time the natural way. The ethno-state examples of Liberia or Haiti point the way forward.



And I really do get your resentment, but the basis for it is based on insane communist ideology and inability to understand tribal weaknesses. Frankly many people would not mind if you just want to crate your own ethnically monolithic country and developed on your own. If you care to check - most of us recommend for White South Africans to pack their bags and leave.

I'm not a communist and land reform is not theft plenty of countries have done it successfully of the top of my head Japan, Ireland, South Korea and in Hong Kong you can't even own land. I don't know if you realize it but Bantu is a meaningless term that nobody uses except whites. It would make more sense if you were talking about Nguni or Sotho peoples who are native to South Africa.
And before I forget can I get a source of your ridiculous quote about Africans saying capturing is your way? I can't find it anywhere so my BS-o-meter went up, unless you are just making it up of course from your deluded fantasies.
Many of you recommend treasonous acts like poison the land which will rightly get them executed for treason.

Post: #493

(08-26-2018 07:00 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:18 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 11:47 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  What's up (((media))), you sure love to show pictures of sad children to push a cause.

Why don't you show the pictures of disenfranchised white children in South Africa, put into literal concentration camps (again):

Concentration camps, you truly are delusional aren't you. Nobody forces them to be there unlike Gaza they are free to go back to Europe.

No, they're absolutely not free to go back to Europe, cause they won't be accepted here unless they get on boats and disembark like true refugees.

I fail to see how that is my problem if their own kith and kin doesn't want them.

Post: #494

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  Many of you recommend treasonous acts like poison the land which will rightly get them executed for treason.

No - that is not what I said. The land should remain as it is. But the country, the infrastructure and facilities built - that can be blown up and gone. It's a similar argument made by Mexicans or even American Indians. Without Whites there would be grasshuts up until the 20th century - in the US even less than that.

Besides - treason is a term dependent on being part of that country - since Whites are no longer welcome, then you might call it at best war, but not treason.

No one was stopping Haitians or Liberians to create a modern Wakanda in the last centuries. Ay - land reform can be done, but you are no Japanese.

Post: #495

(08-26-2018 07:23 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  Many of you recommend treasonous acts like poison the land which will rightly get them executed for treason.

No - that is not what I said. The land should remain as it is. But the country, the infrastructure and facilities built - that can be blown up and gone. It's a similar argument made by Mexicans or even American Indians. Without Whites there would be grasshuts up until the 20th century - in the US even less than that.

Besides - treason is a term dependent on being part of that country - since Whites are no longer welcome, then you might call it at best war, but not treason.

No one was stopping Haitians or Liberians to create a modern Wakanda in the last centuries. Ay - land reform can be done, but you are no Japanese.

I never said I was Japanese. Blacks built the facilities using our natural resources so why would we blow up our own infrastructure what you are saying is nonsensical and you know it. We can have a war then, whites are delusional about their capabilities in Africa. We'll make short work of them just as easily as Mugabe did. I don't know or care about Mexicans or American Indians so you can miss me with that.

Post: #496

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  I'm not a communist and land reform is not theft

It certainly is a form of the latter, and by asserting it isn't, you are quite clearly demonstrating your status as the former.

Regardless of the stupid arguments Australian Aboriginals put up about their bullshit connections with the land, pretty much all land on the earth is currently owned - either by the person with the backing of the state, or by the government with the backing of the people. Land is property. It is their right to quiet enjoyment of that land and the ability to exclude others from that land. Tribal wars over land go back to the stone age.

Theft is to take property from someone without their consent without due process and/or being fully and properly compensated for the value of the property taken from them. Land reform - which even Leftiepedia calls a "deeply political" process - typically involves removing a person's control of the land through legal, show-trial legal, or outright coercive means. It is, in short, theft. Not that given your seemingly black-klansman attitudes you seem to have much of a problem with that, you're just (amusingly) worried that the white nations of the Earth will descend upon South Africa to choke it into changing its approach as the white nations of the Earth descended upon South Africa about thirty years ago to choke it into changing its approach. Or did you think black people ended apartheid all by themselves?

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  plenty of countries have done it successfully of the top of my head Japan,

Bombed into doing so by the United States. Unless of course you're referring to the Meiji Restoration land restoration which in part eventually led to them being bombed into doing so by the US -- and even there the land reform involved caused mass riots and deep resentment among the poor old farmers who were apparently meant to be "helped" by this.

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  Ireland,

Where it was a negotiated settlement, not forced turnover of lands for 10% value or whatever "fair" number is imposed by J-Burg.

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  ISouth Korea

Which was reconstruction by the US after the war, and that mainly motivated by the fact the US needed more client states to function as buffers against Russia. Try again.

(08-26-2018 07:07 AM)Thabo Wrote:  and in Hong Kong you can't even own land.

Mainly because the People's Republic of China, a.k.a. a Communist regime, asserts it owns it for the benefit of all people. Which rather puts a big hole in your suggestion that land reform is not Communist.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #497

(08-26-2018 03:10 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 02:49 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Sent my mother the tucker video the other night along with a note that basically said these people in charge want people like you dead. They vacation in SA often.

She already knew and said that it's too late to change their plans for this year but she wrote that

'It has always been muted since the anc took over. The whites have been oppressed apartheid in reverse. It will ruin a beautiful country. Very sad.'

Enough said.

Whites are free to go back to Europe, we Africans ill just take back what rightfully belongs to us. Boers can go to Russia or Georgia they won't be missed. Whites stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

Oh look, a wild communist appears.

Post: #498

(08-26-2018 07:33 AM)Thabo Wrote:  We'll make short work of them just as easily as Mugabe did.

Pity Mugabe couldn't seem to do without them once he'd "chased" them all out.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #499

Thabo's lack of cogency is syptomatic of a broader bantu problem, that of impaired foresight. His rather accurate assertion, that the bantu population is not a monolith, is the very locus of prospective civil hostility's genesis.
"The land belongs to blacks" but will a Xhosa be allowed land in the Natal?
Will the rural bantu not be enranged by confiscation of his chief's land? Will tribalism not dominate once confiscation begins?

The basis of traditional black ownership of land is tenuous at best. Reclaim your land in the Congo, in that your claim for property up north may be stronger than that of lands in South Africa. If your claim to land arises from occupancy of vacant land then your claim to much of the country may be dismissed due to the existence of a prior supercedent right.

Further Thabo, I suggest you revise your rhetoric which at present amounts to little more than the puerile doctrine of the EFF: "muh black land, you white racist! we wuz kangs in Wakanda..."

p.s. I'm not white, please try again

Post: #500

(08-26-2018 07:10 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:00 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:18 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 11:47 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  What's up (((media))), you sure love to show pictures of sad children to push a cause.

Why don't you show the pictures of disenfranchised white children in South Africa, put into literal concentration camps (again):

Concentration camps, you truly are delusional aren't you. Nobody forces them to be there unlike Gaza they are free to go back to Europe.

No, they're absolutely not free to go back to Europe, cause they won't be accepted here unless they get on boats and disembark like true refugees.

I fail to see how that is my problem if their own kith and kin doesn't want them.

Thabo, would you be ok if Europe did the reverse?

Demanding every non-European leave Europe, including all the french africans?

Because I think most Europeans would definitely agree to that. We'll take a couple million Boer, if it means every african and arab goes home too.