Post: #1051

(06-29-2018 02:15 AM)the-dream Wrote:  Plus a girl from Russia or the Philippines who doesn't get stars in her eyes at the thought of going to the US is definitely a green flag in my book.

Agree completely. No white dudes or American friends is a prerequisite for elevation above harem level.
I have a lot more experience than the two cases I mentioned. The first girl.. I lived in her country and dated her for almost a year there. And the second, there was no expectation of marriage on a visit here, just spending more time together.

As far as moving to a girls country, yes absolutely. And if I wasn’t firmly placed on a good career track to take over a business in a very local industry, I absolutely would. Right now my focus is on really making hay the next 15 years and then retiring and finding a girl overseas. I also have a son in the USA I cant abandon. Being gone a year was damage enough.

Did I waste years? Yea probably. One of the downsides to getting older is armchair quarterbacking your previous crossroads in life, when at the time you were trying to win a small battle amidst a war. But hey, there is only so much you can learn from an Internet forum. You need to live.

Post: #1052

(06-29-2018 11:16 AM)buja Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 03:32 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Why not look for a wife abroad in Iowa or Minnesota?

Divorce rape, gaining 50 pounds after the wedding, entitled attitude, etc.

Yeah but you bring a girl from another country and she does the same thing eventually.

I don't' know...it's been a long time for me so I have no horse in the race, I m just asking.

Midwest girl, Mormon, or dedicated Catholic? Converting to Catholicism is a hell of a lot easier than importing a woman and her whole family.

Post: #1053

I'm still a young man, but as I've gotten older I've also begun to realize the importance of being close to family. If you decide to move to another country, you may tell yourself that you'll visit Mom and Dad, but in the end, you won't. And if you do, it won't happen frequently. At least not for most men. Hell, both of my parents came from different states and I rarely saw either of my grandparents growing up.
Curious about what you guys think about this...

Post: #1054

(06-30-2018 02:03 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Yeah but you bring a girl from another country and she does the same thing eventually.

I don't' know...it's been a long time for me so I have no horse in the race, I m just asking.

Midwest girl, Mormon, or dedicated Catholic? Converting to Catholicism is a hell of a lot easier than importing a woman and her whole family.

I know 4 Mormon men (including my own brother) who were divorce raped...

Perhaps the odds are somewhat lower but...
Women and water take the shape of the container they are in

Post: #1055

I've read some of this thread but not all of it. Can you guys help me catch up? Are there any conclusions about countries that are good options for both living and finding a girlfriend or wife? Several people have mentioned Vietnam. Are there other places?

Zoom said Peru is better than Dominican Republic. That isn't surprising and I know Zoom is legit. However, is Peru really the best option in Latin America?

Peruvians aren't as bad as some Latinas in terms of being promiscuous and high drama but they aren't great either. I suppose anywhere you go in Latin America, you need to get out of the big cities and find traditional girls.

Post: #1056

(06-30-2018 03:08 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've read some of this thread but not all of it. Can you guys help me catch up? Are there any conclusions about countries that are good options for both living and finding a girlfriend or wife? Several people have mentioned Vietnam. Are there other places?

Zoom said Peru is better than Dominican Republic. That isn't surprising and I know Zoom is legit. However, is Peru really the best option in Latin America?

Peruvians aren't as bad as some Latinas in terms of being promiscuous and high drama but they aren't great either. I suppose anywhere you go in Latin America, you need to get out of the big cities and find traditional girls.

No one really has an answer for that. You have to hit the ground a couple times and spend a couple months in that particular country to know if you want to live there. Then you have to see the woman options.

Different people are comfortable with different climates. The climate alone can make or break a country. If you are used to very cold climate you'll find it difficult in extremely hot one.

Also different people are comfortable with different levels of misery. Some people are cool with 3rd world messiness and some people require 1st world amenities (at least separated inside a 3rd world country)

Post: #1057

(06-29-2018 02:28 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  Does anyone have experience with Mormons in Salt Lake City? Would love to hear some thoughts as I've had good reception from Mormon women. Very mild mannered usually and chilled out.

Most of my time has been spent in Phils. Not good for wife hunting imo but good for fun.

Religious Mormons believe that marriage is eternal, so if a Mormon girl marries a non-mormon guy, she's going to undergo some cognitive dissonance and/or she's going to try very hard to convert him. I don't know if you're likely to find a hot mormon girl who retains the values and discards the theology. (I don't know, but I think I know).

Post: #1058

(06-30-2018 05:55 PM)Duke Main Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 02:28 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  Does anyone have experience with Mormons in Salt Lake City? Would love to hear some thoughts as I've had good reception from Mormon women. Very mild mannered usually and chilled out.

Most of my time has been spent in Phils. Not good for wife hunting imo but good for fun.

Religious Mormons believe that marriage is eternal, so if a Mormon girl marries a non-mormon guy, she's going to undergo some cognitive dissonance and/or she's going to try very hard to convert him. I don't know if you're likely to find a hot mormon girl who retains the values and discards the theology. (I don't know, but I think I know).

You'll have to convert. That's a given.

Post: #1059

(06-30-2018 03:08 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  However, is Peru really the best option in Latin America?

If not Peru my second option would be southern Chile for wife hunting. I spent a bit of time in southern Chile and if found it very conservative and even more relationship oriented than Peru. A great place to snag a farmer's daughter The further south you go it's very much a rural culture. City populations ain't that big. A bit more expensive then Peru and the women are a bit dull lacking in latina spirit, but still nice girls nonetheless. The capital Santiago is a shithole with 0 attractive women, and people wearing Pantera t shirts. If you go south it becomes distinctly different. Pretty gals in the south will still be hard to come by but not anything like in Santiago. Jesus. Also, I found Chilean girls to have a bit more going on between the ears than Peruvian birdbrain señoritas ( (I say that with affection hah) as their education system is more up to par.

If you're starting to look for a wife, wouldnt be a bad place to recon. Just be prepared for the worst food of your life and latina girls who can't dance.

Post: #1060

(06-30-2018 02:28 AM)Vasily Zaytsev Wrote:  I'm still a young man, but as I've gotten older I've also begun to realize the importance of being close to family. If you decide to move to another country, you may tell yourself that you'll visit Mom and Dad, but in the end, you won't. And if you do, it won't happen frequently. At least not for most men. Hell, both of my parents came from different states and I rarely saw either of my grandparents growing up.
Curious about what you guys think about this...

Most people underestimate how destructive emigrating is to their own wellbeing:

1. You trade high-quality, genuine relationships (family, childhood/teenage friends) for low-quality relationships that are based on money or status (e.g. co-workers). Quality of relationships is perhaps the biggest driver of human happiness and genuine/old relationships are very hard to acquire.

2. Grand-parents cannot be involved in child-rearing. Grand-parents provide the best childcare because they have a genetic similarity to the child. Strangers like nannies don't care about your child, and this leads the kid to develop all sorts of problems.

Emigration is a recent phenomenon - for most of human history men lived and died <20mi from where they were born so I'm led to believe this is the optimal configuration for human welfare. There are obvious exceptions e.g. you live in a warzone.

Post: #1061

I knew a guy who went "to the old country" (Poland) and imported a wife. Brought her parents over too, to provide instant grandparents. He was a shrimpy guy with a huge nose so could not get any action in American girls, but the polish girls were fine with him.

But it has been rough. The polish parents don't like it here and make his life hell.

Post: #1062

Haven't met any Polish girls that were interested in moving to North America. Met a lot who lived or traveled in the US and/or Canada but none were head over heels about it. The majority loves Spain, that's the only place I can think of where that will bring you extra points if you have a nice financial situation and if you're under 35.

Post: #1063

(06-30-2018 02:03 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 11:16 AM)buja Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 03:32 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Why not look for a wife abroad in Iowa or Minnesota?

Divorce rape, gaining 50 pounds after the wedding, entitled attitude, etc.

Yeah but you bring a girl from another country and she does the same thing eventually.
I don't' know...it's been a long time for me so I have no horse in the race, I m just asking.
Midwest girl, Mormon, or dedicated Catholic? Converting to Catholicism is a hell of a lot easier than importing a woman and her whole family.

I'm going to be blunt here. If you are a beta doormat women of every ethnicity and every nationality will shred you like a shark with a seal pup. If you have taken on some Alpha traits and done some decent self improvement... You have essentially a 40% chance of a successful marriage with a white american girl. If you pick a foreign bride those chances probably double no matter what country you live in.

The biggest issue with foreign brides is all the loser beta guys who run to places like the Philippines and snag a wife. The women really do intend to love the guy and be a good wife, but what woman can tolerate a beta?

In my opinion wife hunting should be done once you reach a certain level of development as a man. At that point it's more about finding a woman that has the same life goals and is a good personality match. Where you find that doesn't matter too much. You can find that almost anywhere, it just exists in higher quantities outside of western culture.

Post: #1064

(07-01-2018 01:54 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I knew a guy who went "to the old country" (Poland) and imported a wife. Brought her parents over too, to provide instant grandparents. He was a shrimpy guy with a huge nose so could not get any action in American girls, but the polish girls were fine with him.

But it has been rough. The polish parents don't like it here and make his life hell.

I'd love to hear the full story on this.

Post: #1065

Not an easy task.

I tried to entice a near perfect girl out of Mexico a decade ago. When we were in MX it was incredible, but when she came to Canada to visit the spark went out of her.

The west can be a cold, confined place for people used to the chaos of a place like Mexico. Not many would be willing to try and bring dirt poor girls out, so trying to bring a normal middle class girl out will be a big challenge.

For most solid girls, family and community are their world. That we love them for it, is so much why the situation is so hard.

Post: #1066

I scratch my head sometimes when I see this thread "BOB UP" every now and then
The Thread title is "wife hunting abroad" fairly simple you would think....nope because..

1) I can't leave my family and grand pappy
2) I can't take hot weather
3) I can't risk my job
4) can't risk bringing her here
etc...

Here is the risk you face in a nut shell marrying a girl in the West
100 percent likely to be unhappy and miserable (living alone while with a partner) at some point
50 percent likely to be divorced after a long term marriage of 5 years ...not 30 or 40 years
80 percent likely any kid you had you'll pay for and only be allowed visitation after the above divorce
95 percent of marriages entered into for the wrong reasons..lonely..it was time...I settled..did what was expected....the 5% that last true LOVE
..and those are only the quick facts...other sh1t like wife cheating...wife on drugs... wife's a bi sexual we will ignore.

So where can you spawn? Is it a Motel 6 with the local slut or the Mormon frigid skank? or go beta and have a mix kid which doesn't look or even think like you.

I'm a parent ...actually a 5 times grand parent and counting....I don't give a rats ass that NONE of my kids relationships worked or multiple fathers for various kids....I want my kids to be happy....none are.

Any member here that thinks "the logistics" or "cultural divide" is to much to deal with does not see the carnage within his own country

When a guy is fully prepared for LOVE and finds the ONE...nothing matters and a parent like me could die fucking happy knowing his kid was happy even if the ONE was from the planet MARS.

A kid let's not forget is the "extension" of two people in LOVE...your best friend ....the lifelong pair bond. your life partner no matter where she came from.

searching for your love/lover/friend abroad is a better thread title....and achievable .....whatever flows from the love ..be it a boat a house a kid it is from the love of the pair

Post: #1067

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but it is good to mention it again.

If you are hunting abroad, take note of the IQ level of the countries. Peru, Colombia, even Southeast Asia, all have relatively low IQ levels.

This reality will become more obvious the more time you spend there.

USA is around 100. A place like Colombia is like 85. That is a full standard deviation. If you are smart for the USA, it will be even a greater noticeable difference.

It is kind of a depressing topic because you will meet such sweet, sexy girls in these countries... girls that will treat you well.

But it never really leaves my mind that if I have offspring with these lower IQ girls, they will take a hit in the IQ department.

All other things being equal, why would you want your kids to be less smart than they could be?

I'm not sure what to do about it, just that it is there and it is part of the existential pain!

Post: #1068

So true.

One can find a pleasant and relatively pretty enough girl to love and perhaps marry in the third world, but the low IQ can be a major deterrent. Obviously, two high IQ parents are not guaranteed to produce high IQ offspring, but the chances are definitely greater than if you mate with a lower IQ individual.

My personal experience in South America reinforces this. Not saying there are no smart people there, but averaged out, it does not bode well if you want to provide the best genetic head start for your offspring. Not to mention that girls there are physically shorter and more prone to be overweight, which are also genetically related factors.

Then again, high IQ individuals are more common in the first world, and with that comes with an entitled attitude and the rest.

There really is no easy solution to this, and it's one of the principal factors I consider when I consider marriage and children. If anyone has any tips on this I'd love to hear about it.

Post: #1069

In South America, you could try Uruguay and Argentina. They're not too far behind most Western countries in terms of IQ.

There's also Russia and most EE states.

In Asia, China, Japan, Taiwan and Korea are top in the world. Smartest chicks, yet quite feminine compared to the West. I don't know about their attitudes, though.

In SEA, Vietnam is a cut above the rest, including even Malaysia, again not far behind the US. Being on the ground here, I can attest to that.

https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

Post: #1070

I don't have as much experience wife hunting as other people, but one argument I'd make for girls in countries with less IQ is that in my dating experience with them, they have really taught me how to stop and smell the roses, find optimism in life when I tend to be paranoid about worst case scenarios, along with recognizing the more important core functions/necessities in life. Admittedly I do need to sample some other countries, most mentioned above, but all I'm saying is maybe don't write the more statistically low IQ country girls off automatically. I do believe there's life IQ you can't measure by stats sometimes.

Post: #1071

How long can I pull off the long distance relationship before I have to move to her country permanently? If we meet for few days once in few months

Post: #1072

(07-10-2018 08:08 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  I don't have as much experience wife hunting as other people, but one argument I'd make for girls in countries with less IQ is that in my dating experience with them, they have really taught me how to stop and smell the roses, find optimism in life when I tend to be paranoid about worst case scenarios, along with recognizing the more important core functions/necessities in life. Admittedly I do need to sample some other countries, most mentioned above, but all I'm saying is maybe don't write the more statistically low IQ country girls off automatically. I do believe there's life IQ you can't measure by stats sometimes.

I don't get the emphasis on IQ. As long as a lizard isn't mentally retarded, who cares as long as she has a strong work ethic, can follow your lead, and can pop out kids.

No man has ever got an erection after learning a woman's IQ score or career.

Post: #1073

(07-10-2018 09:31 AM)edlefou Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:08 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  I don't have as much experience wife hunting as other people, but one argument I'd make for girls in countries with less IQ is that in my dating experience with them, they have really taught me how to stop and smell the roses, find optimism in life when I tend to be paranoid about worst case scenarios, along with recognizing the more important core functions/necessities in life. Admittedly I do need to sample some other countries, most mentioned above, but all I'm saying is maybe don't write the more statistically low IQ country girls off automatically. I do believe there's life IQ you can't measure by stats sometimes.

I don't get the emphasis on IQ. As long as a lizard isn't mentally retarded, who cares as long as she has a strong work ethic, can follow your lead, and can pop out kids.

No man has ever got an erection after learning a woman's IQ score or career.

I think IQ plays a larger role for people who want to have children. IQ strongly correlates with many positive life outcomes such as happiness, stability, health, educational success, and financial success. Here is one of many studies showing the connection between IQ and happiness - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22998852/ . Also, since IQ in adulthood is shomewhere around 70% genetically heritable, giving your kids a higher IQ will give them a significantly better life, all else equal. Not to mention, for the past 100+ years the world is giving more advantage to higher IQs - which may be causing cognitive groupings ala Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart.

I’d also like to point out that other notions of intelligence, like the theory of multiple intelligences (emotional, tactile, artistic, etc) is fairly weak empirically and isn’t generally accepted to be valid.

It’s definitely something to think about.

Post: #1074

(07-09-2018 09:34 PM)Slam Wrote:  I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but it is good to mention it again.

If you are hunting abroad, take note of the IQ level of the countries. Peru, Colombia, even Southeast Asia, all have relatively low IQ levels.

This reality will become more obvious the more time you spend there.

USA is around 100. A place like Colombia is like 85. That is a full standard deviation. If you are smart for the USA, it will be even a greater noticeable difference.

It is kind of a depressing topic because you will meet such sweet, sexy girls in these countries... girls that will treat you well.

But it never really leaves my mind that if I have offspring with these lower IQ girls, they will take a hit in the IQ department.

All other things being equal, why would you want your kids to be less smart than they could be?

I'm not sure what to do about it, just that it is there and it is part of the existential pain!

Just go for rich girls who attended expensive private schools. Even in sub-Saharan Africa you can find women with over 100 IQ if you skip on the lower and middle class women.

Post: #1075

IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.