Post: #51

Hey OP, next time you lose your mind and decide to buy a chick an expensive engagement ring, don't. Instead buy a nice looking Cubic Zirconium and give it to her. At least when shit goes south and she tries to get it appraised to sell it or find out how much it's really worth you'll have a good laugh about it. If the marriage last, say 7-10 years and if you're in the mood tell her that you want to "upgrade" her ring and get her a real diamond if you must.

Post: #52

(07-06-2018 02:31 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  You mentioned her family having gone cold but since you were engaged with this girl you probably interacted with her social circle as well. Is there no way you can talk to her aquaintances and shame her into returning the ring?

Seems like a beta move to use shaming. I'd rather go thermonuclear and get her ass out in the public record for everyone to see. Even if she doesn't show up the court transcripts and all my evidence will be public record.

Post: #53

(07-06-2018 02:32 PM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  Hey OP, next time you lose your mind and decide to buy a chick an expensive engagement ring, don't. Instead buy a nice looking Cubic Zirconium and give it to her. At least when shit goes south and she tries to get it appraised to sell it or find out how much it's really worth you'll have a good laugh about it. If the marriage last, say 7-10 years and if you're in the mood tell her that you want to "upgrade" her ring and get her a real diamond if you must.

haha yeah I actually did Moissanite not diamond. It's a 2.5K ring and looks exactly like a diamond and it's custom made so it looks like a 50K ring. Not surprised she kept it. She's in for a shock when she tries to sell tho.

Post: #54

(07-06-2018 09:13 AM)Enoch Wrote:  ^ Dude just forget about it. This court shit will drain your mental and emotional energy to recoup 2-3k?. Focus on your new $ and new girls.

I know we're all wealthy here, but to OP perhaps that amount is significant.

Post: #55

(07-06-2018 11:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  I think OP is pursuing this based on the principle of that matter. If he has resources to spare, this sounds like good entertainment.

@Suits gets it. It's not about time spent or anything (it's really minimal for small claims). I'm just the type of guy to not let people fuck with me without consequences. I thought that was the whole point of the alpha mentality, to not let chicks walk all over you?

Post: #56

(07-06-2018 02:32 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 02:29 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  If you’ve got any sense you won’t bother and spend the time you would spend fucking about with small claims court doing something more productive.

What you don't understand is this is a financial shit test. Who the fuck keeps an engagement ring? It makes no sense. If I back down and don't do anything she will probably try to take me to civil court on something made up just because she thinks I'll settle.

I do understand it’s a shit test, I’ve been there before and let a 5k engagement ring go. I considered it a pay off and secondly a tax on my own lack of game.

If you’re the business man you claim, surely your time is worth more than dicking about with all this. Your actions scream butthurt and not congruent with who you claim to be.

Of course I don’t know you and if you think this is a line in the sand you need to draw then carry on. For me it wouldn’t be worth my time. In relation to an alpha mentality, have you considered that playing this game with her draws you into her frame? You’re chasing her mate.

Post: #57

(07-06-2018 02:32 PM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  Hey OP, next time you lose your mind and decide to buy a chick an expensive engagement ring, don't. Instead buy a nice looking Cubic Zirconium and give it to her. At least when shit goes south and she tries to get it appraised to sell it or find out how much it's really worth you'll have a good laugh about it. If the marriage last, say 7-10 years and if you're in the mood tell her that you want to "upgrade" her ring and get her a real diamond if you must.

The way I look at it: If she INSISTS on a diamond ring, indicate to her that money is going toward a down payment on a house. If she still insists, NEXT HER.

Post: #58

I have a hard time reconciling that an allegedly high net worth individual would opt to buy his fiance' a small claims court valued ring in the first place. Then to waste his time pursuing it's return based on some rationalization of principle that to NOT pursue it would indicate weakness to others thereby inciting some type of financial persecution?...Something doesn't add up

Post: #59

Check my post history Azn if you have a sec. If you're looking for entertainment or revenge there are better ways of getting it than trying to get the ring back. Your time is worth more than this. The best revenge is living a good life.

Post: #60

(07-06-2018 02:36 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  haha yeah I actually did Moissanite not diamond. It's a 2.5K ring and looks exactly like a diamond and it's custom made so it looks like a 50K ring. Not surprised she kept it. She's in for a shock when she tries to sell tho.

In post #15 you said it was a $6k ring.

Am I missing something here?

Post: #61

(07-06-2018 02:41 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  I do understand it’s a shit test, I’ve been there before and let a 5k engagement ring go. I considered it a pay off and secondly a tax on my own lack of game.

If you’re the business man you claim, surely your time is worth more than dicking about with all this. Your actions scream butthurt and not congruent with who you claim to be.

Of course I don’t know you and if you think this is a line in the sand you need to draw then carry on. For me it wouldn’t be worth my time. In relation to an alpha mentality, have you considered that playing this game with her draws you into her frame? You’re chasing her mate.

to each his own. i've already explained why it is worth my time. how much time do you think it's actively costing me? I just need to get some receipts and show up to court for an hour. Plus it provides entertainment value, may sound weird to you, but I like the fact I can try to run "game" on a judge to get a certain outcome. It's fun.

Post: #62

(07-06-2018 02:56 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 02:36 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  haha yeah I actually did Moissanite not diamond. It's a 2.5K ring and looks exactly like a diamond and it's custom made so it looks like a 50K ring. Not surprised she kept it. She's in for a shock when she tries to sell tho.

In post #15 you said it was a $6k ring.

Am I missing something here?

Sorry 2.5 Karat. Usually abbreviated K, can see how it could cause confusion. But if it was a diamond it would be worth 50K easy.

Post: #63

(07-06-2018 02:42 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I have a hard time reconciling that an allegedly high net worth individual would opt to buy his fiance' a small claims court valued ring in the first place. Then to waste his time pursuing it's return based on some rationalization of principle that to NOT pursue it would indicate weakness to others thereby inciting some type of financial persecution?...Something doesn't add up

to answer your questions:

1) Look up moissanite it's almost indistiguishable from a diamond unless you get it chemically tested. my rationalization was it looks the exact same why would i pay more for the real thing? if you think rich people go around paying full price for shit when you can't even tell i dont think you know a lot of rich people.

2) why does trump go around suing people for miniscule amounts when he has billions of dollars? you have to protect yourself legally when you have money. The majority of legal action is PRE-EMPTIVE.

3) she broke off the engagement in a pretty shady way and she could claim damages for something i didn't do, or at least waste my time tied up in some civil (or worse: criminal) action. the whole point of getting this to small claims court is I can basically dump all of my evidence about our relationship into the public record, whether or not it helps my specific case or not. It's insurance for anything stupid she might try to pull.

if that doesn't add up i don't know what to tell you but i think i've explained myself pretty clearly in this thread as to my motivations. you can try and poke holes in the motivations themselves and i'm certain open to listening but if ur calling bullshit why dont u just PM me and i'll prove everything is true and i am who i say i am.

Post: #64

(07-06-2018 03:26 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  1) Look up moissanite it's almost indistiguishable from a diamond unless you get it chemically tested. my rationalization was it looks the exact same why would i pay more for the real thing? if you think rich people go around paying full price for shit when you can't even tell i dont think you know a lot of rich people.

"Rich" people are a very diverse group. While they often have traits in common it's best not to generalize too much. For example, you and I may have quite a bit in common (tech background, first generation wealth) but we seem to look at things very differently.

You're going to do what you think is best but I'd still recommend that you focus more on what you're doing and less on your ex.

Look at it this way, you're in the top fraction of percent of people on the planet. You don't have to worry about bills or debt ever again. You can do pretty much whatever you'd like whenever you want. One thing I can tell you from experience is that your ex will have a much harder time finding a multi-millionaire willing to marry her than you'll have hooking up with a runway model if that floats your boat.

Post: #65

(07-06-2018 02:42 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I have a hard time reconciling that an allegedly high net worth individual would opt to buy his fiance' a small claims court valued ring in the first place. Then to waste his time pursuing it's return based on some rationalization of principle that to NOT pursue it would indicate weakness to others thereby inciting some type of financial persecution?...Something doesn't add up

I'm on Papaya Trappers slide here.

Some guy I know who ain't that rich but does Ok just spent like 12k on one, and that was low.

You gotta find one of (((them))) named Smoolie Epstein and he pulls out a big envelope full of diamonds then you go to thd jewellery place and buy the ring part. Thats how rich people do it.

My idea is this: you get a plane ticket to Liberia. You drive out to the woods and find the rebels. Then you buy one of those blood diamonds from a guy with no hands. Save big bucks and have a cool adventure story to go along.

Aloha!

Post: #66

Are you here asking for advice, or just trying to get some validation on your chosen course of action?

Post: #67

(07-06-2018 03:26 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 02:42 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I have a hard time reconciling that an allegedly high net worth individual would opt to buy his fiance' a small claims court valued ring in the first place. Then to waste his time pursuing it's return based on some rationalization of principle that to NOT pursue it would indicate weakness to others thereby inciting some type of financial persecution?...Something doesn't add up

to answer your questions:

1) Look up moissanite it's almost indistiguishable from a diamond unless you get it chemically tested. my rationalization was it looks the exact same why would i pay more for the real thing? if you think rich people go around paying full price for shit when you can't even tell i dont think you know a lot of rich people.

2) why does trump go around suing people for miniscule amounts when he has billions of dollars? you have to protect yourself legally when you have money. The majority of legal action is PRE-EMPTIVE.

3) she broke off the engagement in a pretty shady way and she could claim damages for something i didn't do, or at least waste my time tied up in some civil (or worse: criminal) action. the whole point of getting this to small claims court is I can basically dump all of my evidence about our relationship into the public record, whether or not it helps my specific case or not. It's insurance for anything stupid she might try to pull.

if that doesn't add up i don't know what to tell you but i think i've explained myself pretty clearly in this thread as to my motivations. you can try and poke holes in the motivations themselves and i'm certain open to listening but if ur calling bullshit why dont u just PM me and i'll prove everything is true and i am who i say i am.

Fair enough. Your explanations seem plausible. Not how I'd go about protecting myself*... but ok. The bolded above as prophylactic does make sense to me

I have several high net worth friends (including one that sits on the BOD of a Fortune 50 co) and numerous affluent acquaintances. We all employ similar asset protection measures (but I cant visualize any of them initiating the drama above).

* Becoming virtually "judgement proof" via a series of asset divestment vehicles (trusts and LP or FP combo / series) is an effective strategy.

Post: #68

Quote:Or following my car and trying to get me to hit them

So wait...people follow you around trying to get you to hit them with your car? Are these people also relatives of your fiancee?

I am intrigued by your theories and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Post: #69

(07-06-2018 02:42 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I have a hard time reconciling that an allegedly high net worth individual would opt to buy his fiance' a small claims court valued ring in the first place. Then to waste his time pursuing it's return based on some rationalization of principle that to NOT pursue it would indicate weakness to others thereby inciting some type of financial persecution?...Something doesn't add up

I also question the OP's authenticity, likely a troll.

However, I have personal experience with small claims court and winning judgements.

It's a pretty simple process, if you read all the info available you can easily be well prepared (although she'll likely just not show up). Dress up to respect the courtroom/judge but don't be flashy. Speak well and REMOVE ALL EMOTION. Be the cool, calm, respectful person no matter what she says or does. You will most likely win but you may get a judgement that is far less than the ring is worth.

Garnish her wages (it looks terrible to an employer to have the sheriff come in and garnish her wages). Move on and make better decisions on women in the future.

Post: #70

I seriously don't understand the attitude of letting the woman have whatever she wants. It really feels like white knight bullshit to me. Get your money back. Women should not get a free ride in this.

Post: #71

(07-06-2018 04:21 PM)germanico Wrote:  Are you here asking for advice, or just trying to get some validation on your chosen course of action?

legal advice, see first post.

Post: #72

Hire your own lawyer since you are serious about not letting people take advantage of you. He can file a voluntary dismissal of the case in small claims court and refile in state court. Regular court has unlimited jurisdiction so he can sue for the whole $6000. He can effect service of process, there are more than one way to do this.

The reason to go to small claims court is to represent yourself. Since you can afford to, just hire a regular lawyer. One of your lawyers from all of the cases you already won should be able to handle it, or recommend someone who can. Another advantage of avoiding small claims court is that in a lot of states small claims judgments are appealable to regular court even without proving error.

Once you win a judgment, your lawyer can get the sheriff or Marshall to levy on her personal property. She had the ring and that should fully satisfy the judgement. If she doesn’t have it, you can probably have the judge sanction her for contempt or for a fraudulent conveyance. At a minimum take post judgment discovery and find other assets to levy upon or garnish.

I think with your resources you will have more fun with a lawyer at your side in regular court!

Post: #73

(07-06-2018 06:11 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I seriously don't understand the attitude of letting the woman have whatever she wants. It really feels like white knight bullshit to me. Get your money back. Women should not get a free ride in this.

I agree with you, he should totally go to small claims court to get his fake ring back. Or else what is this world coming to?

Post: #74

(07-06-2018 08:52 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  Not sad about her leaving cuz I realized I turned beta cuck while with her and I’m happy to be back in the game.

But she won’t return the ring and I’m filing a small claims suit to get it back.

1. It’s completely classless to not return an engagement ring if you break it off right?

2. How do I win this thing? Never been to court before. RVF legal minds where you at?

Following this thread. Let us know how you go with the small claim court.

Post: #75

You're rich. She left before the wedding, saving you millions.

You want to be Superjew and spend all day in court.

She says you beat her, the proposal was under duress, and she wanted to sell the ring to escape the emotional abuse that was making her life a living hell.

Write it off Uncle Pennybags.