Post: #1

I broke up with my LTR (HB9) that I have lived with her for almost 9 years(cause of the red pill). My last bang was almost six months ago with a mediocre chubby(HB5) that is 29 years old. I'm on NoFap for one month so this is madness.

I approach daily 2-3 women, sometimes even more. Half of them tell me they date someone, the other half give me their number, but when I text the first or the second message they disappear. I even approached some fat women and their response was even worse. They all like the attention and I get complimented a lot, but it leads to nowhere.

I tried Tinder many times, I get 2-3 matches a day, but they almost never reply. I have changed my location to Europe and sometimes I even get 10 matches a day and they rarely reply. I even had 10 matches a day in SF and LA.
The only places that reply to my texts at the same day are SEA and Latin America.

In OKC I get several numbers a day, but when I text to their number they rarely reply. Those that I met looked so much different than the photo that I wish I hadn't met them at all(some of them were older than me, fat, crazy).

I'm in my late twenties, very fit and get many compliments. By the way I've been to SEA, but honestly I wasn't even attracted to the local women so I rarely approached. I can't think about money and my business plans if I don't get laid, so I'm stuck.

Post: #2

You need to learn better game and/or become more attractive.

Post: #3

(09-07-2017 12:15 PM)Suits Wrote:  You need to learn better game and/or become more attractive.

You miss the point, what game if they don't reply to the first text?
If it was about attractiveness, why do i get 10 numbers a day on OKC? they could just ignore me from the beginning. Why do I get matches on Tinder?

Post: #4

(09-07-2017 12:20 PM)trumpsta Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:15 PM)Suits Wrote:  You need to learn better game and/or become more attractive.

You miss the point, what game if they don't reply to the first text?
If it was about attractiveness, why do i get 10 numbers a day on OKC? they could just ignore me from the beginning. Why do I get matches on Tinder?

You need to learn better text game.

Post: #5

Keep working on continuous improvement of your style, appearance, charisma, confidence, conversational skills, etc. Also, try some alternative niche game, such as checking out the CouchSurfing thread or photographer game and see if you can make that work for you. I think every type of niche game or potential shortcuts have been discussed somewhere in this forum. Last but not least, get involved in a couple of social activities that will increase your value and get you more friends to increase your social circle.

Post: #6

Suits and C-Note nailed it. Continue to improve yourself. It's a never ending process. Do this daily.

It's not easy, and it takes WORK. You're going to have to put the work in. Don't just throw your hands in the air and say "I quit, I'm celibate!" That's a woman's mentality.

If life knocks you down 50 times, then you get up 51 times.

Post: #7

You need to have an honest and brutal evaluation of your game because it's not good enough. With OKC, cold approaching and Tinder that's averaging 10 interactions with chicks a day. Thats 1800+ dealings with chicks in a sexual way in those 6 months you didn't get laid.

That's bad game. Be honest, fix what the issue and bust a nut.

Post: #8

(09-07-2017 12:22 PM)Suits Wrote:  You need to learn better text game.

I will defer to the wisdom of more seasoned players among us, but I have come to believe that text game is not really where it's at. Sure, some find their niche there, but really, whether she responds to you at all - text, call, date, whatever - depends mostly on how strong the connection was during the first interaction.

To OP, this means learning game. They aren't responding to you because your game is weak. You give them no tingles, but your looks probably save you to a degree. I know this because that is who I am, but improving.

Edit: Fuck yes! Officially a Beta Orbiter! This is such a special day!

Post: #9

The bar for sparking and maintaining attraction through the mating phase is inching ever higher and higher. With social media, that bar is approaching stratospheric levels if it isn't already there.
The obvious response is "try harder, improve your game etc." All the while the ROI just isn't there.

OP you need to do a cost benefit analysis because even when you do break through the barrier, you realize that what you thought was the top of the mountain was just another peak. Is it all worth it? I am all for self-improvement -but not for the purpose of chasing more loose, lame, narcissistic women.

That's a vicious cycle that has no end.

Post: #10

It is very difficult to have dated or to have had a relationship with a HB7+ only to be plunged into the world of online dating during the smartphone era. Frankly, you won't meet your ex-girlfriend's equal online. Even if you did, a 9's online options are so vast, you risk being cuckolded.

I think we are nearing the stage where men whose market values are average (i.e. 5 or 6) need to consider coming off dating sites and apps completely. The cost - risk - benefit analysis of online dating is not promising for men who are 7s and below.

Find a hobby that you'd do if women didn't exist and a secondary hobby that would expose you to more women. Marketing is about intelligent product placement, not just continual improvement of the product.

Post: #11

I'm going to go off the beaten path here and say that if you're consistently getting numbers and net positive approaches but these girls are are blowing you off (not in a good way) en masse your text game or initial approach to the interaction is garbage. Looks are probably fine.

Like if you've ever seen those YouTube pranks where it's like "get any girls number" but it's just asking to borrow a phone and then calling yours (which actually with some game and the right sense of humur could maybe work out but O digress) that number is worthless when gotten improperly.

Numbers are a crap shoot anyway, even if you do everything right and you pass some shit tests, show enough intent, make her laugh, show status and look at or above her level. Sometimes shit just doesn't work out and the odds are against you. But for the rest of those times, I'd say you'd get a date or a bang maybe 70% and 40% of the time respectively if you played it perfectly after a number close. So work on your text game, work on your vibe and your initial interactions. Be the guy girls want to get dick from not the guy they think they can fuck around, or just be friends with.

Post: #12

I need to approach more, eventually it's a numbers game. I feel like the mediocre women are intimidated if you look better than them.