Post: #1

SPOILER ALERT: This post may contain whining

I'm 26 and qualified from medical school two years ago. I then spent two years doing my compulsory junior doctor training in the NHS. I decided not to apply for speciality training this year, so I have one year " off the treadmill." I planned on doing a locum job in cardiology but that fell through two days ago. Now I am doing as and when 13 hr acute medicine shifts for two days/ nights a week.

By the end of the second year, I had become visibly miserable at work. I wasn't lazy and made no major mistakes but nurses would ask me why don't I smile. I did extra shifts because I adopted the mentality of earn money and don't fuck up, which at 26 and two years into a lifelong career is worrying. On the last day of the rotation, a senior spoke to me one on one asking me that many seniors thought I was depressed and that it was obvious I hated me job. I was very quiet but my body language screamed that I would rather do anything than my job. He advised me not to rush in deciding what I want to do. I want to do internal medicine but have had four months of psychiatry followed by four months of general surgery, I haven't dont any internal med since the start of December.

My plan as of right now is,

1)Do occasional acute medicine shifts to brush up skills and earn money
2) Sign up to language courses at my old university
3)Try to get more teaching / papers published from the hospital I worked at over the last two years
4) Taking the first stage of the medicine post grad exam in September
5) have fun and learn game

Have I fucked up and am I in a right mess?

It's just strange that two years ago I was such a go getter . I got four papers published in journals and was hitting it hard. Now....I would count down the hours left at work... daily.

I was thinking where I'd want to go win this medicine business. I don't need tons money and am a low key guy with no desire to climb up the ladder. I was raised from a very humble background and I kinda kept the same kind of mentality despite getting these qualifications. I just want to enjoy and be good at my job. That's it.

TDK

Post: #2

When was the last time you got laid? Who are your best friends? What do you enjoy doing when you're not at work? When do you expect your work situation to be better?

It sounds like you hate your life, not just your work.

Post: #3

^Got a laugh. I was just about to ask if he was fucking.

Post: #4

(08-04-2017 07:29 AM)Sonoma Wrote:  When was the last time you got laid? Who are your best friends? What do you enjoy doing when you're not at work? When do you expect your work situation to be better?

It sounds like you hate your life, not just your work.

I got laid four weeks ago with an ex gf. I will never see her again as I've moved city. I lost my best friends after I left medical school as they became jealous following my graduation. These guys were from the "hood" and I grew up along them but became bitter. I don't see the situation changing at work TBH. You rise up the ranks but you have different types of stress. My new friends are medics but they don't get laid and are fanatics about medicine and status seeking. They are either asexual or betas with extremely entitled and bossy medic girlfriends.

Post: #5

(08-04-2017 07:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^Got a laugh. I was just about to ask if he was fucking.

I laughed too. It's that obvious I'm not getting possy?

Post: #6

You havent been providing the right service to the NHS birds...

Maybe you should put in a little overtime and extra care, especially if youre in the larger hospitals.

Post: #7

Pussy isn't everything, but it sure ain't nothing.

The RVF is a good surrogate brotherhood if you're feeling alone. There are some top notch players here that will have you banging sloots in no time. I assume you're earning decent money so you're already ahead of the beta pack.

In the meanwhile you might want to look sideways for some sort of brotherhood you can start beyond the digital realm. Sometimes it's better to look beyond your own profession for guys to hang out with, but aim for dudes within your own earning bracket. Just go to the sorts of places guys with your income go to. Not that I can give you much advice on that in specific terms (golfing? yacht club?). I find the best brotherhoods are ones where you have a range of different fields represented because your time away from work doesn't inevitably end up being a talkfest about work. Besides, your whacky stories about idiot patients will be far more interesting to guys outside of the medical field. If you can make friends with some of the women (same age as you) that are roughly in your line of work then they probably have brothers educated to a similar level. That could be an 'in'.

In time you can either make investments and retire early or tailor your work to something you take more enjoyment from but honestly, a job is a job and sometimes it's simpler just to find gratitude that you've got $ rolling in.

Post: #8

Are any of the nurses bangable? I thought banging nurses was one of the many job perks

Post: #9

Yeah, these days I'd avoid that.

You can fuck your way through med school but fucking nurses is now an invitation to disaster.

Post: #10

It's because you work in a socialist medical system and you never thought about this. You aren't a doctor, you are a slave of the state who has decided that all customers are equal and will extract money by force and force you to serve the customers of its choosing. You aren't free to innovate, or to think. You are not free period. Maybe you even see some of the atrocities caused by the medical establishment but don't want to look at things this way yet.

You spent a lot of time and effort and intellect to get through the qualifications and the reality has set in in your heart but you don't want your mind to realize it.

Whatever brought you to medicine in the first place, which I assume is good intentions like 97% of other doctors, you may now wish to refocus on. It's a big world and somewhere out there you can be the innovative or healing doctor you dreamed of. It will take you twice as long or more to unbrainwash as the time you spent being brainwashed (educated).

You have chosen a very path dependent career being a doctor in the UK. It will take big bold moves to break that path - and there will be risk. You are being worked a schedule that you literally are not spared the time or energy to "think."

"Think" about that.

Post: #11

Find meet-ups in your city or nearby and reach out to guys there. It's a good start to find camaraderie.

Post: #12

41 year old MD here, giving you some free advice:
Everyone experiences a bleak stretch every now and then, don't sweat it, it will pass, but you have to put some work before it will:
- first and foremost damage-control: you need to start/ramp-up your exercising: lifting, cardio, all of it. Endorphins that are released act as a natural antidepressant. And it builds stamina to deal with long work hours.
- make a long term plan that you can think you can live with and follow it up: if internal medicine is your thing, make a plan to go that route and then go all out and do everything you can to advance in that field.
- Don't worry about getting laid: you're a doctor, the most wonderful profession in the world. Even docs with bad game get laid. Don't go chasing the nurses in the place where you work, but if any show interest in you, you need to recognise it and accommodate them accordingly.

Post: #13

First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

Post: #14

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

....like space lol

Post: #15

^ Where in the UK are you?

Post: #16

(08-04-2017 08:39 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  ^ Where in the UK are you?

London

Post: #17

(08-04-2017 08:31 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

....like space lol

If I had these credentials and in the position you were in I would fucking sprint and not walk to find out how to immigrate to the U.S.

I'm not being sarcastic at all but it's just true. A black U.K. doctor you should theoretically recieve an incredible status bump compared to where you are now.

Post: #18

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

Provide some evidence or GTFO.

Post: #19

(08-04-2017 09:00 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

Provide some evidence or GTFO.

Did this trigger you? oh my apologies. I retract everything, m'lord.

Post: #20

(08-04-2017 09:03 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:00 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

Provide some evidence or GTFO.

Did this trigger you? oh my apologies. I retract everything, m'lord.

No - you are just full of shit - there are people from all backgrounds who game Medicare, and there is nothing to suggest that subcontinental/Jewish doctors do it more or less than anyone else.

Post: #21

(08-04-2017 09:07 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:03 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:00 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

Provide some evidence or GTFO.

Did this trigger you? oh my apologies. I retract everything, m'lord.

No - you are just full of shit - there are people from all backgrounds who game Medicare, and there is nothing to suggest that subcontinental/Jewish doctors do it more or less than anyone else.

From my experiences which includes a dead grandmother with alzheimers it's absolutely true.

Post: #22

(08-04-2017 08:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:31 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

....like space lol

If I had these credentials and in the position you were in I would fucking sprint and not walk to find out how to immigrate to the U.S.

I'm not being sarcastic at all but it's just true. A black U.K. doctor you should theoretically recieve an incredible status bump compared to where you are now.

Immigrating to the US will be a 1-2 year process - you will have to take 3 exams (should cost around 2-3k in exam fees alone), score decently well on them and then apply to residency programs. If you get into a residency program, you are technically in training to become a doctor and you will make around 50k per year while you are in the residency program.

Medicine is better for doctors in the US compared to the UK, but a lot of US doctors still dislike the field for a variety of reasons.

Post: #23

(08-04-2017 09:15 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:31 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

....like space lol

If I had these credentials and in the position you were in I would fucking sprint and not walk to find out how to immigrate to the U.S.

I'm not being sarcastic at all but it's just true. A black U.K. doctor you should theoretically recieve an incredible status bump compared to where you are now.

Immigrating to the US will be a 1-2 year process - you will have to take 3 exams (should cost around 2-3k in exam fees alone), score decently well on them and then apply to residency programs. If you get a residency spot, you are technically in training to become a doctor and you will make around 50k per year while you are in the residency program.

Medicine is better for doctors in the US, but a lot of US doctors dislike the field for a variety of reasons.

2-3k is also not much when considering the overall career advancement. You're throwing up a lot of mental roadblocks.

Why are you so protective of this?

Post: #24

(08-04-2017 09:18 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:15 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:31 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  First of all are you really from the U.K. and are you really black?

Have you considered trying to come to the U.S.

The U.S. medical field is inundated with people from the subcontinent and Jews. Which means healthcare is really for the rich and everyone else gets shit care from these "doctors" who are just there to game medicare.

You're a young doctor who can make bank off America's broken healthcare system as well as score some pretty nice pussy with your accent. Plus you will get incredible bonus points for being from an ultra protected minority class on top of that.

You're in the upper tier social status and as long as you're not too neurotic (like many medical professionals) you can make it work.

....like space lol

If I had these credentials and in the position you were in I would fucking sprint and not walk to find out how to immigrate to the U.S.

I'm not being sarcastic at all but it's just true. A black U.K. doctor you should theoretically recieve an incredible status bump compared to where you are now.

Immigrating to the US will be a 1-2 year process - you will have to take 3 exams (should cost around 2-3k in exam fees alone), score decently well on them and then apply to residency programs. If you get a residency spot, you are technically in training to become a doctor and you will make around 50k per year while you are in the residency program.

Medicine is better for doctors in the US, but a lot of US doctors dislike the field for a variety of reasons.

2-3k is also not much when considering the overall career advancement. You're throwing up a lot of mental roadblocks.

Why are you so protective of this?

Look at the match rate - the residency program foundation advertises a ~50% match rate for international medical (IMG) graduates who apply to US residency programs. The foundation is saying that 1 in every 2 IMGs who apply will get a residency spot and eventually become a doctor in the US.

But this stat is super misleading to IMGs. Why? Because the foundation excludes all the IMGs who applied to US residency programs but did not get any interviews from the statistic. If you include all the IMGs who apply (including those who got interviews and who didn't get any interviews), the match rate drops to 35%.

If you are in the UK, you can make money as a doctor right now. In the US, you will be spending money on tests and any exam that you don't do well on will make it more likely that you will not be in 65% that will not get a residency spot.

Is it possible to immigrate? Yes.

But it is much harder than you think.

Post: #25

(08-04-2017 09:32 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:18 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:15 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:31 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  ....like space lol

If I had these credentials and in the position you were in I would fucking sprint and not walk to find out how to immigrate to the U.S.

I'm not being sarcastic at all but it's just true. A black U.K. doctor you should theoretically recieve an incredible status bump compared to where you are now.

Immigrating to the US will be a 1-2 year process - you will have to take 3 exams (should cost around 2-3k in exam fees alone), score decently well on them and then apply to residency programs. If you get a residency spot, you are technically in training to become a doctor and you will make around 50k per year while you are in the residency program.

Medicine is better for doctors in the US, but a lot of US doctors dislike the field for a variety of reasons.

2-3k is also not much when considering the overall career advancement. You're throwing up a lot of mental roadblocks.

Why are you so protective of this?

Look at the match rate - the residency program foundation advertises a ~50% match rate for international medical (IMG) graduates who apply to US residency programs. They are saying that 1 in every 2 IMGs who apply will get a residency spot and eventually become a doctor in the US.

But this stat is super misleading to IMGs. Why? Because the foundation excludes all the IMGs who applied to US residency programs but did not get any interviews from the statistic. If you include all the IMGs who apply (including those who got interviews and who didn't get any interviews), the match rate drops to 35%.

If you are in the UK, you can make money as a doctor right now. In the US, you will be spending money on tests and any exam that you don't do well on will make it more likely that you will not be in 65% that will not get a residency spot.

Is it possible to immigrate? Yes.

But it is much harder than you think.

Why are you trying to dissuade him from going to the U.S.?

That's what I want to know.

You're really adamant on that fact and went hostile when I pointed out certain ethnic groups who are prominent in the U.S. medical field.

It's interesting to say the least.