Post: #15126

(06-29-2017 04:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 04:32 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Identitarian movement bought a ship!

Yeah - as much as you can appreciate their efforts, only those kind of boats are going to change things:

Imagine you can assume control of a Western country for 30 days, but you can only choose one of the following areas of control:

1) Controlling the Military, Police and Border Guards or
2) Controlling the Media Apparatus

You might tend to pick option 1, so you can close the borders and deport illegal immigrants. But after 30 days everything will go back to normal and people still will condemn you, because the Media is portraying you negatively.

The guys from Defend Europe are aware that politically these individual actions won't matter too much. But that's not their goal, at least at first: The most important goal is to challenge the metapolitical narrative. We have to be so daring that they can't ignore us. Strategically, they (Globalists and Media) are in a worse position, because they play now by our rules and have to react how we want. It's similar to Trump's strategy of playing the media. This is how we will gain traction, step by step. A good analogy would be the story of Robin Hood. His actions were politically and militarily not significant. But he challenged the establishment and became mythological. He gained the trust and support of the populace.

Action like these stretch the Overton Window. And we have a lot of impressive actions planned for the future. Our numbers are constantly growing. Regardless if you believe in a political situation or not, there are always Thermopyles to die at gloriously. Sticking with a fitting analogy: The ship of the Western Civilization might be sinking, but I personally don't try to fill the holes. I try to rescue as many like minded people as possible. They will be desperately needed in those dark times times that lie ahead.

And our girls are the prettiest, too. Most do not talk about this.

Post: #15127

(06-29-2017 07:49 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Kind of appropriate, given the "Frankfurt School":

Quote:Frankfurt Becomes First German City Where Natives Are Minority
For the first time, more than half of Frankfurt residents now have a migrant background, according to official data from the city’s Office of Statistics and Elections.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/...-minority/

Not only in Germany, here is the chronological progression of towns where white British under 18's, are now a minority, based on the School Census, since online record became available in 1997. New entrants for each year in capitals.

1997: No towns had a white British minority.

1998: No towns had a white British minority.

1999: SLOUGH

2000: Slough, NELSON.

2001: Slough, Nelson, GREATER LONDON, BATLEY

2002: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, LEICESTER

2003: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester

2004: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, BIRMINGHAM

2005: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, LUTON

2006: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton.

2007: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, KEIGHLEY

2008: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, BURTON-ON-TRENT

2009: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, HIGH WYCOMBE.

2010: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, BRADFORD

2011: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, MANCHESTER

2012: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, DEWSBURY

2013: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, Dewsbury, HUDDERSFIELD

2014: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, Dewsbury. Huddersfield, HALIFAX

In 2015: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, Dewsbury. Huddersfield, Halifax, SANDWELL, BLACKBURN, READING, WATFORD

In 2016: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, Dewsbury. Huddersfield, Halifax, Sandwell, Blackburn, Reading, Watford, NOTTINGHAM, WOLVERHAMPTON, OXFORD

In 2017: Slough, Nelson, Greater London, Batley, Leicester, Birmingham, Luton, Keighley, Burton-on-Trent, High Wycombe, Bradford, Manchester, Dewsbury. Huddersfield, Halifax, Sandwell, Blackburn, Reading, Watford, Nottingham, Wolverhampton, Oxford, BEDFORD, COVENTRY.

Post: #15128

(06-30-2017 04:23 AM)reciproke Wrote:  Imagine you can assume control of a Western country for 30 days, but you can only choose one of the following areas of control:

1) Controlling the Military, Police and Border Guards or
2) Controlling the Media Apparatus

You might tend to pick option 1, so you can close the borders and deport illegal immigrants. But after 30 days everything will go back to normal and people still will condemn you, because the Media is portraying you negatively.

The guys from Defend Europe are aware that politically these individual actions won't matter too much. But that's not their goal, at least at first: The most important goal is to challenge the metapolitical narrative. We have to be so daring that they can't ignore us. Strategically, they (Globalists and Media) are in a worse position, because they play now by our rules and have to react how we want. It's similar to Trump's strategy of playing the media. This is how we will gain traction, step by step. A good analogy would be the story of Robin Hood. His actions were politically and militarily not significant. But he challenged the establishment and became mythological. He gained the trust and support of the populace.

Action like these stretch the Overton Window. And we have a lot of impressive actions planned for the future. Our numbers are constantly growing. Regardless if you believe in a political situation or not, there are always Thermopyles to die at gloriously. Sticking with a fitting analogy: The ship of the Western Civilization might be sinking, but I personally don't try to fill the holes. I try to rescue as many like minded people as possible. They will be desperately needed in those dark times times that lie ahead.

And our girls are the prettiest, too. Most do not talk about this.

The reason why Trump's strategy worked in the U.S. is because he recognized and filled a political vacuum created by the failings of the Neo-con Republicans. Such a vacuum does not exist in most parts of Western and Southern Europe mainly because:

• Nationalism and patriotism has been demonized for decades.
• Whites are laden by an inherited guilt complex instilled since Kindergarten.
• European natives have been taught to reject violence at all cost, despite being physically superior to most invaders.
• There is a huge social stigma attached to resisting liberal multi-culti ideology.
• Laws are already in place to silence and punish natives who resist repopulation. More extreme laws are in the works. There is even talk about unleashing government controlled trojans on political dissidents.
• There is no 1st amendment (i.e. free speech and assembly)
• There is no 2nd amendment (right to bear arms). Most of Northern Europe has been disarmed and being arrested with a firearm will put you in jail for several years.
• Most importantly: Elections in Europe continue to favor the incumbent liberal ideologues by a comfortable margin.
  

I actually could go on but you get the idea. Unfortunately what you propose comes about 10 years too late, it may have worked before 2010 with a lot of luck. Europe at this stage has unfortunately jumped the shark and there is no turning it back via late stage propaganda. If you stick your head out you will be dealt with extremely harshly, either by the state or the growing Islamist street gangs.

I know how you feel and I myself find myself often incensed by the complacent inaction and victim mentality exhibited by most Europeans. But it cannot be helped unfortunately, there is no political will because the underlying disease implanted itself decades ago starting in the 1960s.

The best we can do at this stage is to protect ourselves and safeguard the future of our families, wherever that may lead us. Some of us have 2nd passports and will be able to leave when things finally slide completely out of control. I strongly encourage the rest of you to take action now so that you don't find yourselves trapped in a war zone.

Post: #15129

(06-28-2017 10:58 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The globalists who in my opinion are also in control of China would love to push the same policies and use the same propaganda tools of actors and actresses.

97% opposition however to those plans speaks a clear language. China is going to stay China for a while.

Though I expect them take in plenty of educated and well-off Westerners before, during and after the Caliphate wars. Europe will remain enriched even after the war and China will be a more civilized place then.

Zelscorpion my man, where did you get the idea that China is controlled by globalists?
China is controlled by the CPC, which - any close observer of China would agree – is very nationalist since the Deng era. Mao’s Cultural Revolution has been decried as the greatest disaster by the CPC itself. The Chinese government and people call it Ten Years of Apocalyptic Catastrophe. They will do anything in their power to prevent anything like it from happening again.
Here is a few government policies that demonstrates its nationalist character:
1. Patriotic education: The educational policy of the Chinese government is precisely the very antithesis of globalistic education - it is called patriotic education. It drills into the mind of impressional youngsters the concept of "national humiliation", referring to the two recent centuries when China was assaulted and humiliated by the West, and Japan. As a result, the Chinese people are extremely jingoistic and xenophobic.

Quote:http://thediplomat.com/2014/11/a-glimpse...tionalism/
These extreme protests and general anti-Japan sentiment have been linked to China’s education system. In the wake of the 1989 student-led Tiananmen Square uprising, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) launched its “Patriotic Education Campaign.” It shifted from emphasis on the triumphs of socialism and class struggle, to focusing attention on the atrocities inflicted by foreign enemies during the “Century of Humiliation” spanning from the 1839 Opium War through the particularly bloody Japanese invasion of WWII. The 2012 protests suggested Chinese leaders had perhaps too successfully molded their citizens into rabid nationalists

To the male human being, humiliation is worst, most unendurable feelings. Hence the feeling of humiliation has tremendous driving/motivational force. Which made Chinese men much more nationalistic than women. But the women are also far more patriotic than their Western counterparts. The teen girls have the slogan: "No idols before country".
Xi Jinping has been doubling down on patriotic education.
Read in full: China Says Its Students, Even Those Abroad, Need More ‘Patriotic Education’

Quote:
The directive, issued by the Communist Party organization of the Ministry of Education, calls for “patriotic education” to suffuse each stage and aspect of schooling, through textbooks, student assessments, museum visits and the Internet, which is the chief source of information for many young Chinese.
“Organically instill the patriotic spirit into all subjects, curriculums and standards for primary, secondary and higher education in morals, language, history, geography, sports, arts and so on,” says the document, which was approved in late January but publicized only on Tuesday by Xinhua, the state-run news agency.
The document demands that university and college students be instructed more thoroughly to “always follow the party” and be “clearly taught about the dangers of negativity about the history of the party, nation, revolution and reform and opening up, as well as of vilifying heroic figures.”
… But the new document shows how President Xi Jinping is taking demands for party proselytizing even further than his predecessors did, including beyond China’s borders. The directive says that Chinese students studying abroad must also be made a focus of instruction in Mr. Xi’s “ChinaDream” of national revival.
“Assemble the broad numbers of students abroad as a positive patriotic energy,” the document says. “Build a multidimensional contact network linking home and abroad — the motherland, embassies and consulates, overseas student groups, and the broad number of students abroad — so that they fully feel that the motherland cares.”
… Keeping with Mr. Xi’s emphasis on restoring respect for ancient traditions that reflect the party’s authoritarian values, the Ministry of Education party directive also urges educators to emphasize studying classical texts and virtues.
“Guide youthful students to establish and maintain correct views of history, the nation, state and culture,” the document says. “Constantly enhance their sense of belonging to the Chinese nation.”

Positive Patriotic Energy is a great concept. Head off to the CPC.

2. Xi Jinping’s major political slogan is exactly translated as: The Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Volk.
Xi has been doing this by aggressively pushing for China’s traditional value and belief.

Quote: In November, Mr. Xi visited Qufu, Shandong Province, where Confucius was born, to “send a signal that we must vigorously promote China’s traditional culture.” He told scholars that while the West was suffering a “crisis of confidence,” the Communist Party had been “the loyal inheritor and promoter of China’s outstanding traditional culture.”
… More children undergo Confucian-inspired coming-of-age rites, wearing re-creations of ancient scholars’ gowns. Some universities have turned graduation ceremonies into rituals inspired by tradition. Devotees join in elaborate ceremonies to honor Confucius.
With Mr. Xi, 61, likely to be China’s top leader for a decade, officials have been emulating him, and propaganda outlets have exhorted people to imitate his reverence for the ancient past. In May, the overseas edition of the state-run newspaper People’s Daily published a selection of 76 of Mr. Xi’s quotes from Chinese ancients, most often Confucius and Mencius, but also relatively obscure works that suggest a deeper knowledge of the classics.
“When Xi is putting on a political performance, he uses Marxist-Leninist rhetoric and even Mao’s words,” said Kang Xiaoguang, a professor of public administration at Renmin University in Beijing. “But in his bones, what really influences him is not those things but intellectual resources from the traditional classics.”
This restoration of tradition has been encouraged by the party, eager to inoculate citizens against Western liberal ideas, which are deemed a decadent recipe for chaos. The Ministry of Education authorized guidelines in March to strengthen instruction in China’s “outstanding traditional culture,” and the party propaganda department has said traditional values are part of “socialist core values.” [socialism with chinese characteristics is basically sinicized national socialism]
… Visiting a university in Beijing last month, Mr. Xi said he lamented proposals that could reduce mandatory study of Chinese classical literature in school. He said, “The classics should be set in students’ minds so they become the genes of Chinese national culture.”

Xi Jinping is also backing China’s traditional religions against foreign religion.
Read in full:

Quote: Mr. Xi’s early encounters with religious life give insight into a man who has run China with a firmer hand than any other leader since Mao Zedong. Although he is best known abroad for his efforts to expand China’s territorial reach in the South China Sea or his high-profile campaign against corruption, at home the president is engineering a remarkable about-face for the Communist Party: an effort to rejuvenate China’s spiritual life through an embrace of some religions.
As an organization that has tried to squelch religion, the Communist Party under Mr. Xi is now backing it in ways that echo the approach of strongmen like Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, who use faith to legitimize their rule…
Mr. Xi, by making China a guardian of a major faith like Buddhism, also sees religion as a way to promote China’s position in a world still dominated by the United States…
Indeed, one of Mr. Xi’s signature lines is, “If the people have faith, the nation has hope, and the country has strength.”
… Mr. Xi might have also seen religion as a tool to develop and rule a part of the country with strong religious roots.
But during several visits to Zhengding over the past five years, I discovered a more complex picture of China’s leader. Mr. Xi was a pragmatist, but evidence also points to his being motivated by genuine respect for traditional Chinese faiths, such as Buddhism, Taoism and folk religion.
… If Mr. Xi was favorably disposed toward Buddhism, he seems to have had more trouble with Christianity. From 2002 to 2007, he served as party leader of Zhejiang Province, where his administration received a black eye when it confronted local Christians. A congregation in the township of Xiaoshan had built a church, but the government declared it illegal and tried to demolish it in 2006. Hundreds of believers flooded the area, pushing back the police.
Although the government eventually succeeded in tearing down the church, it became one of the most embarrassing episodes in Mr. Xi’s period in Zhejiang.
Not surprisingly, Christians have fared poorly during the past five years of Mr. Xi’s rule. Most notoriously, over 1,500 crosses have been pulled off the steeples of churches in that same province. Probably not coincidentally, the head of Zhejiang who has overseen this operation was Mr. Xi’s top law enforcement officer during the 2006 episode. Mr. Xi almost certainly would have had to have signed off on the cross-removal campaign, re-emphasizing the fact that he is probably better disposed toward religions considered more traditional in China — Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and folk religion — than those deemed foreign, like Christianity and Islam.
This is reinforced by Mr. Xi’s activities since taking office. In 2013, he lauded Confucius on a visit to his birthplace, Qufu, in Shandong Province. The next year, he spoke favorably about Buddhism while visiting Paris.
Over the past five years, religion has also become a tool for improving Communist Party officials’ ethics, with officials in some localities instructed to read the classics to elevate their morals.

China under Xi has also been carrying on de-Islamization program Xinjiang, banning Arab Muslim names like Muhammah, banning Muslim beard and burqa.
3. It’s not only Xi Jinping, but other Chinese leaders have been very nationalist. Xi just takes it to a new level. They are also very consciously cautioning against the corrupting influence of modern Western/Globalist values. For example, former president Hu Jintao, penned an essay warning against globalist influence:

Quote: BEIJING — President Hu Jintao has said China must strengthen its cultural production to defend against the West’s assault on the country’s culture and ideology, according to an essay in a Communist Party policy magazine published this week. The publication of Mr. Hu’s words signaled that a new major policy initiative announced in October would continue well into 2012.
The essay, which was signed by Mr. Hu and based on a speech he gave in October, drew a sharp line between the cultures of the West and China and effectively said the two sides were engaged in an escalating war.
“We must clearly see that international hostile forces are intensifying the strategic plot of Westernizing and dividing China, and ideological and cultural fields are the focal areas of their long-term infiltration,” Mr. Hu said, according to a translation by The Associated Press.
“We should deeply understand the seriousness and complexity of the ideological struggle, always sound the alarms and remain vigilant, and take forceful measures to be on guard and respond,” he added.
Those measures, Mr. Hu said, should be centered on developing cultural products that can draw the interest of the Chinese and meet the “growing spiritual and cultural demands of the people.”

4. This is no empty word. China ban all sort of things that it sees as corrupting youth. Porn is banned in China as it’s in Israel (American porn industry is owned by Jews). This prevents China from turning into a low-desire society like Japan did. Japanese men have been killing their drive with all sort of porn and hentai. Even though many Chinese still find ways to download porn, this policy limit porn culture and prevent it from growing to the size of Japan’s or America’s porn culture.

China also ban all gay content and other decadent content on television

Quote: The Chinese government has banned all depictions of gay people on television, as part of a cultural crackdown on “vulgar, immoral and unhealthy content”.
Chinese censors have released new regulations for content that “exaggerates the dark side of society” and now deem homosexuality, extramarital affairs, one night stands and underage relationships as illegal on screen.
Last week the Chinese government pulled a popular drama, Addicted, from being streamed on Chinese websites as it follows two men in gay relationships, causing uproar among the show’s millions of viewers.
The government said the show contravened the new guidelines, which state that “No television drama shall show abnormal sexual relationships and behaviours, such as incest, same-sex relationships, sexual perversion, sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexual violence, and so on.”
The ban also extends to smoking, drinking, adultery, sexually suggestive clothing, even reincarnation. China’s State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television told television producers it would constantly monitor TV channels to ensure the new rules were strictly adhered to.

The clampdown follows an increase in cultural censorship in China since Xi Jinping came to power in November 2012… In September 2015, a documentary about young gay Chinese called Mama Rainbow was taken down from all Chinese websites… The shows should “promote the excellent traditional culture of China,” “spread positive energy” and “contribute to the achievement of the Chinese Dream.”
The new regulations have angered gay activists in China, who have fought for two decades to overcome the substantial stigma in their country against homosexuality… In November, one Chinese campaigner took the government to court over its description of homosexuality as a “psychological disorder” in textbooks.

Are you worried that celebrities will spread globalism into China? Well, the Chinese government tells its people not to put celebrities on a pedestal.

Quote: Specifically, the two categories of news should refrain from contents that make improper jokes traditions, defile classics, or express overt admiration for Western lifestyles, according to the circular.
They should also avoid putting stars, billionaires or Internet celebrities on pedestals; or sensationalizing private affairs, relationships or family disputes.
Moreover, social and entertainment news products must not advocate overnight fame, wealth parade or hedonism, selfishness or intrigue.

To give a glimpse of just how nationalistic the Chinese political elites are, see this:
China lawmaker proposes ban on placing hand over heart during national anthem, because it’s too American

Quote: Placing a hand over the heart during the national anthem is common practice for many as a way of showing support for their country; however, one Chinese lawmaker wants the gesture banned in China.
The National People's Congress Standing Committee met recently to discuss new terms and regulations regarding the Chinese national anthem. During deliberations, one committee member, Chen Guoling, proposed that putting your hand over your heart during the "March of the Volunteers" should be prohibited by Chinese law because the gesture originated in the United States and has no history in China.
"Young people always put their right hands over their hearts under the national anthem, especially certain sports players. But it is not acceptable as this is an act originated from America in 1942. Americans do this to salute the US," Chen said according to CGTN.
“We should follow Chinese manners and Chinese rules,” he added, proposing that a clause be added to the recently-written draft law which bans any gestures "foreign, religious or self-made" during the anthem.
…Along with the ban on salutes, the NPC also discussed harsher punishments for those who mock or disrespect the national anthem. As of now, those charged with this offense can face detention for up to 15 days, but a few committee members wanted to make the punishments even more severe for those who "maliciously modify the lyrics or play/sing the national anthem in a distorted or disrespectful way."

5. For all its citizens’ professed love for the Jews, China government has been supporting Palestine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%8..._relations
Some of the more aware Chinese citizens are thanking the CPC for not letting the Jews influencing their politics:

Quote: I have once stayed in Israel for 1 year. after that, I am convinced that CPC’s stance on Israel is the best: we can only business partners, no more!
People tends to have romantic fantasy for things that they do not fully understand. That is why so many Chinese hold generally good views towards Israel.
After my stay, I ditched my original idea, although I still has some good friends in Israel.
There is ONE anecdote that I will never forget:
In 2008 when PRC appeared to be as another superpower in the world stage, which worries many Israel since CPC’s position on Palestine is always pro-Palestinians and against Israels’ occupation although it is never been PRC’s priority. So it is not hard to understand that Israel is worrying about Chinese intervention of middle east affairs. So I watch a Israel TV political program on what is the possible long term strategy that Israel can have towards PRC. Can you have a good guess on what is their best methods:
Let some beautiful Israel women get married with top Chinese political families, and their kids are Jewish. That is because Israelis cannot influence Chinese politics as they influence US politics: buying politicians by money.
My first response to such a conclusion is: thank god, Chinese has CPC, which is atheist, and trust always by tests. Otherwise, it could be nightmare for Chinese.

Basically, to become a CPC member you have to be an avowed atheist. And in order to climb the power ladder you have to prove yourself at the local level. You can’t get promoted if you don’t produce good result.
China practically only allow people with Chinese blood to earn Chinese citizenship. Even if you married a local for decades, you still can’t get Chinese citizenship, only a green card. Your children can’t join the CPC since you are not a PRC citizen. Maybe your children’s children can, but they will be vested thoroughly to detect any sort of foreign connection. If a Chinese has relatives who own homes abroad he can’t join the CPC either. If you have foreign blood you probably won’t be trusted.
Also, the CPC has collective leadership. The direction of the country are decided by 7 members of the Poliburo Standing Committee by vote, and only settled with an absolute majority (6:1, or 7:0).
The CPC is very paranoid about being influenced by foreign forces, so it takes all employable measures to guard against foreign influences.
China is for the Chinese only. The Chinese only make money for themselves, not for any globalists or Jews.
The CPC ban facebook, google, twitter and all popular Western social medias to prevent them from influencing Chinese citizens and taking advantage of Chinese citizens’ data. They build their own internet. Chinese Internet is world unto itself. Facebook have other social medias have been used to destabilize countries in the Middle East, and the Chinese government simply doesn’t allow this to happen on their home.

Quote:In 2013, a bomb went off in Boston. 3 people were killed. Facebook and Twitter all immediately jumped in to help with the investigation. Multi, Social Media Play Huge Role in Solving Boston Bombing They were so eager to help that they even jumped on the wrong person!
In 2009, ETIM, which was formally classified as terrorism organization by both the UN and the US in 2002, organized a riot in China that killed almost 200 people. July 2009 Ürümqi riots. Most of the dead were women and children. They used Facebook to set up the riot. The Chinese government asked Facebook to help identifying the terrorists. Facebook said, eh, hmm, just freedom fighters exercising free speech. So the Chinese told them to get the f*ck out of China. Later Facebook has attempted several times to get back in, and the Chinese government always smiled politely without budging an inch.[/quote[
[quote] As we are well into the Fourth Industrial Revolution, all things data become of paramount importance. US based companies like Alphabet (Google) and Facebook have something of a duopoly on consumer data and China doesn’t want them to have all this info which can be used/sold for strategic marketing and political purposes. Home-grown competitors like Tencent and Baidu are also well served by this policy.
The second and equally important consideration is that the US/CIA has used Facebook to encourage destabilization in several countries in the Middle East and Europe. The Guardian has confirmed CIA agents uses software to set up fake profiles and spread propaganda for the purpose of government destabilization. There is simply too much fake information on Facebook.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/20...l-networks

6. China became powerful by itself. In the Chinese Civil War, Western powers favored Chiang Kai-Shek and funded him, but he still got defeated by Mao Zedong. Relation between PRC and the US only softened when the PRC was breaking with the USSR the US wanted another ally against the USSR. When China opened its market, most of its FDI came from Taiwan and Hongkong, by ethnic Chinese. About half of China’s FDI comes from Hong Kong. Asia accounts for 65% of China’s FDI. America didn’t invest in China until much later on.
Foreign companies want to open factory in China simply because it’s good deal. Aside from cheap, high-IQ labor, China also has:
1. world-class infrastructure, if you want to set up factories, first of all you need good transportation system and reliable utility supply, which China has.
2. A complete supply chain. China is a huge country, it can manufacture all the components of any product, and do so more efficiently than other countries.
3. Economy of scale. The larger the manufacturing industry, the lower the production cost.
Which keep production cost in China low despite wage rising faster than inflation. Some low-end industries have been moving to Vietnam for lower labor cost, but China remains a manufacturing powerhouse because most mid to low-end are better made in China for cheaper cost. (Some companies moved factories to Vietnam and then moved back to China because Vietnam can’t deliver the labor quality needed.)
*Obama tried to contain China’s rise with the TPP, and by [url= http://www.pcworld.com/article/2908692/u...ml]banning Intel from selling Xeon chips for China[/url]. Trump wants to impose tariff on China, and block China’s investment in US’s high-tech. Every recent American admistration tries to contains China’s rise.
So, I don’t believe China is controlled by any sort of globalist conspiracy.
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(06-28-2017 09:13 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  China is based:

Chinese Foreign Minister: ‘Refugees Should Return to Their Homeland’

Quote:Business Standard has some even more fiery comments from Chinese opponents of migration, including people who referred to U.N. Refugee Agency Goodwill Ambassador Yao Chen, a popular actress, as “Saint Mary Bitch” because she urged China to give more support to refugees.

To give you an idea of how based the Chinese are, I’ll let the Chinese explain themselves, first on the concept used here.

Quote: "圣母婊" (sheng mu biao), which is relative to the "Sheng mu" (Virgin Mary), is a bitch in the Virgin Mary's clothing. We can call it Mary Bitch.
The Virgin Mary uses her own money to aid the people in need; "圣母婊" (sheng mu biao) is the people who stand on the moral high ground and command others to take out money to aid the people in need.
For example, a group of shameless net friends did not donate a dime, but they ask other people to donate money, which is typical "圣母婊" (sheng mu biao).

Sometimes just Shengmu suffices as an insult.

Quote: The Chinese netizens labelled Ms. Yao as ‘圣母’ (the Virgin Mary), a term created by the Chinese to refer to those who are eager to show their mercy at other people’s expense.
Yes Ms. Yao could live in her villa and called for love, because at the end of the day accepting refugees would have little impact on her luxury life, rather, it would the ordinary Chinese who bear the expenses.

Basically the Chinese have their own word for Virtue Signalling Bitch.
Some Chinese Quora users comment on the Chinese’s refusal to take in refugees

Quote:
I graduated from a top university in China. My friends are among the most educated Chinese. Many of them are well traveled and have worked around the world. When the news saying that China is among the highest refugees welcome index countries, everyone in our WeChat group was outraged—where did the data come from?!
You see western media is no better than China Daily after all. The made-up data went too far!
So what do I think about it? I say good job! We made our point clear: we don’t like refugees. Our border, our rule.
It is cheap to condemn someone else on moral high ground. You are not god. You do not stand for justice.
Me neither. Therefore, I won’t pretend that I know and I care about right and wrong. I won’t take on the responsibility of saving humanity. It is not my job.
But I know I want to live a life I am familiar with, an atheist way of life. I am not ready for mosques everywhere in China.
My fellow Chinese, it is not a shame to put our own needs in higher priority. We have to be assertive in holding our ground. We don’t need western world’s affirmation to do what we believe is best for us.

Quote:Question: [url= https://www.quora.com/Why-don%E2%80%99t-...Liu-70]Why don’t ordinary Chinese people like Muslim refugees from the Arabic countries?[/url]
Answer:
人必自侮，然後人侮之；家必自毀，而後人毀之；國必自伐，而後人伐之。《太甲》曰：『天作孽，猶可違；自作孽，不可活。』── 《孟子 • 離婁上》
A man must first despise himself, and then others will despise him. A family must first destroy itself, and then others will destroy it. A State must first smite itself, and then others will smite it. This is illustrated in the passage of the Tai Jia, "When Heaven sends down calamities, it is still possible to escape them. When we occasion the calamities ourselves, it is not possible any longer to live. ── ‘Li Lou I • Mengzi’

No one, not even the most beloved Chinese actress, like Zhao Wei, can be spared from virulent criticism from the people themselves when he/she behaves unpatriotically.

Post: #15130

There are a myriad reasons why China is certainly controlled by the globalists. The current nationalist climate is irrelevant, because those boys take a long-term plan. The US was already highly controlled by the globalists 100 years ago despite it being highly nationalistic back then.

The main reason which should be logical for everyone is that no - China did not build itself up on it's own. You simply don't transfer 80% of your manufacturing capacity and technology as a globalist if you do not control a country. The rise of China was sped up tremendously by the globalists. They destroyed the old culture first, foisted the communists to power and then they shifted back again to a pseudo-capitalist system.

You better read Carroll Quigley, Antony Sutton and Alan Watt - cuttingthroughthematrix.com.

The Chinese soldiers need to be strong and nationalistic, since they are set to take over from the US as the global police force just as the US took over from Britain. The Chinese are also meant to completely dominate the African continent, settle there with 100 mio. Chinese, establish bases and bring peace and prosperity (under iron brutal rule eventually).

You have a myriad of examples from China - the Strong family - https://usefulstooges.com/2015/12/25/ann...-for-mao/, but also the Rockefellers have set up shop there a while ago.

The nationalism of China is necessary for their soon-to-be shown military strength. When that it accomplished and they are rich and complacent, then the country can shift to degeneration mode just as the US has done.

You cannot accomplish big military targets by trannies, women in combat units and troops that are ordered to walk around in high-heels. Most importantly you cannot go forever straining the budget like the US has done.

Everything is running as foreseen. The guys studying the globalists plans knew about the ascent of China back in the 1970s. Actually they drew up long-term plans before in the 1930s after assessing the mentality of the people. They knew that the Chines were hard-working and intelligent - also very obedient. They only had to destroy the previous culture and subjugate them to communism. If the communist party moves to a different policy in the year 2070 after WWIII with Islam, well then they will do it.

Your worldview is very likely highly different from the one I have - also different from the one that Carroll Quigley - Council of Foreign Relations historian and mentor of Bill Clinton - wrote about in his books.

Post: #15131

For those who have visited China, how are prominent communist symbols and this sort of mentality among the people?

China is officially a communist country, but at the same time it seems that this "communism" is starting to fall apart. To me it seems that communism in China is just nice excuse for top dogs in the Party to have shitload of money (same as rest of communist countries).

So Zel, you think that China will become a new honcho, i.e. world policeman and potentially a founder of the NWO?

Post: #15132

The list Redpillage has will soon include Bury, Bolton, Oldham and Preston. Oldham is a socialist sink hole and has seen voting irregularities which Tory MPs have been saying is down to ethnic groups. No group is even half as organised for their own ideology as Muslims are but they won't say it.

There won't be any major swing back in Europe for some years yet. I keep repeating this but Europeans are not American and will only start doing things once the front door has been blown open and the enemy is in the parlour.

In europe there are many areas at different stages of invasion but heres a list of the types you can attach to them.

1: No-go zones for police
2: No-go zones for non-whites
3: No-go zones for non-criminals
4: no-go zones for women
5: No-go zones for women at night
6: No-go zones for homosexuals

No go zone as a term means you cannot go there in case of safety fears for a lot of people but to me it means you should not go there because your person is genuinely at risk of harm. You can physically go there and not face marauding packs of supposed enemies of your race/religion on every square metre lets be honest but once spotted they won't leave you alone and tend to hang around nearby.

It only takes 1 of them to take an interest.

These zones are expanding and increasing in number and why wouldn't they? There is no push back and those articles of women in French cities, especially Paris are at a higher risk than normal because of the people and atmosphere in the area.

Post: #15133

The problem is much more widespread than even the media is aware of. I work closely with some high level specialist police officers, and off the record they have been quite frank that the scale of radicalisation in even some provincial towns is such that they are looking at quietly dropping policing of a number of other types of serious crimes altogether. Frightening stuff.

Post: #15134

China is globalist in the sense that they have adopted the most potent weapons of the (((money elite))) which is international open border capitalism, consumerism and debt based spending. Those 3 makes sure China can't act completely in opposition to the US.

On the other hand, they work hard at limiting step 2 of the plan, which is cultural degeneracy. They ban Facebook and most other tools of the AngloZionists. They're basically following the Russian model of capitalism but social conservatism. Iran and Venezuela are countries which are not westernized in any way. They don't do very well, because trade can be shut down overnight.

The Chinese are certainly not sitting around in some NWO lobby taking orders from their jew masters. They are just in it by exposure and mutual interest, but they will never fall for the kind of jewish tricks of SJWism because the jews can't pass off as Chinese and ultimately that is what kills a country.

Post: #15135

(06-30-2017 10:02 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  China is globalist in the sense that they have adopted the most potent weapons of the (((money elite))) which is international open border capitalism, consumerism and debt based spending. Those 3 makes sure China can't act completely in opposition to the US.

On the other hand, they work hard at limiting step 2 of the plan, which is cultural degeneracy. They ban Facebook and most other tools of the AngloZionists. They're basically following the Russian model of capitalism but social conservatism. Iran and Venezuela are countries which are not westernized in any way. They don't do very well, because trade can be shut down overnight.

The Chinese are certainly not sitting around in some NWO lobby taking orders from their jew masters. They are just in it by exposure and mutual interest, but they will never fall for the kind of jewish tricks of SJWism because the jews can't pass off as Chinese and ultimately that is what kills a country.

Jewish population helps, since many at the top of theirs are on board with the plan.

But there are a myriad Freemason groups, CFR offshoots operating in China. The globalists work by first controlling:

1) The money (done deal - central banks have been under their control since the revolution)
2) Secret services - death squads (very likely under their control)

You literally don't need much else.

Either way - China is not some kind of independent entity that is operating on it's own.

Post: #15136

(06-30-2017 08:46 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The main reason which should be logical for everyone is that no - China did not build itself up on it's own. You simply don't transfer 80% of your manufacturing capacity and technology as a globalist if you do not control a country.

Capitalists built factories in China because it's profitable to do so. Nothing more. China is simply the most profitable place to build your factories and that's it.

And no, it's Japan and South Korea that got real technological transfer from the US, not China. The US set experts to Japan to teach them technology. The same thing was not given to China. China moved up the technological ladder by:
a. Allowing foreign enterprises to open factories on their land and learn the modus operandi by observing.
b. Hacking the fuck out of more technological advanced countries. If they were backed by globalist elites they wouldn’t need to do this.
c. Pressuring foreign enterprises into transfering technology in order to have access to the Chinese market, as they’re doing now.
Aside from traditional methods like investing in education, R&D, abroad study, etc. That’s it.

Quote: They destroyed the old culture first, foisted the communists to power and then they shifted back again to a pseudo-capitalist system.

No, the CPC has complete power previous to the Cultural Revolution.

Quote:
You have a myriad of examples from China - the Strong family - https://usefulstooges.com/2015/12/25/ann...er-for-mao

Sounds like some dumb liberal to me.

Quote: but also the Rockefellers have set up shop there a while ago.

Yeah, a business organization setting up shop in the most populous country. What about it?

Quote:The guys studying the globalists plans knew about the ascent of China back in the 1970s. Actually they drew up long-term plans before in the 1930s after assessing the mentality of the people.

Napoleon saw China’s rise, too. Anyone would if they study China’s history and basic geographic and demographic conditions. A populous intelligent people will rise sooner or later.

Quote: They knew that the Chines were hard-working and intelligent - also very obedient.

Yes and no.The Chinese’s loyalty is above all to their family and clan. Everything else is secondary. They will obey order in a power structure because that how they best survive and move up. Almost every Chinese wants to move up the ladder and no one wants to stay a lackey, if they can. Nobody is obedient for the sake of it (other than to their parents). They just want the money and the status. See my sig. Do they seem like some docile, virtuously obedient type? Heck no. To quote Suits, the Chinese live only to win in life.

China is arguably the most rebellious country in history. Throughout their long history they had countless rebellions. When the emperor is weal the vassals will eat up all the power. When the status quo become uncomfortable for the people while the emperor is weak then he gets overthrown. Confucian morality is really mostly a socio-political tool. The officials use it as a medium of legitimacy to attack each other and constraint each other and advance political goals. The people follow its precepts to attain prestige, and as a way to advance in life (through the imperial exams).

Which is why the Chinese will never bow down to some Jewish masters. They all want to be the boss. They prefer an authoritarian system because in an authoritarian system they will be more powerful when they get to climb the ladder. Mao himself is the typical power-hungry type.

The Han Chinese are also racial supremacist. Nothing is more ridiculous to them than the thought that they are inferior to some other race and should make money for those masters - unless forced to do so with guns pointing at their head. The Manchus had to kill millions of Han Chinese just for them to accept the braid hair, other essential Han culture remain intact.

Quote:They only had to destroy the previous culture and subjugate them to communism.

Arguably nothing essential about Chinese culture was destroyed during the Cultural revolution. Some superficial temples and artifacts were destroyed. But they are rebuilding the temples now (what’s the point of destroying them and then rebuilding them if this is all planned? They regret it now because the old sites would have make tremendous money as tourist sites). Some etiquettes were destroyed, but some of them are being brought back like coming-of-age ceremonies. Some customs are gone for good, like feet-binding. Some relationship were damaged, but insignificant in the long term – not anything that can’t be ruined by desperate poverty and competitve market. China is currently more social conservative Japan which didn’t go through any cultural revolution. While the Japanese tout their architecture and tea ceremony and etiquettes and traditional foods and clothings, their women still fuck before marriage and their birth rate are low as fuck. The cultural traditionality is little more than empty shell when the birth rate is so low.

The most essential traditions which can be preserved in an industrialized society are still kept. The greatest medium of Chinese culture, the Hanzi, remains intact. Confucian classics and traditional religion are promoted. Classical Chinese are taught as compulsory subjects in school, and any good Chinese students can read text dating back thousand of years. They are rebuilding and strengthening their traditional culture. What’s the point of doing that if cultural revolution was part of the plan?

Even in the old day, the Chinese only pray to the Buddha and heaven of whatever deity there is for a prosperous life, or when they want a child. They were always a dominantly secular people, never deeply religious, and more clan/family-oriented than community-oriented. Their religious faith if there is any is superficial at best - of otherworldly matter they believe everything and trust nothing, and mostly indifferent. It was never important to whether Catholicism is true or Protestantism is true, and never will.

The Chinese are as cunning, greedy, and ruthless, as down-to-earth, pragmatic and worldly as they ever were. Apart from outward expressions like clothing and etiquette and architecture, they are just like their ancestors in inward spirit and personality. People are rude now because they were of peasant origin. A few generations later and they will adopt manner, and their cunning will be less crude and more sophisticated, but still cunning like their ancestors were.

Nobody in China believes in communism (except a few nuts). Especially the CPC members themselves. CPC membership is means of gaining power and advantage in life. Within the party Marx is frequently criticized and extensively scrutinized to find faults. The Chinese are never as distant from communism as they are now.

Post: #15137

Your take is a bit naive Liberty Sea, I'd invite you to do some more research. Mao is a Skull and Bones product, he was funded by the Rothschilds. Look up Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, they were respectively Mao's banker and ideology guru. The globalists supported Mao against Chiang Kai-shek for the same reasons they backed the Bolsheviks in Russia, they wanted to wipe out their tradtional culture and build up a slave society from a clean slate, importing the ideals that they've set forth in the 18th century by people like Babeuf or Weishaupt. Oligarchs like the Rockefellers, Desmarais and the Rothschilds own a good chunk of the China action - look up CITIC.

Post: #15138

(06-30-2017 11:35 AM)911 Wrote:  Your take is a bit naive Liberty Sea, I'd invite you to do some more research. Mao is a Skull and Bones product, he was funded by the Rothschilds. Look up Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, they were respectively Mao's banker and ideology guru. The globalists supported Mao against Chiang Kai-shek for the same reasons they backed the Bolsheviks in Russia, they wanted to wipe out their tradtional culture and build up a slave society from a clean slate, importing the ideals that they've set forth in the 18th century by people like Babeuf or Weishaupt. Oligarchs like the Rockefellers, Desmarais and the Rothschilds own a good chunk of the China action - look up CITIC.

It's quite funny.

Every time.

Each and every time there is war and strife and social upheaval. It never fails.

Never.

We can keep going on about globalists and such euphemisms. It is almost taken on a religious point of view. It's like the serf singing to the whip of his master, not even able to imagine a world without the sting.

How much?

90% of all wars and revolutions?

50%?

25%?

How much is too much?

Post: #15139

(06-30-2017 11:35 AM)911 Wrote:  Your take is a bit naive Liberty Sea, I'd invite you to do some more research. Mao is a Skull and Bones product, he was funded by the Rothschilds. Look up Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, they were respectively Mao's banker and ideology guru. The globalists supported Mao against Chiang Kai-shek for the same reasons they backed the Bolsheviks in Russia, they wanted to wipe out their tradtional culture and build up a slave society from a clean slate, importing the ideals that they've set forth in the 18th century by people like Babeuf or Weishaupt. Oligarchs like the Rockefellers, Desmarais and the Rothschilds own a good chunk of the China action - look up CITIC.

Supposing that Mao did have a connection with the Jews, how do we know that Mao was not just using them? Mutually exploiting each other? Why must we suppose that Mao was a puppet, a sincere obedient student of, say, Shapiro? Mao is crafty son of a bitch and had the ability to move people like nobody else. He also thirsted for unlimited power. I studied Mao (especially his personality) closely and simply do not buy the idea that he would accept being anyone's inferior.

Also, Mao took great risk to build nuclear weapon at a time China was extremely poor and backward to secure China's independence against nuclear powers. The project was mostly carried on by oversea Chinese scientists upon call of patriotic duty (I don't see much globalist backing here) for meagre pay. Mao also doubled Chinese population his reign and insisted on increasing the population (not much of a depopulation conspirator, isn't he?)

The CR was at least in part motivated by Mao's need to reassert power. Mao's Great Leap Forward failed astronomically. If he was following the instruction of the Great Wise Jewish Masters, why did he make such a mistake? The high-level party members denounced his policy. He power was diminished, so he launched to CR to purge opposing party members. He threatened to lead a peasant revolt against his own party. Deng Xiaoping opposed to the CR and was demoted, removed from politics. But his influence remained strong. After Mao died, Deng overthrew Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng, and overturned all of Mao's policies. The CR was far from being a CPC consensus, and the CPC is far from a monolithic entities. It has various factions within. Not even Mao came close to wielding absolute power within the party.Mao knew that after his death nobody can stop Deng and yet he couldn't do anything about it - Deng had the support of the generals. Even if the CR was a Jewish idea, how do Deng Xiaoping overturning it fit into the picture? Is he also a Jewish puppet?

Joseph Epstein was jailed by Zhou Enlai at some point. Zhou was a patriot and traditionalist who moderated Mao's extremism and did his part to reduce the destructive effect of the CR. Suppose that there is some Jewish conspiracy involved here, the Jews involved are far from being invincible and unopposed in China.

And China broke up with the USSR. They were both vying to be the leader of the communist sphere. How do that fit into the theory that both are Jewish puppets?

Considering China's current policies such as banning facebook and making classical Chinese compulsory in school, or being pro-Palestine, I simply don't think they plan on being Jewish puppets. Such policies make no sense under that thesis. You will be hard-pressed to find a sincere communist or Maoist in today China. It's a party of nearly 90 million members, and of the top leaders only a few are princelings. Many have modest background who rose to power through their own competence and Machiavellian cunning. It's impossible to control such a vast organization full of cunning foxes.

We should also do well to remember that the US has a significant Jewish diaspora population since its founding, while the current China has practically none, and is not planning to get any. China is not America. America is a nation of settlers and immigrants. People came to a new land to begin a new life, leaving old foundations behind, ready for anything new, new mindset, new ideology, new way of thinking, new identity. Much of Europeans also began as Germanic barbarian raiders and immigrants who accepted a civilization that used to be alien to them (from two sources: Greco-Roman civilization and Judeo-Christian religion). China is on the other hand a 5000 years old civilization. Their ethno-cultural identity is deep-rooted, deeply entrenched - especially when one lives in the soil of mainland China. Any foreign ideology ought to be sinicized enough to be accepted by the Chinese. This was true with with globalistic ideologies like Buddhism and Communism. They cannot come above the supremacy of Chinese identity.

The Chinese believe they're the smartest people in the world, inheritors of the most ancient civilization, a superpower at the center of the world (the middle kingdom) for thousands of years, compared to which ancient Israel was utterly insignificant. They're extremely arrogant. Why should they think they are inferior to the Jews and hence should follow the Jews' orders?

To quote our local Chinese expat (though he did exaggerate a bit):

(03-18-2017 09:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  Chinese government employees are not permitted to have any foreign contacts at all. I have some adult students who come to my class, but cannot exchange contact information with me because they work for the government. They probably aren't supposed to even be talking to me.

... There are many Chinese, who despite having horrific grammar, think their grammar is good because they can get all the questions right in their English textbook.

The thing about English textbooks in China is that they are written by Chinese people who are far from being fluent in English. They are uniformly full of mistakes. The idea of having a native speaker double-check the accuracy of a Chinese written English textbook has never occurred to any Chinese person anywhere.

They all operate from the understanding that Chinese people are far more intelligent than all non-Chinese and for matters concerning China or Chinese people in anyway, nothing of value can be learned from a foreigner, including English.

The only reason why native speakers are employed in China at all, is because they think that having a native-English speaking teacher is the only way to pick-up the correct pronunciation of words (and to show how rich you are, since not everyone can afford a white-faced teacher).

So while I don't rule out the possibility of Jewish involvement, I highly doubt that it is an one-sided relationship where the Chinese are the stooges. I would suppose that it's a trade deal. The Chinese are no less capable than the Jews as merchants. It's just that the Chinese empires in the past were too powerful for them to resort to landless Jewish tactics. Are we so accustomed to presuppose Jewish superiority? The Chinese size and average IQ mean that they should not have less top IQ minds than the Jews.

As a race the Chinese are by no means inferior to the Jews. The population size ensures that they have large genetic variety. Their share of Jew-like Chinese are no smaller than the Jewish population itself, and they also have other types, like military strategists, generals, warriors, engineers, and breeders. As a race they're far more fertile than the Jews. No race comes close to the size of the Han race. They're capable of absorbing very other race into their mass. As I said previously in the Trump China policy thread, if there is a race that can counter the Jewish race, it'd be the Han race. They've survived more massacres than the Jews can ever face.

The Chinese are using gene editing technology to improve their stocks, too. China is set to develop the first genetically enhanced 'superhumans'. The Chinese are racist and not bound to conventional Western morality. The ancient Chinese would stop at nothing to overthrow their lords and benefactors to gain power for themselves. With that in mind I've no reason to suppose a destined Jewish triumph and dominance over the Earth. Not even close.

When the US is out of the picture, what will stop the Chinese from nuking Israel? When they finally attain the strongest military, the most advanced technology, the best superhuman stock, why should they continue to listen to (if they ever did) or collaborate with the Jews? Do the Jews have supernatural mind control power or something?

BTW, robotics and automation are going to replace most of uncreative labor. Your concept of slavery will be radically changed. How will that fit into the globalist slave theory?

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p/s: Beijing is the most anti-gay world city. Shanghai and Hong Kong among the top
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/a...-community

Post: #15140

(06-30-2017 02:43 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 11:35 AM)911 Wrote:  Your take is a bit naive Liberty Sea, I'd invite you to do some more research. Mao is a Skull and Bones product, he was funded by the Rothschilds. Look up Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, they were respectively Mao's banker and ideology guru. The globalists supported Mao against Chiang Kai-shek for the same reasons they backed the Bolsheviks in Russia, they wanted to wipe out their tradtional culture and build up a slave society from a clean slate, importing the ideals that they've set forth in the 18th century by people like Babeuf or Weishaupt. Oligarchs like the Rockefellers, Desmarais and the Rothschilds own a good chunk of the China action - look up CITIC.

It's quite funny.

Every time.

Each and every time there is war and strife and social upheaval. It never fails.

Never.

We can keep going on about globalists and such euphemisms. It is almost taken on a religious point of view. It's like the serf singing to the whip of his master, not even able to imagine a world without the sting.

How much?

90% of all wars and revolutions?

50%?

25%?

How much is too much?

E. Michael Jones would place it closer to 90%, he's your man, nomad. One of the sharpest minds out there, former Notre Dame faculty member who got driven out of academia.

Post: #15141

(06-29-2017 05:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 05:15 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:23 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  It's interesting, Czech and Poland definitely identify as Western Europeans and do not want to join the Russian sphere of influence, so then they should probably be prepared for mass influx of Germans in particular these coming decades who flee the muslim scourge. Might be just the thing these countries need to fully gain level economically with the rest of Europe.

I dont know about Poles but I dont see the Czechs being much more welcoming to Germans than they are to muzzies. Germans are, well,... not Czech either

Nah - Germans are highly valued. There is only some beef with the very old generations who experienced war and a few who are against anyone not Czech.

Neither the Poles nor Czech would protest if 1 mio. Germans moved there - they would not even raise a fuss over Ukrainians. They know exactly what they would get with the current migrant brood.

Many Germans move now to Hungary and they are warmly welcome there. They are not going to rape and kill them.

The Czechs Ive spoken to dont really care for Germans. Admittedly all Ive got to go on is anecdotal impressions having just spent significant time there over the last two years (my GF is Czech...and yes...a smoking hottie) and from numerous conversations but I do know that they are fiercely nationalistic (the main reason Pres. Zeman is so popular) Id wager that while they dont currently harbor any open hostility for Germans that would change if they started migrating en-masse because of the muzzies. There's already a fairly open disgust to what theyve let happen in their own Deutschland.

As far as the Ukrainians there seems to be a more open disdain as they are the ones that take all the shit jobs (like Poles in Scandinavia and Mexicans in N America)

I dont think the Czechs would welcome any large scale xeno-group with open arms. I hope not any way...Im digging the place just like it is

Post: #15142

(06-30-2017 04:59 PM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 11:35 AM)911 Wrote:  Your take is a bit naive Liberty Sea, I'd invite you to do some more research. Mao is a Skull and Bones product, he was funded by the Rothschilds. Look up Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, they were respectively Mao's banker and ideology guru. The globalists supported Mao against Chiang Kai-shek for the same reasons they backed the Bolsheviks in Russia, they wanted to wipe out their tradtional culture and build up a slave society from a clean slate, importing the ideals that they've set forth in the 18th century by people like Babeuf or Weishaupt. Oligarchs like the Rockefellers, Desmarais and the Rothschilds own a good chunk of the China action - look up CITIC.

Supposing that Mao did have a connection with the Jews, how do we know that Mao was not just using them? Mutually exploiting each other? Why must we suppose that Mao was a puppet, a sincere obedient student of, say, Shapiro? Mao is crafty son of a bitch and had the ability to move people like nobody else. He also thirsted for unlimited power. I studied Mao (especially his personality) closely and simply do not buy the idea that he would accept being anyone's inferior.

The CR was at least in part motivated by Mao's need to reassert power. Mao's Great Leap Forward failed astronomically. If he was following the instruction of the Great Wise Jewish Masters, why did he make such a mistake? The high-level party members denounced his policy. He power was diminished, so he launched to CR to purge opposing party members. He threatened to lead a peasant revolt against his own party. Deng Xiaoping opposed to the CR and was demoted, removed from politics. But his influence remained strong. After Mao died, Deng overthrew Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng, and overturned all of Mao's policies. The CR was far from being a CPC consensus, and the CPC is far from a monolithic entities. It has various factions within. Not even Mao came close to wielding absolute power within the party.Mao knew that after his death nobody can stop Deng and yet he couldn't do anything about it - Deng had the support of the generals. Even if the CR was a Jewish idea, how do Deng Xiaoping overturning it fit into the picture? Is he also a Jewish puppet?

Joseph Epstein was jailed by Zhou Enlai at some point. Zhou was a patriot and traditionalist who moderated Mao's extremism and did his part to reduce the destructive effect of the CR. Suppose that there is some Jewish conspiracy involved here, the Jews involved are far from being invincible and unopposed in China.

And China broke up with the USSR. They were both vying to be the leader of the communist sphere. How do that fit into the theory that both are Jewish puppets?

Considering China's current policies such as banning facebook and making classical Chinese compulsory in school, or being pro-Palestine, I simply don't think they plan on being Jewish puppets. Such policies make no sense under that thesis. You will be hard-pressed to find a sincere communist or Maoist in today China. It's a party of nearly 90 million members, and of the top leaders only a few are princelings. Many have modest background who rose to power through their own competence and Machiavellian cunning. It's impossible to control such a vast organization full of cunning foxes.

The Chinese believe they're the smartest people in the world, inheritors of the most ancient civilization, a superpower at the center of the world (the middle kingdom). They're extremely arrogant. Why should they think they are inferior to the Jews and hence should follow the Jews' orders?

To quote our local Chinese expat (though he did exaggerate a bit):

(03-18-2017 09:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  Chinese government employees are not permitted to have any foreign contacts at all. I have some adult students who come to my class, but cannot exchange contact information with me because they work for the government. They probably aren't supposed to even be talking to me.

... There are many Chinese, who despite having horrific grammar, think their grammar is good because they can get all the questions right in their English textbook.

The thing about English textbooks in China is that they are written by Chinese people who are far from being fluent in English. They are uniformly full of mistakes. The idea of having a native speaker double-check the accuracy of a Chinese written English textbook has never occurred to any Chinese person anywhere.

They all operate from the understanding that Chinese people are far more intelligent than all non-Chinese and for matters concerning China or Chinese people in anyway, nothing of value can be learned from a foreigner, including English.

The only reason why native speakers are employed in China at all, is because they think that having a native-English speaking teacher is the only way to pick-up the correct pronunciation of words (and to show how rich you are, since not everyone can afford a white-faced teacher).

So while I don't rule out the possibility of Jewish involvement, I highly doubt that it is an one-sided relationship where the Chinese are the stooges. I would suppose that it's a trade deal. The Chinese are no less capable than the Jews as merchants. It's just that the Chinese empires in the past were too powerful for them to resort to landless Jewish tactics. Are we so accustomed to presuppose Jewish superiority? The Chinese size and average IQ mean that they should not have less top IQ minds than the Jews.

As a race the Chinese are by no means inferior to the Jews. The population size ensures that they have large genetic variety. Their share of Jew-like Chinese are no smaller than the Jewish population itself, and they also have other types, like military strategists, generals, warriors, engineers, and breeders. As a race they're far more fertile than the Jews. No race comes close to the size of the Han race. They're capable of absorbing very other race into their mass. As I said previously in the Trump China policy thread, if there is a race that can counter the Jewish race, it'd be the Han race. They've survived more massacres than the Jews can ever face.

The Chinese are using gene editing technology to improve their stocks, too. China is set to develop the first genetically enhanced 'superhumans'. The Chinese are racist and not bound to conventional Western morality. The ancient Chinese would stop at nothing to overthrow their lords and benefactors to gain power for themselves. With that in mind I've no reason to suppose a destined Jewish triumph and dominance over the Earth. Not even close.

When the US is out of the picture, what will stop the Chinese from nuking Israel? When they finally attain the strongest military, the most advanced technology, the best superhuman stock, why should they continue to listen to (if they ever did) or collaborate with the Jews? Do the Jews have supernatural mind control power or something?

BTW, robotics and automation are going to replace most of uncreative labor. Your concept of slavery will be radically changed. How will that fit into the globalist slave theory?

A lot of material to address there Liberty, a few quick points:

- You're using "the Chinese" to refer to those that rule China, would you use "the Americans" to refer to a Clinton government, or "the Germans" to refer to Merkel's? They do have their oligarch CPC apparatchiks. It's not "the Chinese" vs "the Jews" here...

- "I studied Mao (especially his personality) closely"
>95% of biography and mainstream academic history don't understand or will not address the deeper structure of power.

- "Mao's Great Leap Forward failed astronomically"
You're looking at the purge of 50 million plus poor chinese people as a failure, but viewed from the oligarchs who backed his regime, it was a marvelous success.

JD Rockefeller: " Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded… in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive….The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose… The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in history.”

-"After Mao died, Deng overthrew Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng, and overturned all of Mao's policies. The CR was far from being a CPC consensus, and the CPC is far from a monolithic entities. It has various factions within. Not even Mao came close to wielding absolute power within the party.Mao knew that after his death nobody can stop Deng and yet he couldn't do anything about it - Deng had the support of the generals. Even if the CR was a Jewish idea, how do Deng Xiaoping overturning it fit into the picture? Is he also a Jewish puppet?"

as Zel pointed out above, there was a change of program with the globalists divesting from the American/western middle classes (whom they don't trust) and riding the Chinese industrial bandwagon, they've invested in it and set up the global regulatory framework to make its rise inevitable.

-"And China broke up with the USSR. They were both vying to be the leader of the communist sphere. How do that fit into the theory that both are Jewish puppets?"

Stalin started going off the script in the 1950s, he might have been poisoned. Globalists like Armand Hammer and the Koch brothers, along with bankers were still propping the Soviets as a western counterpoint and a useful threat before they cratered it and robbed it clean with Yeltsin in power. Throughout the Soviet era, these globalists boosted both the Soviets and red China plenty of western technology, goods and funds (Lend Lease Program).

Read C. Quigley, Anthony Sutton and especially major George Jordan:

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(06-30-2017 06:37 PM)911 Wrote:  - You're using "the Chinese" to refer to those that rule China, would you use "the Americans" to refer to a Clinton government, or "the Germans" to refer to Merkel's? They do have their oligarch CPC apparatchiks. It's not "the Chinese" vs "the Jews" here...

I see Chinese leaders since Deng as thinking of themselves as (Han) Chinese.This identity is central to them. I don't see their policy as anything but acting in China/the Han race's interest while maintaining their own.

You can't see importing MENA refugees as acting in Germany's interest. China has no equivalent of suicidal policy since Deng as far as I'm aware.

And why do you assume that one group of oligarches (pure ethnic Chinese) are servile and loyal to another (Jewish oligarches)?

Quote:>95% of biography and mainstream academic history don't understand or will not address the deeper structure of power.

Based on recorded events we can make inference about Mao's character trait.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Mao, Deng, Xi were servile to their Jewish masters, though. With reliable, verifiable document, of course.

Quote:- "Mao's Great Leap Forward failed astronomically"
You're looking at the purge of 50 million plus poor chinese people as a failure, but viewed from the oligarchs who backed his regime, it was a marvelous success.

JD Rockefeller: " Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded… in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive….The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose… The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in history.”

Whatever he was referring to it's not the Great Leap Forward. China managed to grow its economy during Mao's reign despite the GLF, not because of it. It's not even a social experiment, but an industrial one. It was not designed to purge anyone. It's ridiculous to purge some random powerless peasants among hundred of millions of peasants. People died because they couldn't find food, due to natural disaster and failed policy. What's the point, lol? Remember that Mao's objective was to increase the Chinese population (by rewarding ration to families who bear more children), effectively creating more peasants, not reducing it. Population doubled to 800 million during his reign.

He's just making a contrived praise. Whatever the effects of the Mao policies are, they have been wearing off. Go to China and see how wonderful their community spirit is. They feel pride about being Chinese, but they wouldn't give a fuck if you die on the street. Pretty sure when was talking about the singleness of purpose he wasn't talking that everyone is out to get money and compete with each other for job, resources and status.

Quote:as Zel pointed out above, there was a change of program with the globalists divesting from the American/western middle classes (whom they don't trust) and riding the Chinese industrial bandwagon, they've invested in it and set up the global regulatory framework to make its rise inevitable.

Most of the early investment on PRC post-opening was from ethnic Chinese of Hong Kong and Taiwan. Western capitalists started investing much later on when it has become obvious that China was booming and it'd be hugely profitable to invest.

Quote:Stalin started going off the script in the 1950s, he might have been poisoned.

Yeah, and of all of the members of the Chinese poliburo standing committee, nobody went off the supposed script? Like banning Facebook, being pro-Palestine, rebuilding temples, reviving old traditions, making Classic Chinese a compulsory subject, making Chinese citizenship prohibitive to non ethnic Chinese? How do all that fit into the script?

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(06-30-2017 07:36 PM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 06:37 PM)911 Wrote:  - You're using "the Chinese" to refer to those that rule China, would you use "the Americans" to refer to a Clinton government, or "the Germans" to refer to Merkel's? They do have their oligarch CPC apparatchiks. It's not "the Chinese" vs "the Jews" here...

I see Chinese leaders since Deng as thinking of themselves as (Han) Chinese. This identity is central to them. I don't see their policy as anything but acting in China/the Han race's interest while maintaining their own.

And why do you assume that one group of oligarches (pure ethnic Chinese) are servile and loyal to another (Jewish oligarches)?

One thing I have been curious about the Globalist-ruled China conspiracy is this.

Since Deng the Chinese ruling elites have been implicitly but loudly telling their citizens that the Han race is superior and they should feel enraged about being humiliated by Japanese and White barbarians.

And yet the Chinese ruling elites themselves don't think that the Han race is superior? They are supposed to believe that they who belong to a race that reigned supreme in half of Asia for thousands of years, to the only continuous/coherent civilization in the world, the Mother Culture of East Asia dating back 5000 years - should feel inferior and bow down to the descendants of a bunch of Middle East vagabonds and misfits?

How did the Jews convince the Chinese elites of that anyway? The Jewish oligarches are racial supremacists but somehow the Chinese ruling elites are not?

Unlike Merkel whose national identity was crushed since WWII, whose national past was not particularly glorious, the Chinese literally have every reason to feel that they're superior. The Han Chinese identity is central to them because it confers them with a sense of superiority. It's a basic human need and it's particularly strong with the Chinese, who for thousands of years have been accustomed to believe that they were the center of the world, the only civilized Volk while everyone else were barbarians (Hua-Yi distinction). Chinese nationalism is all about the need to feel superior to others, and less about community spirit.

As I said before, the only kind of globalism the Chinese will accept is one in which everyone is sinicized, in which Chinese identity reigns supreme. They have absolutely no reason to accept a world order in which the Jews are superior to everyone.

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(06-30-2017 07:36 PM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  I see Chinese leaders since Deng as thinking of themselves as (Han) Chinese.This identity is central to them. I don't see their policy as anything but acting in China/the Han race's interest while maintaining their own.

You can't see importing MENA refugees as acting in Germany's interest. China has no equivalent of suicidal policy since Deng as far as I'm aware.

And why do you assume that one group of oligarches (pure ethnic Chinese) are servile and loyal to another (Jewish oligarches)?

The globalists aren't worried about the Chinese, and don't bother with diluting their race. They're worried about their numbers though, and the 1 child, 60-40 M/F setup takes care of this.

Their oligarchs aren't necessarily servile to the globalist oligarchs, their interests are aligned and think alike. Back until the 70s the chinese system was dependent on foreign capital injection and technology transfer, just as the Soviets were.

Quote:Based on recorded events we can make inference about Mao's character trait.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Mao, Deng, Xi were servile to their Jewish masters, though. With reliable, verifiable document, of course.

Let's start with the basics. Are you even familiar of Mao's Yale/Skull and Bones roots? or of the fact that the anglo-american elites' wealth was built on the Chinese opium trade, which financed the Ivies? The power structure and local networks were already in place well before the modern era, with trading posts, power circles and triads.

I can't really stretch your Overton window about modern Chinese history on a Friday night in a fast-scrolling thread on European migration. I've posted the video with major Jordan's speech above to help you understand that the narrative about communist blocks is far from the true nature of global politics. Studying this aspect of history and how it deeply contradicts everything we've been told about the Soviet era would be a very good start towards seeing the light.

Quote:Whatever he was referring to it's not the Great Leap Forward. China managed to grow its economy during Mao's reign despite the GLF, not because of it. It's not even a social experiment, but an industrial one. It was not designed to purge anyone. It's ridiculous to purge some random powerless peasants among hundred of millions of peasants. People died because they couldn't find food, due to natural disaster and failed policy. What's the point, lol?

He's just making a contrived praise. Whatever the effects of the Mao policies are, they have been wearing off. Go to China and see how wonderful their community spirit is. They feel pride about being Chinese, but they wouldn't give a fuck if you die on the street. Pretty sure when was talking about the singleness of purpose he wasn't talking that everyone is out to get money and compete with each other for job, resources and status.

By "community spirit", Rockefeller is using a more palatable term for communism, which he views as a great way to crush and control the masses, and thus is to him an ideal society.

As to the bold part above, do you also believe that the Khmer or Bolsheviks also did not starve their people by design? You believe that Mao's communist utopia was any different?

Quote:Most of the early investment on PRC post-opening was from ethnic Chinese of Hong Kong and Taiwan. Western capitalists started investing much later on when it has become obvious that China was booming and it'd be hugely profitable to invest.

The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Desmarais were already there right from the start, the more visible part of their presence was Kissinger, who set up the new shift towards China as the world's factory.

Look up CITIC, its assets under management are the size of Germany's entire GDP. Guess who founded that group back in the 1980s...

Quote:Yeah, and of all of the members of the Chinese poliburo standing committee, nobody went off the supposed script? Like banning Facebook, being pro-Palestine, rebuilding temples, reviving old traditions, making Classic Chinese a compulsory subject, making Chinese citizenship prohibitive to non ethnic Chinese? How do all that fit into the script?

The script here is not what you have in mind, a nationalist, somewhat aggressive China is good for the global military business. They're only pro-Palestine in lip service, they're deep in the arms trade with Israel, which provides them with US military technology. And at the individual level, you have a generation of self-centered one-child low-marriage people who make perfect consumers. Pushing nationalist values is a good way for their elite to legitimize themselves.

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911, a few things.

As I said before, I wasn't ruling out the possibility of some kind of Jewish influence (though I'm not convinced that it's a major influence or larger than ethnic Chinese FDI from Hong Kong, Taiwan and other Chinese disapora) in China. My point was that the Chinese (elites) are far from being servile to the Jews or anyone and there is no guarantee when they get strong they won't eliminate the Jews. I remain convinced that the Chinese elites believe themselves to be racially superior to the Jews or anyone else for that matter, and won't accept a Jews-led world order.

I'm aware of speculations about Mao's tie with Skulls and Bones and all, but I don't see how they proves that Mao was a loyal puppet to the S&B, or disproves the possibility that Mao was just using them to advance himself and accumulate power for himself.

About the gender ratio, China has 33 million more men than women. It's nowhere near the 6:4 ratio. There are tens of million of children, especially girls, who were unregistered. China has also trafficked girls from elsewhere to meet male need. The one-child policy was useful at a certain point because it'd be harmful for China's economy if the population is too big for their economic capacity. It was lifted recently and the Chinese has been taking measures to increase birth rates. Though it has some miscalculation along the path, I don't see it as a deliberate attempt by the Chinese elites to limit the development of the Han race.

So far I remain unconvinced that the Chinese elites put anyone else's interest above their very own, as individuals, as members of their clans, and as 'racially superior Hans'.

As this discussion is pretty off-topic, I'd like to end it here. I keep my view and will discuss further when there's an opportunity.

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(06-30-2017 04:23 AM)reciproke Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 04:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 04:32 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Identitarian movement bought a ship!

Yeah - as much as you can appreciate their efforts, only those kind of boats are going to change things:

Imagine you can assume control of a Western country for 30 days, but you can only choose one of the following areas of control:

1) Controlling the Military, Police and Border Guards or
2) Controlling the Media Apparatus

You might tend to pick option 1, so you can close the borders and deport illegal immigrants. But after 30 days everything will go back to normal and people still will condemn you, because the Media is portraying you negatively.

The guys from Defend Europe are aware that politically these individual actions won't matter too much. But that's not their goal, at least at first: The most important goal is to challenge the metapolitical narrative. We have to be so daring that they can't ignore us. Strategically, they (Globalists and Media) are in a worse position, because they play now by our rules and have to react how we want. It's similar to Trump's strategy of playing the media. This is how we will gain traction, step by step. A good analogy would be the story of Robin Hood. His actions were politically and militarily not significant. But he challenged the establishment and became mythological. He gained the trust and support of the populace.

Action like these stretch the Overton Window. And we have a lot of impressive actions planned for the future. Our numbers are constantly growing. Regardless if you believe in a political situation or not, there are always Thermopyles to die at gloriously. Sticking with a fitting analogy: The ship of the Western Civilization might be sinking, but I personally don't try to fill the holes. I try to rescue as many like minded people as possible. They will be desperately needed in those dark times times that lie ahead.

And our girls are the prettiest, too. Most do not talk about this.

I would take the police and the military, and in 30 days there would be no media.

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Liberty Sea - you cannot debate 911, because you are essentially discussing two different reality levels.

Yours LS - it is ending with the official history accounts with only some marginal embellishments.

911 has dug deeper and found similarly to me that a lot of taught history is just plain superficial bullshit.

Your quote at the bottom of "they" not being able to control one governor from Ohio tells it all. You espouse the random walk down history theory that is taught in mainstream history. The gist is that it is just corruption, contrary interests, shit happens, everyone is bumbling along, Communism was real, there was no collusion, money is created by the governments, usury is no problem, medicine is for the people just corrupt, education and the media is also for the people just corrupt etc.

If you espouse that worldview, then you never go beyond that. 911 has put out some links and you would have to first assess those sources - the very basic ones like Quigley, Sutton, Reece Commission on foundations in the 1950s, also Major Jordan (there were other US military leaders who came out on those topics which clearly support the claims made by Sutton and Quigley). Then after you have collected the info you make an educated guess which claim makes more sense regarding the reality of our world - the mainstream one or the alternative one. Otherwise the discussion is useless since we know your side, but you don't know our side. You cannot refute our side without having gone through our data.

If you don't want to do that, then it is fine, but then don't go out on a limb claiming that the Huffpo view of history is undoubtedly true. And I don't want to be condescending here, because there are certainly smarter people than me out there who simply have not looked at the issues. I get that - I was like that a few years ago as well.

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As much as I'd like to end the discussion in the previous post

(07-01-2017 04:17 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  If you don't want to do that, then it is fine, but then don't go out on a limb claiming that the Huffpo view of history is undoubtedly true. And I don't want to be condescending here, because there are certainly smarter people than me out there who simply have not looked at the issues. I get that - I was like that a few years ago as well.

I think it's not a good practice to tell it all about me based on my sig though. My post history actually shows that I'm not closed to the possibility of some sort of Jewish influence and... conspiracy.

I dug up a bit on CITIC. My educated guess would be that American oligarches did play a role in China's development. They probably had political agenda, too. The reason I said that it wasn't exactly major or larger than ethnic Chinese influence is because the data I'm aware of still shows that most FDI in China came from ethnic Chinese outside of mainland China, and Asians.


source: http://www.china-profile.com/data/fig_fdi_3.htm

Am I supposed to believe that just because Rong Yiren met and dealt with Rockefeller, it must mean that Deng Xiaoping must be a Rockefeller's puppet, or that just because Mao has root in Yale in China, it must mean that he is totally controlled ad not someone who seeks power for his own (Mao - The Unknown Story, by Jung Chang&Jon Halliday) by exploiting globalist assistance, or that the power struggle between Mao faction and Deng faction were all planned by globalists?

Another claim that seemed ridiculous to me is that the globalists divested from the American/Western middle-class to the Chinese because they can't trust the Americans/Westerners. If you know anything about the Chinese, your conclusion would be that you can't trust the Chinese.

Whether China developed entirely on its own or not is not my central thesis. My central thesis is that there is no reason to believe that the Chinese will seek serve Jewish interest above or equal to their own just because they co-operate with globalist power on some level. I don't believe that they would make their race into slaves for Jewish masters - if only out of their belief in Chinese superiority/supremacy. I have not come upon any documents that would challenge this view.

Now, would anyone kindly explain to me why globalist stooge Xi Jinping would refuse to let Jewish-globalist oligarch Mark Zuckerberg's facebook get into China despite Mark trying so hard by marrying a Chinese and learning mandarin and asking Xi to name his daughter and shit?

Post: #15150

Hey LibertySea, 911, et al.: Can we keep the China debate out of this thread please? It's starting to drown out posts related to the actual thread's theme. Perhaps start your own thread? ;-)