Post: #101

(06-23-2017 12:22 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  OPs messages are pretty inconsistent. Have seen him to claim to "only" bang 9s and 10s in Japan (or maybe it was 8s and 9s but you get the point), claim he was some "master PUA" on some other forum (whatever that means), etc and now is posting in the "Newbie Section" about having oneitis over a hooker

Insightful post. Yep, it is curious how someone can apparantly have enough pickup skill to "average 2-3 bangs/week... mostly 7-9 range" (source)... yet still be unwilling to consider the immense problems of investing in a whore. In retrospect I gotta give credit to UlteriorMotive and Off The Reservation, a master of perception, for calling it in September last year;

(09-01-2016 03:28 PM)UlteriorMotive Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 11:49 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Downside of parties is girls are mostly 7-8 range. I had one 9. She barely spoke English. Most I wouldn't bang again nor approach on the street. But hey they spoke English and practically showed up on my doorstep.

(06-23-2017 12:22 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  IMO you shouldn't be allowed to post or at least give advice or talk authoritatively in any manner without proving that you get laid. But alas it's the internet and if what I said was the case, this forum (and all like it) would be awfully quiet

This kind of prerequisite would definitely lead to a higher standard of game advice. Back when my local, private pickup groups were active, real-life friendships formed the backbone of these tight-knit communities and 'mental masturbation' was strongly discouraged. This referred to:

• Keyboard jockeying - namely, spending a lot of time writing about pickup rather than actually doing it,
• Wholly-speculative theorizing - e.g: "Here's my new routine, haven't tried it yet but you can use it bruv, it's gonna be killer",
• Premature generalizations - "I banged 2 Danish girls and they were both easy, so all Danish women are hoes", and,
• The classic, overstated bragging - saying you banged a 9 when she was more like a 7 with makeup on.

While those forums generally lacked the theory-driven discussions inherent in the political/sociological aspects of this board, there is a helpful lesson here for all contributors at RVF - no matter your topic of choice, write what you know.

Although it is unfeasible to manage a large, public forum with such strict controls, thankfully RVF has a great rep system that allows you to see who has been verified in person. Beyond someone's post count and reps given for contributions online, it's those offline connections that really establish a poster's credibility. Teedub puts it bluntly in his signature, "If you've never met a forum member - I'll assume you're lying", while Birthday Cat notes:

(06-12-2017 01:48 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  Here is a tip for new guys. When guys are giving game advice - click on their rep points and see how many RVF guys they've met. There is a very clear correlation between bad advice and guys who haven't met anyone.

I'm not saying that a guy who has met a lot of RVF guys will always give good advice. There is still bad advice, guys who over-estimate their knowledge, guys who exaggerate their success, etc. However, there is some accountability and guys who have met several RVF guys are much less likely to give bad advice or give advice that is based solely on their very limited experience.

This theme of networking flows into another point:

(06-20-2017 10:30 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Not blaming RVF. Just pointing out that I made a thread about how it can be isolating traveling internationally fulltime. It's hard to connect with like minded people. Maybe I should get a travel buddy to try the baller lifestyle blah blah. The responses were to keep traveling alone but try to contribute more on data sheets and connect with other members.

Something to consider is that Travel Museums was registered here for almost a year and had reportedly been travelling the entire time. In response to his thread 'Travel Alone or Find a Wing?' I wrote a how-to guide for meeting RVF members. It is difficult to imagine being on the road for an entire year, and even with a modest effort, find it "hard to connect with like minded people". If you're stuck in a small town for financial or other reasons then it can be difficult to engage with men's/pickup groups, hence the particular beauty of these forums for men who are more isolated. However, if you're in a mid-sized city or even better if you're globe-trotting, there are plenty of opportunities to make real-life friends. Just look at the rep sheets of guys like Vinny, Linux, Dantes, Irish, Bushido, Gmac, Tokyo Joe and others to see what is possible here.

Last, what really caught my eye about Travel Museums was that his decade-long travels had reportedly been funded through, among other things, a location-independent business. If true, this is a fantastic achievement. With this in mind I just think, above all else, it's a shame that his potential for connecting and adding value here (e.g., through sharing travel journals and especially intel on online business creation) was submerged under the weight of his stubborn fixation on a gold-digger. Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Post: #102

^

If there was a title for best new member I think Dream Medicine deserves it by far.

Post: #103

Comte De St. Germain,

Thank you for the kind words. I am really passionate about building a brotherhood and your encouragement helps motivate me to keep contributing and connecting here.

Looking at your rep sheet, I can see that you are highly regarded in the real world by a wide range of members, including top-notch contributors such as SamuelBRoberts, Kaotic, Moma, Isaac Jordan, TravelerKai and many more. You get my respect and I hope to meet up one day.



Cheers mate!

Post: #104

I agree that Dream Medicine is probably the best new member but please don't include me in anything else involving the crucifixion of Travel Museums.

There is no doubt that Travel Museums made some mistakes but in my opinion the way you guys are piling on that guy is inconsistent with what I've seen with other guys.

This forum let's guys get away with a lot before they get called out. Travel Museums had a unique perspective on things and added value to the forum. No doubt that he should have handled this better but I've seen plenty of guys get away with a lot more bullshit and not get the hate that Travel Museums is getting.

(06-20-2017 09:53 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  ...
I would have appreciated a little more understanding for the context. I'm not in disregard of opinions and advice given. This was a good lesson in a lot of ways. Thank you gentleman.
...

The thread probably should have ended after that post. There are several comments after that coming from guys who are either no-rep newbies or guys who have supported forum members who were banned (multiple times) for consistent asshole behavior.

And there is some exaggeration. A lot of talk about Travel Museums lifestyle and first-class flights but he has said that he lives on a modest $2k per month budget and flies for free but has to fly standby.

A million comments about the girl being a gold-digging whore. She had a sponsor. Most girls in that region who speak a little broken english have several sponsors. There are 5s over there that don't have to work because they have multiple sponsors. I agree that she isn't a girl for an LTR but I know some of the gold-digging whore comments are coming from guys who have never banged a legitimate 8 and are clueless about the culture of sponsorship and p4p over there.

Post: #105

Birthday Cat, a fault of yours is that you are contrarian, almost to a fault. You are a smart motherfucker, no doubt about that, but see how even a guy like Dream can even pull one of your old quotes like that to destroy whatever semblance of a point that you had? You don't even post very much. You should have a decent enough recollection of what you posted before not to contradict yourself like that.

I even looked at the rep point you gave to Travel Museums and followed the link. Not only was that post atrociously written for the textspeak and terrible grammar (which he should have been warned or temp banned for), but I had a very hard time understanding why that mediocre post would be something you thought was valuable enough to defend this guy over. Then again, as nice of a poster you are, you hardly post, so therefore, we know very little about you in general to get a feel for how you roll.

Maybe you repped him too fast. Lord knows I have done that several times here and I am much more cautious of that since a few forum battles that happened as a result.

Either way, don't take it as a diss on you, just an observation that's all.

Post: #106

(06-23-2017 10:14 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  I agree that Dream Medicine is probably the best new member but please don't include me in anything else involving the crucifixion of Travel Museums.

There is no doubt that Travel Museums made some mistakes but in my opinion the way you guys are piling on that guy is inconsistent with what I've seen with other guys.

This forum let's guys get away with a lot before they get called out. Travel Museums had a unique perspective on things and added value to the forum. No doubt that he should have handled this better but I've seen plenty of guys get away with a lot more bullshit and not get the hate that Travel Museums is getting.

(06-20-2017 09:53 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  ...
I would have appreciated a little more understanding for the context. I'm not in disregard of opinions and advice given. This was a good lesson in a lot of ways. Thank you gentleman.
...

He's not banned (and hopefully wont be) so there's no need to refer to him in the past tense. But he needs to stop asking the same question (in at least 3 different threads) again and again trying to gain "insight" (ie an answer that isn't "stop wasting your and our time asking about a whore that has another sponsor") into his "unique" situation. He's not going to get it because there isn't any to be had. It's not multiple mistakes as much as the same one over and over and over

I agree with DM... the guy has potential to add value (and after perusing some of his posts that aren't about about his oneitis with a Laotian hooknitch) he's quite capable

I also agree with TK. Id like to see you post more BC

Post: #107

(06-23-2017 12:53 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Birthday Cat, a fault of yours is that you are contrarian, almost to a fault. You are a smart motherfucker, no doubt about that, but see how even a guy like Dream can even pull one of your old quotes like that to destroy whatever semblance of a point that you had? You don't even post very much. You should have a decent enough recollection of what you posted before not to contradict yourself like that.

I even looked at the rep point you gave to Travel Museums and followed the link. Not only was that post atrociously written for the textspeak and terrible grammar (which he should have been warned or temp banned for), but I had a very hard time understanding why that mediocre post would be something you thought was valuable enough to defend this guy over. Then again, as nice of a poster you are, you hardly post, so therefore, we know very little about you in general to get a feel for how you roll.

Maybe you repped him too fast. Lord knows I have done that several times here and I am much more cautious of that since a few forum battles that happened as a result.

Either way, don't take it as a diss on you, just an observation that's all.

Thanks for the feedback. I don't take it as a diss and I agree with a lot of what you said.

Regarding my quote from another thread that DreamMedicine used in this thread - I don't think my quote is a contradiction to what I said in this thread. I didn't say that guys aren't capable of making great contributions to the forum if they don't have rep points or haven't met other members. DreamMedicine quoted part of my post but not all of it. That quote makes more sense if you consider the entire quote and the thread it was in. That situation involved no-rep guys being game denialists and using straw man arguments to prove their point. This situation is different.

However, I agree that I could have written that quote in a better way. I left some things open for interpretation and I can't fault people for having their own interpretations when I wasn't as specific as I could have been.

Travel Museums definitely earned the rep point I gave him which involves a situation I had discussed with the OP of the thread before the thread was created. It was my idea to start that thread and put it in the Travel section even though it was more a game topic. Travel Museums' comment was exactly why I suggested the Travel section because the perspective of an experienced traveler was needed. Many guys in the Game section wouldn't understand the OP's perspective and there are many guys who read the Travel section but don't read the Game section. Travel Museums understands some situations that other guys have difficulty relating to and there were multiple guys who really appreciated his long post in that thread. (I'm being vague about the other people involved in this because I don't want to drag anyone else into a conflict but TK is a smart guy and I'm sure he knows how to verify everything I've said if he wants to.)

I agree that I'm a contrarian to a fault. It's why I don't post that much. I prefer to be positive but I have a difficult time with not calling out inaccurate information or bullshit when I see it. There have been several times when I've avoided commenting about something in order to avoid drama. For example, I know of three recent situations with guys getting banned or called out hard and I didn't comment on those situations even though I probably had more information than some of the people involved. This relates to why I think some of the comments about Travel Museums are inconsistent with the way other situations have been handled. I've seen guys get away with a lot without getting the treatment that Travel Museums got.

Travel Museums definitely made some mistakes but he didn't deserve all the hate especially after he thanked everyone for their opinions and advice. He has contributed a lot to the forum and these recent issues with him are annoying but they aren't major problems.

Post: #108

(06-23-2017 08:33 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  ^

If there was a title for best new member I think Dream Medicine deserves it by far.

Dear Count, did he bear an unmistakable talisman?

Post: #109

@ Birthday Cat

My apologies if you feel that I took your quote out of context while being overly harsh on Travel Museums. Looking back I think I felt a bit frustrated that my advice on networking had been disregarded, even when offered as a solution to feeling isolated on the road, and this led to me posting in a more pessimistic tone than usual.

I agree with your post above and will keep your wishes in mind. I appreciate your maverick yet well-reasoned style and, put simply, you're one of my favourite posters. Hope to read more from you! What's more, you have been well-vetted in real life and as you know this is something I really respect. Last but not least - thanks for the kind words.

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@ Travel Museums

In recognizing your personal strengths and professional accomplishments, along with the value you have provided to this forum, I want to encourage you to keep contributing at RVF. I see potential for you to have a meaningful future here, especially when it comes to sharing highly-detailed travel stories, a candid look into the lifestyle of a digital nomad, and info on getting steady income online.

My advice would be for you to consider the benefit of (i) keeping any drama with this Lao chick to yourself for now, as you know the consensus here is that the juice really ain't worth the squeeze, (ii) recognizing that volunteer contributors are likely to stop helping out if they feel you are not really "listening", (iii) practicing acceptance of the unavoidable limitations of long-distance pair bonding, (iv) going easy on your pickup claims until you get vetted in person, and (v) making more use of the Meetups section. Let's get you connected!

Moving on, I doubt few people if anyone here could cast a shadow on the enviable lifestyle you have built for yourself, and therefore your potential to help others follow in your footsteps. Getting to the point where you can enjoy this nomadic way of life is no walk in the park and must have taken plenty of guts, determination and smarts. Indeed, it is clear that many members here place a high value on autonomy and see location-independence as a lofty goal worth striving for. The idea that you have enjoyed 10 years of traveling thanks to your ability to get paid online is an awesome achievement - and for that you get props from me.

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On the topic of Giving Feedback

There is no doubt that this forum needs informal quality control from volunteer members in order to maintain a high standard of posting. Roosh and other mods only have so much time on their hands so it is up to the readers to keep each other accountable if we are to keep building this powerhouse of knowledge. Considering our own limitations of time and energy, we also need to pick our own battles carefully (myself included).

When giving feedback, it can be helpful to think about offering (a) balanced encouragement rather than strict punishment, and (b) solution-focused alternatives over mere statements of the problem.

Empirical support

A number of scientific studies demonstrate the influence of positive affirmation, optimism, and mood on the processing and integration of health messages. The results have a number of implications not just for health practitioners but also for those looking to maintain the forum's strong signal-to-noise ratio.

Das and colleagues Wrote:Persuading individuals to change undesirable behaviour or to adopt healthier habits through health communication is a challenge. As health messages usually contain threatening evidence that unhealthy lifestyles are associated with serious health consequences, they present receivers with a dilemma. On the one hand, this information is important to make better choices, which can lead to benefits in the long run. On the other hand, threatening health messages confront individuals with the harmful consequences of their behaviour. This confrontation may trigger negative emotions such as fear, anxiety or irritation and constitute a threat to the self-concept (Steele, 1988). The unpleasant content of threatening health messages is therefore often met with resistance.

In response to this concern, Das and colleagues theorized that a positive mood would assist smokers by providing resources to process health messages, notably an enhanced ability to handle short-term negative consequences of a message such as a threat to self-esteem. Their main conclusion was that "positive mood decreased defensive processing of self-relevant health information"
(source).

Implications

The results of this study, along with similar research on behaviour modification, suggest that if you want to help someone make a positive change of mind or action, it can be helpful to:

A. Use humour and other things that can improve mood - make them feel good
B. Recognize their strengths and contributions
C. Offer some actionable solutions, including optimistic re-framing and a clear rationale for your suggestions *
D. In short, make them feel empowered **

(Disclaimer: Under certain conditions, behaviour change is best achieved through enhancing the perception of possible loss, because for instance, "positive mood may cause optimistic bias when it comes to personal health issues by lowering perceptions of personal risk" - Sar & Anghelcev, 2013. Also, while I try to give people a chance, it can be difficult if not impossible to help them if they don't wanna help themselves, and I don't feel that it's a good use of my time to invest in people who aren't invested in their own development.)

* For an example of a detailed, solution-focused approach, see here: 'Looking to buy a property in Chile'
** A final, personal note: thanks to Conscious Pirate, Leonard D Neubache and Off The Reservation for supporting me, especially offline.

Post: #110

Thanks for the positive feedback and constructive criticism. I've often heard RVF compared to an exclusive gentleman's club. Sometimes it doesn't feel that way. I expect the public spanking stuff. Mea culpa.

When I first started posting I was told to cut out text speak, etc. I've tried to toe the line. I also try not to be dismissive or hand people's ass to them for being candid about their life. Nor expect them to reveal highly personal details on their finances as proof.

A lot of people seem obsessed with the idea that a man can retire so young but not have unlimited money to burn. Or hear words like "investor" and think = rich snob. Or first class = bragging. That's not at all the way it works.

Read my posts. Please. Investing is a fucking grind. I had excel spreadsheet nightmares most of my teens and 20s. Yes I can make $200/day trading.

I have to sit in front of a computer (optimally 2-3 screens) all fucking day. I don't want that life anymore. I want the freedom to travel for prolonged periods of time to remote areas. And I'd like to have a decent chick with me so I'm not devoting half the time to pickup. There's not much info about this kind of lifestyle. Ive searched.

A datasheet on how I got to where I am would get personal quickly. It wouldn't help anyone anyway. I did work hard and leverage my assets.

But I got lucky. I like to think I won the GENETIC lottery (no I'm not bragging, nor talking about being attractive; I won't say exactly what I mean because it involves other people; if you think about certain industries you can probably figure it out). I was able to start working in a lucrative industry from a very young age and put that money away.

I STILL had to work my ass off in side jobs and every summer. And put everything away. And work my ass off for scholarships. I weathered two economic bubbles that dented my portfolio. I gravitated to passive investing and retired. Recently I got interested in crypto bc it is an ENTIRELY NEW asset class with unique characteristics that may prove compatible.

I joined the military and got a second degree in a "noble profession". Only to see once again the military-industrial complex has too many problems for my disposition. I can't be directly involved. I'm not passionate about it. I'm dispassionate about it. I'm cynical.

Listen, being a millionaire isn't shit. I'm not trying to belittle, but educate. $1.5-2 million income preservation with passive return is around $100,000/year minus taxes. That's MAYBE $75k. Exactly what I could get sitting in front of a computer screen. So why bother?

That's $200/day if you're not conservative. Maybe half that if you are. My life does not = vacation. I'm not balling and I never will. $2000/month isn't much but I make it work.

Yeah I could spend more but I'd rather not. Another economic downturn living in a van eating free samples is not something I want to do post 20s. That's my reality. Maybe one day I want a family. Then I'll spend it down and even go back to work. Meanwhile I'll be glad I traveled and saw as much as I could now.

I don't know why educated guys think there is some financial candyland where you can have zero trade-offs. Maybe if you're born rich? I wouldn't know jack shit about that.

I use the leverage of international arbitrage. Balance an expensive summer in a developed country with a cheap winter in a developing one. Make sacrifices on things like housing/food costs in order to make sure I'm not going by attractions and saying to myself it's not worth the admission bc my Airbnb is a whole apt. I flew all the way here. I'm going to see and do everything I can.

A 65-72 year old man at retirement can slowly draw down his principle investment over 20-30 years bc he will die soon. A young man has to be A LOT more careful.

Yet everyone wants to think "baller". Why do you think there are senior discounts and they are always going to buffets and free admission day stuff? A retired couple with millions is actually living on a fixed income.

The math does not change because you are younger. In fact it works towards the inverse. If there is a perk like airfare but it requires some flexibility you take it.

I tell people over and over. If you're passionate about your work and can tolerate the bullshit that goes with it then put in the sweat equity. Maybe you still fail. It's better than working a job you hate and realizing the American dream is busted.

1.5-2million USD for a retirement is "the American Dream". It can work, sometimes. It really takes TWO working adults to pull it off. Or at least comfortably do it. (Even if the wife doesn't work. She actually does work bc the domestic side of has real monetary value and is what allows hubby to get shit done.)

Certainly to do it in style two people is the gold standard. And even that's assuming said couple will mostly stick around one city. Most couples build equity in their housing costs by mortgaging a house instead of renting.

For a long time international traveler owning a house is a headache. Maybe some are lucky enough to have trusted family to manage things. I've considered living in foreign cities but the good ones kick you out every few months and come with other trade offs like horrendous pollution.

Or maybe you pair bond with a game-friendly chick who owns her own home, car, etc in a country with no taxes and warm winters. I thought people would read between the lines on this side of it (which is why I gave so much backstory). Usually when there is one kind of value in a situation but there is an undesirable trade off. We all make these trade offs daily whether we admit to them or not.

A lot of guys do understand this stuff. I've read the posts. They move to second tier (or lower) city where there is good work (or opportunity for growth) and housing is affordable. Then build some equity.

I cheer those guys on. But it's not too compatible with my goals. Just the air hub connections/weather delays alone for such cities turns constant international travel into a major headache.

In the Japan thread I said my bangs were in the 7-9 RANGE. I never claimed I regularly bang 9s, and only 9s, and that in all countries I visit I can bang 9s. No, I can't do that. Pointing to that thread and claiming that's what I was saying is a mischaracterization.

What I was pointing out in that thread is getting laid in Japan is pretty straightforward if you go to the parties. The girls are there to get banged by foreigners.

Sometimes they will actually line up to talk to you! You dont even need to speak Japanese. I can't figure out how that Assad guy was a tall western blond there a year and barely got laid. And was cheered on. Just go to the parties.

I visited almost every point of interest in Kansai over 3 months, with no time devoted to daygame and still did well. Scheduling bang appointments isn't for everyone but it fit my lifestyle. Supplement with night game cold approaches.

In the last few days some other travelers have reached out to me in PM. They pretty much hit the nail on the head. A big problem was PAIR BONDING.

A lot of guys (even travelers) will settle down in one area. It's straightforward game: don't see a woman more than once a week. Have several on rotation.

Easy to avoid doing intimate BF/GF type stuff together. I traveled several months, spending everyday and night together. I got emotionally attached. I also had to use RVF in front of her unless I took a 3 month break in which case I'd forget details relevant to data sheets.

I was willing to overlook a lot of things because it's difficult/impossible to find young women who is already free and willing for extended travel. In SEA most girls want a direct p4p scenario. Or they can't take off work more than a few days to go somewhere relatively local. This girl was in between having a long term sponsor and trying to find a long term boyfriend. I knew that and ignored it as not being my concern. Bad idea. It comes with a whole host of problems.

I was taken with potential compatibility. She did have a decent income from investing when I first met her. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a typical SEA ponzi scheme. The opportunities in a lot of areas of the world just aren't there. It's a corrupt and communist country.

I don't know why everyone assumes it was p4p. I never gave her money. She paid for her transport and admissions. She paid for our meals. I paid the guesthouse ($10). She negotiated for me and saved money most places.

I saw it as a win/win financially. Unfortunately, as many point out a girl who's been sponsored will forever be in that mindset. Doesn't matter if she's in her country's 1%. I wasn't prepared to accept that. I tried and failed.

I stayed involved due to emotion. We did discuss her doing something to get independent financially. I offered online stuff that is more of a hobby for me, but that could do well if someone put the work into it.

She can't understand English at that level and isn't college educated. She opted for a vocational training/small business and asked for money to do that -- I refused.

It saddens me that this is the reality for so many girls in SEA. I'm not captain save a ho, but I'm not a complete Scrooge. But again I thank the others for pointing out that I need to step back, continue to live my life, and let her current sponsor do his job without my interference. That's the way the world works.

Post: #111

I don't recall people saying OP didn't have money enough to retire. If that's the case why is he defending that so hard.

OP hopefully you've cut out that leech. If you plan to live frugally like I saw you say while hoping to experience the world a parasite like that is no good for that lifestyle.

Drop the oneitis and make a spread sheet about her expenses. That alone should make you abandon that sap sucker.

Post: #112

That's an easy spreadsheet. Zero spent on her.

Post: #113

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  A lot of people seem obsessed with the idea that a man can retire so young but not have unlimited money to burn. Or hear words like "investor" and think = rich snob. Or first class = bragging. That's not at all the way it works.

Here is literally what you wrote:

(06-20-2017 11:01 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Yeah that will be hilarious won't it. I'll try to think all about while I sit in first class tonight on my way to Brazil.

How could that possibly be anything other than bragging?

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Read my posts. Please. Investing is a fucking grind. I had excel spreadsheet nightmares most of my teens and 20s.

When you write "investing" it sounds like you are playing with millions of dollars.

What you should write is "borderline successful day-trader."

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Yes I can make $200/day trading.

I can make $400 a day teaching ESL. What's your point?

$200 a day is nothing.

Quote:I have to sit in front of a computer (optimally 2-3 screens) all fucking day.

You mean that you have to put in a full days work to earn a living!

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I don't want that life anymore. I want the freedom to travel for prolonged periods of time to remote areas. And I'd like to have a decent chick with me so I'm not devoting half the time to pickup. There's not much info about this kind of lifestyle. Ive searched.

Who cares what you want?

In life you only get that which you are earn or luck into.

Fact: Life is full of trade-offs. You can't "have it all™."

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I STILL had to work my ass off in side jobs and every summer.

Sounds like normal life for people under 25.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Listen, being a millionaire isn't shit.

I'll PM you a bank account number where you can route the money. I'll make good use of it in your stead.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I'm not trying to belittle, but educate. $1.5-2 million income preservation with passive return is around $100,000/year minus taxes. That's MAYBE $75k. Exactly what I could get sitting in front of a computer screen. So why bother?

So, you're say that you're such a bad day-trader that you could make the same money through passive investments as you could through active daily work?

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  That's $200/day if you're not conservative. Maybe half that if you are. My life does not = vacation. I'm not balling and I never will. $2000/month isn't much but I make it work.

I thought $200x30=$6000 per month.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Yeah I could spend more but I'd rather not. Another economic downturn living in a van eating free samples is not something I want to do post 20s. That's my reality. Maybe one day I want a family. Then I'll spend it down and even go back to work. Meanwhile I'll be glad I traveled and saw as much as I could now.

Why not correctly leverage your money by investing in or building a real business just like other people who have millions?

Do something that you have a passion for, but where the numbers also make sense and will generate a sizeable return if all goes well.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I don't know why educated guys think there is some financial candyland where you can have zero trade-offs. Maybe if you're born rich? I wouldn't know jack shit about that.

You don't get to brag about your lifestyle and bitch about it on the same forum.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I use the leverage of international arbitrage. Balance an expensive summer in a developed country with a cheap winter in a developing one. Make sacrifices on things like housing/food costs in order to make sure I'm not going by attractions and saying to myself it's not worth the admission bc my Airbnb is a whole apt. I flew all the way here. I'm going to see and do everything I can.

Why not go into a business doing something you enjoy so that you don't have to sacrifice and plead poverty anonymously on an online forum to a bunch of strangers?

If your lifestyle is such a disappointment that you have to bitch about it, why not choose a different lifestyle. It's not like your only choices in life are being a day-trader or having passive investments.

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  A lot of guys (even travelers) will settle down in one area. It's straightforward game: don't see a woman more than once a week. Have several on rotation.

Easy to avoid doing intimate BF/GF type stuff together.

Good idea, why don't you do that instead of....

(06-24-2017 05:37 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I traveled several months, spending everyday and night together. I got emotionally attached. I also had to use RVF in front of her unless I took a 3 month break in which case I'd forget details relevant to data sheets.

...that.

All of your problems are of your own creation.

Post: #114

I said I CAN make $200/day but it's not guaranteed even after lots of work. No one controls the market. Sometimes the market is flat and options can take months even years. $200 is an AVERAGE. God almighty does no one here manage their own investments? I choose to live on less than have that as a conservative reinvestment after two economic bubbles. That's a passive strategy especially in a bull market. Also figure minus short term capital gains taxes and the added cost of living in an apt with an office and reliable high speed internets vs cheaper digs. And obvious knowledge that markets are only open 5 days a week not 7 will further reduce your math. Playing with millions of dollars. Pipe dream. No one plays with millions of dollars. Maybe a billionaire? Unimaginable to me. I'm sorry I can't wife you money I just got done with one sponsorette There are some countries I've had fast enough wifi but I'd be up all night bc of time difference. Long term capital gains tax is much less. Basically a 23 percent raise to long term invest + putting back as much as possible during the market ups is what grows your egg to weather bear markets. It's great you can make $400 in day (brag?). You are illustrating my point that people should stick with sweat equity and what they are passionate about. My point isn't how much it's being locked into a computer terminal or the same daily routine vs not having to even check your phone for days or worry about portfolio readjustments, tax loss harvesting, etc.

Post: #115

Man, these days I try not to belittle other people's problems. God knows everyone has their struggles.

But when you routinely see dudes struck down in their prime with cancer or suffering strokes at bizarrely young ages and ending up as vegetables it's hard not to think "get a fucking grip, 'cause other people would kill to have your "problems".

Post: #116

Yeah that's why I want to travel as much as possible now. You never know what your health or wealth will be like in the future.

I did the first 5 years around the USA in a camper. I saw a lot of retirees too old to go hiking. Lots of widows/ers.

I remember talking to one guy at a hot springs and he was like you should go abroad now. You can finish the USA when you're my age!

Post: #117

(06-20-2017 05:14 AM)atlant Wrote:  Why are you so infatuated with a gold digger?

Atlant hit the point on the head.

Why are you fucking around with this girl and why are you friendly with that dude? The latter is the biggest question I have. You know how jealous non-game aware dudes can get. I wouldn't trust him at all.

He could have been socially engineering shit to get info on you to try and ruin you. What if he starts googling and finds out your employer and sends proof that you post on a misogynistic website (that's what employers will think)?

Not trying to scare you, but you need to be a lot more careful.

Post: #118

I think that for newer members it should be firmly suggested that any OP they start about some issue they're having in their life should consist of two sentences.

The first would begin with "Objective:"

The second would begin with "Obstacles:"

Ideally we'd be looking at the equivalent of two twitter posts in length.

Beyond that the only addition would be: "Please ask for any details you think are relevant."

I suspect that after filling out those first two portions honestly then most of them wouldn't even hit the post button, and those that did would be approaching the situation with a far more analytical mind rather than the persistent crop of OPs that amount to 500 words padding out the core subject of "there's a thing that I want and here is a laundry list of all the reasons I'll never be able to have it".

No offence to OP specifically. This is a routine problem that often results in newcomers being roundly thrashed for cuckitude and scampering off with their tail between their legs (or going full retard and getting a ban).

Post: #119

I'm not employed. I'm retired. Hence I'm not too worried.

I'm no longer friendly with him. We had a few brief exchanges. Nothing against him but no reason to talk to him.

He initially contacted me and was civil despite being distraught. I thought that showed class. I was curious to know if what I thought about her was correct. It was. I told him probably best not to communicate after that unless there's an emergency.

We had another exchange after I got anonymous texts "warning" me about her. I passed the warnings along and wished him luck. And again stopped communicating.

He doesn't want her chatting with me at all even as a friend. I blocked him bc he kept pestering me with weird and hostile nonsense.

That's it really.

Post: #120

The fact he's justifying it still after the verbal lashings he has received further cements the lost cause we're dealing with.

Either that or we've been dealing with a teenage girl pretending to be male the entire time as the only people I've seen obsessed with pointless feelings and justifications tend to be them.

Post: #121

(06-23-2017 10:14 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  A million comments about the girl being a gold-digging whore. She had a sponsor. Most girls in that region who speak a little broken english have several sponsors. There are 5s over there that don't have to work because they have multiple sponsors. I agree that she isn't a girl for an LTR but I know some of the gold-digging whore comments are coming from guys who have never banged a legitimate 8 and are clueless about the culture of sponsorship and p4p over there.

If by "that region" you mean Southeast Asia, I dissagree. If you meant Laos, it might be true (I've never been to Laos).

Post: #122

(06-20-2017 09:11 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  this guy works for an intl humanitarian organization. i dont think theyd be happy he has a money girl. it's his job, visa, property, lifes work, and reputation on the line. he is the one in the illegal situation. plus he is nuts over this girl.

Do you really think his "intl humanitarian organization", whichever it is (Unesco?), believes him to be in Laos just for "humanitarian tasks", no touching of the local chicks?

I mean, everybody knows that male employees of "humanitarian organizations" in SEA are there 0 to 20% for the humanitarian part of it, and the rest, for the women. Motivation is, the women, it's public knowledge. Like, men really going to 3d world places to volunteer in shantytowns? lol, it does not exist, all of them chase tails.

That is why I don't understand your appreciation or say grudging respect for this dude, who is no mother Theresa, but remember in any case that I told you that you don't love this chick of yours.

If you really loved her, first you'd be back there in Laos (job permitting, but, as you are retired...), secondly you would hate the guts of your competing rival (who's on top of that is a double-faced "humanitarian" swindler, better paid than you realize). So as you don't love the girl, forget her.

Post: #123

(06-26-2017 02:25 AM)Going strong Wrote:  ...
Do you really think his "intl humanitarian organization", whichever it is (Unesco?), believes him to be in Laos just for "humanitarian tasks", no touching of the local chicks?

I mean, everybody knows that male employees of "humanitarian organizations" in SEA are there 0 to 20% for the humanitarian part of it, and the rest, for the women. Motivation is, the women, it's public knowledge. Like, men really going to 3d world places to volunteer in shantytowns? lol, it does not exist, all of them chase tails.
...

Do we have a datasheet on this?

Post: #124

I read this whole thread.

First, I don't think members were too hard on this guy. He asked. They answered.

Second, I think TM would help himself immensely if he'd just say "thank you for the honest feedback" and leave it at that without the 3 pages of excuses.

The thread didn't go the way you wanted. It went the way you needed.

Third, I think TM is suffering from loneliness by traveling alone for so long. When guys travel alone too long, they get solipsistic. TM, you need to get some close friends IRL.

Fourth, yeah, great posts Dream Medicine.

Finally, if it isn't clear by now, drop this chick and your romeo and juliet fantasies.

Stop! Don't say anything else. Just drop her and move on.

Tornado

Post: #125

We were appropriately hard on him.

OP apparently believes that another man - possibly a crazy man - is permitted to break his dick off in OP's girl's asshole solely for humanitarian reasons.

Whatever is going on here is dysfunctional, unhealthy, and weird as shit.