Post: #1

Recent business trip to a large suburb of a Tier 1 American city. Some of you may want to dismiss this as fiction, but it's not.

It was the kind of hotel that you walk right up to the door, on the first floor.

I saw her outside when I was leaving the afternoon the second day I was there. She made chit-chat with me. She told me rather quickly what she does, I told her it was obvious by all the cars that would park in front, stay an hour, then leave. She wasn't really that attractive either (slightly overweight but would be considered somewhat pretty), either way, she constantly had "work".

I told her that her secret is fine with me. She said thank you for that. Threw in a joke about how men would do it if it were easy.

I saw some of the guys leaving/showing up a few times when I had to leave, she had a new one over every few hours, constantly, didn't matter if was morning, mid-day, evening, or very late night. Most of them were normal guys as well, some looked like gangsters, some in suits, even saw a tall navy seal looking guy that some would consider a classic alpha. They definitely weren't the total basement dwelling nerds that society would expect.

The last day was a free day, I went to the pool & she was there. We talked a bit more. I asked her a few questions. She said between her ads & dating apps, she has over 100 men to choose from at any given time. That men sometimes end up in a bidding war just to see her. All she has to do is tell them there's another guy offering more money, even if one is not at the moment it usually results in a higher counteroffer.

She had her phone next to her, there were moments a notification went off every 5 seconds, no exaggeration. On a good day, she told me she can make between 800-1k. All for her.

This wasn't some shady motel either (decent chain about $90 a night), but she said it's known the management was aware of this, but didn't care. Every month, she books a room on the first floor there for a week, and that's how she makes her living.

I've always said the American gender ratio is bad for straight men, but I didn't think it was quite this bad. Men literally competing to see call girls. This is probably not true in other countries.

Just think of of any reasonably pretty woman you know (doesn't matter if she's post-wall age if she's still in decent shape & not fat). The level of nonstop attention is there for them. Society probably isn't meant to function this way.

She wakes up to:

- At least 50 tinder/bumble matches if she's in a bigger city (if she's on either or both)
- If she's POF/Okcupid/meetme/blendr (any of them)...triple that number
- A revolving door of snapchat/kik/whatsapp/facebook chats/standard texts (this number varies, but it's a lot)
- Assuming they didn't see her on an app or dating site, these guys are other random guys who saw her a friends list, real exes, former flings, former guy who had a crush on her at work/school, maybe a guy who had in one college class but never forgot her, etc.

There's really no true data on this, but it's safe to say the average, non-fat woman has unlimited options far exceeding a man several SMV points above her (exceptions being celebrities/ultra wealthy/some club promoters or guys with Lester Diamond in Casino game...a true minority), even into her 40s. The US might be pushing 60/40 in terms of gender ratio from 20-45, when you exclude the larger women. To be fair, there's lots of fat men too. It's just the sheer abundance of men that offsets this, which is true even when you include men in prison, men overseas, men who fall under the umbrella of LGBT.

Keep in mind, the birth ratio is 107:100 (more men) plus the US has been obsessed with immigration (whether legal or illegal) which hasn't done much.

This isn't documented in the US yet, but it probably will in the upcoming years.

Post: #2

Tons of women probably do this.

The number of women that invest that money wisely and expand their horizons in anticipation of hitting the wall?

A much lower number.

Regardless of our opinions, pay to play is going to feature much more heavily in the future, and in many cases it's going to run more to pay-to-talk instead of play. One woman can run dozens of hamsters who fantasise about her getting out of "the life" and settling down with them exclusively and if she's smart and manipulative enough she can string them all along easily.

It's not without it's dangers though. If she's not equally smart about who she takes on as a client then she's might end up unwittingly becoming part of a murder-suicide when some beta goes off the deep end or simply snaps when rebuffed.

The other thing you often find with women like this is that they crave a dominant male in their life so badly that they'll find an alpha and submit to him utterly, blowing much of that money on gifts in an attempt to buy his loyalty.

But look at it this way. If this one woman is dominating the attention of a dozen betas then she's actually pulling more of her societal sexual weight (in a sense) then she otherwise might in a more traditional society.

Post: #3

Thai women are the masters of this game, juggling a dozen men, scheduling their home visits, engineering emergencies that need urgent cash, securing income so they don't have to whore any more (but they whore anyway) and make each of their victims feel loved, cherished and the only man in the world.

I vote Thai women as having the number one Woman Game in the world.

Post: #4

(06-11-2017 06:16 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I vote Thai women as having the number one Woman Game in the world.

Yeah and they get pissed when you don't kowtow to their game haha

Some Filipinas play a similar game, but they're too obvious.

Post: #5

Yup - gender ratios are shit and the fattocalypse in the US equally destroys the market.

It is better in Western Europe where hookers have to compete in a way, because prostitution is legal in many countries and brothels are easy - Netherlands, Germany, Austria etc.

In countries with balanced gender ratios escorts also exist as well as brothels due to the fact that there are many men with zero Game, some have timing issues, but it is frankly mostly related to Game and attraction. Most would not even know how to secure a Seeking Arrangement cutie and not be stupid moron about it.

Post: #6

Good stuff Underboss!

1) Remember most of her customers are men trapped in crap dead end marriages.

2) I'll echo Zelcorpion on the male female ratio's....but let's face it young men 20's up into their late 30's gave up years ago on job's a wife ..e.t.c.....which means they don't bother trying for chicks nor have the cash for a quality escort...and typically jerk off to porn in the basement.....it's so bad young dudes need Viagra to get it up for a REAL girl!

3) young escorts today "independents" are addicted to drugs typically with a touch of mental issues....they realize no relationship for them will work....and go for the easy money until they get tired of sucking latex. (yeah they end up hating that taste...lmao)

What I figure from the clients visiting the escorts Underboss observed...is the sad state of marriages today...plus a percentage of semi ugly dudes that got no game but cash.

Typically EE escorts fly to North America or Europe....and 3 or 4 of them rent one hotel room for the business (so why go to the EE it comes here)...same goes for our local escorts sharing hotel rooms..or condo's

It's so bad..some Airbnd hosts spell out...only one person or couple and want names....and specify no hanky panky brothel stuff.

Regardless prostitution is the oldest profession....and no matter what era chicks flock to it for the easy money...it beats working 9 to 5.

Post: #7

It's so bad in the US that all a woman has to do is post "Need some help this month...long story", she will get replies saying "PM me" from orbiters.

Post: #8

I used to be neighbors with a high end escort. We used to party at our other neighbors, a doctor who had the best drugs, and I got to know her well.

She did 'dates' only, which meant less money per hour, but more financial security over the long term. She was close to 30, and was putting away a lot of money for 'retirement' which meant probably early 30's max. She had lost some long term clients for younger women, so she new the end game and was not going to be an old whore.

The dates were mostly evenings and weekends away. Sometimes a business trip with a guy who would tack on some extra time for romance. As you guys mentioned, most of these guys are married. Some were single and just liked to fuck a hot, classy woman a lot without hang ups.

She averaged $5k a week, saved almost all of it. She never paid for food or vacations, ate at the best spots and traveled first class. She was very down to earth and nice, but when high her demons would be literally scratching to get out. She never talked about her youth to me, but our mutual doctor friend said there was some trauma in her youth due to father issues.

I don't believe whores are a symptom of the times, but just a service for the natural male tendency. There needs to be a certain alpha trait to bang whores, and there is not many beta men that bang them. Most are alpha in certain ways, they just have some different ways of going about banging strange.

Post: #9

Yep a lot of Beta guys are out there in U.S. Thats good for a normal self respecting man because even whores look down on those paying clients aka suckers.

Post: #10

This sort of thing happens in hotels way more often than what most people realize. Some hotels turn a blind eye to this type of activity and others will go as far as tipping off the local police if they suspect this type of activity is taking place in their facility.

This doesn't surprise me that this chick has so many guys using her services. The level of thirst out here is just over the top. I know one chick right now that at best is a 5 and yet she gets hit up on by so many guys that I was actually shocked to see so many of these guys hitting up on this mediocre looking chick. She's in her mid 20s, about 50-70 pounds overweight, dresses terribly, bad skin and yet she acts and thinks she's a 10. Like others have mentioned here, she has an endless supply of beta males and orbiters hitting up on her.

If she were to actually lose a lot of weight, change her diet and improve her appearance, she would actually look pretty decent. But when they get hit upon by so many guys, these chicks have no incentive to improve and clean themselves up.

One thing that I would like to mention is to be very careful if you're in a hotel bar, especially a nice hotel and you get hit on by two chicks, then proceed with caution. A lot of these chicks have been known to operate as a two person team. They'll hit up on you and they then try to talk you in going to your room and claim they want to party. What they end up doing is getting you shit faced drunk to the point of passing out and they then end up taking your wallet and other valuables.

When the guy then realizes the next day that he got robbed, they then will complain to hotel management and claim that the housekeeper ripped them off or some other member of the hotel staff. Some guys will just take the loss and call it a day and others will actually call the local police to file a report. When they call the police, then then end up backing themselves into a legal corner because they are essentially admitting to solicitation.

Post: #11

If you ever want to see this in action , hit up the Long Bar @ The Sanderson hotel in central London.
Its hot hooker central , some of these girls are like VS models its insane. God knows how much they charge but I'm guessing its megga bucks $$$

Post: #12

I party a lot with these types of girls.

They are actually pretty cool for the most part, but couple observations that they often have in common
-are looking for a "sponsor" aka love the high life
-love drugs (sniff)
-generally bisexual

Can be seen as a blueprint on what to do to get these girls when they are in their "off time"

Post: #13

I never thought about the divorced angle also flooding the male numbers, now underboss brings up also the disappointed married, wow, couple that with immigration and it really can only get worse until the reset point hits...

If true, just read my signature below. You should have done it yesterday, lol

Post: #14

Interesting story. But a hooker is very different than a normal woman. A hooker is a woman that you pay some cash (and not a huge sum for a guy who's making good money) and you're getting guaranteed sex. A lot of guys can't get sex. They go on dates and it just doesn't work. Some endure it, some pay for hookers. And how many hookers do you think there are? A lot less than the desperate guys. It's a whole different dynamic than normal dating.

Make an online dating account and see for yourself how many super alpha guys are going to ping you every five seconds. You'll get tons of losers, I tried it a few years ago.

Post: #15

There's a underbelly in societies worldwide people can't see it because either they don't want to (believe it) or it's something in plain sight and invisible.

All those lovely ladies in Vegas...(whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas)

cosworth above knows a place in the UK he posted (above) with Victoria Secret model types...as I do places in Canada

You go to any high end bar or low end in any country....you assume all the 9 and 10's are taken.unapproachable with stupid losers but guess what they're pre-paid and some money man is banging her.

You look around the bar and in some cases ...pairs of 7's and 8's are working the tourists/businessmen....and when you leave the bar the street 5 and 6's accost you

To get a normal girl in a bar one way is to look for the chicks surrounded by cock blockers (even if she waves the cock blockers off, I mean wants to chat you cause your handsome start worrying about a gold digger) ...is she having a normal night out in a trendy club with high end peeps around. hmmmm..me thinks maybe

Older guys with cash don't have to worry about finding a 10....the package arrives in a cab knowing English....and is an excellent tour guide/wing lady..there's zero debate/chat/blog if the chicks in any city are legit..... the locals don't bother a working girl which is nice.

and now.. NO....never done it....but thinking about it (all about price...lmao) I wanna trip to EE and no time to learn all countries languages/culture

Post: #16

Another reason game is so important

Post: #17

I hate to say this....but how is this any new? We already knew this.

Post: #18

Sub-top level escorts in the UK are about $600-700. In the US it's more like $1,000-1,500. In the UK only a few very high level escorts are at those prices.

Part of this is probably due to the higher level top tier economy in the US. The top 0.1% in the UK earn about £350k / year, while in the US it's more like £500k / year. Lower taxes too. So the sort of guys who are making loads of money and are struggling to get the quality or quantity of women they think they deserve and have little time have good wedges to spend on the hottest women money they'll probably never have otherwise. With a month's salary they can have a high-level escort every week.

This girl is popular at the moment: http://nicolettesheavip.com/book-nicolette/

$75,000 for a month. There's about 160,000 adult men in the US for whom that's as consequential as the average Joe buying a high-end laptop.

With the fat epidemic in the US also being more serious than most other countries, this further fuels the desire for rich guys who think that buys them a 9+ pumping up escort prices.

On Instagram you'll see XXXk follower models with their email in the bio. Obvious what they are looking for in between the slew of dick picks, clueless fags and hobo propositions.

Also saw a documentary on YouTube about prostitution in the UAE where high-level professional women are tempted in by the lure of making $1-4K / day. Doesn't take long to see what is driving this:



And that doesn't even include sex tourists.

Post: #19

(06-13-2017 12:21 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I hate to say this....but how is this any new? We already knew this.

^Agreed Until we're talking about a stable of sexbots theres nothing new about the vagina rental industry aka "oldest profession"

Post: #20

Not sure what to glean from this sorry of yours. You saying because you met a successful hooker outside of a 3 star hotel that America is an uphill battle for men trying to get easy pussy?

There have been whores as long as their have been men and women. This has never changed and surely never will.

Post: #21

There's men entering bidding wars at the moment for an average prostitute. The ratio in America is nearing China/India levels, except is documented in those countries.

A few others observations, even the trashiest overweight women can appear to be picky on tinder. Passable trans have orbiters these days. Obviously those guys are idiots, but they are still there.

Post: #22

(06-13-2017 10:09 PM)underboss Wrote:  There's men entering bidding wars at the moment for an average prostitute. The ratio in America is nearing China/India levels, except is documented in those countries.

A few others observations, even the trashiest overweight women can appear to be picky on tinder. Passable trans have orbiters these days. Obviously those guys are idiots, but they are still there.

So what? With self-improvement you can easily stand out among the average joe and swoop Colombian/Russian models while living in a village the by the sea, bathing in oils, and eating game meats.

Ok, so not all of us can be Gmanifesto but if you 1 - Get a side biz or hustle for extra $$$ 2 - Get in shape 3 - Dress well....you will definitely be doing better and won't need to resort to prostitutes. Plenty of guys on here are getting laid regularly.

No one talks about this. Few will admit this.

Post: #23

I know him. Interesting guy. Not looking for advice. Only pointing out the current situation in the US.

Post: #24

^@CR

That's the God's honest truth.

During 99% of the history of our species you had to be a top notch hunter-killer to get pussy.
Only in the very recent past was it the case that the pussy supply was more or less organised, and even then your options were limited to "safe" women who laid on their back and thought of the flag.

I can understand how guys might think it's hard to find a quality wife these days, but getting your dick serviced in any number of different ways by any number of different racial flavours has never been easier.

When it comes to casual fucking the glass is half full, whereas for most if not all of our history the glass has had been not much more than moist.

You could just as easily complain about not having guaranteed in-roads to becoming an astronaut. Common guys with limited means and game NEVER had access to top tier pussy and RARELY had anything but limited access to generic starfish pussy from women who didn't want to be pumping out their 10th kid by the time they were 26 (given that there was close to zero birth control and every birth was a possible death sentence).

If there were a golden age for fucking, this would be it.

Post: #25

GCwork..good graph and information

There's a price point where western girls will get heavily into that action and want to travel for it....competition will (with independents not agencies) drive prices at some point (down)....did I ever say lazy people will travel for a quick buck...naw...western girls ain't lazy!

Loanard D Neubache is right about...sex never being easier...(live video or real)...I remember the good ol days staring at National Geographic and the topless African tribe women... yum yum.....anyways moving on from 1970's imposed celibacy...cough ..hack

Western Rule of Thumb use to be a chick had 3 dicks in her for her entire life.......I think that rule is out the window now....in some area's of the world that rule holds true...(maybe just one dick)

It's cheaper to bang a hooker than get a divorce (by a factor of 10,000)

The odds on getting divorced are about 50%.....and if your not in that statistic your the other 50% who live in a dead marriage or hell on earth for life (like Bill Clinton)....so that's 100% DING!

I see no problem ....peeling off 50 bucks for a Ukraine 10 ...I read the Ukraine rub and tugs (with happy endings) have fantastic chicks doing the tugging/fucking (I believe everything on the internet)...somebody look into this!