So I got back from Montreal earlier this week and posted a
data sheet here.
I had some pretty fun experiences with girls and all around so I'll post them here with my overall thoughts. I approached a lot of girls day and night but only spammed approach on one day.
Day 1, Tuesday:
Landed in the late afternoon and was pretty tired. Prior to this, I had gone on Tinder dates with 3 or 4 different girls on consecutive nights and I was in San Antonio the weekend before. I met up with a buddy who just moved to Montreal and we had some food and a drink. Went to some bar on St. Laurent. Chatted up 2 Quebecer chicks and went into the bar they went to. Chatted the 2 of them up with their 4 friends. They weren't really interested but were still friendly. Went home early.
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Day 2, Wednesday:
A note on Tinder, and this will come into play later on. I think I matched with 7-8 girls on Tinder on my stay. I'll talk about these girls as it happens. On this day, I matched with a pretty decent looking white chick. Let's call her THICC. I told her I'm in town until Mon and I wanted to meet her that night but she said she had plans already and said let's do Sat. We agreed to confirm on Fri. I'll mention her later on.
I did a handful of approaches before meeting roundtree and my first one was actually really receptive. Nothing great. Maybe 6/10 at best but a bartender and it was my first approach just to get warmed up. She said she was down to hang out. We texted back and forth a bit over the next day or so trying to finalize plans but then she went cold.
I met Roundtree for a beer in the afternoon. Super cool guy and we chatted for a bit with no gaming or anything. He felt a bit run down so he wasn't down to go out that night and I was getting a bit sick too so I decided to just have a chill night.
Later that night, I went to Old Port to get dinner at a cool, higher end, hipster-chique restaurant. I wanted a spot at the bar but they told me to come back in a bit because they were so busy. After walking Old port for a bit, I came back and there was a cute 7/10 white chick waiting behind me. The hostess asked if we're together and I said no. She told us to sit for a bit while she gets us our bar seats.
I sat next to her and it turns out she's there alone because she's in town from Toronto to visit her cousin and the cousin was working that night. I asked her to join me and she was down. Told the hostess that we're together now. I didn't plan on drinking that night but eh, she was drinking so I went for it as well.
This girl was cute but just terrible overall. She's in law school and basically hit every stereotype a female lawschool student from Toronto could hit. She matched me intellectually but she was kind of dead inside. Hell, she even brought up "most women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetimes and I was too." I just ignored. We did talk about some deeper topics but I could tell there wasn't any interest from her. I broke her down a bit but nothing. The bartender was cool and even tried to help me out as did the female one but no dice. The funny thing was our bills came to the exact same amounts despite ordering completely different things.
I told her let's get out of here and go for a walk. I was trying to weasel her back to my air bnb. We stopped by the Cathedral because she wanted to take a look and I threw up a hail mary asking her if she wanted to see my view. Declined. I laughed and said ya I wasn't feeling the vibe from her but thought I'd throw it out there.
Fun night though even though no bang.
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Day 3: Thurs:
Got up a bit late and went to St. Catherine street to daygame. I actually spent about 3 hours spam approaching that day with little results. I stopped by Concordia did a few approaches, then even went to McGill to see what was up. It was the last 2 days of exams for students so there was an open beer garden outside with tons of hot students. I did a few approaches here and there and a few were warm but nothing happened. I did talk to some people and got an idea of where the people would be partying at night.
I did a few more approaches on St. Catherine probably totally 20+ that day. I had a hipster girl that day say it was really unfortunate that she had a bf because I'm really handsome. She was pretty into me.
I was mentally and physically exhausted at the end of this but did one more approach right before I went to the metro. 7.5-8/10 blonde white French speaking Quebecer. She was down. I asked her what she was up to and she said her sister is dropping off resumes and she's getting some water. I told her to get tea with me. She agreed.
We went to a coffee shop and bantered a bit. About 20 min or so later, her sister joined us. Her sister's English was much better so I teased the target about her English. We actually both kind of work in the same field so there was a common bond there. We discussed having a beer over the weekend and exploring the city and she agreed. Her sister also seemed to like me or at least think that I was a cool guy. She told me to take care of her sister.
Unfortunately, when I texted her a day later, no reply. That's okay though. I enjoy having these little adventures and my approaching is getting better and better.
Notes:
- I'm not sure if spam approaching for a few hrs is the best way to go about things. There's obviously benefits and draw backs. The benefit is in a large city like this with so many beautiful women, you can just go rapid fire without anyone even noticing and you could eventually hit a target that clicks.
The drawback is it's mentally exhausting and I find that it may affect all of your approaches because it's almost impossible to be mentally present and try to genuinely connect when you're just going rapid fire.
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Day 3: Thurs Night
Met with Roundtree to go out at night. We first went to Mme Lee but it was dead at that point and Roundtreet wasn't a fan of it to begin with so we went to Kampai Garden.
The lineup was atrocious. Guy to girl ratio was 9:1. Once we got inside, it was really packed but there was some decent talent. I hadn't night game in a long time seriously but I was up to the challenge. Basically just followed the e-man's approach and approached groups of girls asking how they were doing to plant some seeds. I approached a few groups of girls and they were friendly (except for the uggos in the lineup in front of us. I saw them later on and gave them a huge shit eating smile and waved at them as they stood there looking angry).
Eventually, some cute girl walked by roundtree, saw him and made a B-line to hit on him. I had to disarm her fat friend who was standing there. Her friend was not really interested in talking to me and was kind of a bitch. But I had to do my wingman duties of rambling enough so that she would finally leave. It turns out that her bf was there in their group and I said I wanted to meet them all. She said that would be weird LOL. Probably the worst person I encountered all trip. Eventually she walked away so I did my job.
I reinitiated with 2 Persian girls I talked to earlier and walked out with them at the smoke pit. Eventually one of the girls gave me her number saying we should hang out before I leave. Nothing came from this number. I actually bumped into her later that night and she drove me down the road to another bar.
Roundtree had left, I was dropped off at the bar. It was dead. So I ubered to Mme Lee. It was really packed and I was really tired from all the approaching earlier so I decided to at least hit on the hottest girls at the club and be done with it. They were nice but nothing happened so I went home to sleep.
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Day 4: Friday - A big day/night
I wanted to get some decent food during the day so I went to Old Port in the mid afternoon. Approached a 5 set of blond chicks who were all at least 8s just to do it. Just bantered for a bit and said goodbye. Probably should have taken their numbers for later.
I approached a decently cute chick 6.5/10 with my standard opener. She was French and very receptive. She was going to work as as a chef at one of the restaurants there so I asked here where I could find some good eats at this time. Realizing she had to go to work, I told her that I know we haven't talked long but I'm here until Mon and would like to grab a drink with her. She was down and gave me her number. I texted her later and she replied the next day apologizing profusely for the late response saying she was swamped at work and she would be down for a drink sunday. I said I'm glad she responded because I liked her vibe and Sunday sounds fine and we can explore the city. Then she didn't reply after that LOL.
After that, I walked a bit and saw a cute 6.5-7/10 woman, probably 30s standing on the street. I approached her indirectly saying she looks lost. We talked a bit and I said I was from out of town and she was too for a conference. I said I'm looking to grab a bite to eat and she should join me. She did.
We had a drink, some mid afternoon food and some good convo. I added her onto instagram and got each other's numbers. Walked her back to her hotel as she had to watch her friend's wedding on facebook or something and said we'd keep in touch. Was fun.
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Friday Night:
Got a message from CaptainChardonnay saying him and his group are going clubbing tonight and Roundtree and I should join. Took a transit over and a black chick on the bus commented me on my outfit and said I looked really sharp. I laughed and said it's my only outfit and I wear it 7 days out of the week.
I met Chardonnay at his place and it was a group of 7-8 awesome dudes. After some predrinking, we went to Flyjin and tried to get in. Unfortunately, the guys we were with made a tactical error and said we're a group of 9 guys LOL. So we weren't getting in without a table.
We went to Le Confessional after and although the club was okay, it was awesome being with a bunch of awesome guys and we even got a bottle. 2 ratched chicks at the bar looked at me and said that I'm really handsome and dressed super well. A good boost to the ego. I then approached 2 blondes, 1 tall one which will come into play later on (tall blond). They were lukewarm but whatever.
It turns out that I can dance pretty decently and I dropped it in the middle of the dancefloor for most of the night just having fun. I then went outside for some fresh air and talked to some chick.... At this point I get a text from THICC: "Hey are you at confessional? I think I saw you. I'm inside"
I thought to myself "Are you fucking kidding me? What are the chances." We had confirmed our date for Saturday earlier in the day. The plan was to meet in the afternoon and she would show me the city and we'd drink all day. It was set and I basically assumed I'd be able to seal the deal because my in date skills are very very good. So getting this text from her I kind of panicked which was a bad move.
I told her to come meet me outside. She said she can't because she's with her girls. I told her that's cool, have fun with her girls and I'll hang with my guys and we'll see each other tomorrow. If it was left at that, it would have been great.
Eventually, I bumped into her on the dancefloor after I came out of the washroom. She was happy to see me. She was a lot shorter in person and thicker than her pics but not fat. Had nice tits and awesome ass. Seemed like what roundtree would call a "hood rat" LOL. we immediately grinded and made out heavily on the dancefloor. She grinded hard onto my cock ask I had my hand around her neck. We were going at it pretty hard. This is a tactical mistake though. Experience has taught me that by putting it so overtly out there like that, you often lose the bang. I cut it off and told her to have fun with her friends and I'll see her at our meeting time tomorrow. she agreed.
So back to the two blondes earlier, their less attractive friend - Glasses - showed up and was all of a sudden all over me. I even ended up making out with her LOL and I suspect THICC may have seen! Dumb dumb dumb. The only solace is a lot of guys for some reason tried to hit on this friend of the blondes' but she turned them all down and and only went after me
. I got her number just in case.
For some explicable reason, I think I may have run into THICC again and said something like I'll see her tomorrow. VERY VERY bad mistake. Now I just looked needy. She said "don't worry." Then a bit later, her and her friends were leaving and I pulled her in for the a kiss. Another mistake. Super needy. I could feel from her last kiss that I might have lost her.
Our group then went for some 4am Boustan and overall, it was a great night despite my mistakes and what would happen next...
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Day 5: Saturday: A flake and a not good bang
So I mentioned that the Chef chick texted me on this day saying she was down to hang out Sunday but went cold. I was under the assumption that she was down to hang out I wanted to try to bang 2 chicks in one day. I then msg'd glasses to meet Sunday night under the assumption that I would meet Chef during the day to bang. Well Chef went cold and I wasn't enthusiastic about Glasses but more on this later.
Actually a good shit test happened as glasses said Tall blond from earlier that night wanted to come along and she wanted me to bring her date for a double date. I laughed because I wasn't even into the date in the first place and said I'm not down for that. She then complied. However, I did set Roundtree up (gave it to Roundtree because Chardonnay's services were unavailable) and he's working on it currently.
So I went to meet THICC for our date without even texting her to confirm because I was so needy the night before. I was just hoping that it would happen... but she flaked and didn't even let me know! It's okay because I learned a lot of lessons. I'm normally very cool and don't get rattled easily but I was rattled this time and made a ton of mistakes. Something like this might happen again and now I know how to deal with it.
So I was in a bit of a bad mood after this happened and did like 2 approaches instead of going home to sulk. I was very horny after all the grinding the night before so I texted glasses. Turns out her and tall blond were on St. Catherines same as me. I don't want to disparage her because she's actually nice but I really should not have gone through with it. The 3 of us got coffee and then went for an early dinner. It was pretty fun. I then said I'm taking glasses with me and brought her to my place. Got a Bj and had very quick sex with her
. She's nice so I won't say anything more except it'll all be worth it if Roundtree can bang tall blond.
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Saturday Night:
had to go to different spots to finally get into a place. Was in a line up where I chatted up a gorgeous Parisian girl and her friends. The bouncer said no one is getting in unless they're getting bottles so we had to leave. The Parisian girl was super nice to me and then she said I should join her group. Of course I did. My other buddy bailed for some lame reason but it was okay because Roundtree was joining me.
We went to Mme Lee's which was a huge mistake because the place sucks. Roundtree and I made th ebest of it by drinking a ton and also dancing and kind of hanging with the group of girls earlier. They were nice but not really into us in that way. That's what I noticed about these girls in Quebec. They will be nice and humor you even if they don't have interest.
The girls were going to get some poutine or something but I didn't really want to tag along anymore. Got 2 of their IGs and that was that. Roundtree and I did some late night Boustan again.
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Sunday: Final Night and a Bang
Neither roundtree or chardonnay could join me for dinner so I went solo to hopefully troll for chicks one last time. I went around to different spots and sundays actually suck for restaurants and the city. Ended up at a cool restaurant/bar and chatted up a woman alone next to me. Had a good convo.
But before this, my tinder had popped up. I told her it was my last night in Montreal. She said it was her last night too. BINGO. I told her we should meet. She said sure but she's a lady and she's only into conversation and light making out. I said "let's just meet for a drink and not have any expectations."
I honestly thought she was going to flake because of her response times but mid way through my dinner and chat with the woman at the restaurant, tinder girl confirmed and we were to meet at apt 200.
So we met and I knew I had it in the bag because of the circumstances and because like I said, my in-date game is superb. Her face wasn't the best probably 5.5/10 but body was nice, very nice about 7+/10 especially when naked. She actually looked pretty decent at night and would have a lot better face if her nose wasn't so big. She was on her last night of a bachelorette party and her friends told her to go out at give them some stories. She's actually a "good girl" and hasn't had sex in 2 years. But it goes to show that even "good girls" absolutely want to be bad for the right guy. And I absolutely ravaged her.
My date game is always basically smug, funny, overly confident, calm and just exuding a lot of male energy. I have very good eye contact, and talk in a way where many girls have said "wow you must do this a lot, you're too smooth." I'm good at reading a girl's body language and when to escalate. When I esclate now, I don't make out. I mean I start by touching the low back. Then when no resistance, I talk or whisper in her ear here and and there. Then I caress or hold her hands/arms briefly. It's actually really fun and magical. I also am a huge troll which keeps it fun for the girls.
She was really shy so I forced her to the dancefloor. I danced solo a bit while some white girls were near me and then forced my date to dance with me. That worked in my favor. I also chatted up some random dudes outside while she was with me and I could tell she was impressed by my social skills. I always fuck with girls' heads and tell them I'm shy and I'm very innocent while I'm slowly escalating or just having a great time.
We went to Tokyo bar after and had a few more drinks. It was time to go in for the kill. I told her to stop drinking because I didn't want her to be drunk. I just said: "let's get out of here." It was the smoothest pull I've done to be honest because everything was clicking for me. She complied with no resistance.
Once in my place, I've learned in the past not to be super eager. I offered her some water, turned on music, and showed her my amazing view. Then when we sat down, it was game on. We fucked all night and the sex was actually really damn good.
She stayed over and it was really nice because she was a sweet girl and I ubered back with her to her place. Great way to end my trip.
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Takeaways:
- Wow, my social skills have jumped up significantly. To be fair, it's easier to be social in a different city when you have a crutch of being a "visitor" and there's no social repercussion but I can basically open anyone anywhere and just talk forever. I've always been decent at that but I think after all the approaches, squaring away my life stuff and having all this experience, I've really internalized it.
- I basically have no fear approaching chicks now. This has been strengthened with all my experiences on this trip and all the approaches I've been doing since Jan. Again, it's easier in a different city but I'm going to take this mentality with me in my city now. I didn't get the results or the number of lays that I wanted on this trip but how do we define success anyways? If had a few things go my way, I could have had 2-3 more lays. Not only that, but how many guys in the lifetime could say they met 3+ random women and gone on instadates with them like I did within such a short period of time? The fact that I can do this stuff and the fact that there's so much room for me to improve means that I'm going to take this game stuff to the next level.
- I could have pushed more game experimentation more but I think I did enough. I think the next step for me is to lay 7-8s with some consistency. I'm doing decently well on Tinder now but it's with low 6's if that. But online, guys always end up fucking lower anyways. But progress is progress. Just a few months ago, I was posting about how I was going nuts from the thirst and not having sex for something stupid like 14+ months and now I've fucked 4 chicks in a span of a few weeks with more to come.
- Great trip. I look forward to seeing the guys I met again and to meeting other guys in the future.
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