Post: #9726

Girl hit me up out of the blue to fuck that I never expected to see again and have been completely out of contact with for about 2 months. I've read about it, heard about it, but never experienced it. I'm proud she did cuz I haven't got laid in 2 weeks, what a lifesaver.

I keep scaring girls off by developing mini-LTRs and crowding them a little bit. I value a womans company a little too highly and sex is still kind of a big deal to me. I can't even hide the fact that I'm a pussy hungry young man and it actually works against me after a certain point. I'll elaborate

Since I put a lot of value on sex women do too, since by nature women slowly but surely conform to their environment. This is not what I actually want to do. It opens up a can-of-worms where sex can become a chore, a weapon, and a number of other things that can be leveraged against me. I'm actually enabling them by having this attitude, even though I don't verbally communicate how much sex matters to me I know they can sense it. Okay I may have verbally communicated it a few times too, stupid. The last 2...3 girls actually have witheld sex to get something that they wanted. As you can imagine I tried (and failed) to resolve this behaviour and things end quickly after because that's some fucking bullshit I don't play. I'm clearly doing somthing wrong.

I'm going to do an experiment where from now on I put my best foot forward, do my kanye best to follow all of the seduction techniques I've learned every single time I want sex from a woman. Also try to communicate that I put low value on sex every way I can but directly verbal. But if it doesn't work out and I hit that brick wall where it's just not happening then I'm going to withdraw my attention quickly and end the interaction with as much tact as I can.

It's getting to the point where if I get a girl to actually leave her fucking house and come do something with me there's a pretty high chance I'm getting laid. However most LTR management skills remain completely foreign to me. I want to get better at it. If anyone reading this has any ideas on where to read or look or what to do to persue this goal I would very thankful

Post: #9727

(04-23-2017 09:03 AM)GymBro Wrote:  kaotic, love the nuggets of gold you drop on this forum.

How tall are you? Just curious.

I'm 5'8 or 5'9


One another note, what a wild swing of things when it comes to banging.

Just in Feb/March I was a little bummed on biker girl, that came full circle and I was fine with things.

Then some weak dates, then some decent ones.

I just banged 2 plates and 1 new notch in less than 72 hours. A weekend hat trick.

You just gotta deal with the curveballs and hit it out of the park when you get good pitches.

Post: #9728

I can't get something out of my mind, I find it amusing and amazing. I'm curious about what your experiences are, and if it is only something that I see in a, as of yet, less marxsified country that my european country is compared to the US.

Every girl I've banged LOVED, absolutely LOVED, my deplorable comments on feminism, cultural marxism, the west policies regarding our islamic invasion, etc. Now, every one of them was more or less a "progressive person". From someone who acts very feminine and likes being a woman but still likes to spout feminist non-sense, to a girl that worked in a "open borders" NGO. All of them would laugh at my remarks. Sure, they would say things like "I can't believe you say that!", "you are a dick", etc, but the smile was there every time. Just today I was having lunch with shy girl who is very very slim and she took something from my plate, I told her to be careful if she didn't want to become a fat feminist and that I would from now on control her overeating (just fucking around, she barely eats). She smiled, feigned indignation and said "I don't know how nobody has confronted you yet". Then, just some minutes ago, I was texting with first girl and she told me how she's doing some project that is a "non-sense", I asked her if it was a college for women. She, again, feigned indignation, told me that she would punch me next time she sees me, just to ask me a couple of texts later if I like cheese cake.

I imagine you all can see what I mean by now. I'm surprised because, by reading ROK and some of your experiences, I would not expect this types of scenarios to happen, and yet, I see them again and again. One of my main "game things to improve" was to stop talking politics in front of girls, and yet I see how they love realtalk. Any fun story to share with us? Is this just possible in a less poisoned country? I'm really confused lol.

(04-23-2017 05:08 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  Girl hit me up out of the blue to fuck that I never expected to see again and have been completely out of contact with for about 2 months. I've read about it, heard about it, but never experienced it. I'm proud she did cuz I haven't got laid in 2 weeks, what a lifesaver.

I keep scaring girls off by developing mini-LTRs and crowding them a little bit. I value a womans company a little too highly and sex is still kind of a big deal to me. I can't even hide the fact that I'm a pussy hungry young man and it actually works against me after a certain point. I'll elaborate

Since I put a lot of value on sex women do too, since by nature women slowly but surely conform to their environment. This is not what I actually want to do. It opens up a can-of-worms where sex can become a chore, a weapon, and a number of other things that can be leveraged against me. I'm actually enabling them by having this attitude, even though I don't verbally communicate how much sex matters to me I know they can sense it. Okay I may have verbally communicated it a few times too, stupid. The last 2...3 girls actually have witheld sex to get something that they wanted. As you can imagine I tried (and failed) to resolve this behaviour and things end quickly after because that's some fucking bullshit I don't play. I'm clearly doing somthing wrong.

I'm going to do an experiment where from now on I put my best foot forward, do my kanye best to follow all of the seduction techniques I've learned every single time I want sex from a woman. Also try to communicate that I put low value on sex every way I can but directly verbal. But if it doesn't work out and I hit that brick wall where it's just not happening then I'm going to withdraw my attention quickly and end the interaction with as much tact as I can.

It's getting to the point where if I get a girl to actually leave her fucking house and come do something with me there's a pretty high chance I'm getting laid. However most LTR management skills remain completely foreign to me. I want to get better at it. If anyone reading this has any ideas on where to read or look or what to do to persue this goal I would very thankful

I have the exact opposite experience. Every one of them wanted to keep on seeing me, except for the one I just fingered one night. This was my only successful night-game approach, so there's that. The rest of them have come from social circle or shared social venues. It probably has something to do with this. So, I would say, and bear in mind that I'm a complete newbie, if you want a mini-LTR work on your social circles, or get involved in some group that you will see weekly. Just my 2 cents.

Post: #9729

Looking through my journal I've got it pretty well timed. My mini-ltrs last from 2 weeks to 1 month almost every time. With the only outliar being 2 months. That's 7 mini-ltrs in the last year. Admittedly, every one of them except 1 I would be happy to still see or at least fuck from time to time. I think I'll do a write up and make a thread if I have time.

I fucking hate social circle game. I have a really small group of close friends and we're like brothers. When it comes to women I'm kind of a machiavellian asshole (which could be my problem in the first place) but my style doesn't mesh well with friends. Last two times I fucked a girl from social circle game it caused some (very) minor problems with me and my friends. Nothing that friendship can't handle but I'd rather just not. I will work on extending my social a little bit though and see where that goes. Most of my prospects come from online (also might be a problem) and what little daygame I do.

Every girl I've been with has eaten up my more traditional viewpoints too. I don't talk politics very much if at all but when it comes to the nature of men and women I can be pretty vocal about it if it's useful to me at the time. I seem to attract progressive girls also (shit aren't they all "progressive" now?) and whenever gender roles or politics come up I paint my picture of feminine/masculine behaviour and illustrate it with the biological & anthropological differences of men and women. It just makes sense to me and I spend a lot of time trying to figure out behaviour of people so I speak with a mixture of tact and authority that seems to go over well. There have been times where I have been weary of being called a mysognist but it never happens. Men and women have their subtle differences and I think everyone in their heart knows that (SJW or not).

There was one time in recent memory where me and a girl were in the car on a drive talking about how "easy" men and women are to have sex with. She tried telling me how "easy" men were to bed and how difficult women must be for men. I told her that surely some men have a hard time with it and explained the biological reasons behind it - men trying to spread their genes and women defending against the giant investment of carrying a child for 9 months and supporting it afterwords. Elaborated on the different motivations for sex between the sexes and while men mostly have sex for sex sakes women often have more of an emotional tie to the act. I tied it all together saying that women are easy too you just have to take them on an emotional rollercoaster and they will open up just as easily as any man would. She called me an asshole but gave me this look like "So that's what you've been doing". This helped my frame out a lot and let her know that I'm not some sex starved 20something, basically abundence mentality enforcement. When a girl calls me an asshole in that playful tone nowawdays I know i've won.

Post: #9730

^Don't discuss game with a woman. It will most likely backfire on you later in interaction(s) with her.

Why show your hand? That's not what Machiavellian types do.

Sure she might eat it up in the moment, but she'll have that data point in the back of her head the next time her hamster spins for you. Don't pull the veil from her eyes.

Let her know indirectly, if you have to, that you're not clueless to the nature of men and women. Like stories or little questions during conversation that belies experience.

(This might be an ego thing, since I used to do it all the time as well.)

Post: #9731

another date last night from online.

31 year old 5.5-6/10 asian chick from bumble. Pics were okay on bumble. Did some searching on facebook and looked worse. In person, body was decent, face would be decent to you white guys out there but I just didn't dig her look. she was very receptive online - almost desperate - and certainly qualified herself harsh to me on the date. It was quite the turn off.

Had 2 drink, she was facing me the whole time. I just played aloof game, basically sitting away from her. I didn't give a fuck so I gave off the impression that I'm half boy-scout half something else. She said she's weary about me and the wall kept building up but she also likes challenges. I asked her how online dating was and she said she hasn't found anything over the past year. She asked me how many dates I've been on and I said I've been 3-4 consecutive ones. I kept screwing around with her making it seem like I was a "nice" guy but then would touch her/say something to her that would make her scream out she's so frustrated with me. She told me that I should tell her a joke so I said "I LOVE YOU" and laughed hard.

You know what's crazy? I thought I recognized her and i turns out 7-8 years ago, we went on a date from PoF! I didn't reply to her that night afterward the date and I had no knowledge back then. Just not into her. When I realized it was her we both thought it was pretty crazy. Her much more so, she said maybe it's fate etc etc. Man, desperation is so unnattractive.

Some crazy slutty older looking lady sat next to us and started talking to us. I lied and said her and my date are married. She and her friend then said they're witches or some weird thing and said that we're a beautiful couple and that I'm very handsome etc especially as an Asian man. She went on and on and touched our hands together in some weird union telling us we'll have long adventures together. It was super weird.

I went to drop her off and walked her to the train. She was all over me at this point. I thought she lived closer to the train station but it turns out she parked her car near one of the stations and lives a 15 min drive away from there. We sat in her car and chatted and I flat out told her that I'm not going to lead her on. I said I do want something serious when it's right but I'm not rushing into anything and it seems like she wants something serious. I could tell she's got some high emotions and things could go south so I didn't want to lead her on just for a bang. She then kept going back and forth between saying she would love to have fun with me and saying she doesn't want to waste time and doesn't want things to get messy.

I was just chill the whole time. She kept qualifying and qualifying. It was sadly, desperate. Eventually I kissed her and she got on top of me. We made out heavily and she kept going from "no no no I can't do this right now" to grabbing my Johnson. She then said she does want to have fun but can't tonight and that I should see her again. She kept apologizing and saying she does want this but just has to control her self. I told her to stop apologizing and she's under no pressure to do anything. I said I don't really care about the sex - I would have it with her because I'm feeling her (part lie) but it's fine if we don't - the truth.

We made out more and I tried to weasel my way back to her place but no dice. She kept saying next time and that she really wants to have sex with me. I told her maybe because I'm gonig on my trip for a week tomorrow.

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1. I'm not going on dates with super hot chicks or anything but once any chick goes on a date with me, 90% of the time, I basically have them at the palm of my hands. My date game is excellent. Once I get my own place, I should be good to go.

2. I didn't want to mislead this girl because she too works in my profession and she seems nice. I don't mislead chicks really but I really wanted to be clear with her because she was so desperate.

3. Montreal is tomorrow. Time to game

Post: #9732

(04-24-2017 03:10 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  ^Don't discuss game with a woman. It will most likely backfire on you later in interaction(s) with her.

Why show your hand? That's not what Machiavellian types do.

Sure she might eat it up in the moment, but she'll have that data point in the back of her head the next time her hamster spins for you. Don't pull the veil from her eyes.

Let her know indirectly, if you have to, that you're not clueless to the nature of men and women. Like stories or little questions during conversation that belies experience.

(This might be an ego thing, since I used to do it all the time as well.)

I don't see it as showing my hand - most of the time I'm just having conversation about something I like to discuss. It's something I charish when I'm in good company.

It's something I'm passionate about and it ends up being talked about. I have tried to stop doing that because of the reasons you mentioned. I like philosophy, psychology, and anthropology related subjects and I'm at my happiest when discussing them at length and comparing ideas with people. I just have to remember to steer clear of game stuff with women because what you said is true. Sometimes it does net some short-term social capital but it's almost always used against me at a later time because they think I'm "manipulating" them, even when I'm just being honest it can be a point of contention. So you're completely right there.

Post: #9733

Damn Eugenics up there is key smashing out some Aristotle type shit when it all translates to:

Acting too thirsty round hoes gotta calm it down.

Post: #9734

As an asian man, 8/10 times, any white woman that likes me on an online app is a fatty LOL.

Post: #9735

I had a funny instance I wanted to bring up as an example of the difference between guys and girls.

I think about this post a lot:

(07-27-2012 05:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 04:56 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  More dick stuff from the past hour..
I got that girl to get me a room on her card. She said her account was low and I told her I'll probably pay for it. I wont.
I have a girl in Tampa frantically looking for something for us to do tonight. I'll be nowhere to be found.
I'm going to leave my door unlocked and invite this girl to meet me at my house so she will clean it and blow her off too.
I made a first date with a online girl. Not going to show. Flake by text and not answer her calls..

Women do shit like this, regularly.

That's just typical female behavior. The average female does more dickish things than all but a small percentage of men.

Most guys aren't dicks. One reason el mech stands out is because he takes being a dick to the next level.

Think about what that says about women. Really. Think that through.

Why wouldn't you be dicks to women?

Related, here's what happened.

Last week I met a girl at a house party. She was all over me at the party, she ended up leaving with me and banging.

The sex was meh and she got weird when she got to my house, along with a bunch of red flags I wasn't too interested. FWB at best.

The morning after, I drove her home. I left my phone at the house so I put mine in hers and called myself. When I got home there was no missed call...so ball was on her court. Fast forward to that evening, I'm hustling or at the gym or doing SOMETHING and get a "hey" text from an unknown number. Of course out of reflex I text back "who dis?"

About an hour later I'm relaxing and finally put two and two together, that the unknown number was the girl.

She never texted me back. I looked up her area code and it matched her hometown.

At first I felt bad, like I should text back "hey the call must've not gone through!! What's up?"

Then, I thought about Mike's post above. Let's role play, what if this was the opposite?



RB: hey what's up?
HB: who dis
RB: oh it's Redbeard from last night, the call must've not gone through
HB: cool yada yada
~~life goes on~~

Makes ya wonder.

Why didn't she text back? Lots of possibilities. Ego, buyer's remorse, feelings hurt, whatever. All I know is she isn't putting in **any** effort. I'm at the point in my life where I'm not playing that shit. She eliminated herself from girlfriend position after she kept checking her phone while we were making out on my bed. Why should I waste my time with a girl who won't even say "hey it's HB"???

Post: #9736

(04-25-2017 12:33 PM)redbeard Wrote:  She eliminated herself from girlfriend position after she kept checking her phone while we were making out on my bed. Why should I waste my time with a girl who won't even say "hey it's HB"???

She probably has a boyfriend or maybe a LDR Boyfriend.

Post: #9737

(04-25-2017 12:38 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 12:33 PM)redbeard Wrote:  She eliminated herself from girlfriend position after she kept checking her phone while we were making out on my bed. Why should I waste my time with a girl who won't even say "hey it's HB"???

She probably has a boyfriend or maybe a LDR Boyfriend.

I don't think she'd be making out with me at a party, in front of all of her friends, if she had a boyfriend.

She was sitting on my lap and someone said we looked cute AF and took a picture. She didn't flinch.

Post: #9738

So this girl in my extended social circle I was trying to get at has now now basically ignored/rejected my plans twice in a row. We made out at a function one night and I tried to follow up two weekends in a row. Kept it pretty basic just simple date set up texts. The second time she agreed to our plans and said she would like to hang out and was texting back right away and seemed down so I was very confused when I told her the time and date why she decided to ghost and ignore me. I never contacted her again after that.

So we'll be at the same function this weekend and I'm bringing an even more attractive female friend as my date. I've slept with the female friend before recently but don't really care if we hook up again but who knows what might happen after the drinking starts. I'm more just bringing her for eye candy and the jealousy factor.

I'm hoping after she sees me with a hotter chick she tries to get back into my good graces and gives me an easy lay. I will then pump and dump her completely after that for blowing me off the first time because I'm vindictive like that and I feel like she really didn't recognize my value to ghost like that in the first place.

Making out and grabbing the ass of my friend in front of her should do the trick. Also it's a costume party and I'm buff as hell so my physique will be on full display. And I'm considered attractive by the chicks in this social circle two other ones have voiced it to me so I don't think I can go wrong here. Should be a fun time.

Will report back if my jealousy gambit works and I bang this chick in the near future.

Post: #9739

(04-25-2017 02:28 PM)redbeard Wrote:  I don't think she'd be making out with me at a party, in front of all of her friends, if she had a boyfriend.

She was sitting on my lap and someone said we looked cute AF and took a picture. She didn't flinch.

Ah point taken, women gonna women, she needs her phone at all times.

If we were making out and she grabbed her phone, I'd toss that as far away as I could and go caveman on her.

Post: #9740

(04-25-2017 12:33 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Why didn't she text back? Lots of possibilities. Ego, buyer's remorse, feelings hurt, whatever. All I know is she isn't putting in **any** effort. I'm at the point in my life where I'm not playing that shit.

I have a similar situation. I banged a stripper a few weeks ago (/thread-11951...164.html). The sex was meh, mainly because I was hammered drunk. I told her to come over the following Tuesday and I'll make it up to her when I'm sober. She sounded up for it at the time (granted I was intoxicated so the details are a bit fuzzy). I sent her a message over FB the next day and asked for her phone number. Monday rolled around and I almost sent her a text saying something like "Hey, still coming over tomorrow?" but I thought better of it as it made me sound like a needy bitch. The offer was placed on the table Sunday. If she wanted to come back over then the ball was in her court. She could have reached out and made sure we were still on and/or asked for directions to my place.

Never heard from her. Ah well. Thanks for the notch, whore. She is a stripper so she already has an inflated ego...I'm not going to add to that.

Post: #9741

Women gonna women is right.

It's sad, girls wonder why they're single. This is why! She had wonderful tits and would be a great addition to the team, but she doesn't want to text back. Her loss.

Post: #9742

(04-25-2017 10:19 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Women gonna women is right.

It's sad, girls wonder why they're single. This is why! She had wonderful tits and would be a great addition to the team, but she doesn't want to text back. Her loss.

Bruh you tellin me. I meet this chick on a co-ed sports team. By far the most attractive woman on the team. She's the one I'm talking about in my post that I'm hoping to make jealous lol.

It's weird we all go out, me and her end up making out, she's telling me she's attracted to me and I say the same. Couldn't close the deal that night but had her number and she even seemed interested in hanging out in her texts. We agreed to hang out and watch some movies at my place then she goes ghost. Women... I honestly don't blame guys for going MGTOW cuz gaming women will frustrate the shit out of you if you aren't dealing with a bunch of them or have really tight inner game and self worth. If I wasn't already bald dealing with these bitches would make me pull my hair out.

I think it can be discouraging and annoying for guys to work so hard to get somethin started, the female expresses interest and verbally commits, then COMPLETELY ignores the guy. It still baffles my mind every time it happens lol I will never understand how women do this.

Post: #9743

Invited a girl over. Made a pretty decent dinner (ham, mashed potatoes and gravy and poached/brined asparagus). She was nervous and I went waaay out of my way making her comfortable. I put on my best Casanova routine, I honestly did my best. 2.5 hours dinner and chat. She has no work tomorrow, she had no later plans for tonight. Chill, movie time then.

Get halfway through a movie she dodges a kiss. Chill, I slow it down. She cuddles into me a little more after the dodge. I wait about 15 minutes and start light petting. I lightly move her chin up with the crux of my thumb/index. Heavy making out, spreading her ass through her clothes, pulling her into me. No objections so far so I get on top of her. Her body language is passive but she's putting effort into kissing and rubbing my head/back.

All going well so far. I pin her hands behind her head with one of mine but lightly. Light enough where she can twitch and move her hands so I can feel any resistance before it actually happens (thanks rsd todd). More making out this goes on for about 10m. With my free hand I try to undo the top button of her pants. Nope she jerks and removes my hand. Okay then.

Keep making out I can tell she's pretty turned on and still receptive do another 10 minutes of groping,light spanking, etc. I give a bit more dominant body language during this. I'm getting a little more aggressive but it's pretty toned down because I feel like she's a little more shy than my usual type and I'm not trying to scare her off. I stop, look her in the eyes for 2 seconds. I say "take your pants off". She says "here, get over there [spot where I was previously laying]". I look in her eyes and say "do you want me to get off of you" she says "yeah" i say "then you can ask nicely" her - "please" - me "okay".

Freeze out for 30 minutes. No touching. No talking. I move her into me again. She's good, liking it. Start kissing again. It's even better. Shes putting more effort in. Heavier petting, more grabbing, more spreading. Her body language is more responsive and it's actually feeling good and I don't have to think about what I'm doing. I go to start rubbing her vagina through her clothes she pulls my hand away and repeat that process again 10m later.

After I look her in the eyes and say "you're just not trying to have sex huh". She says "no, it's a long story" i say "tell me". She says "i have severe cysts that could like - pop. Sex makes it more likely". I say "you should probably leave then" "yeah?" "Yup". She just lays there for about 5 minutes. I tell her I'll get her things and follow her out to her car thanking her for having dinner with me. She looks really discouraged but manages to make a little eye contact before a hug and she's gone. Safety text out of habit, she says "yeah, thanks for dinner". Never seeing this one again.

Whether that shit was true or not I have had no luck breaking through the medical condition wall. None. 1 girl I used to bang it was interstitial cystitis (mysteriously went away after sex got better), one girl I used to bang it was a yeast infection (mysteriously went away after 2 days of me trying to fuck her. Yeast infections typically last longer). This one it was a condition I know nothing about and do not know how to combat. Either I fucked up seduction or she can't have sex. It's Tuesday at 11pm, fuck that. Go home, I did my best. She wasn't very good looking. I swear to god uglier girls are more difficult. Only girl I've cooked for and never banged, only girl i've got that far and never banged. Fucking bravo.

Post: #9744

(04-26-2017 01:46 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  I swear to god uglier girls are more difficult.

How about this for an explanation? Ugly girls are more interested in LTRs because they are not approached that much, and so will use sex as a means to get the guy tie down. Beautiful girls can get sex and or commitment without much of an effort, this being the reason why they dont consider sex that much of a deal. Or you just can say they are all crazy

Post: #9745

They are all crazy.

Post: #9746

I don't know what happened to my Tinder account but it has stopped giving me matches since I went back from Poland for Eastern. Somehow I think it has thrown me back in the rank line, maybe trying to make me a plus member.

This makes me want to stop using Tinder altogether and start going hard-core on daygame and start doing one approach per day. It is true online game has made me lazy because it is easy and constant pussy, but I feel I must stand up now and put in some real effort, at least for a couple of months.

Post: #9747

(04-25-2017 10:53 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  Bruh you tellin me. I meet this chick on a co-ed sports team. By far the most attractive woman on the team. She's the one I'm talking about in my post that I'm hoping to make jealous lol.

It's weird we all go out, me and her end up making out, she's telling me she's attracted to me and I say the same. Couldn't close the deal that night but had her number and she even seemed interested in hanging out in her texts. We agreed to hang out and watch some movies at my place then she goes ghost. Women... I honestly don't blame guys for going MGTOW cuz gaming women will frustrate the shit out of you if you aren't dealing with a bunch of them or have really tight inner game and self worth. If I wasn't already bald dealing with these bitches would make me pull my hair out.

I think it can be discouraging and annoying for guys to work so hard to get somethin started, the female expresses interest and verbally commits, then COMPLETELY ignores the guy. It still baffles my mind every time it happens lol I will never understand how women do this.

I won't harp on MGTOW anymore than I have to, but one of the things they lack is Abundance Mentality. They get discouraged when a girl rejects them; even though there are millions of other girls out there that would probably have sex with them. But they give up. They quit. And there is no reason to.

We think logically. If we put effort into something then logic tells us it will reward us. That's how the it works. But women don't speak this language, they let their emotions dictate their decision making. Things just 'happen'. For us, when we put effort into a project and the reward doesn't happen (i.e. pussy) it's frustrating because it makes no fucking sense. We're wasting our time trying to figure out why it didn't happen. The only true answer is to not concern ourselves with the reward, but to move on to another project that gives us the best chance at success. And if that doesn't work, on to the next.

Post: #9748

(04-26-2017 08:59 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I won't harp on MGTOW anymore than I have to, but one of the things they lack is Abundance Mentality. They get discouraged when a girl rejects them; even though there are millions of other girls out there that would probably have sex with them. But they give up. They quit. And there is no reason to.

I don't see anything wrong with that. A lot of em are guys who got fucked over in divorce or child support. If a guy's been around the block already and just decides not to play anymore I don't blame him.

I only question the teenage and 20 year old MGTOWs. A teenager has no business being MGTOW.

I think MGTOW has a connotation of pathetic depressed fat guys who watch porn and play videogames all day.

Some "MGTOW" still like sex they just refuse to have kids or settle down. So there's often overlap between MGTOW/Redpill/PUA.

I'm buff, socially active, good style, different hobbies, good game, extroverted, and have multiple women yet I consider myself MGTOW. Though I also consider myself "MGTOW" in that I don't plan on getting married ever, nor do I want kids.

Post: #9749

Got a date with an Instagram model. Matched on Bumble. 26, 9/9. We have strongly similar backgrounds. She seems like a good family girl. Told me she isn't looking for anything specific, is too busy to date much, so is trying Bumble. (My profile specifies much the same -- that I'm busy and if they are flexible, we'll get along.)

My strategy:
- Frame: strong, silent, intellectual, intriguing
- Tickle her brain (I'm nearly done with an MA in philosophy)
- Don't compliment her looks or IG spread

This girl will get a match every time she swipes right. I don't want to fuck this up. Anyone have experience with these amateur model girls?

Post: #9750

^ I dated a stripper who also did model work, and a couple other random good looking broads who also did "shoots". "Amateur model" is just what pretty girls call themselves when they have instagram accounts or get asked to have pictures taken of them from semi-pro photographers.

Don't pedestalize her like you are doing. She's just a girl. Also don't try to impress her with your philosophy knowledge. She's a 26 year old girl with a large instagram following and "is not looking for anything specific" - just have fun. Tease her a bit, get her laughing and qualifying herself. She has people groveling her constantly about how good looking she is and probably gets tons of fake-nice all day everyday. Be fun, be casual, be real, and most of all don't be anxious.

Think about the likelihood that she never talks to you again after your date and you will be onto the next girl. abundance my man. It's all about just having fun and living in the moment with these girls.