(04-17-2017 12:07 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote: Currently with most of those attacks you can assume the perpetrator to be Islam until proven innocent and it is actually some other group or lone psychopath. Specific attacks like car attacks are virtually 100% the domain of Islam - slaying children, women and pets.
The same goes for the wide application of acid attacks - this is a new enriching tradition in the UK.
I would disagree with you. With regard to it being Islam.
In this instance at least. In fact, in most instances, where we talk about 'those attacks' - I am assuming you are referring specifically to acid attacks.
The area where that took place is a hot-bed of multi-culturalism. You have a very large black population, but you also have turks and kurds, apart from indians and even some whites.
Using acid, or ammonia, is not a new tactic for gangs. It has been known about for decades. Some carry ammonia in a lemon jiffy container and call it 'squirt'. I don't know how the law is now, but for may years if you had a car and had that in the glove compartment, there was plausible deniability that you were using it to clean your windscreen.
Also, the use of corrosives is not an exclusively black or islam thing. Many whites know about this. There are some really nasty bastard whites as well, believe it or not, that would stab you and leave you for dead without a care in the world. But that area is predominantly black gang culture.
I used to live in London Fields (where this attack took place).
Just down the road is Clapton, otherwise known as the 'Murder Mile'. People get shot there all the time. It's a very nasty area, even Stoke Newington which is a hippy/lefty/muso/artist enclave can be troublesome at the wrong corner turn at the wrong time of night. It's not really an Islamic area though. Islam tends to behave itself when outnumbered by the even more vicious black gangs that pretty much rule everyone by their sheer numbers and ferocity.
The photo in the newpaper was that of a club with predominantly white people. It's true that the people of that area self-segregate. Whites don't go to black clubs, and most blacks don't go to white clubs. I'm not sure if I believe that photo, but I believe nothing from the press.
It may be that this was a white on white incident. Or more likely, a turk on kurd, or turk on white, or kurd on white attack. Generally speaking the kurds and the turks fight among themselves and white people get a pass. White people cause no trouble. They turn a blind eye when there is trouble. So they are not a threat. They are not involved in the heroin/drug trade as are the turks/kurds, so it's all good. The black gangs there tend to run more of the crack angle. Generalising of course, there is overlap.
The turks and kurds do fight with the blacks though, not just themselves.
Oh, I forgot to mention the biggest baddest gang at Stoke Newington police station - the police of course. They really don't like black people, and if you go in to the cop house there, and you are black, there is a good chance you won't come out. Absolutely frightening statistics of all those young buck blacks taking on the world, but suddenly, once in custody, deciding to throw themselves down the stairs, hang themselves, or just beat each other to death. You can find the statistics if you look, they are there. No prosecutions either, not one I don't think.
I think the most likely explanation is that the perp is known but it will never be said in public. It would cause too much outrage. There would be repercussions. It could very well be Islam, or a black gang member, a turk or a kurd, or even a white. The fact they have given no details shows us that they probably won't tell us now. This saves reprisals, but it also winds the public up, sows confusion and distrust and speculation, such as on this thread.
Someone in the community will know about this. This is how it works: in a weeks time, you will hear about another incident in the area. No one will know who did it of course, but it's just tit for tat. A week after that there will be more. If everyone is lucky, it dies down for a while until the next time. People are murdered every day there and you hear nothing about it. Blacks, kurds, turks, whites, all worthless and not worth mentioning.
But to blame this on Islam in the absence of all evidence, well, I would call that wild speculation. Does it matter at the end of the day? We all know how this story ends. The black gang and the kurd/turk gang warfare in East and North London are a separate issue, and one that is not going away. Islam is of course a problem as well, but very few of those mentioned subscribe to that particular death cult yet. They are too busy developing their own.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the Irish, but enough for now, let's just include them along with the whites I mentioned. Don't discount them though. Then again, I doubt they would ever use squirt or acid. They might shoot people or blow them up, but their mothers would give them a clip around their ears if they ever used such savagery.
It's been a while since I lived there. Things might have changed a lot. But I doubt they have changed for the better. I saw how it was all going when I left, and I think I have been vindicated to an extent. We are entering a new realm of barbarianism and savagery.
Tell you what Zel, if it was Islam, I'll eat my hat and the first round is on me - doubles!