Post: #176

Enigma, I'm also annoyed that rudebwoy didn't explain why he posted that link. But I took it as an example of an extremely long sentence of a convicted pedophile.

Post: #177

(03-28-2017 10:15 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Enigma, I'm also annoyed that rudebwoy didn't explain why he posted that link. But I took it as an example of an extremely long sentence of a convicted pedophile.

He got such a long sentence because he was 38, he raped multiple victims, several of the victims were under 12 (a worse crime, as Merenguero pointed out earlier), he abused them over a period of several years, and he recorded it (child porn).

The cases are nothing alike. The boys in Maryland aren't even charged with any age-related sex crimes.

Post: #178

(03-24-2017 03:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Quote:Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

Quote:On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

Post: #179

(03-28-2017 01:54 PM)Renzy Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 03:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Quote:Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

Quote:On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

Oh my, this is a pickle isn't it?

This requires a PHD in Victim Hiearchy Studies.

Two illegal latino immigrants vs a girl who got raped (or did she)?

If they allow the "intent" of the girl by using this information, that means no does not mean no and that we can't trust their testimony only?

Mental gymnastics will be very interesting to follow.

Post: #180

(03-26-2017 06:23 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 06:13 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  Is Tucker not understanding the law, or are you not understanding TV? Almost everything you complained about is good TV for his demographic. And how is he out of line asking for the fee? Just because you're not allowed to answer doesn't means others aren't allowed to ask. If the guy decides to get up on TV and raise questions about other people it's time to put on his big boy pants and be ready to deal with awkward questions himself.

Tucker was a history major. The other guy has a law degree.

Does the lawyer also have a degree in journalism? Because this doesn't appear to be a legal proceeding in a courtroom, it's an interview. A lawyer is certainly entitled to explain how a law works, but a journalist is also entitled to ask questions that reveal whether a particular law is good policy. That's part of the process where we change laws in a democracy. And the lawyer decided to willingly subject himself to these questions by volunteering for this

Post: #181

I'll try to explain how this works. Both of these guys presently have Preliminary Hearings scheduled. Sanchez's hearing is on April 14 and Montano's hearing is on March 31. There is more than a 99% chance that a Preliminary Hearing will not actually be held as to either Defendant. That's just the general practice. What will happen is that they will either be indicted prior to their Preliminary Hearings (highly likely) or the felony charges will be dropped and they will either be recharged with misdemeanors or the case will be dropped completely at the Preliminary Hearing (highly unlikely, but possible). The standard to get a grand jury indictment is very low. The state need only prove probable cause. If they are indicted, the case will be forwarded to Circuit Court.

Once the attorneys enter their appearances in Circuit Court, there will be a Scheduling Hearing, at which the court may set a Pre-Trial Hearing, a Motions Hearing, and a trial date. Other than a Motion for Grand Jury Testimony, the main type of Motion filed in cases such as this is the Motion for Suppression of Evidence. Such a Motion is generally used to keep the Defendant's statements, illegal searches, and seizures, and the fruits of any illegal searches out of evidence. I have not yet heard anything about any statements that the Defendants have made or about any searches. There may have been some D.N.A. evidence collected from the Defendants. The Defendant can always withdraw a previously filed Motion to Suppress if, during the discovery process, it is clear that there are no suppression issues. Plea offers may or may not be made at the Pre-Trial and/or Motions hearing. That depends on a number of factors, such as whether the main prosecutor handling the case is present at those hearings, how strong the state believes the evidence is, etc.

While the case is pending in Circuit Court, multiple prosecutors and probably one or more victim/witness coordinators will be interviewing and meeting with the alleged victim and other state witnesses. If the witness is uncooperative or for some reason, not credible, that can greatly affect the case going forward. The state can even choose to drop the case well in advance of the trial date. I've seen it happen. Many times. I'm not saying that it will definitely happen here, but it may.

Post: #182

(03-28-2017 01:54 PM)Renzy Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 03:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Quote:Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

Quote:On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

/

So now the story will be her boyfriend forced her to bang another man?

Post: #183

Any remote chance the alleged victim is here illegally? If so, would that change anyone's views on this case?

Edit: I read something that leads me to believe that there may be suppression issues in this case. One or both Defendants made statements to someone, likely the police. That in no way means that the statements were unlawfully obtained.

Post: #184

(03-28-2017 05:37 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Any remote chance the alleged victim is here illegally? If so, would that change anyone's views on this case?

As much as people are trying to paint Trump as Satan himself with regards to immigration enforcement, ICE isn't going to fuck with that girl that's a victim of a sexual assault (allegedly). You notice ICE agents went and picked up the dad of one of the accused, but they're not going to mess around with the girl or her family. That would be very inhumane in anyone's eyes, and if nothing else, it would give the sanctuary cities ammo to further claim that DHS actions will prevent aliens from reporting crimes against them.

It doesn't change my point of view. If the girl and her family are illegal, they're likely scared of the feds right now. But they shouldn't be.

Post: #185

^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigration benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

Post: #186

(03-28-2017 05:51 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigtatiom benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

I don't doubt that the defense will make a case using that, as they should be expected to (gotta try every angle right?).

What are you hearing about the suppression angle of the defendant's interviews? Is it that they might not have understood Miranda because of the language gap? The defense will always use this one when there's a case against illegals.

Post: #187

(03-28-2017 12:00 AM)Fisto Wrote:  You look like a little weasel too.

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I'm torn on this one. With rape, it is my belief that the second a female accuser tells many thing close to a lie, or there is evidence to support a lie, the whole thing is a lie.

I don't believe people that are in the country should enjoy the same rights as I've earned by birthright and my actions, but I don't think we should fry the illegals formrape either.

Fisto, how would you feel if the raper kids were in the USA on student visas?

Aloha!

Post: #188

(03-28-2017 05:56 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 05:51 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigtatiom benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

I don't doubt that the defense will make a case using that, as they should be expected to (gotta try every angle right?).

What are you hearing about the suppression angle of the defendant's interviews? Is it that they might not have understood Miranda because of the language gap? The defense will always use this one when there's a case against illegals.

All I have heard is that there were statements made. I don't at this point know the specifics as to the statements. The police here are way too well trained and too experienced with the Hispanic community to mess up the language, especially in a case such as this. I have seen language issues with regard to Miranda countless times in other places, including with the Federal Authorities. I saw a Federal Agent who was "fluent" in Spanish completely mess up Miranda and other parts of the confession and my client walked.

Here's what this bollocks wrote for the Defendant's responses to his questions. The line said "Fecha de nacimiento." He wrote "Morales, Mexico." First of all, the place is called Morelos, that particular place, at least, and second, he answered place of birth instead of birthdate. It doesn't get much easier than that.

Post: #189

(03-28-2017 06:02 PM)Kona Wrote:  With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Post: #190

(03-28-2017 06:08 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:02 PM)Kona Wrote:  With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

Post: #191

(03-28-2017 06:10 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:08 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:02 PM)Kona Wrote:  With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

I don't remember seeing a post from delicioustacos about drinking Busch and bleeding from his taint. But I drink a lot and I don't remember lots of things.

Was there a post from him saying this somewhere? I don't remember ever seeing it. I thought I was being original.

Post: #192

(03-28-2017 06:18 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:10 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:08 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 06:02 PM)Kona Wrote:  With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

I don't remember seeing a post from delicioustacos about drinking Busch and bleeding from his taint. But I drink a lot and I don't remember lots of things.

Was there a post from him saying this somewhere? I don't remember ever seeing it. I thought I was being original.

He uses the words "taint" and "shitpipe" very fluently, so he might have posted that somewhere.

Post: #193

(03-28-2017 06:18 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  He uses the words "taint" and "shitpipe" very fluently, so he might have posted that somewhere.

I've been using the word taint for decades. I'm fairly certain that the taco guy doesn't have a copyright on taint.

Post: #194

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pub...fac8c41c4e

This probably deserves its own thread, but it is somewhat interesting that it happened in the same community as the story in the original post in this thread. I don't understand the Mike Cernovich reference in the comments section. Mike has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Post: #195

(03-30-2017 03:45 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pub...fac8c41c4e

The most bizarre part of that story is the attorney drives a Kia Optima WTF!?!?!?!

Post: #196

Have you seen house prices in Montgomery county?

Post: #197

Snippet from above mentioned link to the article:

Quote:...
Prosecutor Mary Herdman argued that regardless of any previous consent the girl may have given to Montano, the act was not consensual and that the defendant and Sanchez Milian appeared to conspire together to commit the assault.

Herdman said the Montgomery County State's Attorney’s Office also has images of both Montano and Sanchez Milian flashing MS-13 gang signs.

MS-13 is a criminal gang with a growing presence in Montgomery County and other areas around Washington, D.C. Many of its members come from El Salvador or other Central American countries.

The attorneys for the defendant said they were not aware of the photos, and Andrew Jezic, an attorney for Sanchez Milian, told reporters outside the courthouse that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had detained his client and found no gang affiliations.
...

Deport their asses. Don't waste taxpayers' money to defend these illegal immigrants.

Post: #198

(03-31-2017 09:20 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Snippet from above mentioned link to the article:

Quote:...
Prosecutor Mary Herdman argued that regardless of any previous consent the girl may have given to Montano, the act was not consensual and that the defendant and Sanchez Milian appeared to conspire together to commit the assault.

Herdman said the Montgomery County State's Attorney’s Office also has images of both Montano and Sanchez Milian flashing MS-13 gang signs.

MS-13 is a criminal gang with a growing presence in Montgomery County and other areas around Washington, D.C. Many of its members come from El Salvador or other Central American countries.

The attorneys for the defendant said they were not aware of the photos, and Andrew Jezic, an attorney for Sanchez Milian, told reporters outside the courthouse that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had detained his client and found no gang affiliations.
...

Deport their asses. Don't waste taxpayers' money to defend these illegal immigrants.

Maybe not for this serious crime, but for minor stuff like DUI's putting illegals through the court process makes no sense. Just get them out.

Post: #199

(03-28-2017 05:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 01:54 PM)Renzy Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 03:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Quote:Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

Quote:On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

/

So now the story will be her boyfriend forced her to bang another man?

Some guys invite their buddies over to bang hoes.

With evidence like that rape has moved into the marital rape category.

At best she can only state that she changed her mind or did not consent to the other guy. If however it turns out that one of the guys made a recording of the whole act, then it is game over for her.

You know - sometimes bitches have to write off bad decisions.

Just as one famous second generation feminist said, that she had herself to blame after following a Hell's Angels gang and being gang-raped by them. “if you play with fire, you get burnt.”

She stated that this kind of freedom comes with risks.

That girl just found out that banging certain men comes with risks. If found that she fucked one of them and invited him over, then those guys should be barely punished even if she was actually raped. It is word against word and frankly you cannot believe her words in that instance.

Post: #200

It's incredible guys don't understand that tag teaming a girl without explicit interest ahead of the act, gets called rape much easier than otherwise. If I had to guess 90% of dubious rape cases involve multiple people. Sex with the ugly bro = rape.