I didn't watch the vid yet, but BBW means fat bishes, (big beautiful woman).
To that end, any man claiming he's successful at game because he's banged a ton of bottom of the barrel fat bishes is delusiona and his input has to be taken with a boulder of salt.

(03-26-2017 12:50 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 08:16 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 09:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  On the travel tip

Video picks up where he talks about dating for Black Men - in EE, Asia, and Latin America.

In a word? Good.

WIA

It's pretty good as long as you go to Cosmopolitan cities where there's lots of opportunity.

It's kind of funny when you think about the "two week" vacation that people rave about and plan for all year....
a 3-6 month vacation should really be the norm when it comes to dating in foreign countries...

3-6th month vacation as a norm?

I understand the forum elite may have a location independent lifestyle that allows this but thats just not feasible for 99% of the planet.

Once you hit the 6th month mark is that still a vacation?
You can likely establish residency at that point and may even have in country tax liability.

As far as that brotha who made that travel video, he has openly stated that his preference for women is BBWs. In other videos he has dropped hints that he is bisexual. Therefore, I can't take any of his dating advice for black men abroad seriously. The rest of his travel information seems solid though.

I know it's not going to be an option for people who work a 9-5 or have commitments such as kids, family etc. However if you want to date women in foreign countries
the only way is to either move to a foreign country or spend a couple months at a time traveling.

The two week vacation model is great for looking around and snapping a few pictures and maybe getting lucky. However it's not a substitute for staying
for an extended time.

That kind of lifestyle is attainable, it's just that most people have other priorities and aren't really motivated to pursue a travel location independent lifestyle...and all of the requirements...such as learning and investing in a business.

Most travel bloggers/youtubers aren't really focused on game. They're just regular people out seeing the sites...which makes them great for travel advice just not gaming advice....

(03-26-2017 10:07 AM)Moma Wrote:  Yea Apollo, her blog looks clean and has some nice points (I power skimmed through). To be frank though, guys are really trying to travel with smashing some exotic punany very near the top when it comes to motivation.

The hotels and the view is nice in that blog are lovely but many guys would be happy to smash some 9s and 10s (myself included) while swinging from a patchy hammock above a raging, black and red angry bed of killer mutant army ants.

haha I agree. Replace those lofty sunset views with pictures of bangin' hiphop/latin parties, hot chicas and the latest daygaming spots and you've got a winning combination...
it's a recipe for modern datasheet....

(03-25-2017 07:11 PM)Moma Wrote:  So in the case, I guess awareness AND rising above that awareness beats non awareness, right? Some black guys have come from countries where race isn't a fact or (since it's an all black country). So by the time they reach North America, it's too late to be fazed by the racial baggage and current racial pre-conceptions that one may try and heap onto them.

But for a black guy that is aware of the issues AND has healed himself of those concerns, does he end up doing better than the guy who chops through the bush blissfully unaware?

You asked a really dope a question. I think that doing better is relative, hence why game is such a broad subject. But for us, as melinated men, our ideas of success have been molded my many external factors. To some it may be never compromising yourself for a woman of a different background. If you have an african last name, you don't anglicize it blend in at a club. If she can't pronounce or tries to give you a stupid nick name instead of the effort required to learn your name, your happy to walk away from that 10. However sometimes the knowledge of self can be such a burden because it takes the rose coloured glasses of bliss away and you realize how many different ways there are to be at a disadvantage.

(03-26-2017 02:24 AM)the high Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.

As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.

When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.

Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.

I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.

I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.

Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc. To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.

I can't speak for anyone else but when I talk about tailoring your style to your demographic, it 's more knowing your audience than trying to make people forget your Black (virtually impossible). Even if you exclusively talk to Black women you should still be cognizant of the effect your style has on them, as they respond to certain types of things as well.

On a related note, I think a forum like this that caters to Black men would be dope. Imagine a everything else forum where we could talk about Ivan Van Sertima and Claude Anderson.

Don't forget Dr. Umar Johnson.

I agree. Sex, dating, game is a market that is exactly like sports. Prejudices or preferences that would be denied in the break room are laughed about or written in all caps on dating profiles. Many times in the marketplace women are discussed as buyers fielding would be propositions from a potential buyer, and the the buyer (man), tries to make his proposition as air tight as possible. I'm not denying that reality. However I was speaking to something much more broad than just that, I was speaking to a theme on a approval seeking through viewing YT women or the women closest on the social hierarchy as a prize and compromising to acquire "the trophy"

(03-26-2017 12:31 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:08 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  Lmao at beastiality, I spat out my drink. A lot the time I feel we are trying to be seen not as equal but safe. AKA "look, I'm not like them". You see it all the time in the manosphere as well even with black men and the white counterparts where theres this desire to be accepted as the kosher negro. "Oh I don't like rap music", "Oh I wear suits", "I hate BLM too". It's a pandering more than an equalness. In a broad sense it communicates subservience like a golden retriever, even if everyone in the room in smiling in your approval after those comments.

To bring it back to the context of game, The pedalstool comes through in the desire and constant research to be a comfy addition to said YT womans life or maybe even an asian, indian woman with an envy for the YT woman's lifestyle and social status, that has adapted the same dispostion towards us and our culture(s). I know for a fact the Beckys aren't gathered on any forum trying to genuinely make us feel comfortable or adapt complex hobbies to get near us. At most they want to know the address of the surgeon that did work on the Kardashians so they can get their own hersheys bar to parade around on instagram.


The white dudes in the Philippines thread don't ask a lot of the questions we do. Many show up in board shorts and flip flops looking to capitalize on a status level they have, that in order to understand, you'd have to be familiar with a lot of history. Once your familiar in that sense you can understand why a dude with a potbelly, ingrown toenails and a pension can stumble into 10 plus notches.

I don't think we are trying to pander that was the point of my comment on the aggressiveness. Any player has an aggressiveness to his game to be successful. Girls don't want us as a "comfy" addition to their lives they want what they have been spoonfed (like WIA said: social conditioning) about black males. Over aggression, hyper sexual, very personal game. I was saying that we have a pass to really over do it in how bold we can be pushing the envelope forward in our approaches, what we say, and our body language. When we don't do these things girls find themselves disappointed that what they watched in some damn music video did not occur. They curve us and seek out another male to give them the black experience:

I disagree, I think many dudes (not you specifically) are pandering and I explained a variety of ways, from how questions about clothing are asked to how they pick hobbies and interests. Theres way to push fashion forward without doing so in a way that conveys supplication to an anti-urban, anti-hiphop agenda.

The perception as over aggressive came way before MTV Video Box, before Blaxplotation films, and even in eras where BM wore suits everyday, thats why I talked about the importance of historical context in my explanation and provided some, especially in my responses to RudeBwoy and WIA.

A matter of fact either, RudeBwoy or Moma gave the perfect example earlier in this thread about a woman who dropped him off, and when she saw he wasn't living in a shack, her interest waned. The narrative died for her and so did the tingles.

When the YT woman doesn't get the fantasy she wanted, you're not the exciting cheetah she was expecting, your a sedated calf at the zoo, and thats not what the show she paid for.

Side note: The best discussion on this forum happens in this thread. Hands down.

(03-26-2017 01:51 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  I didn't watch the vid yet, but BBW means fat bishes, (big beautiful woman).
To that end, any man claiming he's successful at game because he's banged a ton of bottom of the barrel fat bishes is delusiona and his input has to be taken with a boulder of salt.

Co-sign. Remember a lot of the times these bitches feel very comfortable approaching BM because of how loosely thick is passed around in present day.

Approach move from last night:

Saw this girl I thought I knew from my college days and went full on violation of personal space. Walking on the side walk heading to a bar and she was walking towards me in the opposite direction. Stuck my head/neck out right in front of her face like I recognized her (I thought I did lol) she smiled and said hi.

I was kind of surprised she didn't recognize me and asked her what her name was and it turned out to be a different girl. I told her she was going the wrong direction (away from the bar I was going to) she said she was going home.
Told her she looked exactly like this girl that was a fellow athlete from my college days. Then in perfect timing another girl that was a track and field girl walks by and recognizes me then thinks she recognizes her. She makes the same mistake I made and calls her the other girls name--pretty sure it all helped.
I eventually got her number.

Approach move:

Night game
Silent pathway block using face-to-face surprise like you know the girl. Make sure you stop her. Ask her her name. Then say she looks like blah blah blah from blah blah blah. Game accordingly

(03-26-2017 06:47 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  Approach move from last night:

Saw this girl I thought I knew from my college days and went full on violation of personal space. Walking on the side walk heading to a bar and she was walking towards me in the opposite direction. Stuck my head/neck out right in front of her face like I recognized her (I thought I did lol) she smiled and said hi.

I was kind of surprised she didn't recognize me and asked her what her name was and it turned out to be a different girl. I told her she was going the wrong direction (away from the bar I was going to) she said she was going home.
Told her she looked exactly like this girl that was a fellow athlete from my college days. Then in perfect timing another girl that was a track and field girl walks by and recognizes me then thinks she recognizes her. She makes the same mistake I made and calls her the other girls name--pretty sure it all helped.
I eventually got her number.

Approach move:

Night game
Silent pathway block using face-to-face surprise like you know the girl. Make sure you stop her. Ask her her name. Then say she looks like blah blah blah from blah blah blah. Game accordingly

Next Gen game move: Hire a girl to come in 5 minutes mid-approach say the girl looks like ....

(03-26-2017 05:58 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  I disagree, I think many dudes (not you specifically) are pandering and I explained a variety of ways, from how questions about clothing are asked to how they pick hobbies and interests. Theres way to push fashion forward without doing so in a way that conveys supplication to an anti-urban, anti-hiphop agenda.

A matter of fact either, RudeBwoy or Moma gave the perfect example earlier in this thread about a woman who dropped him off, and when she saw he wasn't living in a shack, her interest waned. The narrative died for her and so did the tingles.

When the YT woman doesn't get the fantasy she wanted, you're not the exciting cheetah she was expecting, your a sedated calf at the zoo, and thats not what the show she paid for.

Side note: The best discussion on this forum happens in this thread. Hands down.

LOL - that was me. The interest did not wane, it died completely.

I don't take it personal, as I know it is part of the game. I actually see it as a compliment, when she sees you have certain things (body, clothes, smarts) she then becomes insecure.

Of course I don't agree with pandering to ANY woman, I also don't want to come across as some militant pro black NOI black dude.

Like Archie said, I like women. I like women of all shades and races, plus I see more of them curious about black men these days.

Someone mentioned Kim K earlier, I hear a lot of women talking about her and probably secretly wish they were her.
Women love fashion, so I think sometimes they view black men as a fashion accessory.

Again, it is all a game my friends.

Treat it that way and don't take it personal.

(03-26-2017 06:53 PM)Iso Wrote:  Next Gen game move: Hire a girl to come in 5 minutes mid-approach say the girl looks like ....

Better yet a solid wing woman thats not gunna get all peanut butter and jealous

Interesting debate regarding expectations vs. reality of black men from the perspective of the YT community. Maybe my story relates:

A couple weeks ago, a buddy of mine invited me to his birthday celebration at a cafe/bar he works at. I used to be a regular at this place so I enjoy going there since I know most the staff and half the time I drink for free. Once I get there, I chop it up with some people I know and we reminisce on old times. While talking, I notice a tall Dutch girl (I'm actually quite short) looking at me. I look back at her, she is slim and cute so I make a mental note to keep an eye on her. As I move around in the place, I noticed that she is continuously checking me out, so later in the night I go over to spit game.

I opened with "you look as bored as I feel", which was true since we both were into more the hip hop scene and the place we were in was very 'white'. Your typical stuff, introduce myself, show value, then go on to building comfort/attraction. Found out she was an aspiring oncologist, studying up in Amsterdam, the more I spoke to her, the more interesting she became. Which is rare, as I find most Dutch girls to be boring but this girl and I seemed to be connecting so well. Because it seemed to be going so well I suggest we meet up for coffee/drinks sometime, to which she replied that she is seeing someone that she really likes and wants to pursue that relationship.

To be honest, I can't even be mad. Halfway through the conversation, I figured a chick this cool and attractive could not be single and I ended up being right. So it wasn't much of a surprise when she told me she was taken. However, what was surprising to me was that she was constantly staring at me earlier, even though she had a boyfriend. After I moved on, I of course was in my own head trying to critique and learn from this set.

I came upon two conclusions: 1. My game wasn't tight enough, even though I felt I did the right things. 2. Her initial staring wasn't out of attraction, but instead out of curiosity. This needs further context... This birthday party was in an area that was traditionally just white Dutch people, so of course the party was 99% white people. I am a dark skinned brotha so I definitely stick out in places like these, and it may be something to take into account when it comes to gaming. I only mention this because it has happened to me several times before, however, if my game was tighter maybe I could leverage this for my own advantage...

Later on at the birthday party mentioned in the above post, I went over to talk to another group of girls. I opened up a Portuguese girl and we ended up talking for a while. Right from the start, I could tell she wasn't interested in speaking to me but I pushed through anyway. From the look in her eyes, it was obvious she wasn't attracted to me but thankfully I have learned some game from this forum. Going back to the game vs. looks debate, physical looks are definitely important but if you have any semblance of game, you can make some progress. First thing that helped me is 'social circle' game, she was friends with the birthday boy's girlfriend. So I wasn't just some random brotha hitting on her. Second, I've adopted the game lessons I have learned here into my conversation with others and that has helped immensely.

Although I could tell she wasn't initially attracted, I was able to pique her interest through the conversation. At the end of the night, when the place was closing, she kind of took off with her friends and didn't really bother with trying to exchange information. I figured it was only natural so I didn't sweat it that much. Although, on my way out I did bump into her and as a last ditch effort, gave her my number. I wasn't expecting much but my mindset is "fuck it", what's the worse that can happen.

Well, a few days after the party and I still don't receive a text from the Portuguese girl. Chalked that up as an L and moved on. Or so I thought... About a week later she actually sends me a text through whatsapp and asks what I'm up to. I answer a few hours later because I was actually busy writing my Thesis, and game theory supposedly states that I should be aloof and not text back right away (which may have been a mistake). Of course, she doesn't text back and I delete and next her.

Of course, in my critique of this situation I would normally classify this as a loss due to me having poor game. However, I believe my interaction with this girl requires a different interpretation of the outcome. I see this as a small victory. From her body language the night I met her, it seemed clear she wasn't interested. However, through game (displaying SMV) I was able to plant a small seed in her mind, which culminated in her actually reaching out to me. Unfortunately, I just wasn't able to capitalize....

Would you gents agree with this assessment or do you have a different opinion?

(03-27-2017 03:28 AM)Fury Wrote:  To be honest, I can't even be mad. Halfway through the conversation, I figured a chick this cool and attractive could not be single and I ended up being right. So it wasn't much of a surprise when she told me she was taken. However, what was surprising to me was that she was constantly staring at me earlier, even though she had a boyfriend. After I moved on, I of course was in my own head trying to critique and learn from this set.

I came upon two conclusions: 1. My game wasn't tight enough, even though I felt I did the right things. 2. Her initial staring wasn't out of attraction, but instead out of curiosity. This needs further context... This birthday party was in an area that was traditionally just white Dutch people, so of course the party was 99% white people. I am a dark skinned brotha so I definitely stick out in places like these, and it may be something to take into account when it comes to gaming. I only mention this because it has happened to me several times before, however, if my game was tighter maybe I could leverage this for my own advantage...

Man, this is a great post. I think i'll answer it at work.

I could give you tactics but

   

Philosophy is missing
Mindset is missing
Strategy is missing
Tactics are missing.

But these are EASY things to fix.

WIA

^^Art of war! Still need to read that book

(03-27-2017 03:28 AM)Fury Wrote:  I opened with "you look as bored as I feel", which was true since we both were into more the hip hop scene and the place we were in was very 'white'. Your typical stuff, introduce myself, show value, then go on to building comfort/attraction. Found out she was an aspiring oncologist, studying up in Amsterdam, the more I spoke to her, the more interesting she became. Which is rare, as I find most Dutch girls to be boring but this girl and I seemed to be connecting so well. Because it seemed to be going so well I suggest we meet up for coffee/drinks sometime, to which she replied that she is seeing someone that she really likes and wants to pursue that relationship.

I don't know about you but that shit is where I fuck up repeatedly when I find an interesting girl. Shit is rare man in and it probably shows up all over my face if I had to guess. I think she probably caught you feeling that way and realized she had won.
Also of note on GLL (good looking loser) he talks about sexually available vs sexually unavailable girls
https://www.goodlookingloser.com/more/ar...ers-game//
Sometimes man they just don't feel like it no matter how tight your game is.

Good post on the meta game.

https://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2017/03/the-metagame/

@Fury

What you needed to do was trade conversation for compliance. She got all the juice from you without having to give up a thing.

How you structure it

See
Approach
Attention
First words
Talk 90/10
She opens
Conversation is now 50/50

This is called the social hook point. (What the gurus call it)

If she wants to bang you at this point, it's not game. She just likes you for you.

THIS IS NOT A BAD THING.

She will show you sexual submission signs at this point, and the game is really to build trust and get her out of the immediate area and to a place where you can get biblical. Keep in mind, this is entirely on *her* terms, and that desire can wane.

But more often than not, the chick is just having a good discussion. Sex isn't on the table.

So in most cases, you can ask for the number here, and maybe get it - but an enjoyable conversation doesn't get her pussy wet.

When you have game, when you understand the mind, the situation, the possibility - you know that this is not where you want the interaction to go.

1) Her situation

The player gets her situation, her logistics. Boyfriend? cool! But where are you going tonight? You working in the morning? I know a place close by. You live by yourself?

If it looks good, he continues.
If it looks iffy, he turns her into a friend/pawn/pivot.

You never want to heat a chick up but not deliver.

2) The player pushes the chick to the sexual hook point.

How?

This is where i see a lot of the red pill mouth breathers misunderstand indirect game.

They get to this point in the interaction and then they start trying to ask her to go home.

Sometimes the boldness works - not because it was timed well, but because suddenly the idea of fucking sounds great.

There are a lot of "whatever works", "by any means necessary" players out there - but if it's not predictable - it's not solid game.

Often the chick was just having a nice little convo with some random dude and this is the social equivalent of pulling out your dick expecting her to suck.

Now the sequence here is

First, get her situation. If it's bad, get her # and move. If it's good,, pull out the big guns

Second is use the big guns

The big gun here is that for your end of the conversation to continue, she has to start doing things to get it.
She has to start trying to get your attention.
She has to start seeking your validation.

When the roles change, from you stepping up, getting her attention, opening you, her talking 90% to get you back into 50/50 - that's when you have her.

When two people realize that they have something in common, and can go back and forth about it - that is a resource. But it alone doesn't get you laid.

You need that psychological component.

"I hear you Archie, but how do we go from talking about Drake to her sucking my dick?"

So if the chick is primed on the Rick Ross album convo, and you start playing keep away with her on the topic - you then need to get her to talk about things conducive to you and her fucking.

That could be external things like love, sex, and relationships, or it could be about "intense" feelings. Bunch of stuff been written about this.

But this point after the social hook, after you start rationing the conversation to shift it to stuff where her mind is on sex, but she's feel free and not constrained - this is really where the magic happens.

So what needed to happen here was
- you got her situation early in the convo
- if bad, she's a friend
- if good, condition your part of the conversation on what she does to get you to keep interacting
- keep it up until her clothes are on the floor

Thanks for this scenario, because I think this is the first time I've really expressed the psychological and conversational sequence

WIA

^Mufasa, the "interesting girl" thing is still an issue for me too. Something I tell myself (or hell, I should tell myself) is that the "bad" of getting invested in a chick's interesting convo (devolving from game and just chatting, thinking you two are on some sort of special ultra light beam) outweighs the good (avoiding being slotted into the no-bang category).

I mean, even after a chick shows herself to be an interesting conversationalist, you want to bang her more, not just be content with chatting with her into perpetuity.

I was at a black club with a female friend on saturday, and my hope was that simply by having her around, women would pick up on that. social proof

So I opened a set of three black women sitting at a table. I don't remember what exactly I said, probably something about the music, and we just chopped it up about two stepping. It was three sisters and the oldest one is who I opened. She then introduced me to the other two

They were all smiles, which I thought was good, and then the lady said next time I see a group of women, I should introduce myself.

It wasn't an insult -- at least I didn't feel offended. But the lesson I learned is that in this situation, trust was an issue for the woman I opened.

I will say that i wasn't tryna smash. I just didn't know anyone at the club and wall flowering is so uncomfortable, I had to talk to somebody.

Later I was asking the bartender about their drink special. There was a group of three women sitting at the bar -- Beckies. they were dressed casually (hair up in a bun, regular make up, bomber jacket and jeans), so I'm thinking okay, they're probably doing a girl's night, so why bother?

so i go up to ask about drinks with no intention on conversing...and then shorty closest to me starts telling me which drink she got.

i gave her a confused look and asked "why'd you get that drink?" that got her defending her drink choice.

the other two are talking, so she and I get to chatting, I order my drink. we are talking, but it dies quickly. i did find out that becky #1 wasn't even friends with becky #3 -- they just both knew becky #2. it was her first night at this particular spot even though she lived in the area for a few years.

looking back, I would have asked more about their plan for the night. I ejected too early because I figured three girls, they're probably doing their girl thing.

One way that I could have subtly screened for her independence from the group and her compliance with me would have asking her to stand up. you see, the beckies were sitting at the bar. I was standing when I ordered my drink, and after I got it, I sat down to talk with blonde girl. and becky #3 kept looking at me, so working with becky #1 might have opened her up more to me.

Rest of the night was chill, one girl iniatwd a conversation with me by saying i was doing the dance wrong. i just shrugged my shoulders. how would some of y'all had handled a woman telling you that you're not supposed to smile when you dance?

I wasn't offended, I was more thinking: well, I guess I'm doing it wrong then, I ain't gonna stop tho!

Thought I'd share my experiences since people are saying less theory

The two groups required group game.

The chick womansplaining how to dance was commenting on your virility, and you could have went with that

Basically you need a plan other than to chat and see where it goes.

WIA

BB - sounds like you had a good time.

Lots of opportunity to approach different women, which is a great thing.

So these beckies were at the black club? Isn't that usually a lay-up or a great sign.

I think I need a good woman wingman, I don't really keep women as friends.
However, one thing I have noticed is that women seem to have a bit more loyalty to each other than men.

(03-24-2017 06:01 PM)Moma Wrote:  An <insert family member> told me this, anytime you go outside, even just to grab the mail, assume you are going to a club or some major event. Even if you go to throw out some rubbish, you need to look on point. You never know. Hence, I agree with what this guy is saying about looking on point.

This is a old school way of thinking.

I always seem to meet gals or have opportunity to game girls, when I don't look my best.

Some crazy karma.

(03-27-2017 11:52 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what needed to happen here was
- you got her situation early in the convo
- if bad, she's a friend
- if good, condition your part of the conversation on what she does to get you to keep interacting
- keep it up until her clothes are on the floor

WIA

@WIA,

Once again, thanks for the insight.

I read that article you referenced about metagame and this quote instantly stood out to me, "Maintaining a well-balanced strategy, while deciphering your opponents' strategies, is the key to the metagame". 'Strategy' is the reoccurring theme, as you also referenced Sun-Tzu's quote earlier in your initial response to my post. I definitely have to restructure my approach...


In regards to strategy, I have a question about one of your aforementioned steps (in bold). I'm not quite sure I follow. In conversation, how do I incentivize her to
keep me interacting? Would I purposely redirect any question asked of me (during the 90/10 phase) back to her?

@ WIA: are you suggesting I go into a conversation with the intent to hit on specific topics?

@ rudebwoy: yeah there were a handful. but these were the kind of beckies that are more experienced with brothas. i'm talking fila-wearing, hoop earring, muffin-top beckies lol. lowkey they require more game for me than a SWPL becky bc they've been w brothas before tho

but there i go stereotyping

as to the female friends thing...have you been burned by one or two before?

Oh those kind of white girls, they still wear fila tops and hoop earrings!

Isn't talking to white girls in a black club a faux pas?

No I haven't been burned by having females friends, they are "friends" for a reason but they tend to take a liking to me and that complicates things.

I also think having a close female friend gives you intel into how women really think.

Fury y Basket, you may want to see WIA's ''what is this game thingy anyway'' thread.

Its pure game gold.

You know better than I do about this particular girl, but if you were talking about music,

At a high point of debating Tupac and Biggie, you say that reminds you of a time when...

You're "cutting a conversational thread short"

Then you explore the new topic.
"The first time I heard The 10 Crack Commandments was when I was in Gdansk...have you ever been to Poland?...naw I barely know you, I don't want to talk about that"

If Poland fails, you go back to music.

You will find other commonalities, and keep them alive by cutting them short. And you bait her with stuff that she HAS to respond to.

She should be speaking first, volunteering, trying to get you into her conversation.

Either you switch topics, withhold information, or talk over her bad topics - but the content is not the key, it's your behavior.

Pushing her away verbally,, pulling her in verbally, and then stopping - you become extremely fun to talk to, fun to listen to...

And when you stare off, stop interacting with her, she's going to want that back.

But now you start getting her to do stuff for you, answer this, answer that, move here, move there..

To get your conversation, she has to work for it.
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