Post: #201

Flat earthers deserve to be laughed at until they start disproving the laws of physics which demand that the earth is round. I kind of get how some people like to use it as a mental excercise, but flat earthers haven't earned the right to be taken seriously.

Post: #202

(03-22-2017 09:56 PM)Repo Wrote:  Flat earthers deserve to be laughed at until they start disproving the laws of physics which demand that the earth is round. I kind of get how some people like to use it as a mental excercise, but flat earthers haven't earned the right to be taken seriously.

They are idiots at best and distractions made to make other "truthers" of other kinds look bad at worst.

You can charter a Gulfstream to go from Buenos Airea to Perth and blow apart the stupidity. It has been done many times.

The real issue is none of the flat earthers can afford a charter, not even from their mothers basement to Sandusky.

Post: #203

(03-22-2017 10:51 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  You can charter a Gulfstream to go from Buenos Airea to Perth and blow apart the stupidity. It has been done many times.

The real issue is none of the flat earthers can afford a charter, not even from their mothers basement to Sandusky.

Sigh. I keep trying to leave this thread.

If you go to the websites that show real-time flight positions of airplanes around the world, aircraft making transoceanic flights in the southern hemisphere will disappear from the map once they're 10 minutes past the coast and over the water, whereas in the northern hemisphere you see them the whole way across. I tried it myself.

What does this mean? I don't know. But Flat-Earthers aren't necessarily basement-dwelling retards. Many of their points are indeed curious, even compelling, and deserve a fair debate. Not all of their claims display breathtaking ignorance, only some. Fair-minded men will tend to focus on the claims, and not what easy targets the proponents. are.

The entire history of science is a series of people who had genuine reasons to believe they were right, but who were later proven wrong (well, plus all the establishment interests telling scientists what they had better report). It's not unthinkable that even some of the most popular and lasting "scientific" beliefs today will one day be disproven.

Post: #204

So what are you saying? That the entire airline industry is in on this conspiracy? I suppose the entire shipping industry would also have to be in on it. What a surprise the truth never came out in any of the world wars. What is stopping you from taking one of these flights?

Post: #205

(03-22-2017 11:39 PM)Repo Wrote:  So what are you saying? That the entire airline industry is in on this conspiracy? I suppose the entire shipping industry would also have to be in on it.

There is no need for that many people to be "in on the conspiracy".

Just because you command a certain machine doesn't mean you know exactly how everything inside it works. When a plane has technical problems it isn't the pilot that goes underneath, opens panels, and starts fixing things....it''s another dude who (while highly skilled at his mechanical & technical job) has no idea how to fly and land the damn thing.

You have a smartphone right ? They tell you that the signal goes via cell phone towers and then via satellites in space. Maybe you are in the tiny minority of men who can fix a smartphone if it is broken....but I doubt you can do jack shit about the signal tower or that satellite they tell you is in space.

My point is, with all complex knowledge (and especially technology) at a certain point you have to accept things on a sort of "faith". The faith being the basis in which other people tell you things work, which you can't always verify yourself even if you wanted to.

Post: #206

(03-22-2017 11:28 PM)Hoser Wrote:  Sigh. I keep trying to leave this thread.

Don't leave bro...it's just starting to get interesting and lively in this thread, after being dead for years.

(03-22-2017 11:28 PM)Hoser Wrote:  If you go to the websites that show real-time flight positions of airplanes around the world, aircraft making transoceanic flights in the southern hemisphere will disappear from the map once they're 10 minutes past the coast and over the water, whereas in the northern hemisphere you see them the whole way across. I tried it myself.

What does this mean? I don't know.

It could mean that the real reason they never found Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 despite 3 years of nonstop searching, is that it was totally destroyed when it crashed into the flat earth dome firmament on its way towards antarctica.


It remains the only large airplane in history (with over 200 passangers) to vanish entirely from the face of the earth.

Post: #207

What is the argument of the flat earthists for flying? Why does planes fly not in straight line but they fly like in radius?

If you don't know what I mean, I refer to some pictures of flat earth I saw where they pictured that planes don't have straight A to B point travel.

Other questions:

1. What is diameter of flat Earth?

2. Is Bermuda triangle phenomena connected to flat Earth?

3. Have pilots saw firmament or gone near it?

Post: #208

(03-23-2017 03:38 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What is the argument of the flat earthists for flying? Why does planes fly not in straight line but they fly like in radius?

If you don't know what I mean, I refer to some pictures of flat earth I saw where they pictured that planes don't have straight A to B point travel.

Other questions:

1. What is diameter of flat Earth?

2. Is Bermuda triangle phenomena connected to flat Earth?

3. Have pilots saw firmament or gone near it?

I only know of some theories related to question 3.

Under the flat earth model, to reach the firmament you would either have to fly really far to antarctica, or fly really, really high where those zero gravity airplanes reach.

Some flat earth believers point to the US Nuclear tests of 1962 called "Operation Fishbowl" as when serious tests were done on the so called firmament:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl


According to some flat earth believers, at the time of those 1962 tests the US discovered that they could not destroy the firmament, but it WAS possible to bounce energy and/or Radio/TV signals off it.

Post: #209

Interesting theory. Btw, when I asked you for flying paths, I thought of this:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/foru...ic=64740.0

This is discussion on official flat Earth forum regarding flight paths.

Post: #210

Why would they lie to us about earth being round instead of flat?

What do they gain by telling us world is round?

Post: #211

(03-23-2017 08:35 AM)Rossi Wrote:  Why would they lie to us about earth being round instead of flat?

What do they gain by telling us world is round?

This was addressed on pages 6 and 7 of this thread.

(03-23-2017 08:13 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Btw, when I asked you for flying paths, I thought of this:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/foru...ic=64740.0

This is discussion on official flat Earth forum regarding flight paths.

Following flight paths is a very interesting topic. The maps and lines on that link are worth further investigation.
Pilots have very strict criteria on altitudes they must stick to, and flight paths they MUST follow.
As a commercial pilot, you don't get any room to do "experiments" to test theories.
A private pilot with his own airplane might have a bit more leeway, but not much, as you must follow international rules so you do not endanger other airplanes.

As 911 pointed out on page 5 (and as you can verify by going on official airline websites to buy a non-stop direct ticket) it does take a few hours longer to fly from Australia to Canada than it does from Australia to South America on a direct non-stop flight, which seems to disprove flat earth completely.

In this case, we would have to look at something more tangible to see if they are really travelling the shortest distance possible when flying from australia, such as by looking at fuel consumption of the airplane, which as a passenger, is unlikely you will ever get the chance to investigate properly.

Post: #212

If anything, flat earthers are a great example of how if you use an assortment of logical fallacies and dodge hard questions, anyone can make an argument for anything.

Boats have entire crews of people who know exactly what is going on Merc, and even for planes that argument holds no weight at all. Pilots may not be engineers but they have a pretty damn good idea of what is going on.

Post: #213

(03-23-2017 10:13 AM)Repo Wrote:  If anything, flat earthers are a great example of how if you use an assortment of logical fallacies and dodge hard questions, anyone can make an argument for anything.

Here's a "hard question" that round earthers like to dodge:

Why is there not one single video of the entire globe earth rotating for a full 24 hours ? All we get are some lousy shots from the international space station showing a tiny top half of the earth "moving" and curiously no stars and no satellites anywhere to be seen in the black "space" portion.

They can show us planets, stars and galaxies light years away, but a simple continuous unbroken 24 hour live shot of the earth doing one full rotation is impossible ?

Post: #214

Because there is not a reason to do that, and it would cost a shit ton of money. You realise that you would have to put up a satelite at a specific orbit for that, right?

Post: #215

@repo. I'd say something is odd and curious then. Why the selective disinterest in the earth by NASA in that instance?
There's a 8,7 billion USD telescope due to be launched in 2018. Space is big business and NASA has a monopoly. That's besides the point. Relative to an 8,7 bill. 'scope that can see a bumblebee from over 200 000 miles away, it wouldn't cost much to have one satellite focused on planet earth, to give us the above-mentioned 24 hour exposure.

Post: #216

Its not odd or curious. Nasa already knows Earth is round, so why would it spend millions on this? Why would you expect them to when they have already have left the Earth and saw for themselves? Geez even if I was a flat earther that is not a point I would ever bring up because the answer is so obvious.

Post: #217

Well let's just take NASA's word for it because they hold a monopoly? That's not the purpose of this thread.

Post: #218

Right thats why I wondered why you/merc brought it up since even if they did provide the 24 hour feed you would just claim it could be fake anway.

Post: #219

(03-23-2017 10:23 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:13 AM)Repo Wrote:  If anything, flat earthers are a great example of how if you use an assortment of logical fallacies and dodge hard questions, anyone can make an argument for anything.

Here's a "hard question" that round earthers like to dodge:

Why is there not one single video of the entire globe earth rotating for a full 24 hours ? All we get are some lousy shots from the international space station showing a tiny top half of the earth "moving" and curiously no stars and no satellites anywhere to be seen in the black "space" portion.

They can show us planets, stars and galaxies light years away, but a simple continuous unbroken 24 hour live shot of the earth doing one full rotation is impossible ?

Merc, what kind of education have you had bro? Did you go to college, take calculus, or other science classes? Do you have cognitive skills issues that have kept you from understanding maths or physics? Your lack of basic science knowledge makes you vulnerable to manipulations like FE. You've become a useful idiot for the dark side.

I've met online a few other honest FE victims, but they were all women who were into pseudoscience (new age crap like crystals and so forth, reptilians etc). You're the first man I came across that bought FE.

I think that's a bit depressing, and that's precisely the goal of this kind of psyop cognitive infiltration, to sow discord, separate the dumbest segment of the conspiracy community and use them to destroy the brand.

I can answer your asinine question, but at this point what good is it, you're going to get trolled with the next set of dumb FE questions and their incredibly contorted set of beliefs. You WANT to believe, will follow a heuristic that will get you there, like the cat who always finds his way home.

You are Dubay's bitch, con artists/cult leaders like him get a huge thrill from being able to deceive people. They'd be great salespeople, but they're sociopaths who get a kick out of scamming people. It's part of his craft, that's what magick is all about.

It's like some people in industrialized countries have devolved into primitives who believe in cargo cults and giant dragons and turtles holding the world, it's kind of troubling.

Post: #220

(03-23-2017 12:12 PM)brick tamland Wrote:  @repo. I'd say something is odd and curious then. Why the selective disinterest in the earth by NASA in that instance?
There's a 8,7 billion USD telescope due to be launched in 2018. Space is big business and NASA has a monopoly. That's besides the point. Relative to an 8,7 bill. 'scope that can see a bumblebee from over 200 000 miles away, it wouldn't cost much to have one satellite focused on planet earth, to give us the above-mentioned 24 hour exposure.

There are literally thousands of satellites in space today. Most are used for signal transmission and are basically orbiting antennas, but many have been launched specifically to survey the earth and provide images and data for mineral exploration, geological mapping, agriculture and so forth, monitoring and scanning olanet earth 24/7, which they do for their clients (government agencies, academia, corporations, weather people etc)

Nasa is a government agency with secrets that lies about global warming, they might have lied about their space program too, so FEers will latch on the tainted NASA name to drive down their case. It's disinfo 101: drop some truth bombs to lower your victims guards and inoculate them with a deception virus.

Post: #221

(03-23-2017 02:43 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 11:39 PM)Repo Wrote:  So what are you saying? That the entire airline industry is in on this conspiracy? I suppose the entire shipping industry would also have to be in on it.

There is no need for that many people to be "in on the conspiracy".

Just because you command a certain machine doesn't mean you know exactly how everything inside it works. When a plane has technical problems it isn't the pilot that goes underneath, opens panels, and starts fixing things....it''s another dude who (while highly skilled at his mechanical & technical job) has no idea how to fly and land the damn thing.

There are tens of thousands of pilots, flight followers, traffic controllers and flight dispatchers who would have to be "in". Dispatchers plan each flight, calculating the amount of fuel required given distance, load carried and weather (winds, storms etc). Every airline in the world has a large team of dispatchers stationed in most airports.

There are millions and millions of flights every year, flown and monitored by thousands upon thousands of pilots, controllers and dispatchers in just about every country in the world, mostly in the private sector. Literally ONE BILLION FLIGHTS in the past few decades, with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of professional operators.

At some point bro you have to wake up and smell the coffee...

Post: #222

Did you know that flying in a straight line takes constant adjustments to your compass heading? It's one of the first things you learn in an air navigation course. Look up rhumb lines vs great circles.

This proves neither a flat nor a ball Earth, because it's compatible with both, but it does prove that some things that are "obvious" to uneducated mockers are in fact incorrect. Both sides of the FE debate are guilty of doing this, but only one side feels the need to mock the other, with open derision, all day long. That side loses credibility accordingly.

Put it this way: when you see a humble underdog giving a solid effort in an uphill battle to take down an arrogant bullying Goliath of an opponent, do you boo the underdog and laugh at every blow he makes (and takes)? If so, you belong on World Star Hip-Hop, not in the Deep forum.

Post: #223

(03-23-2017 01:34 PM)911 Wrote:  Merc, what kind of education have you had bro? ...

*snip*

911, we are both established members on RVF, and there have been other threads where we have had a lot of common ground and shared the same ideas on various topics. I actually think if we met in real life we would agree on a lot more than you might imagine.

I appreciate your contributions in this thread and have never put into question that what you write is important for a real discussion of the issues we examining here. However, it's a real shame you always have to revert back to personal insults, concern trolling, and veiled attacks towards me just because I am sceptical of the mainstream scientific view on this particular topic. In the JFK assassination thread you seemed to not take a good view towards other members who deviated interesting conversations with personal attacks, so I'm surprised to see you doing it yourself here in this thread more than once.

I really wish the discussion regarding this issue can move past this shaming tactic which is the way both leftists and females attack people whose viewpoints they don't agree with. I don't think you are either of those things, so lets keep the dialogue more civil please. Thanks.

Post: #224

@Hoser

Come on everyone knows that so stop with all the logical fallacies again.

If its compatible with round earth then you shouldnt have brought it up because it does not disprove anything. Again you avoided every argument 911 gave, and then created a strawman assuming people didn't know pilots need to make adjustments.

Post: #225

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