That's what I figured. I would have to work in Norway to rock a suit 24/7

WIA

I stay suited. People often ask me where i'm going so dressed up, to which I reply, "the grocery store," lol.

(03-07-2017 09:52 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Iso, yes and for $49.97...

I don't know if this is deeper game, but in general a player is trying to make a deep mental/emotional impression from the very beginning.

The story you want her to tell is "I just met this guy"

So in practice, it's trying to do and say things that are not typical.

For me, if it's the middle of the day, and in dressed to impress,

"You ever wonder what this is all about?
I love this suit, but do I really love it or am I just brainwashed?"

A chick is 98% unsure of what I just said, but the tone and the topic are more than enough for her to jump in on. She has to think a smidge not a whole lot.

Her even thinking is investment.
Her wanting to answer is investment.
Her responding is falling into my frame, if even for just a second.

And what I'm saying, basically advertises the type of dude I am.

So I'll just start a convo like that with a random.

What is going on at a deeper level is that the mind likes puzzles, it likes the pleasure of solving them. Just like the mind finds patterns, prefers narratives, you can get a chick not only into the conversation, but her wondering what you're going to say next.

Let's take that concept
- she wants to solve a puzzle
- she wants to be mentally engaged

And go non verbal.

There's a viral clip with a guy walking down a sidewalk in the city dribbling a basketball. I think he's wearing full basketball regalia,, like in costume.

Other people are walking in the other direction. So street Jordan challenges them to take the ball from him, just my doing some quick dribbles in front of them. Most avoid him, some engage. They try to steal the ball from him.

So the moral of the story is black guys need to carry basketballs!

The really sharp guy sees the parallels between the impromptu deep discussion or the street basketball versus what the tried and true that you've relayed to us.

Seriously, two things
1) truly engage the chick
2) think deeper about what you're doing

Most guys have these mechanical rules that work fine, until they don't. It's like dating app of the week is great until it's not. A step above addition and subtraction, say fractions, but you could be doing symbolic math.

WIA

I'm curious...if women are so prone to changing their emotions day by day, what's our (by our I mean RVF black man game thread's) rationale for their thinking in relationships?

Not asking that question to challenge the idea of women being fickle minded - I agree 100% with y'all, even if from time to time I still give women the benefit of the doubt (spoiler alert - it always works out poorly for me!).

And sorry to bombard you WIA with questions, it's just I love your thinking.

(03-08-2017 09:52 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  ^Mufasa - how do you deal with the anxiety of women that have rejected you, seeing you try to game others & potentially get rejected.

Definitely unwarranted paranoia on my part, but still curious.

1) Go out to enjoy yourself. Not get laid
2) Drink till you don't care.
3) Don't care or fake not caring.

Think about it: if you're zulu dan bilzerian and you're having a great time and you walk up to a girl and you get rejected yea everyone saw it but if you sulk and shit everyone SEES THAT



They will see you dejected and not awesome. They will see that you are the type of man that lets girls depress him. No one wants to be around a sad sally especially girls you want to fuck. You gotta keep the energy up and literally shrug it off. Maybe even add a snarky comment or smile



good snarky comment:
Shiiiiiiit too bad
You just want to stand here and be boring then?
I gotta go, peace
**kanye shrug**

bad coments:
Anything that is butthurt or borderline butthurt

Use your past success and lays as a confidence booster. I know I'm a total bad ass (at least in my mind) and that I make an excellent lover and person to hang out with. I cook amazingly, I'm hilarious, my movie collection is on fleek, I know all the sweet spots in Austin and I have access to doormen, bartenders, and bar owners--what girl wouldn't what to be apart of this?!

Think about the girls you've been with: did they enjoy you? IF you have a positive track record why wouldn't you think every future girl would feel the same?

I have a 22/23 positive success rate. And the misfire was batshit crazy. I have a track record that if a girl makes herself available to me she's going to have an amazing time. When I approach I'm offering her a chance to have an awesome time. If she choses to reject me thats on her dumb ass.

Thats the mentality I have going in. That that confidence shit that girls sense and that alone will make you more receptive and attractive to girls.

Now on how I handle rejections you got to remember that relationships are about power and prior to sex girls typically have the power. Use frame control to steal the power. How would Zulu Dan Bilzerian handle this?

I approach my energy is right--and the conversation goes into a curve. I immediately assume that I'm not going to get her. I will keep the energy up but my mind has intentionally gone elsewhere. I plan to leave them high and dry.

Get her to keep talking and whenever you deem it proper (literally whenever, could be after the first word she says after curving her) end the interaction--0 to 100 real quick.

1)Walk away

2) Shake her friends hand first then her hand "y'all have a good night"
**walk away**

3) Start hitting on another girl
**walk away**

4) Start looking around like an ADHD child and
**walk away like a new shiny object is calling to you**




A lot of this communication is nonverbal. Think about things girls say to show disinterest and flip the table. If frame control is being a man and the girl being the girl flip it. Become the girl disinterested with the guy and use their tactics against them

• facial expressions: disgust & boredom are two of the most effective
• words: eww, creep, ass hole, jerk
  

Often for me this can flip the interaction in my favor. She sees I don't give a shit about her and she can't fuck my game up--thats when I have her and now that I have her interest...



Or game on.

Just remember that you are awesome and having a great time. Even if you're out to find a girl and not have fun you need to create the illusion that you are there for yourself and not there for the girls. Never let them rain on your parade. ever.

Follow up story:

While I was getting blown out at san antonio there was a point where I was hitting on this snow bunny and she was all like "I have a boyfriend". Told her to prove it and she started making out with this other dude who went white knight "i shall protect thy fair maiden" type shit on me. You can always tell an unromantic kiss and this was one of them. At this point I'm thinking I can't believe I'm getting blown out like this. It was unreal, every single girl I talked to was completely disinterested. Not even 50% interest. I was dressed well--blazer, chino pants, nice timex piece--but I kept striking out.

I turn around and start enjoying my self then I meet this other tall white brotha and we start throwing back shots and shooting the shit. The white knight dude was his friend and the tall dude was clearly the alpha male of the group. Im a hard guy to miss so they definitely saw me a complete stranger befriend their leader and us trade off paying for shots.

I leave and head to the riverwalk and walk into the two latinas. Guess who walks by...the alpha male the white knight and their squad. Leader dude daps it up with me recognizes, my game, and outloud gives me propers infront of his crew--without a doubt I have won this interaction 100 fold.


Moral of the story is don't let girls rejections fuck your mojo up.
When I met the leader of their pack had I been focused on a lay he could have probably introduced me to some of the other girls and with me now having social proof the game would have really been on. The initial girl would have felt like a dumb ass because now I'm cool--and that situation can be gamed to my advantage as well.

Always keep your social proof up either externally with those around you, internally with your internal game/frame control, or both.

(03-08-2017 10:05 AM)Fortis Wrote:  In China, dressing like a thug is a great way to be alone. They watch the videos and think black men are thugs, so you don't wanna play up that stereotype if you wanna get laid with anything other than a nigger chaser who has been through all of the african population in Guangzhou.

Hard -er. really fortis? you're going to bring that around here!?!




edit: black tony stark, chocolate 007, adding zulu dan bilzerian to that list

^Dude that was flames, you dropped some gems hard.

That post was so good it gave me the chills.

Would you care to be a guest on our podcast?

(03-08-2017 01:15 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:05 AM)Fortis Wrote:  In China, dressing like a thug is a great way to be alone. They watch the videos and think black men are thugs, so you don't wanna play up that stereotype if you wanna get laid with anything other than a nigger chaser who has been through all of the african population in Guangzhou.

Hard -er. really fortis? you're going to bring that around here!?!




edit: black tony stark, chocolate 007, adding zulu dan bilzerian to that list

Wuz thinking the same, glad I ain't the only one!



Solid input overall, Reps given!

(03-08-2017 01:15 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  1) Go out to enjoy yourself. Not get laid
2) Drink till you don't care.
3) Don't care or fake not caring.

They will see you dejected and not awesome. They will see that you are the type of man that lets girls depress him. No one wants to be around a sad sally especially girls you want to fuck. You gotta keep the energy up and literally shrug it off. Maybe even add a snarky comment or smile

Think about the girls you've been with: did they enjoy you? IF you have a positive track record why wouldn't you think every future girl would feel the same?

Thats the mentality I have going in. That that confidence shit that girls sense and that alone will make you more receptive and attractive to girls.

A lot of this communication is nonverbal. Think about things girls say to show disinterest and flip the table. If frame control is being a man and the girl being the girl flip it. Become the girl disinterested with the guy and use their tactics against them

• facial expressions: disgust & boredom are two of the most effective
• words: eww, creep, ass hole, jerk
  

Often for me this can flip the interaction in my favor. She sees I don't give a shit about her and she can't fuck my game up--thats when I have her and now that I have her interest...


Or game on.

Just remember that you are awesome and having a great time. Even if you're out to find a girl and not have fun you need to create the illusion that you are there for yourself and not there for the girls. Never let them rain on your parade. ever.

Dude, I'm at work, help me pass the time between TPS reports. And if I don't touch it, there is enough expertise and experience here to speak on it. I personally love it when I don't agree with other cats, cause it helps sharpen my own thoughts.

" if women are so prone to changing their emotions day by day, what's our (by our I mean RVF black man game thread's) rationale for their thinking in relationships? "

Chicks like to run around like squirrels chasing nuts. But eventually they rest up in some strong oak tree. Part of the appeal of having a guy around for her, is so that he can "handle" her. By handle, she means step in and fix her from getting to hysterical. The women in my life, often look to me to step in, family members and co-workers included. It's not because I'm running game on granny, but more so that is the basic nature of our species reinforced by culture.

Just like a woman depends on her dog to judge your character, her friends to drag her away from some random guy, she outsources her emotional stability on her guy.

It makes her feel secure.

Not to get Freudian, but there is an element of Daddy within a sexual relationship. Arguably why 99 to 1 prefer submission to either equivalence or dominance. That's who Daddy is, the man she always submits to, who she cares about getting approval from. At the same time, you can't be too fatherly.

To touch on "deep game" - all humans respond to a certain type of strength. Typically masculine, but usually it's remaining calm in turbulence. That can be Daddy or Grandma.

So with a chick that is whipping back and forth, her man, helps her to moderate - and unconsciously she appreciates that. By the same token, she helps him loosen up and enjoy life..It's a symbiotic relationship.

And when it looks like you can get *her* in line emotionally, other chicks, other men, groups of people - that becomes very attractive.

Your mental strength and calm is deeply attractive, but also helps to generate trust out of nowhere, from no real evidence.

That being said, all kinds of real world bad-asses, struggle with women.

He either turns into a softy, he's vacant, or he's a tyrant. The old chestnut is to err on the side of tyrant, but it takes supreme effort to be a tyrant if you're not one already.

The whole purpose of shit testing is figuring out if your alpha look is backed up by true alpha behavior.

I use this example all the time, but when I started to get reproducible results in game, there was this cat that had my same skin tone, hair, better style, muscles, and taller. A better physical version of me. Chicks would approach him on the regular. He did okay with average chicks.

So I'm out at the spot with this tall Asian chick. She is with me, but he's there. I say something like, my twin is here. She laughs. Apparently old dude tried to holler, but he was basically an idiot. Keep in mind, this broad couldn't beat a ten year old in a spelling bee.

Visually, he had the look in spades. But his verbal and nonverbal communication were never enough for the type of girl that is wearing 6" stilettos when most girls are wearing comfy shoes.

He basically couldn't handle her alpha tests.
He would submit or take her words seriously.

This is a roundabout way of getting at the idea of her emotional malleability and long term relationships. Her emotions jump around, but you keep her head on straight.

And your ability to be her anchor, though not always on her mind moment to moment, is the underlying basis for the LTR.

Keeping her Emotional balance is required, but it's not enough. She still has shifting desires, dudes trying to get at her, so your position isn't ever "safe".

If her eternal problem is dynamic, ours is being static.

Let go of that, the idea that your woman is going to be there like your mother, and things start to become more clear.

Guys who had bad mothers, mothers that betrayed them, and they managed to not blame themselves for the mistake of grown women - they become heartless players. I would normally throw in Iceberg Slim here, but a more modern take is Harvey Specter from Suits.

His backstory is that as a child his mother made him promise not to tell his father that she was having an affair.

The writers don't trot out why he is such a hard (and literal) son of a bitch - they show you that he is.

I could talk this game shit forever. Just talking about it, makes me think of other connections that i know typical game gurus don't speak on.

WIA

^Brilliant.

And that has got me thinking about a common theme in the relationships I've had over the past few years. The girls end up finding my tone with them "patronizing"(which it very well might become, as I get annoyed with their shit and wish it would stop), one definitely did not know how to handle my temper flaring up, and the other two crumbled when I was going through some personal shit in real life that was negatively impacting my career.

I subconsciously run "provider game," and my frame falls apart when I am struggling to take care of myself.

Also, my single mother upbringing may be making me view women as "saviors" as opposed to the hyper-fallible creatures they are.

Also Mufasa, rep points given. Imma copy and paste that shit into my nightgame manifesto.

(03-08-2017 01:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Dude that was flames, you dropped some gems hard.

That post was so good it gave me the chills.

Would you care to be a guest on our podcast?

Sure i think. PM me the details

(03-08-2017 01:44 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Solid input overall, Reps given!

Thanks man

(03-08-2017 02:56 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Also Mufasa, rep points given. Imma copy and paste that shit into my nightgame manifesto.

Thanks, I also have a game thing. Putting it together so my future son can see the ways of a sith lord lol

Need some help. There is a great opportunity in my game that I always forget to ask about.

When I go out I have commanding body language, eye contact, dress nice ,etc. Problem is when I look at girls for eye contact they will not even look in my direction or make eye contact then quickly look away and not look back again--less attractive girls are bold af they will lock eyes hard core lol. I always cold approach but it has been brought to my attention on multiple occasions by my friends that walk behind me that once I pass the girls they all turn around and look at me like falling dominos.

I always tell them I don't see it because I don't
I used to think it was because I could just see over everyone and wasn't looking down. But like I said I'm making an effort to notice girls with no luck.
Theres obviously interest but how to take advantage of this without looking needy/creepy is where I need help. If anyone else has delt with this your help would be appreciated. Im unnecessarily missing out on some warm leads Im pretty sure...

A bad bish I know posted a meme on FB that essentially said she avoids eye contact with men she finds attractive. Eye contact means nothing bro.

@Mufasa: I like the James Harden gif! I like the attitude behind it. That's the kind of guy that I'd like to go out with.

But if I'm tryna smash. Weeellll...

I stick around until I get a clear rejection from a woman, i.e,. she turns away from me.

Pulling a James Harden could be powerful a move after you've caught the group's attention. It's like you're taking away a shiny toy from a kid.

But what I got from that post is that if she's not immediately at the level that I want, then it's time to split.

That's basically sniper game, isn't it?

I like to be a little more persistent/patient. Like if she's not feeling me, then I'll open up the rest of the group -- and once they accept me, it's good. Your post mentions this, too, though.

I just think there needs to be a lil balance is all.

I dunno. i just don't like to eject so quickly anymore. Maybe it's just a personal growing pain though.

@WIA -- So if women are women, what are you after?

A forever loyal unicorn?
Tryna pimp till you hit the grave?

I'm curious what your end game is.

A wife and kids SOUNDS nice...but just like pop music, anything sounds good after you hear it enough times

@BB - there is no right or wrong answer, my only question is that "begging" method working for you?

Sniper game is waiting in the shadows, then striking when the time is right. If you are at a club and you see a girl with her friends, you might wait til she goes to the bathroom or coat check to make your move.

We are ALL trying to smash, just different ways to kill the cat.

@Rudebwoy: You've got a point, I'm in the desert at the moment.

Might be time to try something new.

@BB - girls can smell that desperation on dudes a mile away.

Put your claim in and then bounce.

Girls go crazy for guys that don't care about them, sad but true.

^^Damn WIA, you just Hiroshimad the thread. So how much of this shit testing is conscious vs unconscious? I once called a girl out on this shit and she replied saying I don't like to be tested, which makes me think they're consciously aware that they do this, but tend to do it unconsciously.

However, is girls' acknowledgement of you passing or failing the shit test conscious or unconscious? She realizes your frame can't be shaked, does she consciously realize this or is she just more emotionally attracted without consciously aware as to why? Similary, you fail a shit test. Does she think of you as weaker somehow, or does she just find herself less attracted?

^Im going to hazard that that question is veering into the "why" of women's thoughts and behaviors - even women can't explain why they think and say the shit they do.

All that matters for us is that they do do it.

Thinking back on my last LTR, when she was breaking up with me, she said that "she was starting to resent me" - as I was going through a period in which I was consciously lowering my frame as I was feeling vulnerable due to career shit, and thought that's what she
wanted me to do.

Women want men with strong frames, even when they say they don't.

(03-08-2017 03:46 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  A bad bish I know posted a meme on FB that essentially said she avoids eye contact with men she finds attractive. Eye contact means nothing bro.

Word thats why all of my shit is cold approaches. The problem is that these girls are eye balling me once I walk past them, obviously an IOI but Im completely unaware of it. thats a warm lead which puts her in the 60% range of interest vs a cold approach where the girl is at 50-51% interest. How do I catch these bitches in the act without some creepy spin around "surprise gotcha bitch!" type shit

(03-08-2017 03:50 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  But if I'm tryna smash. Weeellll...

I stick around until I get a clear rejection from a woman, i.e,. she turns away from me.

you can usually tell before the clear rejection if the conversation is going into the shitter tho. Thats why I said I'll snatch the pedestal by getting her talking and then walking away.

Or get her talking and use this:

Quote:A lot of this communication is nonverbal. Think about things girls say to show disinterest and flip the table. If frame control is being a man and the girl being the girl flip it. Become the girl disinterested with the guy and use their tactics against them

facial expressions: disgust & boredom are two of the most effective
words: eww, creep, ass hole, jerk

Now she's talking to you and you're the guy thats finding the things she's saying disgusting. I find her person. I have gone from pursuant to the guy thinking "eww, whats wrong with you". That will catch a chica sideways and now she's trying to backpedal. Most girls don't have the frame control to handle this kind of attack on their fragile image of their character and attractiveness. Thats when this comes into play

Quote:Often for me this can flip the interaction in my favor. She sees I don't give a shit about her and she can't fuck my game up--thats when I have her and now that I have her interest [i can walk away] or game on.

Once I've got her here I can leave or re-start my gaming her. At times I will game her but like I've said I have put her in the loser column already and its just an uninteresting hand to play now. I know I can win so whats the point?

Plus rejecting girls is a powerful tool.
If the way you've done it wasn't out of spite, you weren't rude or butthurt(at least it should appear this way), and it looks like it was done out of her not being up to par.
People see that, its unusual but what people will see is how you leave the girl. They will see her desire to keep talking to you, they will see that this guy did something that made this girl yearn for him not to leave.
This will make girls more receptive to you because girls see everything when it comes to them guarding who they consider sexually viable.

By rejecting this girl Ive planted this subconscious thought in any girl thats witnessed it go down:

If I talk to you you're going to want to keep me there talking to you. If you displease me I could leave you and you will be stuck there with a dumb look on your face like this dumb bitch I just rejected thinking "what just happened to me why doesnt he like me"

I've put other chicas on defcon 1. She probably doesnt like me still which is also why I walk away. But it helps my game because I don't like her when she is giving me her attention.

Girls want attention and they think that that is what guys what--their lack of empathy keeps them from viewing the world from any view beyond their own. In her world she has given me the most valuable female currency (attention) and I threw it in her face because she wasn't good enough.

When I banged this girl I was hitting on a group for 4 blondes and a brunette I was killing it. Whenever I would lock eyes with one of them it was like they were begging me to choose them. We all agreed to bounce to another bar and thats when the girl tapped me on the shoulder I saw her, I was very happy to see her and we just hit it off.

Not even 10 seconds before I was talking to the group of sexy co-eds and then instantly I had found a new shiny toy.
The group of girls just stood there. It was like they just lost their puppy. My girl had 2 sexy ass asian friends who kinda stood in the back ground--my guess is they were taking stock of the situation.
The group of girls stood there, would shoot glances my way--not dirty glances, but "what just happened" glances--before leaving. I know my girl saw me talking to the group of girls because she tapped me on the shoulder. She definitely saw the flirting.

And I'm positive my move to a new toy changed the dynamic of everyone in attendance: how hot my girl was for me and how the two asian girls were going to treat me going forward.

That night I was the guy surrounded by 8 beautiful women with two (asians) trying to figure out whats going on, 5 (group of girls) trying to figure out if i still wanted them, and one with my attention.

To any girl watching: preselection thru the roof

^I've taken my LTR out with me a few times (I know many are against this) but I always strike up a conversation with females that I know from years of clubbin. She usually tries to start a little argument or something but when we get home the sex is amazing. It's like she's going out of her way to show me that's she is better than the rest, unfortunately it does not keep me from being unfaithful.

Men.

Game question: Women say you have walls/ hard to read/aloof/ unpredictable? Good, bad or otherwise? This is pre-smash BTW

TDK

(03-08-2017 03:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @BB - there is no right or wrong answer, my only question is that "begging" method working for you?

Sniper game is waiting in the shadows, then striking when the time is right. If you are at a club and you see a girl with her friends, you might wait til she goes to the bathroom or coat check to make your move.

We are ALL trying to smash, just different ways to kill the cat.

I recently ran some "Wounded Gazelle Game" a while back one night when I was hanging with My Detroit Playas. There she was some cute 23 year old sitting there with her head down playing with her drink. I could see from her body language that she was feeling a little down (wounded, and the lion in me exploited that). I opened her, and found out that she was stood up/ flaked on. It was easy pickings from there.

(03-08-2017 05:09 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  Men.

Game question: Women say you have walls/ hard to read/aloof/ unpredictable? Good, bad or otherwise? This is pre-smash BTW

TDK

I think it's good. I am the same way. Being a fellow Brit, it is even more obvious out here. Many times lizards don't even know I like them until I grunt in orgasm. It's good because the mystery will keep her hamster running and spinning. If she knows you, she will find you boring and antagonise you or just move onto a more obscure male. To quote Rudebwoy, sad but true.

(03-08-2017 03:50 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  @WIA -- So if women are women, what are you after?

A forever loyal unicorn?
Tryna pimp till you hit the grave?

I'm curious what your end game is.

A wife and kids SOUNDS nice...but just like pop music, anything sounds good after you hear it enough times

Women/Kids are not my central aim in life.
I had to drop that after taking 2 LTR L's in a row.
*winces just thinking about it*

She's there to help me on my mission, as opposed to me making my mission "family".

If that situation looks right, I'm not afraid of it.
Might even welcome it.

You can only pick so well.
You can only arrange your life so well.

The thing that my past LTR's have taught me is that you don't get a day off.
She's always ready to use that misstep against you.
You might not even know where you "slipped up"

Either you're want to play defense all the time (not me)
Or you want to play offense all the time (I lean more towards that)

But as Avon said

"All it takes for everything to fall apart is to be “a little slow, a little late,”
“how you ain't never gonna be slow, never be late?
"You can't plan for no shit like this man"
"That's life"