(03-06-2017 12:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote: So i watched some random YouTube video where some chic was giving advice about how to humble attractive women by simply asking them to tell you something interesting about themselves. Sounded like sage advice and I've been consistently invoking it my interactions with chics ever since.
I swear, nothing has thrown some of these women off their game more by just asking them to articulate something else besides their physical attributes that makes them interesting. It's been absolute money and has been followed by, in some cases, extreme qualifying.
Something to think about.
That sounds like old school mystery method game. Make the girl qualify herself. I still have to explore it but when I ask questions like that girls usually freeze because they aren't good at coming up with answers like that off the top of their head.
(03-06-2017 12:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote: So i watched some random YouTube video where some chic was giving advice about how to humble attractive women by simply asking them to tell you something interesting about themselves. Sounded like sage advice and I've been consistently invoking it my interactions with chics ever since.
I swear, nothing has thrown some of these women off their game more by just asking them to articulate something else besides their physical attributes that makes them interesting. It's been absolute money and has been followed by, in some cases, extreme qualifying.
Something to think about.
I have run that game on Tinder recently because I matched with a pretty hot girl and she had an empty profile. It really does throw them off their game because these chicks spend all their time working on their looks, hair and buying clothes and shit like that. I think the biggest eye opener recently for me is how much time women spend on beauty shit. They go uh uh uh.... I watch series or some dumb shit like that.
I walked by the table and saw her dancing and threw her a head nod.
She looked happy to see me and invited me to the table.
The owner of the table sees this and invites me to come have a glass of Moet with him.
He pours me a huge glass and then just goes right back to fooling around with a girl that he had next to him.
Direct Approach
Approach Invitation
Rich guy has social intelligence
KD has social intelligence
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: So I am just there next to this girl dancing (non sexual) when this blonde standing by the bar locks eyes with me from across the club. She comes over and asks me in German if that is my girlfriend?
PRE-SELECTION IN FULL EFFECT
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: I threw the table girl underneath the bus immediately and said no not at all.
I think you dropped the ball here, you could have gotten something out of it.
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: The table girl sees this and goes "don't talk to her shes ugly". The blonde girl then asks if I want to dance with her? I grab my glass of champagne, leave the table and head to the bar with her. It turns out her friend already has a guy shes making out with and its obvious she's gonna fuck him tonight.
Non-Verbal Game after being opened by a chick because of pre-selection
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: We vibe for a little bit and then the club starts closing down and bottle girl is not happy about what just happened. I went to say bye to the staff there
Trust Build by seeing you interact well with 3rd parties.
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: and during this time bottle girl goes over and tries talking to the blonde for a little bit. I hear a small exchange and the bottle girl straight sneak dissed the blonde and walks off! LOL. The blonde ignores all of this and comes to me and asks to go to afterhours for a bit (its now 5:30am).
I'm assuming you planted the "afterhours" seed in her mind.
Man with a plan!
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: So me, the blonde and her friend with the guy all walk about 5 minutes to the afterhours spot and I have already got logistics out the way. She's got a long ride home and I live a 10 minute walk from the afterhours club. When we get to the afterhours club it turns out her friend and the guy have no cash left for entry. Luckily, I rolled with a full wallet so I had the bread. The friend says shes going to the bank and will meet her in the club afterwards. We go inside and of course the friend never comes back.
Handled the group
Split the difference
Got trust and isolation
(03-05-2017 06:17 PM)kirdiesel Wrote: In the afterhours spot I just run standard game we are just vibing. Ended up making out with her there and of course at this point its easy. After awhile she says we should go to my spot to get some sleep. We walk 10 minutes to my spot and within 5 minutes of getting there clothes are coming off. No more chit chat. I smashed her for like two hours and then she says she had to go because she has to walk the dog (shes a avid dog lover). Clothes on.. shes at my door about leave and we start making out again and she comes back inside for round 2.
Done deal.
Deeper into trust and comfort.
Logistics handled.
Lizard handled.
Game over.
I'm trying to be like you when I grow KD!
WIA
I guess the funniest part of all this now is that you have shown me that I have been doing this so long I have internalized steps and I don't even realize I am running through the processes. I was just doing what I normally do.
How did I drop the ball by throwing the table girl underneath the bus? She had been jerking me around all night and wouldn't let me in. I jumped ship on her because I had what I thought at the time was a sure thing (and it was). A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. What opportunity did I miss?
This is why I love posting my nightgame adventures. Even if I have success I am always looking to be better, stronger and faster.
LOL Archie I wasn't bragging at all but I also just wanted to show guys that I don't always take Ls out here in Germany. Its not all doom and gloom. I win too but just not with the girls I WANT and thats the biggest problem.
We can talk dropped ball later, but your "no game" game and my breakdown is how guys without game cracked the code. They watched cool guys deal with chicks, listened to conversations, observed a shit ton of stuff.
A guy without game would have not tried to get VIP girl's attention or known what to do with blonde's interest.
In terms of dropped ball, her jerking you around is interest at some level, but wanting to keep you in her orbit. There is some game-fu to basically tap into her competitive nature and get her to fuck you out of spite. Got me stretching my mental muscles on it.
I'm curious as to whether this was all done in German.
Fame game, Tinder game, "Be Big & Ripped" game - they all have their value but often drive us away from discussing and progressing with basic tools and skills that are much more versatile.
This is the best game thread on RVF. I'm not even black but I read it every day.
(03-06-2017 12:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote: So i watched some random YouTube video where some chic was giving advice about how to humble attractive women by simply asking them to tell you something interesting about themselves. Sounded like sage advice and I've been consistently invoking it my interactions with chics ever since.
I swear, nothing has thrown some of these women off their game more by just asking them to articulate something else besides their physical attributes that makes them interesting. It's been absolute money and has been followed by, in some cases, extreme qualifying.
Something to think about.
At times, I go with a variation of this...if I sense that I am digging into a chick's psyche real deep I will ask her to tell me three things she would change about herself...this is more a test. I usually get some interesting answers that range from them revealing some insecurities, a secrets or two and even some self reflection.
(03-06-2017 08:25 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: We can talk dropped ball later, but your "no game" game and my breakdown is how guys without game cracked the code. They watched cool guys deal with chicks, listened to conversations, observed a shit ton of stuff.
A guy without game would have not tried to get VIP girl's attention or known what to do with blonde's interest.
In terms of dropped ball, her jerking you around is interest at some level, but wanting to keep you in her orbit. There is some game-fu to basically tap into her competitive nature and get her to fuck you out of spite. Got me stretching my mental muscles on it.
I'm curious as to whether this was all done in German.
WIA
You do have a point there. I am pretty much trained to handle these types of situations and know instinctively now what to do in most situations in nightgame. Speed and being able to make snap decisions is paramount to nightclub game. Bottle girl was making me an orbiter and it was annoying. I just don't see how I could have flipped it around on bottle girl with the interest of the blonde. It was already late and I didn't have time to fool around here. Club was closing in 30 minutes or so and I had to make a call and I did.
When stretch the mental muscles a bit maybe I could have somehow grabbed bottle girls number but then I could have risked getting caught by the blonde. She was already skeptical that bottle girl was my gf and I had to handle that objection.
This was 90% percent in English. The blonde opened me in German and I understood what she wanted right away and proceeded to switch the conversation back into English.
Strategy point 2017: I tend now to lie about my German knowledge and how long I have been in Germany in order to force the girls to speak in English. I maintain the upper hand and dominance in the conversation as opposed to gaming in German where I am not as effective.
Forcing her to speak English is something I also grabbed from the travel board.
An interesting point
- if you're in town for the weekend, chick is not trying to get pumped and dumped
- if you live there, you lose points for a different set of reasons - like the novelty wears off.
I'm wondering if the sweet spot is, I just moved here?
(03-06-2017 10:01 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote: \
At times, I go with a variation of this...if I sense that I am digging into a chick's psyche real deep I will ask her to tell me three things she would change about herself...this is more a test. I usually get some interesting answers that range from them revealing some insecurities, a secrets or two and even some self reflection.
Good one!
Another one I've been asking is what she feels she has to offer a man. They almost always start off listing their achievements like degrees, professional success, ambition etc, until I politely point out that shit does benefit me any.
I used to be extremely humble, but I found it cost me lots of wasted time in weeding out bottom bishes. I'm through phucking around. Went out with an "IG model" yesterday only to discover this bish lives at home with her parents, doesn't have a car and works in a call center, lol. Dating again has been entertaining, to say the least.
(03-06-2017 11:08 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: Question for all, anyone heard of the Gerasimov doctrine? I kind of want to write a blog post on how to use it on your game.
WIA
If I had to sum it up, I'd call it "By any Means Necessary" game!
Lol funny you mention that. An IG model I follow also apparently lives at home with her parents, and is 32-33: http://instagram.com/jesseniavice
As an aside about the above, wifing someone who looks like the above is my "game-end goal."
That's semi relevant to another "double-standard" I've been thinking about - a woman can live at home with her parents and it doesn't affect her "game" chances, whereas with men it is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
(03-06-2017 11:18 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote: Lol funny you mention that. An IG model I follow also apparently lives at home with her parents, and is 32-33: http://instagram.com/jesseniavice
As an aside about the above, wifing someone who looks like the above is my "game-end goal."
That's semi relevant to another "double-standard" I've been thinking about - a woman can live at home with her parents and it doesn't affect her "game" chances, whereas with men it is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
I was thinking the same thing. Imagine I was 27, living in my parents basement, with no car. Bishes wouldn't touch me with a ten-foot pole, lol.
Personally, I'd rather have bish that "could" look like that as opposed to a bish who already does. She's maxed out, there is nothing else she can do to improve.
(03-06-2017 11:18 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote: Lol funny you mention that. An IG model I follow also apparently lives at home with her parents, and is 32-33: http://instagram.com/jesseniavice
As an aside about the above, wifing someone who looks like the above is my "game-end goal."
That's semi relevant to another "double-standard" I've been thinking about - a woman can live at home with her parents and it doesn't affect her "game" chances, whereas with men it is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
I was thinking the same thing. Imagine I was 27, living in my parents basement, with no car. Bishes wouldn't touch me with a ten-foot pole, lol.
Personally, I'd rather have bish that "could" look like that as opposed to a bish who already does. She's maxed out, there is nothing else she can do to improve.
And now I miss my 2016-TR even more. She was latina, similar height, similar body type, and was starting to get into working out.
Imma see a photo of her years from now and realize how much I fucked up.
(03-06-2017 10:01 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote: \
At times, I go with a variation of this...if I sense that I am digging into a chick's psyche real deep I will ask her to tell me three things she would change about herself...this is more a test. I usually get some interesting answers that range from them revealing some insecurities, a secrets or two and even some self reflection.
Good one!
Another one I've been asking is what she feels she has to offer a man. They almost always start off listing their achievements like degrees, professional success, ambition etc, until I politely point out that shit does benefit me any.
I used to be extremely humble, but I found it cost me lots of wasted time in weeding out bottom bishes. I'm through phucking around. Went out with an "IG model" yesterday only to discover this bish lives at home with her parents, doesn't have a car and works in a call center, lol. Dating again has been entertaining, to say the least.
Another sad case of a chick using her looks as currency.
Somebody will eventually appear with a cape to save her
(03-06-2017 10:58 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: Forcing her to speak English is something I also grabbed from the travel board.
An interesting point
- if you're in town for the weekend, chick is not trying to get pumped and dumped
- if you live there, you lose points for a different set of reasons - like the novelty wears off.
I'm wondering if the sweet spot is, I just moved here?
WIA
One of my boys has been milking that line for 17 years, he has an accent so the girls aren't the wiser.
(03-06-2017 11:18 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote: Lol funny you mention that. An IG model I follow also apparently lives at home with her parents, and is 32-33: http://instagram.com/jesseniavice
As an aside about the above, wifing someone who looks like the above is my "game-end goal."
That's semi relevant to another "double-standard" I've been thinking about - a woman can live at home with her parents and it doesn't affect her "game" chances, whereas with men it is a SERIOUS disadvantage.
I don't think it is a double standard...she's cute however I wouldn't want to marry a girl who still lives with her parents...she's basically an adult teenager...
aka a hot mess...maybe one day she'll be wife material though...
(03-06-2017 12:09 AM)StackGsMan Wrote: My parents are from one of those 4 countries you mentioned. It's a hard pill to swallow to hide my identity, but I'll try it out and see how it goes.
I'm not familiar with WIA writing about how a good date should go. Is it in this thread? If so I'll eventually get to it (it's going to take me a while to read this whole thing).
It's hard for me to label someone a hood chick or not. Most of these girls have a job, but not a great one. If you were to ask a middle class White person with relatively little exposure to Black people they would probably think the girls I've seen are all hood, but that's not saying much. Some have definitely been from the hood, but those typically tend to be the nicest and most comfortable ones with me. The further away they get from being hood usually the more complicated things get.
I am not telling you to deny your roots, I was somewhat joking about the terrorist comment. Some of these girls can be stupid, so always keep that in mind.
In my travels, people always assume I am American. I don't even bother to set them straight, especially if it is a girl that is curious about me. For those reading, I am NOT trying to be American.
I prefer dealing with girls with less money, poor girls always seem more grateful for the little things you do for them. That is why I asked if they were hood chicks.
I am surrounded by entitled girls, as you stated it becomes more complex.
(03-06-2017 04:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: Plenty would marry her, but she would ignore most.
Taking care of herself, living with family?
I thought that is what you guys were after?
WIA
Girls like that have a surprisingly hard time finding quality guys...hence the multiple abusive relationships, the new hair color of the week, and general drama...
At 44 You want a Michelle Obama, a girl who can hold it down...
Don't want to make the mistake ol' playa Johnny Depp made marrying an Amber Heard and losing his fortune...