Post: #176

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).
...

Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

Dude needs to relax a bit. I know it's a lot of fun to look at people and say, "You guys may think you're badasses, but I'm actually a greater badass, and you need to listen to ME!" A lot of this has been going around since that Days of Rage book came out, and it needs to stop, if only because it's bad for people's blood pressure. It's no different than the usual LARPing, just with a slightly different twist. This isn't the 70s.

Post: #177

(02-08-2017 07:16 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  China is so corrupt that buying real estate here in the US as a way of hedging their bets isn't going away anytime soon.

They will stop if there is a genuine risk of that $10M mansion getting destroyed in an uninsurable scenario (e.g. riot, urban combat) or substantial devaluation (pending civil war), and they (elites) will probably know it's coming before we (commoners) do. The very wealthy in all countries really do have access to privileged information. Also, US is not the exclusive destination of capital fleeing China.

Post: #178

(02-08-2017 07:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).
...

Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

Dude needs to relax a bit. I know it's a lot of fun to look at people and say, "You guys may think you're badasses, but I'm actually a greater badass, and you need to listen to ME!" A lot of this has been going around since that Days of Rage book came out, and it needs to stop, if only because it's bad for people's blood pressure. It's no different than the usual LARPing, just with a slightly different twist. This isn't the 70s.

There is validity in what the guy says. Yes, he's trying to sell books. But there's truth in what he says.

Right now, the antifa movement relies on plausible deniability. But two things are happening.
1. They're becoming emboldened to commit increasing acts of violence.

2. They're becoming emboldened because they're facing no resistance to their violence.

No one was arrested for smacking the girl at the milo protest with the sign post or whatever it was.

Maybe they will, or maybe they won't get guns and start shooting at people. But as he made clear in his post, they're already using weapons. A combat ready AR-15 costs money. A molotov cocktail costs almost nothing. I know which one can create more havoc in my residential neighborhood at 3AM (hint: it's not the gun.) You can set someone's house on fire and be a mile away before their smoke detector goes off.

Not only are you dealing with people who are becoming more and more emboldened to commit violence, you're dealing with people who believe it is their moral duty to do so. The antifa who cracks your skull with a brick goes home and comforts himself with his belief in the righteousness of his actions.

Post: #179

A big part of the problem is that us middle-class schlubs have too much to lose to 'respond' the way (some of us) may want to, whereas of course these shitheels have nothing to lose. In Taleb's terms, we have skin in the game and they do not.

The middle-class: Too "rich" to have nothing to lose, yet too "poor" to insulate ourselves from the anarchic state (as the gated community folks do). Sigh.

Post: #180

If Trump wants to cut the support network for these assholes, he needs to defund the education system via reforms of the student loan system. Walking through a college campus in Portland I'm seeing flyers for these protest groups everywhere, and reading a few of them they're clearly planning for a long campaign.

The thing is even if I were a libtard, I don't have time for this shit because I'm here to finish my Master's degree. It's all the little undergrad pricks in the humanities being fueled by Federal student loans joining these groups. If Trump were to fully privatize student loans and make them susceptible to worming out via bankruptcy, no sane bank would give a kid $50,000 to pursue Chicano Studies or any other kind of bullshit. The supply of angry leftist kids would dry up rapidly without radical professors grooming them once no one can afford to go to college to major in bullshit.

Not only that, if you take the college kid element out of the picture, then shooting the protestors is more politically viable. Right now, if the cops blow the heads off these little peckerfarts then everyone's going to start screeching Kent State.

Post: #181

Man I have a hard time taking antifa faggots serious.

I can tell from attire and behaviour most of them are punks. By that I mean both punk rocker and the classic definition of gay prostitute.

Punk rock was at the vanguard of all the lgbfag vegan feminist etc SJW movement.

I know because me and my buddies used to go to metal concerts when I was a kid around 2002-2005 and once in a while hit up a punk show.

They were mostly vegans so me and around 10 friends between 14 and 18 would bully any room including grown ass men if there were I'm guessing under 50 people there.

We'd pressure people into giving us their cigarettes and liquor and generally no one would step.

These people are useless weaklings.

At one show a few of my buddies started pushing and shoving each other and some nerd said "this is not a football game!"

These people go through their whole life with hatred of the high school football team as their guiding ideology.

I'm forgetting the massive 100-1 outnumbering tactics they use though, Trump needs to hurry with national concealed carry..

Post: #182

These people who think China will step into a power vacuum if America curbs its globalist ambitions crack me up.

We MADE China. Once we stop buying their cheap shit their economy will go down the toilet. Other 1st world countries like South Korea and Japan are already moving their manufacturing to places like Indonesia and Vietnam.

Post: #183

I went to a punk show once, their idea of a mosh pit was moving around in a circle.

Post: #184

(02-08-2017 07:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).
...

Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

I assume that they're hoping that the "oppressed masses" of the workers will spontaneously unite and create an overwhelming surge of revolutionary fervor to sweep capitalism and the bourgeoisie, reactionary class completely out of relevance, like they probably imagine happened in Russia in 1917 or in China after WWII. When this spontaneous uprising happens, then they will grab any rifles left lying around and use them to pick off resisting Nazis. At least, that's how they imagine it. What's more likely to happen (hopefully) is that they spend most of the rest of their lives like this nutcase (who looks surprisingly similar to the BAMN leader) rotting away in a federal prison.

Post: #185

(02-09-2017 11:03 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 07:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).
...

Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

I assume that they're hoping that the "oppressed masses" of the workers will spontaneously unite and create an overwhelming surge of revolutionary fervor to sweep capitalism and the bourgeoisie, reactionary class completely out of relevance, like they probably imagine happened in Russia in 1917 or in China after WWII. When this spontaneous uprising happens, then they will grab any rifles left lying around and use them to pick off resisting Nazis. At least, that's how they imagine it. What's more likely to happen (hopefully) is that they spend most of the rest of their lives like this nutcase (who looks surprisingly similar to the BAMN leader) rotting away in a federal prison.

I am probably being overly optimistic, but I would hope antifa and the rest of the modern left at least has the self-awareness to look around and see that the number of working class men in their ranks is statistically negligible, the only "working class" members they have are bureaucrats at the head of some of the unions. They either don't work at all (preferably with trust fund) or make 6-7 figures doing whatever the fuck it is they do.

The working class would be a poor target audience for their fantasies seeing as how they support in close to 100% of cases pro-world bank pro-multinational corporation policies in the name of social justice to the detriment of the working class.

I'm working class myself and Trump is by far the best candidate for the working class in my lifetime (29 years old,) hopefully he lives up to at least some of his campaign promises.

Post: #186

(02-08-2017 09:05 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  A big part of the problem is that us middle-class schlubs have too much to lose to 'respond' the way (some of us) may want to, whereas of course these shitheels have nothing to lose. In Taleb's terms, we have skin in the game and they do not.

This is the reason I've only gotten into a handful of fistfights in my life. I don't want to hit a guy that's going to turn around and charge me with something. If I punch out an antifa, it's possible I could be knocking out someone I had a class with - hell, even a former TA.

That feeling of trapped adrenaline is a particularly horrible kind of helplessness, and one of the most unpleasant sensations I've ever dealt with. You know you can hold your own in a fight, but you're terrified to do it. (Especially if it's a woman assaulting you.)

Post: #187

(02-10-2017 05:09 AM)stugatz Wrote:  That feeling of trapped adrenaline is a particularly horrible kind of helplessness, and one of the most unpleasant sensations I've ever dealt with. You know you can hold your own in a fight, but you're terrified to do it.

I know that feeling. I'm pretty sure that when I'm somewhere around age 60-70, some nasty female crossfit beast on steroids is going to beat the shit out of me for using the wrong pronoun or something, after I held my temper for decades through the prime of my life while I was more able than 99% of the population. A bunch of young cucks will like it on youtube.

Post: #188

BLUF: Antifa is not, and will not be an effective fighting force. It is meant to be a destabilizing influence and that it will do well.

This is a fascinating topic for me, have been following the leftist violence with great interest. Both the levels of violence and the tacit approvals from liberal urban governments are indeed alarming but taken as a whole and with historical context as a grounding rod it all amounts to the pendulum swinging the other way. In past postings I placed the odds of a civil war -that being overt hostilities between the federal govt and an organized opponent- as low and I still believe that to be the case. I agree with some of the prominent voices in the patriot community that what we will most likely see is ideological based violence aka insurgency. The Balkans provide a chilling example of what is possible.

C-Note Wrote:I assume that they're hoping that the "oppressed masses" of the workers will spontaneously unite and create an overwhelming surge of revolutionary fervor to sweep capitalism and the bourgeoisie, reactionary class completely out of relevance, like they probably imagine happened in Russia in 1917 or in China after WWII. When this spontaneous uprising happens, then they will grab any rifles left lying around and use them to pick off resisting Nazis. At least, that's how they imagine it. What's more likely to happen (hopefully) is that they spend most of the rest of their lives like this nutcase (who looks surprisingly similar to the BAMN leader) rotting away in a federal prison.

There is nothing new under the sun. Whichever side happens to be in power, the other side feels victimized and acts out. Refer to episodes of leftist violence in the 70's and right wing violence (aka militia movt) in the 90's under republican and democrat leadership respectively. In each case the agitators believed precisely what you have posted, that after some catalyzing event the masses would awaken to see the righteousness of the cause du jour and join forces to overthrow the party in power. Of course it didnt, so the republicans went to sleep thinking the battle won while the leftists began to infiltrate more heavily into academia and political power structures.

SamuelBRoberts Wrote:Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

Support for BLM eroded rapidly after Dallas, I think that is why this Antifa movement has sprung up so quickly. Soros et al diverted most of the funding from BLM since it had effectively lost the popular front at that point. But while BLM, at least on the outside, appeared to be a pseudo civil rights group (lol!) the Antifa is a purely reactionary group who's main purpose is not the righting of perceived wrongs but to counter the current mainstream of political power, violently if necessary. I view this as an escalation in the effort to destabilize our country by outside forces.

I have a few leftist sites bookmarked so I can analyze their trends and I don't like what I'm seeing. I'm also seeing a lot of blustery hubris from the right, specifically on gun forums. "Time to take the gloves off" "Go time" "It'll be over quick" "Popping Pmags" and other machismo. There will be no gun battles between rioters and patriots on Main St where the patriot's superior tactics, training and equipment will prove decisive. You will more likely be caught in a "flash mob" used as cover for targeted violence on the way to work/market/bar armed only with a pistol and your wits at most. What there may be is targeted violence by leftists against leaders and/or symbols of the right like elected officials, police, military and media figures. Think assassinations, drive by's, firebombings, kidnappings. Similar M.O. to leftwing terror groups in Europe during the 70's. They have the network and cell structure in place already.

The site below is a leftwing agitator's site that has jumped into educating their readership about the basics of gun rights.

Know your (gun) rights! A primer for radicals

It's Going Down Wrote:With the resurgence of fascism and right-wing violence against radicals, the topic of armed self-defense and gun ownership has become much more popular in radical communities. Traditional “Know Your Rights” trainings in radical and progressive circles have usually focused on the rights people have to protest or when interacting with law enforcement. It’s about time we start talking about exactly which rights the Second Amendment entails as well.

The United States Supreme Court has said that the Second Amendment enshrines the right of individuals to possess a firearm in their home for self-defense. That sounds nice and expansive, but as radicals are well aware, rights are seldom so absolute. So what are your rights with respect to possessing, purchasing, carrying and using firearms? What are some of the laws that restrict those rights?

Firearms laws are complicated, change often, and vary significantly from state to state and even city to city. (Unfortunately, one of the best resources for more information on state gun laws is the NRA website). This is a short overview to some of the main federal laws and a short discussion of some of the variability in state laws and issues that radicals should be aware of and research further. In this white supremacist, capitalist, hetero-patriarchy, people who don’t fit the typical profile of “legal gun owner” (basically anyone who doesn’t outwardly present as a middle-class white male) will likely encounter particular suspicion, scrutiny, or hostility for exercising their gun rights. Knowing the ins and outs what the law does or does not allow may be helpful, but the police murders of John Crawford and Philando Castille are painful reminders that legality and rights cannot always protect you.

^^^ What we have here is a Mauser 98k, AR, Mosin Nagant, Kel-Tec KSG, an AK variant, and an unknown wood stocked rifle.

They can't even share ammo

Post: #189

There's a lot of estrogen in that photo. Fag on the left couldn't properly hold a rifle even if he was playing Call of Duty.

The radical left is in no position for direct combat. They have no support from military, law enforcement and 99% of gun owners. They also have no support from the vast majority of Americans. If they become violent it will be through bombings not firearm attacks. Something similar to the Shining Path (a Peruvian communist rebel group) a few decades ago.

Post: #190

Interesting how these estrogen laden neck beards finally decide to learn some facts about gun laws now that they've decided they have a reason for them.

Post: #191

Wonder how many pissed themselves the first time they fired the gun

Post: #192

(02-08-2017 08:59 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 07:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).
...

Antifas opening fire on crowds with rifles? Come on. The whole antifa method relies on plausible deniability. "Oh, we're just protestors against facism! If we hurt people it's because we're just so motivated against HATE!"
Bringing rifles and opening fire on a crowd would shatter that permanently, and they know it. It will never, ever happen. Some looneybat might take a shot at Spencer or Milo, but the type of scenario he's describing is simply an impossibility.

Dude needs to relax a bit. I know it's a lot of fun to look at people and say, "You guys may think you're badasses, but I'm actually a greater badass, and you need to listen to ME!" A lot of this has been going around since that Days of Rage book came out, and it needs to stop, if only because it's bad for people's blood pressure. It's no different than the usual LARPing, just with a slightly different twist. This isn't the 70s.

There is validity in what the guy says. Yes, he's trying to sell books. But there's truth in what he says.

Right now, the antifa movement relies on plausible deniability. But two things are happening.
1. They're becoming emboldened to commit increasing acts of violence.

2. They're becoming emboldened because they're facing no resistance to their violence.

No one was arrested for smacking the girl at the milo protest with the sign post or whatever it was.

Maybe they will, or maybe they won't get guns and start shooting at people. But as he made clear in his post, they're already using weapons. A combat ready AR-15 costs money. A molotov cocktail costs almost nothing. I know which one can create more havoc in my residential neighborhood at 3AM (hint: it's not the gun.) You can set someone's house on fire and be a mile away before their smoke detector goes off.

Not only are you dealing with people who are becoming more and more emboldened to commit violence, you're dealing with people who believe it is their moral duty to do so. The antifa who cracks your skull with a brick goes home and comforts himself with his belief in the righteousness of his actions.

I read that in full yesterday. I think he's missing some key points here, or simply not weighting them properly.

1. The antifags have been rioting in leftist strongholds.

2. Restraint is not weakness.

Sure, they haven't been seeing much resistance yet. But they're not trying their bullshit in places the right feels a strong need to defend. I seriously doubt the people and the police would just sit back and let the riots happen if they tried to pull that bullshit in, say, Salt Lake City instead of Portland or Seattle. Or just about any suburb outside of the bluest parts of the bluest states.

And just because the right has not yet taken up arms, doesn't mean we're too pussy to do so. We just understand the consequences a lot more, and have more to lose. The establishment doesn't protect the right, it protects the left. It's much riskier for someone like me to take action than the typical antifag.

Also, I'm not actually that eager to go stack bodies of Americans, no matter how mentally ill they are. I don't relish violence, I am simply very good at it and willing to apply it as necessary.

However, once I'm pushed into taking action, I also long since internalized that after the first one, the rest are free. So if I'm forced to defend myself in a way I know is likely to get me hanged, what's to stop me from going as hard and as long as I can? The left might want to think about that.

You never want to put a man in a position where he has nothing to lose and no way out but through you. If the left keeps pushing and forces our hand, they're really not going to like the result, and I don't think the right will either. We're just the only side smart enough to see that.

Post: #193

A dyke paintball team ?

Post: #194

(02-11-2017 01:47 PM)Adonis Wrote:  

^^^ What we have here is a Mauser 98k, AR, Mosin Nagant, Kel-Tec KSG, an AK variant, and an unknown wood stocked rifle.

They can't even share ammo

I think that unknown rifle is a 10/22. It has the distinctive look to the butt.

These Redneck Revolt retards are hardcore leftists who've been around for awhile, apparently. https://itsgoingdown.org/white-workers-r...ck-revolt/

Post: #195

(02-11-2017 03:15 PM)weambulance Wrote:  And just because the right has not yet taken up arms, doesn't mean we're too pussy to do so. We just understand the consequences a lot more, and have more to lose. The establishment doesn't protect the right, it protects the left. It's much riskier for someone like me to take action than the typical antifag.

Case in point, this case fresh out of the Workers' Paradise of Portland.

This guy was an idiot for many reasons, but some of the potential juror comments defy belief. If anything this will quicken the exodus of conservative freedom loving people away from these leftist shitholes. 9/10 times I will be in the mountains, I dont even go to the city anymore.

Man who pulled gun out at 'Don't Shoot PDX' protest guilty of 21 counts

Quote:A man who pulled out a gun at a Don't Shoot Portland march and pointed it at a crowd of protesters in downtown was found guilty Friday of 21 felony and misdemeanor crimes.

Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan found Michael Aaron Strickland, 37, guilty of 10 counts of unlawful use of a weapon, 10 counts of menacing and one count of second-degree disorderly conduct for pointing his Glock semi-automatic handgun at 10 protesters.

During the weeklong trial, prosecutors argued that Strickland didn't have a reasonable fear that he was in imminent danger of getting hurt.

Strickland, who had a concealed weapons permit, claimed self-defense. He contended some protesters and anarchists wearing masks and carrying flagpoles had called him a racist, told him to leave, aggressively advanced toward him and pushed him. Some of the confrontation was caught on video -- including Strickland's own.

Strickland can be heard saying "Get the hell back!" before pulling out his gun.

Strickland makes a living as an independent videographer-journalist and was at the July 7 demonstration last year to record it. Members of the groups Don't Shoot Portland and Black Lives Matter were protesting the shooting deaths of two African Americans by police earlier that week in Minnesota and Louisiana.

During closing arguments, prosecutor Todd Jackson said no one touched Strickland and that he overreacted. The men carrying flagpoles weren't near Strickland when he took out his gun, Jackson said.

Strickland could have simply turned and run away if he had been afraid, prosecutors said.

Jackson said Strickland's contention that he was in grave danger isn't believable, pointing out that Stickland reholstered his gun and stepped off the street and onto the sidewalk to give an interview in front of a TV camera just steps away from the scene of the confrontation.

"My life was in danger, I was surrounded by people," Strickland can be heard saying during the interview, which was shown in court.

Prosecutors said it was protesters who were scared for their lives as they screamed that Strickland had a gun and ran.

Strickland brought lots of bullets -- 123 -- to the protest with him, prosecutors said. He didn't fire off any rounds during the incident.

The trial was watched by both gun proponents and opponents.

During jury selection, after listening to an afternoon of prospective jurors criticize guns during the voir dire process, Strickland decided to forgo a jury trial and instead let the judge decide his case.

Strickland is scheduled to be sentenced in May.

-- Aimee Green

Potential Jurors Wrote:On Monday, the defense attorneys had listened to an afternoon's worth of juror opinions about guns and self-defense.

When questioned about how many were "generally opposed to firearms," nine of the people in the jury pool raised their hands. As the discussion progressed, more said they were opposed on some level, too.

"I don't like them," one man said.

"I hate them," said a woman.

Another prospective juror said she thinks guns should be legal only for police and maybe for hunters in remote areas where they're responsible for getting their own food, such as in Alaska.

Even a few hunters in the group said they only take their guns out for hunting trips, then lock them at home, where they belong.

"I have pretty strong feelings about the type of person who would want to carry a gun around for personal protection," said one hunter.

"I'm an advocate of guns," said another hunter. "I like guns, actually. But I think most people, if they have the proper training, they should know when to and when not to pull them out."

One woman spoke of an unsettling encounter she had at a local store. Another customer appeared to be very upset with the store, and she watched him dart up to customer service with his grievance. When she expressed concern about the customer's distress to another shopper, that other shopper opened up his jacket, revealed that he was carrying a concealed gun and said something to the effect of "Don't worry, I would have taken care of him."

Jason Short, another defense attorney, asked if any of the potential jurors were opposed to using a gun to defend themselves at home or if strangers approached them at an ATM. A few jurors raised their hands.

"I'm just afraid that someone would be killed, and it wouldn't have happened if the firearm wasn't there," said a woman. "I'm just very uncomfortable with a gun coming out."

A few of the people said the circumstances would have to be truly extreme to warrant using a gun.

"Someone kicks me, I shouldn't pull a gun out on them," one said.

Short asked if any of them had ever had to make a split second decision to protect their well-being.

Yes, said one man. He was once attacked and robbed by five people -- and he decided not to fight.

"I chose to be a pacifist," the man said.

When Short asked if the potential jurors felt they could still be fair and impartial despite their personal feelings, almost all said yes.

Strickland's trial is scheduled to last through the end of this week.

-- Aimee Green

Post: #196

Baring some massive Trump Federal government intervention, it is looking more likely that conservatives stuck in leftist hellholes must consider moving out of them before any violence starts, and selling their properties while they still have value. My home value has shot up tremendously in the last decade. I'm strongly considering cashing out my chips and moving out of California before shit really hits the fan. Here in California we have Democrats that are openly welcoming in the illegals. They are pushing for succession of the state from the USA. They show no sign of restraint. If push comes to shove, Trump may have to send in thousands of law enforcement, National Guard and lawyers to literally do a takeover of the state to prevent it to going into outright rebellion. The left will not stop, the only question is how much more disrespectful of the law can they get? They love illegals, they tear up the law and we are also the home of moonbats in the 9th Circuit who are letting in all the rapeugees. Something has got to give, and quite frankly, if Trump doesn't take over California and start arresting those pushing for sedition, this state will be completely lost. I'm not kidding, if Trump doesn't take care of this mess within four years, or doesn't get reelected, I'm going to sell my home while it has value still and move somewhere where the Rule of Law is actually enforced. My patience for living with barbarians is nearing its end.

Post: #197

And, not to mention that your state's pension fund is dead broke due to government paying themselves handsomly coupled with criminal mismanagement.

You know what the government of California will do when they can't pay it? The answer sure as hell isn't going to be government having to take a paycut. Expect taxes to explode astronomically higher than they already are.

Post: #198

Quote:and an unknown wood stocked rifle.

If you are talking about the shitbag on the far right, it appears to be a M44, side-folding pigsticker and all.


Had no idea the antifags were so into C&R weapons

Post: #199

(02-11-2017 04:38 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  And, not to mention that your state's pension fund is dead broke due to government paying themselves handsomly coupled with criminal mismanagement.

You know what the government of California will do when they can't pay it? The answer sure as hell isn't going to be government having to take a paycut. Expect taxes to explode astronomically higher than they already are.

CALPERS (the state pension fund) is one of the largest criminal ponzi schemes ever created. With $300 billion in assets, they still have less than $.70 on the dollar for each liability that needs to be paid out. They've been gaming the system for years expecting market growth of 6.5% or higher, and have kept upping payouts to retirees, regardless if the fund's performance reflects growth or not. California taxpayers are in for a rude shock, or they might just tax and also cut benefits if things get too out of control. Illinois is in similar condition.

Just put in Google News California state pension fund and you'll find tons of articles explaining just how dire the situation is. They already bailed on people who bought long-term care insurance, the pension fund is the next domino to collapse.

Post: #200

(02-11-2017 04:38 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  And, not to mention that your state's pension fund is dead broke due to government paying themselves handsomly coupled with criminal mismanagement.

You know what the government of California will do when they can't pay it? The answer sure as hell isn't going to be government having to take a paycut. Expect taxes to explode astronomically higher than they already are.

Their first option will be to beg Unca Sugah (we taxpayers) for a bailout.