Post: #351

262 maybe you're right, I was perhaps a bit harsh on Tap. It just seemed like his post was dripping with contempt for his fellow Indians. I happen to like a lot of the FOB Indians I meet. A lot of them are good guys, just trying to make a better life. I think of my Dad who was FOB. In 1966! Imagine being an FOB over 50 years ago, how hard that was. Back then, making a phone call to India would take up half the day trying to get a connection.

I get mad when Indians get laughed at for being "nerds" or "squares". Indians and Asians come here, work their asses off and don't bring crime and gangs etc like other ethnic groups do. But we get laughed at? In Hollywood and the culture at large? Even on the forum, Indians get a lot of flack because of one fucking guy. Like one IRT represents the whole group? Fuck all that noise. I'm proud to be Indian, I'm proud of the traditional values I was brought up with. If these fucking white dudes kept any of their traditional values, America wouldn't be the cultural clusterfuck that it is today. But instead we have a society where smarts, discipline and intelligence is mocked because it's just not "cool". But partying excessively, doing drugs and spending your time supplicating to skanks is what we need to do be considered cool? For the FOBs living here, I would assimilate and understand the culture since you've decided to live in a foreign country but don't put these white chicks on any sort of pedestal. Most white bitches are so basic and stupid and do not deserve it. Basing your self esteem on their validation is foolish. Just looked how cucked most white guys have become in America from them putting their women on a pedestal. Be proud and give two fucks less. Then watch the white bitches toss their pussiez your way ( cause any white chick I've ever fucked loves dark dick).

Post: #352

(02-07-2017 01:48 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  262 maybe you're right, I was perhaps a bit harsh on Tap. It just seemed like his post was dripping with contempt for his fellow Indians. I happen to like a lot of the FOB Indians I meet. A lot of them are good guys, just trying to make a better life. I think of my Dad who was FOB. In 1966! Imagine being an FOB over 50 years ago, how hard that was. Back then, making a phone call to India would take up half the day trying to get a connection.

I get mad when Indians get laughed at for being "nerds" or "squares". Indians and Asians come here, work their asses off and don't bring crime and gangs etc like other ethnic groups do. But we get laughed at? In Hollywood and the culture at large? Even on the forum, Indians get a lot of flack because of one fucking guy. Like one IRT represents the whole group? Fuck all that noise. I'm proud to be Indian, I'm proud of the traditional values I was brought up with. If these fucking white dudes kept any of their traditional values, America wouldn't be the cultural clusterfuck that it is today. But instead we have a society where smarts, discipline and intelligence is mocked because it's just not "cool". But partying excessively, doing drugs and spending your time supplicating to skanks is what we need to do be considered cool? For the FOBs living here, I would assimilate and understand the culture since you've decided to live in a foreign country but don't put these white chicks on any sort of pedestal. Most white bitches are so basic and stupid and do not deserve it. Basing your self esteem on their validation is foolish. Just looked how cucked most white guys have become in America from them putting their women on a pedestal. Be proud and give two fucks less. Then watch the white bitches toss their pussiez your way ( cause any white chick I've ever fucked loves dark dick).

The bolded parts are absolute truth bombs.

I recommend any minority (Indians especially) with an inferiority complex towards white people to actually spend significant time around them. Hear about how the 2008 recession absolutely gutted working class white people and left many of them penniless. One of the first friends I made in college was a white kid from Colorado who narrowly escaped his home getting foreclosed and his family going absolutely bankrupt. One of my best buddies is a white dude from rural Oregon who graduated with an unemployable degree -- he was made further unemployable when the agricultural base of his hometown got flooded with illegal immigrants, meaning that he couldn't even get a job picking grass seed.

These are by and large problems that Indians and Asians don't deal with. We similarly don't have to deal with a media that is dedicated to screaming about how racist we are, or constantly bombarding us with passive aggressive messages. I can't even imagine how annoying that shit must be for the average white dude, I think this more than anything must have clinched Trump's victory.

We also have these things called strong families and an actual culture, both of which are sorely lacking in white suburbia. White families have a vastly higher divorce rate than Asians/Indians, guess how that goes for the kids. White dudes compose 35% of the population, but 75% of all suicides. I've had a number of close friends who were both white and Indian. I think I knew one Indian guy who was abused by his parents, while literally every single close white friend that I've had -- perhaps ten across my short lifetime -- had severely fucked up family situations, ranging from abuse to divorce to sexual assault to a history of mental illness.

Almost every single Indian American family that I've met has treated their kids like gold, at the very least done their best to ensure their success. I absolutely cannot say the same thing for the white families I've known.

Not to knock the parents of some of my white brothers who did a fantastic job, but it is impossible to deny that there is a strong culture malaise affecting white people right now.

You see it in the blatant self hate from white liberals, the preponderance of school shootings at the hands of alienated/crazy whites, and the demographic decline of White Americans in favor of abortions and feminist-fueled casual sex.

Moreover, there really is no cohesive white culture, no homeland for them to go to. When I listen to classical Carnatic music or the Qawwali singing of North India, I feel a connection with my ancestral homeland and culture. I can go back to India and find a five thousand year old culture that inherently belongs to me. As a Brahmin I can participate in ancient rituals and enter temples that would be closed to outsiders.

When I ask white kids how they feel going to Europe, they could give less of a fuck, outside of getting plastered they feel no connection with their ancestral heritage. Up to four hundred years separates white Americans from their ancestral homeland, but for us as Indian guys, we still maintain a strong link to our motherland. This is worth a lot. I recommend that any Indian guys with self esteem issues actually read more about the history of India. Do your Rajput, Sikh, Nair and Maratha ancestors proud, these guys were among the greatest warriors of their time, repeatedly defeating both the Muslims and the British. If they could do that, you can go bang some white girls.

Post: #353

I feel ya Doc.

Yeah, my parents were FOBs too when they came around 1980. I remember them having to basically yell the entire conversation when calling home, since the connection was so bad!

As for working hard but getting laughed at, that was certainly one of my reasons to leave. But I think that's part of the larger picture of the recent West hating success and molly coddling failure, which spans across race.

But flip the script back to what you can control. East and Southeast Asian forum members are already traveling. On the black guy game thread, Kirdiesel and Excelsior just made the case for them too. Are you guys ready for this discussion as well?

Post: #354

I have just read the responses to my reply. I am not willing to pick up a fight or troll. I'm just clarifying my position. Honestly, I just want to get along.

Let me clarify: My intention wasn't to call out American-Indians. I'm calling out all Indian men. Most Indian men have mental issues, period (blame the parents if you want).

About me-- the reason why I have a love/hate relationship with Indian men:

I had a lot of problems, just like all of you guys in the beginning. No, I am not a rich or an upper class guy. My parents are poor. I still remember those days when I didn't have a penny to buy a gift for my friends. So, I started working hard. Got into IIT (and eventually dropped out). Ended up with trading and make a shit load of money. Now, according to my estimates I should hit the million mark in one or two years.

Seriously, I started at the bottom. The path was really really tough(thought of killing myself twice in the process). I'm just trying to make it sound simple.

"What does my story have to do with anything?"

The thing is, I tried to help a lot of people along my way (with game and money). I have noticed something-----no one really wants to work hard!! Instead they always come back, buy me a whiskey and start "crying" about their problems and how the world is unfair to them. I then ask them "how many times did you fail? What did you learn?". Most of the time I get vague answers that show that they aren't working hard enough.

If you want to get women, you've got to put in the work. Get rejected 100 times or 200 times(I got rejected nearly 115 times!!! One girl even threatened me with a police complaint.). It doesn't matter in the long run. That's the only way you can assess your weakness and solve your mental issues. Sitting on a forum and "complaining" about how it's "hard" for American-Indians doesn't solve the problem.

The world will always be unfair to you in one way or another, period. Get over it. Let me quote marcus aurelius here.

Quote: “You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”

and

Quote:“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”

Finally, picking up women in India is not easy. Give it a try. Good luck. I want to explain the reasons but this is not the topic of this post. I have picked up some western chicks who visited India. (I actually like western girls. They are more laid back when it comes to having sex. Looking forward to go on a few holiday trips with probably some of you guys after I hit the million mark.)

Hope I clarified everything. To summarize, I don't like guys who don't wanna put in the extra effort. That's it. I'm not personally hating on anyone. Are we all good now?

To that guy who made memes about me: Man. What's the point? Thanks for putting in the effort to troll me anyways.

Post: #355

Quote:I get mad when Indians get laughed at for being "nerds" or "squares". Indians and Asians come here, work their asses off and don't bring crime and gangs etc like other ethnic groups do. But we get laughed at? In Hollywood and the culture at large? Even on the forum, Indians get a lot of flack because of one fucking guy. Like one IRT represents the whole group? Fuck all that noise. I'm proud to be Indian, I'm proud of the traditional values I was brought up with. If these fucking white dudes kept any of their traditional values, America wouldn't be the cultural clusterfuck that it is today. But instead we have a society where smarts, discipline and intelligence is mocked because it's just not "cool". But partying excessively, doing drugs and spending your time supplicating to skanks is what we need to do be considered cool? For the FOBs living here, I would assimilate and understand the culture since you've decided to live in a foreign country but don't put these white chicks on any sort of pedestal. Most white bitches are so basic and stupid and do not deserve it. Basing your self esteem on their validation is foolish. Just looked how cucked most white guys have become in America from them putting their women on a pedestal. Be proud and give two fucks less. Then watch the white bitches toss their pussiez your way ( cause any white chick I've ever fucked loves dark dick).

Why so angry? Every race is stereotyped.

In a large enough time frame, every civilization collapses. Let's just enjoy the collapse and try to make money out of it.

Heard a lot about this dark skin fantasy of white women. Care to explain?

Post: #356

(02-08-2017 11:08 AM)tapthatass Wrote:  I have just read the responses to my reply. I am not willing to pick up a fight or troll. I'm just clarifying my position. Honestly, I just want to get along.

Let me clarify: My intention wasn't to call out American-Indians. I'm calling out all Indian men. Most Indian men have mental issues, period (blame the parents if you want).

About me-- the reason why I have a love/hate relationship with Indian men:

I had a lot of problems, just like all of you guys in the beginning. No, I am not a rich or an upper class guy. My parents are poor. I still remember those days when I didn't have a penny to buy a gift for my friends. So, I started working hard. Got into IIT (and eventually dropped out). Ended up with trading and make a shit load of money. Now, according to my estimates I should hit the million mark in one or two years.

Seriously, I started at the bottom. The path was really really tough(thought of killing myself twice in the process). I'm just trying to make it sound simple.

"What does my story have to do with anything?"

The thing is, I tried to help a lot of people along my way (with game and money). I have noticed something-----no one really wants to work hard!! Instead they always come back, buy me a whiskey and start "crying" about their problems and how the world is unfair to them. I then ask them "how many times did you fail? What did you learn?". Most of the time I get vague answers that show that they aren't working hard enough.

If you want to get women, you've got to put in the work. Get rejected 100 times or 200 times(I got rejected nearly 115 times!!! One girl even threatened me with a police complaint.). It doesn't matter in the long run. That's the only way you can assess your weakness and solve your mental issues. Sitting on a forum and "complaining" about how it's "hard" for American-Indians doesn't solve the problem.

The world will always be unfair to you in one way or another, period. Get over it. Let me quote marcus aurelius here.

Quote: “You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”

and

Quote:“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”

Finally, picking up women in India is not easy. Give it a try. Good luck. I want to explain the reasons but this is not the topic of this post. I have picked up some western chicks who visited India. (I actually like western girls. They are more laid back when it comes to having sex. Looking forward to go on a few holiday trips with probably some of you guys after I hit the million mark.)

Hope I clarified everything. To summarize, I don't like guys who don't wanna put in the extra effort. That's it. I'm not personally hating on anyone. Are we all good now?

To that guy who made memes about me: Man. What's the point? Thanks for putting in the effort to troll me anyways.

Fair warning to the forum membership: This will come across very harsh but I have a point. I'm not trying to be a dick but it needs to be said in this way to get the message across clearly.

You started off on my thread with "I ..cringe.. when I read things like this." That's why I called you out. You did this without reading the thread or understanding any of it. At least that is what it seems like. Growing up in India is not the same as growing up in the west. When you clarified your intentions above, instead of being humble, you basically say you're calling out "all" Indians. Is it fair to do that to people that are trying but have a tough time due to their social upbringing?

Let me be very clear to you when I say this "Not giving a fuck or not caring what others think" is not the same in different cultures. Not at all! While it may come across smooth in some cultures, in others, it can come across as "try hard." That's how your posts come across. You're basically screaming that x and y works across the ocean to people on the other side that have to deal with different social rules.

We already know it's hard and we already put in the effort. You're not teaching us anything new. We are discussing the difficulties of game that come with cultural adaptation, especially how to deal with internally. Many of the guys here have been with a variety of women and done a variety of approaches in a variety of situations. We are not "just" on the forum. A lot of our accomplishments are also documented on the forum. You can easily read mine. None of this means we are complaining but rather trying to adjust our approach by sharing our experiences.

I was born in India and commend my Indian brothers for wanting to try hard, but my suggestion to you is to be a little more humble. Don't act like "you have arrived," because I know you haven't. Putting others down for speaking openly about issues is a manner of trying too hard to convince them you have arrived.

My question to you is this: Instead of making broad claims about how too many people are complaining, and how people should stop caring so much, how about you engage in a meaningful discussion about your specific experiences and how they relate to issues that others face? If you can do that, then you're welcome. If not, we have a lot of PUAs out there that spew the same nonsense that we can get "coaching" from.

I look forward to your response.

Post: #357

(02-08-2017 11:22 AM)tapthatass Wrote:  

Quote:I get mad when Indians get laughed at for being "nerds" or "squares". Indians and Asians come here, work their asses off and don't bring crime and gangs etc like other ethnic groups do. But we get laughed at? In Hollywood and the culture at large? Even on the forum, Indians get a lot of flack because of one fucking guy. Like one IRT represents the whole group? Fuck all that noise. I'm proud to be Indian, I'm proud of the traditional values I was brought up with. If these fucking white dudes kept any of their traditional values, America wouldn't be the cultural clusterfuck that it is today. But instead we have a society where smarts, discipline and intelligence is mocked because it's just not "cool". But partying excessively, doing drugs and spending your time supplicating to skanks is what we need to do be considered cool? For the FOBs living here, I would assimilate and understand the culture since you've decided to live in a foreign country but don't put these white chicks on any sort of pedestal. Most white bitches are so basic and stupid and do not deserve it. Basing your self esteem on their validation is foolish. Just looked how cucked most white guys have become in America from them putting their women on a pedestal. Be proud and give two fucks less. Then watch the white bitches toss their pussiez your way ( cause any white chick I've ever fucked loves dark dick).

Why so angry? Every race is stereotyped.

In a large enough time frame, every civilization collapses. Let's just enjoy the collapse and try to make money out of it.

Heard a lot about this dark skin fantasy of white women. Care to explain?

Typical Indian guy inferiority complex. How many white women have you approached and why care about that? I'd love to see your approaches or read about how they went.

Post: #358

I'm not Indian, but if I could provide one tip for Indian guys it would be this:

If a girl blows you off, stop trying to convince her that she should be interested in you. More than any other ethnic group, I've seen a lot of first-gen Indian guys here in the United States blow it with "try hard" game. If a girl says she's not interested, move on to the next one. Stop trying to "convince" her. It just makes you look desperate and creepy.

I don't know enough about Indian culture in India. Perhaps constant persistence to the point of harassment actually works with Indian women from India. But here in the West, if you try to pull that "game" you're more likely to be bounced from a bar or slapped with a restraining order. At the risk of sounding like a feminist, learn to take "no" as an answer if she's not interested.

There's still a few billion women left in the world who might say "yes".

Post: #359

(02-08-2017 07:08 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  I'm not Indian, but if I could provide one tip for Indian guys it would be this:

If a girl blows you off, stop trying to convince her that she should be interested in you. More than any other ethnic group, I've seen a lot of first-gen Indian guys here in the United States blow it with "try hard" game. If a girl says she's not interested, move on to the next one. Stop trying to "convince" her. It just makes you look desperate and creepy.

I don't know enough about Indian culture in India. Perhaps constant persistence to the point of harassment actually works with Indian women from India. But here in the West, if you try to pull that "game" you're more likely to be bounced from a bar or slapped with a restraining order. At the risk of sounding like a feminist, learn to take "no" as an answer if she's not interested.

There's still a few billion women left in the world who might say "yes".

Agree. A lot of Indian guys in India still think this works but it doesn't in the west.

This is one social rule that may be significantly different between India and the west. Appreciate you adding that.

Post: #360

Tapthatass raised a few good points, but I'm goin to have to side with Cobra here...what works in a largely conservative, racially homogenous country like India does not simply carry over automatically to the West. Yes, the basic shit still helps: be confident, funny, look good etc. but in the West, non-white guys have to deal with lots of negative stereotyping, portrayal as beta males (unfortunately justified in many cases) in the media, cultural programming of women about the types of guys they "should" be dating/hooking up with and so on. Additionally, women's expectations for "good" game are also different. I've seen the efforts of a number of my friends over the years who were great with women generally fall completely flat when they tried the same techniques on FOB Indian women, for instance.

Also, @tapthatass, picking up Western women in India is different than picking them up here - if a woman travels to India, chances are she's already "down with brown" - she probably sees the culture in a more positive light, is likely more open to men of other races etc. Those things may or may not hold when you cold approach a woman here in the West - you'll only find out after you start talking.

So it's quite a different ballgame because you have to counteract a different - and I'd argue more challenging - set of forces...

I have a similar background as Cobra actually - born in India, moved here as a kid and grew up in Los Angeles in now in NYC.

Post: #361

(02-08-2017 07:22 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 07:08 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  I'm not Indian, but if I could provide one tip for Indian guys it would be this:

If a girl blows you off, stop trying to convince her that she should be interested in you. More than any other ethnic group, I've seen a lot of first-gen Indian guys here in the United States blow it with "try hard" game. If a girl says she's not interested, move on to the next one. Stop trying to "convince" her. It just makes you look desperate and creepy.

I don't know enough about Indian culture in India. Perhaps constant persistence to the point of harassment actually works with Indian women from India. But here in the West, if you try to pull that "game" you're more likely to be bounced from a bar or slapped with a restraining order. At the risk of sounding like a feminist, learn to take "no" as an answer if she's not interested.

There's still a few billion women left in the world who might say "yes".

Agree. A lot of Indian guys in India still think this works but it doesn't in the west.

This is one social rule that may be significantly different between India and the west. Appreciate you adding that.

No problem. Dial back the aggression and pay attention to the body language cues that say "I'm not interested". If a woman is sending those signals, you need to calibrate accordingly. Focus less on what you're saying, and more on how she's responding. Good luck.

Post: #362

(02-08-2017 07:27 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  Tapthatass raised a few good points, but I'm goin to have to side with Cobra here...what works in a largely conservative, racially homogenous country like India does not simply carry over automatically to the West. Yes, the basic shit still helps: be confident, funny, look good etc. but in the West, non-white guys have to deal with lots of negative stereotyping, portrayal as beta males (unfortunately justified in many cases) in the media, cultural programming of women about the types of guys they "should" be dating/hooking up with and so on. Additionally, women's expectations for "good" game are also different. I've seen the efforts of a number of my friends over the years who were great with women generally fall completely flat when they tried the same techniques on FOB Indian women, for instance.

Also, @tapthatass, picking up Western women in India is different than picking them up here - if a woman travels to India, chances are she's already "down with brown" - she probably sees the culture in a more positive light, is likely more open to men of other races etc. Those things may or may not hold when you cold approach a woman here in the West - you'll only find out after you start talking.

So it's quite a different ballgame because you have to counteract a different - and I'd argue more challenging - set of forces...

I have a similar background as Cobra actually - born in India, moved here as a kid and grew up in Los Angeles in now in NYC.

I agree with this to an extent, but I think a bigger problem is the idea that white guys magically have a much easier time with women than we do. Talk all you want about cultural stereotyping, white privilege etc, but it doesn't do shit for my many white friends who get zero pussy at all. My roommate is a British guy who plays guitar, should be easy for him here in LA right? Nope, he goes through the same bullshit in the dating game as the rest of us, the same flakes, the same nonsense. I used to go to a beach town university in Southern California, with a male student body largely composed of rich, athletic white guys (no homo).

Guess what? Through diligent effort I outpulled the vast majority of those that I knew. I outpulled my buddy Ryan who was 225 pounds of solid muscle, built like a horse. I outpulled my boy Alex, who actually looked and was built very similarly to me -- this is a white guy who basically had my build and features, yet had 2 % of the sex I had at that university. He had a sexless relationship with one of my friends and made out with a fat girl. I fucked sixteen girls at that school, some of whom were solid 8's. So honestly, fuck all that noise about negative stereotypes, I agree that they exist but they're far less of an issue than anyone thinks.

The bigger issue is that game is hard as fuck in general, to consistently bang 6's and above will at bare minimum require a lot of time and a lot effort. Even fratboys and athletes who bang the hottest girls still had to go through brutal pledge processes and training to get there. The fratboys had to pay out the nose to get access to those hot white girls, the athletes had to work like slaves to get recruited at D1 schools.

Height, musculature, and looks, that's a different ballgame. Bottom line is that game takes work, we all know this, worrying about negative stereotypes is honestly not the way to go, ESPECIALLY for Indian guys.

Post: #363

(02-08-2017 07:48 PM)Agastya Wrote:  I agree with this to an extent, but I think a bigger problem is the idea that white guys magically have a much easier time with women than we do. Talk all you want about cultural stereotyping, white privilege etc, but it doesn't do shit for my many white friends who get zero pussy at all. My roommate is a British guy who plays guitar, should be easy for him here in LA right? Nope, he goes through the same bullshit in the dating game as the rest of us, the same flakes, the same nonsense. I used to go to a beach town university in Southern California, with a male student body largely composed of rich, athletic white guys (no homo).

Guess what? Through diligent effort I outpulled the vast majority of those that I knew. I outpulled my buddy Ryan who was 225 pounds of solid muscle, built like a horse. I outpulled my boy Alex, who actually looked and was built very similarly to me -- this is a white guy who basically had my build and features, yet had 2 % of the sex I had at that university. He had a sexless relationship with one of my friends and made out with a fat girl. I fucked sixteen girls at that school, some of whom were solid 8's. So honestly, fuck all that noise about negative stereotypes, I agree that they exist but they're far less of an issue than anyone thinks.

The bigger issue is that game is hard as fuck in general, to consistently bang 6's and above will at bare minimum require a lot of time and a lot effort. Even fratboys and athletes who bang the hottest girls still had to go through brutal pledge processes and training to get there. The fratboys had to pay out the nose to get access to those hot white girls, the athletes had to work like slaves to get recruited at D1 schools.

Height, musculature, and looks, that's a different ballgame. Bottom line is that game takes work, we all know this, worrying about negative stereotypes is honestly not the way to go, ESPECIALLY for Indian guys.

It's not about worrying, it's about acknowledging the situation so you can best tailor your game and your targets for maximum results. I've had way more success with Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian, and generally all kinds of European women here than I've had with American women. The foreign chics consistently think of me as just American, whereas the first question most American girls ask is, "where are you originally from?".

Kudos to you for getting with those women, but you were running a kind of social circle game - there's a study showing that generally people tend to be more open to someone of another race, if they see that person hangin out with members of their own race - I'll post it in a bit. Even if your buddies weren't pulling, you were seen hangin out with them which certainly helped your case. I'm not saying this to take credit away from you, just pointing out that these things help. If you hung out entirely with Indians and no one else, do you really think you'd still pull as much? The Indian guys I've seen doing well usually rolled with a mixed or all-white (other than themselves) crew.

In most US cities, if you dropped a non-white dude and a white guy of equal game at a bar, the white dude would almost certainly outpull the non-white guy. That's not "obsessing about race", that's acknowledging the reality here in the US. Things may be different elsewhere - I've heard stories of places where Black dudes were treated like a great novelty and many women were super attracted to them, for instance.

It's also why I'm seriously considering moving or traveling for extended periods of time. The ROI for me on foreign women is much sweeter than it is for American women.

Post: #364

See tapthatass, look at how these other Indian dudes are having a great conversation, dropping some great info, rather than self-aggrandizing and being jack asses. They all agree that gaming in India is not the same as gaming in the West. Not that one is better than the other, but they're just different is all. I would fail miserably in India, no doubt while you would probably have difficulty here (although you might do just fine, I don't know you. One thing I've learned through my life is to never underestimate anyone).

Post: #365

@agastya

I respect men like you. This is what I want everyone to do -- Internalize the prejudice and get over it.


@cobra

My situational experiences? Sure. I will share my experiences in the future when the topic is related to Indian women and if people request it.

Regarding your complete response, I have to nothing to respond because your responses are emotional (no point in arguing over an emotional response.) You're talking as if every western woman is racist and no Indian is ever getting laid there. It just makes no sense. Look at agastya, he's doing a great job and getting along just fine.

My responses are generalized because I haven't "gamed" in a western country. So I don't have any situational responses or stories that might directly help you.

Regarding my game, I'm pretty sure I will get pussy even in western countries because I have the right mindset. Mostly, I should be ok .If not, I will keep on trying till I figure out what works. Rejection is not a big deal(surprise!!!). Let me say this again: if you get over the prejudices and change your mindset then you've solved 80% of the problem.

Sexual markets are situationally different but generally operate under the same mechanics. I hope I don't have to explain it in detail here. Being muscular, strong pick up lines, good facial features ..for example are situational requirements that vary from market to market. Being funny,charming , the ability to make sure she has a good time, the ability to build social connections are the same everywhere. I constantly tell people to focus more on mechanics rather than specifics.


@John Michael Kane

" Perhaps constant persistence to the point of harassment actually works with Indian women from India" -- easiest way to ensure jail time or getting beaten up by that girl's brother/beta orbiter.

Post: #366

@tapthatass this thread was meant to be positive. I don't need the help and am satisfied where I am. I don't believe I am at a disadvantage and have no issues with race. That said, it was a journey, and for many in our race it always is. That was the point of the thread originally, about getting over it and seeing yourself at an advantage.

I still have no absolute clue how you missed this. That's my point. If you want to make a point, fine but it may be good for you to read what was written first and be more constructive. Instead you started grand standing about how you cringe when someone describes their difficulties. That's not cool.

Agastya made his points very well and I agree with him for the most part. However, you don't have the same humility or perspective he does to be able to judge people who may be on a different learning curve.

You're new to the forum. Before challenging members here, I would suggest you build a reputation first and some credibility. We are here to help people.

Let's try this again: This thread was and always will be about acknowledging odds and overcoming them for Indian guys in the west. That doesn't mean the odds are stacked against Indian men but it does mean that if it seems that way it's due to social programming and it can be improved. People have advantages but if they can't understand what they are, then it needs to be worked on. Eventually as you do, the superficial things like race no longer seem like they matter, as should be the case.

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Tapthatass -- I refrained from commenting here and on your thread because it didn't feel right raining on your parade since you've tried to add value through the datasheet. However, it appears that minor recognition has gone to your head and you've started commenting on other threads swinging your dick around like its made of pure gold. It is not.

What is cringe is the datasheet that you posted. You outline NO real strategy except generic advice like "you need pickup skills and some knowledge" / "got to make her laugh and have a good time" / "typical strategies posted in the forum should work" and giving her "a reason to blame for having sex with you". Like, thanks genius, that really added a lot to my arsenal.

For a self proclaimed player, you seem to offer barely any specifics with reference to how to proceed. You dont need to isolate girls to ask for their numbers, what the fuck. If anything, that'll set off creeper alerts more often than not. Apparently Indian women wait for the right situation to wait for sex (unlike, say other women), and your advice is to "create those situations". You posit that it takes 1-3 MONTHS to have sex with Indian women. Thanks, playa. Apparently "Indian women love their alpha man", unlike other women. Also texting is not purely for logistics like you suggest, ESPECIALLY in a sexually repressed country like India where you do need to build significantly more comfort and attraction and texting is a great way to do that.

Also, I dont even want to go into the penis size debate, theres a shitton of inconsistency but good job telling your viewership how most of them have small dicks. The pictures you posted of "hot girls" and "really hot girls" are NOWHERE near the top tier. Dont care if you dumpster dive or cant attract top tier, Im not about to judge or shame a fellow man on his taste, but you're deluding yourself and the readers.

I've lived in India for over two years in most of the large cities, and got laid plenty without having to wait 1-3 months. Try and keep an open mind and accomodate alternative viewpoints, especially about countries and cultures you have no clue about -- you barely seem to have an idea about getting laid in India. Your responses are generalized because you haven't "gamed" anywhere outside the country, and yet you posit your experiences are directly transferable everywhere. I find it exceptionally bad taste to come into a thread and start slinging shit at other respected members who're having a conversation about something you have ZERO experience about.
Ive gotten laid in both places and they ARE significantly different. At least try being respectful and understand what these members are trying to say.

Quote:Sexual markets are situationally different but generally operate under the same mechanics. I hope I don't have to explain it in detail here. Being muscular, strong pick up lines, good facial features ..for example are situational requirements that vary from market to market. Being funny,charming , the ability to make sure she has a good time, the ability to build social connections are the same everywhere. I constantly tell people to focus more on mechanics rather than specifics.

Again, generic advice. You don't go into detail because you don't HAVE details. Also, what does it say about your social skills that you come into a thread about Indian people, get called out repeatedly by respected members and still spew the same rhetoric again? A little humility goes a long way. Please stop.

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Damn 262 got banned?? Hopefully wasn't due to this thread. He had been around for a while.

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(02-08-2017 08:10 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  It's not about worrying, it's about acknowledging the situation so you can best tailor your game and your targets for maximum results. I've had way more success with Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian, and generally all kinds of European women here than I've had with American women. The foreign chics consistently think of me as just American, whereas the first question most American girls ask is, "where are you originally from?".

This is all reasonable, but at the same time, it's important to remember that your results are largely the result of your personality/look, and not necessarily
by your race. I regularly used to bang "woke" black girls, I am the only Indian guy (actually, the only person) I know who did well with this demographic. It clearly wasn't my race alone that made them attracted to me.

I'd say that my success with them was entirely caused by my extreme jungle fever and the fact that I approached damn near every hot black girl at my school, if there was a hot black girl at a party yours truly would be spitting game at her first. I also polled these black girls about the guys they'd been with. Most had either been solely with black guys or with white guys, so it's not like black women culturally have a fetish for Indian guys at all, in fact when I trolled one girl about "fetishising Indian men" she made a face of disgust.

I have another Indian friend who does very well with Latinas, and I've met some fratty whitewashed Indians who kill it with the sorority girls. A bunch of random factors decide what demographic you'll do the best with. jselysianeagle, it's probably a variety of factors that make you attractive to EE women, of which race plays a small part. I'm sure there are black, Asian, Latin, and White men having similar success with that demographic -- I actually, I know that there are, just spend ten minutes reading the Travel Forum! This is why I think Indian guys blow race out of proportion.

(02-08-2017 08:10 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  Kudos to you for getting with those women, but you were running a kind of social circle game - there's a study showing that generally people tend to be more open to someone of another race, if they see that person hangin out with members of their own race - I'll post it in a bit. Even if your buddies weren't pulling, you were seen hangin out with them which certainly helped your case. I'm not saying this to take credit away from you, just pointing out that these things help. If you hung out entirely with Indians and no one else, do you really think you'd still pull as much? The Indian guys I've seen doing well usually rolled with a mixed or all-white (other than themselves) crew.

This is untrue, I pulled every single one of these women solo dolo. The hottest women I fucked I met randomly, mostly through daygame or solo nightgame. I'd say there were a couple women who fell into my lap as a result of me being on a certain sports team, but they weren't into me because my friends were white, they were into me because my sport was hard as fuck, threw great parties, and had a good reputation. Literally none of the women I banged ever saw my friends.

I actually do have an Indian crew back in my hometown. I'd actually say it helps. One of my best buddy dated a pretty hot girl who we were all friends with, two of my boys also hooked up with another cute Indian girl from a social circle. My home region is a hotbed of Indian Americans, Indians are normal there and there are always some thirsty Indian girls trying to resolve their latent sexual frustration with me or one of my boys or someone else who we distantly know. If I was around these guys all the time, I 100% think I would pull, honestly I think I would pull more. I grew up around these dudes and miss em to death, I'd be in a way better headspace if I could see them more.

(02-08-2017 08:10 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  In most US cities, if you dropped a non-white dude and a white guy of equal game at a bar, the white dude would almost certainly outpull the non-white guy. That's not "obsessing about race", that's acknowledging the reality here in the US. Things may be different elsewhere - I've heard stories of places where Black dudes were treated like a great novelty and many women were super attracted to them, for instance.

It's also why I'm seriously considering moving or traveling for extended periods of time. The ROI for me on foreign women is much sweeter than it is for American women.

Ah, the mythical "average guy with average game", I haven't seen this trope since the GManifesto stopped posting here. The fact is, such a person doesn't exist. You don't know what kind of girls are going to be at that bar. You don't know the personal characteristics of the "non-white dude" and "the white dude". You don't know how the personal characteristics of the dudes are going to mesh with the personal characteristics of the girls. I've seen Indian guys kill it in bars while white dudes were left holding their dicks. I've been at parties where my better looking white friend did outperform me, but not in any meaningful way -- he danced with a girl that rejected me and made out with her. Who fucking cares? How many girls have we all danced with/made out with her, a couple thousand?

Point I'm making is that these racial complexes are almost entirely mental. I had a Persian buddy who was complaining that LA was tough for his breed, I told him to look up an individual named Barack Obama.

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East indian (punjabi) born and raised in Canada checking in here. I haven't read the entire thread but am enjoying reading the discussions so far. Being born to immigrant parents I can relate to some of the same issues that affect FOBs also. One flaw I definitely share with FOB men is being a momma's boy who has always been told throughout his life that white women are whores and that I would be better off to stick to my own kind. It's one thing that's had a negative effect on my personal development when growing up in a town that's basically 90% white. I feel like I may have developed an anti social personality disorder as a result. Having said that I'm not ashamed of my Indian roots either, but being brought up in a conservative indian household has definitely done its damage.

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Whoa, is wahwahwah/sharkie Indian? No way! Awesome. Always happy to see our various indian players breaking the mold.

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@agastya - great to hear of your successes. Here in NYC (and generally the Northeast from what I've been told), though, it's really not that common to see Indian dudes with cute American women. Not trying to argue, just stating what I've observed from years of living and partying in Manhattan. It doesn't bother me as I do well enough with other races/ethnicities of women (specifically European/Russian/Latin), and my Asian friends here report the exact same experiences, FWIW. So I always encourage my buddies to try different venues where the odds would be better for them.

Note that I'm not suggesting any of this is an iron rule of some sort - maybe others will jump in to contradict me, and that's fine. Like I said, just stating my own observations, that's all.

And agreed, no one should have a racial complex, just figure out what works for you and go from there. My general point to all the Indian bros reading is that once you figure out that some things and some women respond to you better than others, be more strategic so you maximize your ROI. I've seen way too many guys obsessing over the blonde, white chic while failing to notice the fine Latin/Black/etc. women they could've been getting with. Just about every guy (except perhaps the truly 1%) will experience greater success with some demographics of women than with others. Take a lesson from our Black brothers over in the Travel forum - it's worth nothing that so many are traveling abroad and experiencing great success.

Good to also hear of so many Indian bros on here doin well, though

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Play from 1:30 onwards

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^^^^What a fucking faggot - he lets his chick drool over other dudes in front of her.

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@tapthatass and wahawahwah
It would be great if you guys would post about you notches in india. The forum doesn't have many indian contributors. How can we ignore a country which has one seventh of world population