Post: #51

(01-19-2017 11:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  See, when Banks first arrived I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and did so for a long time. "Good grammar. Good punctuation. Proper sentence structure. There's obviously a brain there. Either we agree, or he can be reached, or he can convince me."

But the unfortunate reality is that his mind appears to be very cloistered. Nothing much gets in and instead he bounces back responses that seem almost pre-programmed. Like an automated message service telling you "press nine for a back-pedalling non-retraction".

On the other side of this firewall is understandably a lack of information to work with, to the point where much of the debate Rob is having is actually entirely imaginary. Key words slip through the firewall and he conjures up the rest out of thin air, occasionally opening the mail slot on the door to his psyche to toss out a missive that appears relevant at first glance but upon closer inspection is revealed to be a response to a debate that is being largely constructed on both sides in his imagination.

Case in point.

(01-19-2017 09:38 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  ...
You did not quote all the times I said I don't support honor killings, I don't want Islam in the West, etc.

I am "indifferent" to the inner dealings of Muslim society in the sense that I don't think the U.S. (or the U.K. or any other Western country) should be sending troops into the Middle East to prevent them from performing honor killings. Why should we care about what they are doing in their own countries?

Are you seriously going to argue that Western countries should send troops into the Middle East to stop them from performing honor killings? Why do you think that we should care about their private lives at all? It is not our job to civilize the entire world.

Like I said, I think honor killings are wrong, but I don't think the West needs to intervene. It's the Muslims' problem, not ours. If that's too "indifferent" for you, then so be it.
...

Nobody mentioned military intervention to fix shitty cultures. This was just conjured up out of sheer nothingness. A figment constructed from any number of other debates he'd had in the past. "Press five for random counterpoint".

I know no one mentioned military intervention. I was explaining my own quote.

I had said the following:

(01-14-2017 10:01 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  I support the right of someone like Duterte to execute drug dealers in his country if he feels it is necessary. I also support the right of Muslims to perform "honor killings" if a woman engages in premarital sex, if they feel it is necessary to discourage their women from becoming sluts. But I sure as hell don't want any of these things being done in the U.S.

People took that to mean that I supported honor killings, so I had to explain that I don't support honor killings. I support the "right" of any country to handle its internal affairs the way it sees fit without military intervention (or any other type of intervention) from the West. That does not mean I support honor killings, or Duterte's killing of drug dealers/users, etc.

I felt this was necessary to explain, since so many people seemed to be getting on my case about my supposed "support" for honor killings.

(01-19-2017 11:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  This is why Rob so frequently ends up getting cornered before complaining that everyone is ganging up on him. In fairness everyone re-constructs other people's arguments to a degree, but while the rest of us take the content to be 95% and inject 5% of personal assumption, Rob appears to do the opposite.

That's why certain threads he involves himself in end up becoming meandering fuckfests where everybody wonders why he doesn't get it when in reality he's not even reading what you write, he's creating a whole other thread in his head, typing up rebuttals and hitting "post reply".

What's worse, the more negative feedback he gets the thinner that mail slit in the door gets. Less of the real world gets in and after about 3 thread pages all you'll get is "press one to hear these options again, or hang up to do something more useful with your life".

And, Rob, I'm not saying this to throw shit on you. I'm saying this because now that I've taken the time to look at your modus operandi, having given you the benefit of the doubt for a while, I now stand by what I've said above 100% because it's obviously not just me that you're rubbing the wrong way.

Take some advice (press seven, for "I hear what you're saying, but..."). You've got to seriously alter the way you approach not just the internet but (I'm guessing) the world. Assumption is the mother of all fuckups and you appear to have created most of your world out of assumption.

You need to go back to basics. Clear your head. Look. Listen. Hear. Smell. Touch. No preconditions. No assumptions. No ego.

Raw data.

Because the longer you maintain this idea that everyone is going out of their way to misinterpret you the longer you will suffer and in the worst case, the uglier your delusional self protection will get.

That is all.

Fair enough. I will keep this in mind.

Just to be clear, I don't believe "everyone is going out of their way to misinterpret" me.

Nobody here even knows me in real life, so obviously they're not going out of their way to misinterpret me or treat me differently.

If people are misinterpreting me, it is obviously because of the way I am expressing myself.

For example, when I created this thread, I made the mistake of starting my OP with my quote from the Drug Policy thread in which I "defended" the right to perform honor killings. This made it seem like I created this thread to complain about people's negative responses to my post "supporting" honor killings.

I feel like a lot of people read the first part of my post and immediately thought "this guy Rob supports honor killings, and he is complaining that people responded negatively to that."

In reality, I have been thinking of creating a thread about this topic (Islam and women, not honor killings) for a while. The comment about honor killings just prompted me to do it sooner.

Anyway, I appreciate your advice. I feel like people on this forum will tell you things and give you advice that people in rear life won't tell you. I really do appreciate that.

Anyway, I'm off to go watch Trump's inauguration.

Post: #52

(01-19-2017 08:31 PM)Different T Wrote:  Yet another thread inextricably bound up with Leonard’s Libertarianism thread.
@ Kavi

Did most of your acquaintances agree with the concept of honor killings? Did the State in those places sanction them or do nothing, was there even a State in such places?

From the information I’ve seen, these crimes are treated as homicides by the State in Islamic countries (not to mention Western countries), though some seem to label them specifically as “honor killings” when it comes to sentencing, etc. If this is so strange, have you ever heard of “crimes of passion” in the West?

Look, this is straight up, talking about Pakistan. 90% of people who matter agree with honor killings, people who disagree are likely to be on the margins of society, westernised liberal women, blue pill men, gays etc.

The state has laws againsts honor kilings only due to pressure from the west, this I guarantee you. I am certain none of the politicians in that country are against honor killings, libertarianism is a massive part of the culture over there, and the state tries not to interfere in peoples personal lives.

A law was only recently overturned where the family of a murder victim (male or female) could pardon the murderer (usually in lieu of blood money or whatever).

There was a case where a woman left her husband and ran off with another man. Her family claimed the man abducted her and there was some court case. When she arrived to court, her family beat her to death (she was also 6 months pregnant), numerous onlookers and watched and did nothing, more importantly even the police watched and did nothing.

The police did nothing because deep down they feel it is not their business interfering in the family issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m...d-to-death

Quote:"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," Mujahid, the police investigator, quoted the father as saying."

(01-19-2017 09:43 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:31 PM)Different T Wrote:  Yet another thread inextricably bound up with Leonard’s Libertarianism thread.

@ Comte De St. Germain

Did your “family members and former associates” agree with the concept of honor killings?

They didn't persay, but I know some of the heavily religious people on my father's side(essentially everyone but my grandfather whom sadly had to deal with his over religious wife brainwashing their kids). And the people that part of my family associated with besides him were more than likely of that mindset as well.

Look at the examples, honor killings are never about religion, they are about Patriarchy and punishing certain loose behaviours.

It is all related to 'ownership' of women and can be seen in sati, johar, and honor killings in the three main south asian religions, mostly in the rural conservative areas.

(01-19-2017 09:43 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  But I'll address your charge. It is a matter of game. Learn to control your woman. There was no law on the books executing women for being unfaithful in the past century(or should I say a bit more than that). Sure public taboo and shaming, but no more than that.

Men knew how to keep their women in line without having to beat them or use the law. It was respect that was earned. If you're incapable of that without involving the law then that means you are a gameless loser who is more than likely an aspie with no social skills. Meaning you shouldn't be breeding as it is.

That's my two cents. If you find game meaningless then this forum might not be for you.

"Respect that was earned". Mate, women have no concept of respect like men do. They only follow their hamster. Out of sight is out of mind.

What did Odysseus find when he returned to Greece from Troy?

What about the American soldiers returning from Afghanistan with debilitating injuries who find their wives cheating on them, leaving them and taking their money too.

Where is their respect? Or maybe they just didnt have 'Game'?

You think an intelligent, nerdy, honest and hardworking man shouldn't breed, whereas a good-for-nothing drug dealing player should?

You need to understand that the tribe that promotes the former over the latter will always outcompete the tribe that lets women choose the latter. This is Patriarchy and is the reason why Patriarchy is such a dominant system around the globe. As I mentioned Patriarchy cannot be maintained if it's laws are not enforced, one way or another.

Post: #53

Quote:What did Odysseus find when he returned to Greece from Troy?

That his wife had kept loyal and deviously turned down all her pretenders.

(We should clarify that "Greece" wasnt "Greece" at the time and that Odysseus's nation was "Ithaca")

Quote:You think an intelligent, nerdy, honest and hardworking man shouldn't breed, whereas a good-for-nothing drug dealing player should?

You know, a player can be a player with none of the adjectives you've used.

Furthermore, this statement appears to imply that "an intelligent, nerdy, honest and hardworking man" is apparently not able to control a woman - short of ganging up with the rest of the family and friends and killing her in a gruesome way *if* he discovers her.

Post: #54

(01-20-2017 04:11 PM)kavi Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:31 PM)Different T Wrote:  Yet another thread inextricably bound up with Leonard’s Libertarianism thread.
@ Kavi

Did most of your acquaintances agree with the concept of honor killings? Did the State in those places sanction them or do nothing, was there even a State in such places?

From the information I’ve seen, these crimes are treated as homicides by the State in Islamic countries (not to mention Western countries), though some seem to label them specifically as “honor killings” when it comes to sentencing, etc. If this is so strange, have you ever heard of “crimes of passion” in the West?

Look, this is straight up, talking about Pakistan. 90% of people who matter agree with honor killings, people who disagree are likely to be on the margins of society, westernised liberal women, blue pill men, gays etc.

The state has laws againsts honor kilings only due to pressure from the west, this I guarantee you. I am certain none of the politicians in that country are against honor killings, libertarianism is a massive part of the culture over there, and the state tries not to interfere in peoples personal lives.

A law was only recently overturned where the family of a murder victim (male or female) could pardon the murderer (usually in lieu of blood money or whatever).

There was a case where a woman left her husband and ran off with another man. Her family claimed the man abducted her and there was some court case. When she arrived to court, her family beat her to death (she was also 6 months pregnant), numerous onlookers and watched and did nothing, more importantly even the police watched and did nothing.

The police did nothing because deep down they feel it is not their business interfering in the family issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m...d-to-death

Quote:"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," Mujahid, the police investigator, quoted the father as saying."

(01-19-2017 09:43 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:31 PM)Different T Wrote:  Yet another thread inextricably bound up with Leonard’s Libertarianism thread.

@ Comte De St. Germain

Did your “family members and former associates” agree with the concept of honor killings?

They didn't persay, but I know some of the heavily religious people on my father's side(essentially everyone but my grandfather whom sadly had to deal with his over religious wife brainwashing their kids). And the people that part of my family associated with besides him were more than likely of that mindset as well.

Look at the examples, honor killings are never about religion, they are about Patriarchy and punishing certain loose behaviours.

It is all related to 'ownership' of women and can be seen in sati, johar, and honor killings in the three main south asian religions, mostly in the rural conservative areas.

No shit Sherlock. That's exactly the point I was getting across in my break down of Rob's post. My point in that comment was the religion becomes a useful scapegoat for that mentality.

Quote:

(01-19-2017 09:43 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  But I'll address your charge. It is a matter of game. Learn to control your woman. There was no law on the books executing women for being unfaithful in the past century(or should I say a bit more than that). Sure public taboo and shaming, but no more than that.

Men knew how to keep their women in line without having to beat them or use the law. It was respect that was earned. If you're incapable of that without involving the law then that means you are a gameless loser who is more than likely an aspie with no social skills. Meaning you shouldn't be breeding as it is.

That's my two cents. If you find game meaningless then this forum might not be for you.

"Respect that was earned". Mate, women have no concept of respect like men do. They only follow their hamster. Out of sight is out of mind.

What did Odysseus find when he returned to Greece from Troy?

What about the American soldiers returning from Afghanistan with debilitating injuries who find their wives cheating on them, leaving them and taking their money too.

Where is their respect? Or maybe they just didnt have 'Game'?

You think an intelligent, nerdy, honest and hardworking man shouldn't breed, whereas a good-for-nothing drug dealing player should?

You need to understand that the tribe that promotes the former over the latter will always outcompete the tribe that lets women choose the latter. This is Patriarchy and is the reason why Patriarchy is such a dominant system around the globe. As I mentioned Patriarchy cannot be maintained if it's laws are not enforced, one way or another.

Women have no sense of respect????

If anything that's the only thing they truly comprehend. Female group dynamics is consensus based for this reason. They respect the hierarchy and authority. Hence why men have to instill it. And Odysseus when he returned home from Troy saw his still faithful wife pushing away suitors at every turn that took over his home against her will. Odysseus inspired that kind of respect in his wife.

And from an unrelated thread, but WIA posted some gold as to why it's respect. Not respect in the common sense of the word, but fatherly respect. Guidance, teaching, and patience. Which will in turn make you better at earning respect and leading.

(01-18-2017 10:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Be mindful of guys you take information from. Lot of the reasoning there is defeatist and will hurt your results.

Basically every chick you've ever been with can "unlock", but you've got to figure out her key, then show her the way. A lot of that behavior is her mirroring you. You have to be dominant and lead, but not in the slapping, choking, no lube anal shit that people think of as dominant.

When you are using her body in an assertive manner, but not an abusive manner, you can start to give direction.

Having a chick try to blow you but her gag reflex gets in the way? That is more pleasurable than a chick who can deep throat at will. One girl is desperately trying to please you, the other might be just showing off.

And here's a tip that is universal, people like being given direction from people that they respect. And it can sometimes work two ways, where by you giving orders, she respects you, and backwards rationalizes her desire and respect.

So you've got ol girl back at the crib, just like the front end of the pull where you have her looking for your validation, do the same thing in the bedroom. Pull back on pleasuring her, put her under your control, and then get compliance.

Tell her to undress slowly
Put the heels back on
If she's at her crib, make her put on some jewelry

All that stuff she does to make herself appear and feel sexy, have her do it for you. So even when you're not with her, she thinks about that when she's getting ready. You want to use the power of association as much as possible. Half of it fails, half of it works. Which half you'll never know.

Just like them boys want you to six pack diet yourself into pussy, I'm saying you always need to get into her head.

At my favorite spot of all time, I was on the dance floor with this chick. It was crowded enough to grab a kiss, so she kissed me.

"Now kiss me like you actually love me"

2nd kiss was way more passionate

Next, I said something about kissing me like she was going to fuck me and forget me.

3rd kiss unlocked this chick. Bang was porn style.

All the while, I'm telling this chick, "you know I'm not right for you, but tonight.."

People are suggestible when you've laid the ground work. Lot of these guys on game boards are unaware that you can even think like this.

But chicks revert to the mean. And you're not the only one who can make suggestions. Which is why it's important to take a girl to lots of places emotionally. Her drugs are her emotions, literally the chemicals in her brain, much less the conscious thoughts. Give her that first high, and she chases it. She'll do anything for it, be who you want her to be...for a time

WIA

Game is guiding the woman. If you can't guide your woman to improve your station in life and get her to please you then yes in my opinion you've failed your imperative because you're not improving your own life or hers.

Now if you're talking honor........

Women don't have it. "All is fair in love and war." And for women every day is full of love and war. I believe a poster on the forum put it it as "make up is a female arms race".

And if the hardworking nerdy guy doesn't have enough brains to survive in the real world where he would get ate up...sucks to sucks. Well good luck. If I remember correctly quite a few famous scientists died virgins. Including Sir Issac Newton.

Quote:Personal relations
Although it was claimed that he was once engaged,[95] Newton never married. The French writer and philosopher Voltaire, who was in London at the time of Newton's funeral, said that he "was never sensible to any passion, was not subject to the common frailties of mankind, nor had any commerce with women—a circumstance which was assured me by the physician and surgeon who attended him in his last moments".[96] The widespread belief that he died a virgin has been commented on by writers such as mathematician Charles Hutton,[97] economist John Maynard Keynes,[98] and physicist Carl Sagan.[99]
Newton did have a close friendship with the Swiss mathematician Nicolas Fatio de Duillier, whom he met in London around 1690.[100] Their intense relationship came to an abrupt and unexplained end in 1693, and at the same time Newton suffered a nervous breakdown.[101] Some of their correspondence has survived.[102][103]
In September of that year, Newton had a breakdown which included sending wild accusatory letters to his friends Samuel Pepys and John Locke. His note to the latter included the charge that Locke "endeavoured to embroil me with woemen".[104]

For all his intelligence he was a human social failure. A shame but life isn't fair. I don't plan to hand out welfare to undeserving leeches who think they're entitled to pussy.

Work for it like the rest of us.

Post: #55

I actually meant to say Agamemnon not Odysseus.

Consensus and respect are not the same thing. I am talking about real respect that only men can feel for other men.

Women do not respect men because they do not understand real masculinity. I have first hand experience of this. I have known a lot of manly men, alpha men, men I respect who have respected me in return for my 'respectable' qualities. I can feel that this is a type of manly respect and it is something I could never feel coming from a woman. They simply don't understand. It is like a novice chess player trying to understand the plays of a grandmaster, it may even look stupid to them.

When you reach a certain level of manliness and character, you leave women so far behind that the mere idea of being judged by a woman in terms of manliness is absurd.

I think I just have a very low opinion of women, I would say I am self-professed misogynist. I have seen too many 'smart' women make poor choices in partner selection and other things, I have seen too many women make mistakes when given free choices. I think patriarchal systems are more efficient and I just think I have better things to do then constantly maintain Alpha-level game, just stupid enough that the woman gets it. I have a low opinion of men that put too much importance on the opinions of women.

Post: #56

Would you happen to refer to yourself as a Dark Triad Alpha as well?

Post: #57

(01-20-2017 08:16 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Would you happen to refer to yourself as a Dark Triad Alpha as well?

That is an insult to him. He is THE Dark Triad Alpha. Girls get wet and can't wait to fuck his psychopathy. Didn't you know Hannibal Lector pulled the most bitches.

Post: #58

(01-20-2017 08:16 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Would you happen to refer to yourself as a Dark Triad Alpha as well?

As well as what? What else did I refer to myself as?

Psychopathy, narcissism and machiavallism constitute dark triad personality right? So you do see me demonstrating these traits in my post?

Did I imply I was an Alpha? I said I had Alpha friends who respected me in ways women never could.

Your post makes no sense, try harder next time.

Post: #59

I think everyone deservedly piled in on OP.

His assumptions and ideas are moronic.

It is not difficult to "control" women if your tools of control are:

+ sanctioned beatings from childhood
+ stoning
+ honor killings
+ genital mutilation (a "moderate" country like Egypt has over 90% of women genitally mutilated - zero fun while having sex)
+ burning daughters with petrol
+ acid disfiguration of daughters and female relatives
+ stoning and killing of rape victims


Here some choice examples:




Father shoots his daughters in a cab. One calls 911 and wails how she is dying. They had a secular lifestyle and Western boyfriends - one had even a black boyfriend which was probably an even worse insult, because blacks are slaves to them still to this day.




Young girl being run over by her own father. Mother being happy about it.

Also your statements that we should just let them be - yeah theoretically we can let them be. However the West already intervened and forced them to stop slavery, first they stopped their slave trade which impacted ourselves as the Muslim nations captured American and European soldiers and travelers right up until the 20th century, then it facilitated slave trade of women from Europe. In a way it probably still does.

If the Muslim countries had it's way then slavery would come roaring back. They only have their semi-slaves in the gulf countries because the West is watching them. But in reality they still have slaves - countless Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and other brown folk get their passport taken away in so-called paradises of Dubai etc and have to live like slaves there. Only too late find the women out what kind of hell they walked into. You can even meet some girls in the shops of the Dubai shopping centres, where they tell you their life stories.

If this is your admirable "control" of women, then great. And it does not even really control them since plenty of deeds happen, since our instincts and desires for love and freedom are greater than all the Satanic punishments Islam can devise.

As to whether we should intervene?
Nah - we should intervene, but differently than what has been done. We should financially support secular liberal Muslim leaders with massive cash and help.

Who knows - in the future when mankind is ready to go to the stars and we don't want a Muslim tribe to settle another planet and create another shithole out of it, then mankind should wisely wipe out the religion, conquer them all and destroy this shitstain of a religion once and for all. The future generations of Ex-Muslims would be thanking us.

Personally I think that we should intervene now already. That crap has been going too long already and it will never stop. But I am not for this idiotic Bush-way of bombing secular leaders like Saddam (he was a brutal dictator, but he was secular), Gaddafi, Assad and then at the same time claiming that Islam is a Religion of Peace.

No - the religion has to go, the people and their infrastructure stay. Also the globalists have countless ways of influencing this to happen all without much of a too bloody war.

As for women and Islam - a perfect way to control them.

Are you out of your fucking mind?????????????????

As a comparison - the conservative Christian way:

+ society and family shows you that it is better to be virtuous
+ patriarchy still remains and parents help you choosing husband
+ most women follow this path of being socially acceptable - they may sneak around on their parents and disobey them slightly, but most stick with it
+ the minority of women will still want to be sluts, prostitutes or mistresses to wealthy men, or they fall in love with an undeserving Player or other man
+ still - most of society at best shunned them, the family stopped talking to them and that was their punishment! Christian fathers did not burn their faces with acid, slaughtered the daughters in front of their family - heck one Muslim recently shot his daughter in front of his family in the living room!

So the net of control of Western society was valid and there was a seperation between the reputable woman and the unreputable woman. Most women wanted to be reputable (despite their desire to be bad). And frankly some women cannot be controlled unless you kill them. Some women want to fuck around and frankly let them. Let us enjoy the slutty ones, who cares? Otherwise you are left in a Saudi society where the rich import Western sluts, marry for 2 hours local Arab women (legal form of prostitutaion in the Gulf), but the poorer men have an easier time finding men to fuck as fucking a man does not make you gay in Islam.

The Islamic way of female control is the most idiotic, barbaric, backwards, evil, Satanic system devised. I would rather have my girl make wrong choices and become a SJW slut and escort, than to burn her face with acid or shoot her in the head.

And trust me - if there is a God, then the Muslim shitheads are the ones who will get punished for it and not the fathers who "let their daughters become less respectable". You make what you can to raise your daughter, but if she makes wrong decisions you tell her so, you should not be able to maim her because she disobays your Arab moon god. That crap will not fly.

Post: #60

Also your so called libertarian right of letting them kill their daughters to prevent them from being sluts. You compare it to Duerte to killing drug dealers!

Really? Drug dealers and junkies getting killed is daughters getting killed for falling in love with a man their parents do not approve of?

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Also - what is enough?
When they make pyramids out of the skulls of slaughtered Middle Eastern Christians?
When they kill every Western tourist and send back the heads, is that worthy of intervention?
When they murder 20% of their daughters and create big smoking piles of bodies, is that enough?

When would you intervene? Never I guess - so long as they don't move away from their countries. But buddy - they already moved and they live in the West and they bring their enriching practices to us. There were cases of courts letting them go because it is their cultural practice.

We can disagree on intervention but the way you worded your statements point to the fact that you are agreeing with them on honor killings and other disciplinary measures since being a slut is more terrible to you than being an acid-burned stoned or genitally mutilated and beaten woman.

You would deserve to be born a woman in your next life and experience all those enriching disciplinary pleasures for yourself.

Post: #61

The number one deal breaker with Islam on an even more fundamental level before getting to all the nastiness is the pure destruction of female beauty and the stifling of femininity.

God created man beautifully and you're telling me you want to completely cover it up? FUCK YOU!

There's a fine line between modesty and what Islam calls for.