Lol, it's turning into an informative thread.

Be mindful of guys you take information from. Lot of the reasoning there is defeatist and will hurt your results.

Basically every chick you've ever been with can "unlock", but you've got to figure out her key, then show her the way. A lot of that behavior is her mirroring you. You have to be dominant and lead, but not in the slapping, choking, no lube anal shit that people think of as dominant.

When you are using her body in an assertive manner, but not an abusive manner, you can start to give direction.

Having a chick try to blow you but her gag reflex gets in the way? That is more pleasurable than a chick who can deep throat at will. One girl is desperately trying to please you, the other might be just showing off.

And here's a tip that is universal, people like being given direction from people that they respect. And it can sometimes work two ways, where by you giving orders, she respects you, and backwards rationalizes her desire and respect.

So you've got ol girl back at the crib, just like the front end of the pull where you have her looking for your validation, do the same thing in the bedroom. Pull back on pleasuring her, put her under your control, and then get compliance.

Tell her to undress slowly
Put the heels back on
If she's at her crib, make her put on some jewelry

All that stuff she does to make herself appear and feel sexy, have her do it for you. So even when you're not with her, she thinks about that when she's getting ready. You want to use the power of association as much as possible. Half of it fails, half of it works. Which half you'll never know.

Just like them boys want you to six pack diet yourself into pussy, I'm saying you always need to get into her head.

At my favorite spot of all time, I was on the dance floor with this chick. It was crowded enough to grab a kiss, so she kissed me.

"Now kiss me like you actually love me"

2nd kiss was way more passionate

Next, I said something about kissing me like she was going to fuck me and forget me.

3rd kiss unlocked this chick. Bang was porn style.

All the while, I'm telling this chick, "you know I'm not right for you, but tonight.."

People are suggestible when you've laid the ground work. Lot of these guys on game boards are unaware that you can even think like this.

But chicks revert to the mean. And you're not the only one who can make suggestions. Which is why it's important to take a girl to lots of places emotionally. Her drugs are her emotions, literally the chemicals in her brain, much less the conscious thoughts. Give her that first high, and she chases it. She'll do anything for it, be who you want her to be...for a time

WIA

(01-15-2017 05:55 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(01-15-2017 04:34 PM)Iso Wrote:  Went out to a Black club in D.C. last night. I've never seen a higher concentration of 6+ feet guys, 200+ lbs, jacked, low body fat, etc. in my life. If WIA is pulling in that environment as an average sized man, he is doing amazing. It's difficult to stand out there with so many big guys and real pro athletes.

What's the strategy in that environment when you aren't a physical beast or a baller? My best guess is to be aggressive but not like the other men. Less direct game since all the men there are doing that. Dance floor skills help.

Think we've talked about this earlier in the thread, but it's about showing your own kind of value and working the club. If you have that many above average dudes in a room why not make friends?

They didn't get that way on their own and odds are they're pretty cool dudes. I'd also be liable to believe that their girls hit the gym with them and are pretty damned hot. Social Circle is king.

I like your idea of being social to gain their favor.

The one thing I like about black clubs is that Black women typically come out in small groups. Its rare to see Black women in groups bigger than 3. Occasionally you will see a solo Black Women (I've never seen a solo white girl out at night). Also, Black women groups aren't typically mixed with men. With white women, they are always in huge groups. Often times mixed groups with men. Black women are more individualistic which allows them to go out without a huge entourage. That makes gaming Black women easier because there are less cockblocks and obstacles.

(01-18-2017 11:09 AM)Iso Wrote:  

(01-15-2017 05:55 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(01-15-2017 04:34 PM)Iso Wrote:  Went out to a Black club in D.C. last night. I've never seen a higher concentration of 6+ feet guys, 200+ lbs, jacked, low body fat, etc. in my life. If WIA is pulling in that environment as an average sized man, he is doing amazing. It's difficult to stand out there with so many big guys and real pro athletes.

What's the strategy in that environment when you aren't a physical beast or a baller? My best guess is to be aggressive but not like the other men. Less direct game since all the men there are doing that. Dance floor skills help.

Think we've talked about this earlier in the thread, but it's about showing your own kind of value and working the club. If you have that many above average dudes in a room why not make friends?

They didn't get that way on their own and odds are they're pretty cool dudes. I'd also be liable to believe that their girls hit the gym with them and are pretty damned hot. Social Circle is king.

I like your idea of being social to gain their favor.

The one thing I like about black clubs is that Black women typically come out in small groups. Its rare to see Black women in groups bigger than 3. Occasionally you will see a solo Black Women (I've never seen a solo white girl out at night). Also, Black women groups aren't typically mixed with men. With white women, they are always in huge groups. Often times mixed groups with men. Black women are more individualistic which allows them to go out without a huge entourage. That makes gaming Black women easier because there are less cockblocks and obstacles.

I personally don't know how that dynamic works. I'm not black(mainly here for the game gold that gets dropped), but I would try it simply on the basis that it hasn't been done. Though one of the few times I was at a black club with my own mixed male/female group these dudes worked like a pack to separate us from our chicks on the dance floor. So I don't know about the whole entourage business. We were all just dancing together. Even had one of the girls grinding on me and slowly very slowly they separated us. Shit was like voodoo and more out of nowhere than what even Turkish dudes pull(packs of Turkish dudes do some crazy group dynamics stuff).

Good luck though. Gaming regularly is a struggle and it can hurt morale a bit. And on the real groups of girls are the worst. Mixed groups are easier to join in on than that kind of pack of harpies. Worst turnover rate ever.

(01-18-2017 10:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Be mindful of guys you take information from. Lot of the reasoning there is defeatist and will hurt your results.

Basically every chick you've ever been with can "unlock", but you've got to figure out her key, then show her the way. A lot of that behavior is her mirroring you. You have to be dominant and lead, but not in the slapping, choking, no lube anal shit that people think of as dominant.

When you are using her body in an assertive manner, but not an abusive manner, you can start to give direction.

Having a chick try to blow you but her gag reflex gets in the way? That is more pleasurable than a chick who can deep throat at will. One girl is desperately trying to please you, the other might be just showing off.

And here's a tip that is universal, people like being given direction from people that they respect. And it can sometimes work two ways, where by you giving orders, she respects you, and backwards rationalizes her desire and respect.

So you've got ol girl back at the crib, just like the front end of the pull where you have her looking for your validation, do the same thing in the bedroom. Pull back on pleasuring her, put her under your control, and then get compliance.

Tell her to undress slowly
Put the heels back on
If she's at her crib, make her put on some jewelry

All that stuff she does to make herself appear and feel sexy, have her do it for you. So even when you're not with her, she thinks about that when she's getting ready. You want to use the power of association as much as possible. Half of it fails, half of it works. Which half you'll never know.

Just like them boys want you to six pack diet yourself into pussy, I'm saying you always need to get into her head.

At my favorite spot of all time, I was on the dance floor with this chick. It was crowded enough to grab a kiss, so she kissed me.

"Now kiss me like you actually love me"

2nd kiss was way more passionate

Next, I said something about kissing me like she was going to fuck me and forget me.

3rd kiss unlocked this chick. Bang was porn style.

All the while, I'm telling this chick, "you know I'm not right for you, but tonight.."

People are suggestible when you've laid the ground work. Lot of these guys on game boards are unaware that you can even think like this.

But chicks revert to the mean. And you're not the only one who can make suggestions. Which is why it's important to take a girl to lots of places emotionally. Her drugs are her emotions, literally the chemicals in her brain, much less the conscious thoughts. Give her that first high, and she chases it. She'll do anything for it, be who you want her to be...for a time

WIA

And now in retrospect, every bout of passionate sex I've had with a girl makes sense.

I'm starting to think this thread is all I need from this forum.

(01-15-2017 04:34 PM)Iso Wrote:  Went out to a Black club in D.C. last night. I've never seen a higher concentration of 6+ feet guys, 200+ lbs, jacked, low body fat, etc. in my life. If WIA is pulling in that environment as an average sized man, he is doing amazing. It's difficult to stand out there with so many big guys and real pro athletes.

What's the strategy in that environment when you aren't a physical beast or a baller? My best guess is to be aggressive but not like the other men. Less direct game since all the men there are doing that. Dance floor skills help.

Your best strategy in that environment is to remember that none of those dudes are YOU!


None of them have your personality
None of them have your swag
None of them have your slick tongue
None of them have your dyck game
None of them have your dress game

The list goes on an on. I don't even look at other dudes unless he got a fly fit on that I'm making a mental note of.

And even if you don't believe those things, you just have to have the drive to dig in until something bites, like an underdog. You need a strong mentality in this game. Game has never come that easy to me even though I've been doing this for a long time (I'm decent but that higher level consistently is still elusive), but I'm the type that will go all out and still be out in the moody after hours venues at 2pm the next day if I haven't got results.

Not to get all rah rah about the game (i have that tendency, but I don't apologize for it), but most of the time those dudes just stand around.

I don't club nearly as much as I used to, but most people aren't very outgoing. This is despite the fact most people like to think of themselves as outgoing extroverts.

Who's the most nerdy?

The off duty basketball and football teams.

There is usually one leader that sets the tone of the group, but most of them play the background.

They just stand there and look "cool". The gangsters are the same way. Every guy that has all of these tools to kill, just take up space. They all want to effortlessly attract a woman, so they use female strategies to attract, mainly working on their appearance. Instead of working on their behavior. Instead of trying to understand psychology of people, of women, of themselves - it's more creatine, more sets, more money.

Going to black clubs, hip hop clubs, where you see these "ultimate specimens of manliness" will show you how much of that stuff is a joke. On average, the dudes are bigger, taller, and more numerous at a black club over every other venue you can think of. Unless you go to Samoan jams, word to the Rock.

80% of the dance club is not dancing. They're all watching each other like it was a middle school sock hop.

And still the chicks judge you for stepping to em. Lol, the irony of it all

At least Mr. Cool isn't getting judged.

So he meets a chick through school, friends, work, family... The chicks too.

That's the norm

The fact that environments actually exist where strangers could potentially meet and become friends is some sort of glitch in the matrix. It's dying and won't exist much longer if trends occur.

Every chick should be getting fucked, but that's never how it plays out. Bitches with sky high standards and the vast majority of the dudes not hollering.

It's never 500 people, it's 100-150 groups that only interact with each other and the club staff. Most of whom are hoping something might happen, something new.

At the edges, a few people talk to strangers, and not much chat.

Guys that go out and truly observe know what I'm talking about. I could be at a spot for two hours, make eye contact withn all of the groups of people around me and never say a word. And they'll see me and never talk.

Everyone is scared, especially the biggest scariest dudes and the hottest chicks.

In the West...that is

The thing I've noticed most about going to other places - outside of being forced to interacting with strangers - other cultures can be much warmer to each other. They don't just sit at their respective tables and *never* interact with others.

Try to be anti-social in the Caribbean.
See how far you get. Now being alone in a crowd might be typical in Oslo, or among the upper crust everywhere, but it's not normal.

Not that everyone has your best interest at heart, but the Western idea of an icebreaker seems very western when you're in a lesser developed country. No ice needs to be broken.

Even in "cold" countries, folks want to connect.
That's the real power of social media.

Music, darkness, alcohol, sport, shared experiences - that's point of all of that. Man is a social animal. There are all sorts of studies that show we live better and longer with others. When granny dies,, grandpa ain't gonna last long. When people retire from jobs, from social connection, from meaning, death comes.

When a guy comes at the game with a social scientist pov, and he sees yearning among the dysfunction - the club transforms before his eyes.

Going out should be the most fun you ever have on regular basis, but it rarely is. Fear, ego, expectations, mindset.. All that stops the would be player. The veteran sees that in himself, but also in others.

You want choice, to be actually be the buyer,

Be the guy that's the center of the party, the guy that gives other people the permission to cut loose.

That's top of the temporary social ladder.

That's why I usually don't even notice the "scary" competition. Those dudes play the back, they sit at their tables, they're trapped in VIP.

In practice, I'll usually see some Africans or Caribbeans on the dance floor.
1) jump in so you can learn
2) grab a female that wants to learn
3) the guy who can dance gets to teach, the girl who wants to dance gets to shake her shit
4) everyone else sees you spark it, and they get into it, and get into you.

Everyone wants to get picked by the magician

That's how you basically run clubs when folks can't hear what you say. They're all watching and waiting for something to pop off. That's how you handle "competition"

Use the psychology of the situation.

Most of the time you know what the psychology of others is internally because you feel it too.

WIA

^^

WIA's post right there is exactly the reason I don't subscribe to Dimebait's response at all. None of those people are me is the exact mentality that prevents you from making new friends period. You're stuck in that mentality that I'm better than all these chumps. That there is no competition. That these people are just background noise.

Lo and behold one of these days that background noise is going to steal your chick from you because you weren't watching. You have to always be watching around you for opportunity. That's the whole point of going lone wolf.

Game for me is going out and never being alone and never being bored. All going out to soak up your own ego does is turn it into work because you're pulling the same routine over and over.

It's not dynamic and you will plateau. Granted this is all me speaking about people I know and the people I see as my hobby is people. You could be different for all I know.

WIA great post buddy. One thing I notice in the last post is that you work smart not hard. A lot of people work "hard" by going to the gym, attempting to make more money, buying a lot of trendy clothes just to be able to get girls when in all actuality all they have to do is work smart. Be more sociable, analyze the situation and be the life of the party.

It's externally easier and more effective, but not internally easier.

When I purchase a suit, there's no rejection.
For guys that lift, you're not going to hurt your ego going for a new one rep personal max. I know I have a shit ton of bravado with iron and feel the pain for weeks.

But stepping up to strangers, they might ignore me or have a bad reaction - and my fear of that - it's much worse than being alone.

My ego is the only thing I really have, and it must be protected at all costs! That's the mentality

But little by little, by pushing one's self, getting reference experiences, the fear dissipates. Even when your ego is bruised, the actual pain is way less than the imagined pain.

Psychology again, loss aversion >>> potential pleasure.

Not just me,, everyone.

As I write the book, I keep coming back to these themes. Talking about only the practical side of the game means guys can absorb that and ignore the less tangible parts.

But even as a dude learns, he can't make sense of the internal struggles without doing the actual work of connecting.

You need one to make sense of the others
- the techniques
- the mindset
- the action

So on a lot of levels, the game I talk up is easy, but it still ends up being harder than self improvement

Can't even call it
WIA

I've been getting into asking for IG/FB, in addition to the digits. It's been helping for screening - one chick I met tonight who was interesting, but could see from FB they have a bf.

Just cause there's a goalie doesn't mean one can't score.

(01-19-2017 04:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Not to get all rah rah about the game (i have that tendency, but I don't apologize for it), but most of the time those dudes just stand around.

I don't club nearly as much as I used to, but most people aren't very outgoing. This is despite the fact most people like to think of themselves as outgoing extroverts.

Who's the most nerdy?

The off duty basketball and football teams.

There is usually one leader that sets the tone of the group, but most of them play the background.

They just stand there and look "cool". The gangsters are the same way. Every guy that has all of these tools to kill, just take up space. They all want to effortlessly attract a woman, so they use female strategies to attract, mainly working on their appearance. Instead of working on their behavior. Instead of trying to understand psychology of people, of women, of themselves - it's more creatine, more sets, more money.

True. It's the same in every group of guys. Basketball teams, fraternity parties...there's always one or two guys that really pull, and then all the other dudes sorta of just watch. They're spectators.

I would know because I am one. Played bball in high school, joined a fraternity in college, didn't pull. I had a gf at the time, but I didn't really have game.

Lowkey though a lot of "friends" will cockblock when you go out...that's the main reason I started going out by myself in college

WIA Wrote:Going to black clubs, hip hop clubs, where you see these "ultimate specimens of manliness" will show you how much of that stuff is a joke. On average, the dudes are bigger, taller, and more numerous at a black club over every other venue you can think of. Unless you go to Samoan jams, word to the Rock.

80% of the dance club is not dancing. They're all watching each other like it was a middle school sock hop.

And still the chicks judge you for stepping to em. Lol, the irony of it all

At least Mr. Cool isn't getting judged.

So true. How do you work around that? Even when you approach a group of girls and it "goes well", how do you turn it so that they are choosing you? Just the act of approaching and having all eyes on you...you're in the spotlight. You're the one making the effort to reach out to them.

The girls are waiting for you to say something. Anything. Two girls are sitting, both facing directly towards you, the third girl is standing to the side of them holding her drink.

You don't say anything clever. You just hope that they respond and open their mouths.

And if they do bite...how do you turn it into a situation where they're actively giving more of themselves into the conversation? That's the tough part. I don't really have a definitive answer.

I've done best when I started chatting with one of them, then bring in the other two. Going for the entire group at once works sometimes, too.

"You're the only standing! You must be looking for some cool guys for your friends, right?"

Usually gets a laugh out of the girls that's standing, and the two sitting down smile. Then it's game on from there...

WIA Wrote:Every chick should be getting fucked, but that's never how it plays out. Bitches with sky high standards and the vast majority of the dudes not hollering.

The thing is that this kind of behavior on the guys part makes it even feel weirder. Because now there's an audience...a group of girls will have like five dudes just standing there, and when you walk up, you're thinking "shit, all these people are watching." because they are.

watching like hawks man

I've had dudes shake their heads after seeing me get blown out, and i've also had dudes randomly insert themselves into conversations after it's been going for ten minutes. dudes be blockin these days, and that shit is annoying af.

And when homeboy opens his mouth and drives the girl away, you can't help but his ass

The answer is tighter game, but still...shit is demoralizing in the moment. What you say about the ego later on is real man

WIA Wrote:Guys that go out and truly observe know what I'm talking about. I could be at a spot for two hours, make eye contact withn all of the groups of people around me and never say a word. And they'll see me and never talk.

Everyone is scared, especially the biggest scariest dudes and the hottest chicks.

C'mon WIA, you know the hottest chicks aren't going to the same clubs as us. They're partying on yachts or art museums or some shit

WIA Wrote:When a guy comes at the game with a social scientist pov, and he sees yearning among the dysfunction - the club transforms before his eyes.

Yes.

WIA Wrote:In practice, I'll usually see some Africans or Caribbeans on the dance floor.
1) jump in so you can learn
2) grab a female that wants to learn
3) the guy who can dance gets to teach, the girl who wants to dance gets to shake her shit
4) everyone else sees you spark it, and they get into it, and get into you.

Everyone wants to get picked by the magician

This gets people to come to you on the dance floor. But the music is loud, and after a couple of songs, people still want to be entertained. How do you keep it up?

"Let's go cool off by the bar for a bit before round 2"

You can get people to come to you, that's easy. Smile, and do something other than a two step.

But how do you get them out of there afterwards? Dudes flock once they see dancing clown + four or five girls. happened to me so many times, but I didn't really know what to do.

I guess it depends on how they react, but man. I've tried the dance floor thing, and it just hasn't gotten me the results that I'd like. I'm saying that I've had 8s open me because of my moves, and I still didn't take them home.

Quote:Most of the time you know what the psychology of others is internally because you feel it too.

WIA

Truth.

Game is fun, but it's fun because it's frustrating. At least for me it is. That's why I'm glad I have y'all to talk with.

This place is my safe space. Thanks guys for keeping this thread going strong.

I decided to solo game a bar tonight, and met a chick who said I'd be a perfect match for her roomie. Was shown pics, am super interested.

Plan on going for the hangout TOMORROW to confirm seriousness. Will keep y'all posted. While I'm highly skeptical (mostly because it's too good to be true), if it works out this'll be an amazing validation of solo bar game.

And as another aside, the chick was out loud-hamster wheeling about how at 27, she thought she would have been married/have a kid, has huge baby fever.

I mean, I could be being trolled, but we'll see. It was a white lizard, who kept mentioning how her Spanish lizard rommie loves black guys.

(01-19-2017 04:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  but most people aren't very outgoing.

....

understand psychology of people, of women, of themselves

....

80% of the dance club is not dancing. They're all watching each other like it was a middle school sock hop.

....

Man is a social animal.

....

You want choice, to be actually be the buyer,

....

Be the guy that's the center of the party, the guy that gives other people the permission to cut loose.

That's top of the temporary social ladder.
....

Everyone wants to get picked by the magician

I feel like that is the core essence of my game right there. Maybe sprinkle in some over the top bold approaches like



Basketbounce:

Quote:how do you turn it so that they are choosing you?

nahhhhh Basketbounce. My friend is on that "get chose shit." I don't understand it at all. Probably the first time I legitimately felt like a creeper. All these sexy girls just waiting for someone to sweep them off their feet and I have to wait to be chose...nahhhhhh lol

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

WIA Wrote:Going to black clubs, hip hop clubs, where you see these "ultimate specimens of manliness" will show you how much of that stuff is a joke. On average, the dudes are bigger, taller, and more numerous at a black club over every other venue you can think of. Unless you go to Samoan jams, word to the Rock.

80% of the dance club is not dancing. They're all watching each other like it was a middle school sock hop.

And still the chicks judge you for stepping to em. Lol, the irony of it all

At least Mr. Cool isn't getting judged.

So true. How do you work around that? Even when you approach a group of girls and it "goes well", how do you turn it so that they are choosing you? Just the act of approaching and having all eyes on you...you're in the spotlight. You're the one making the effort to reach out to them.

This one of these mental hurdles guys new to the game come to all the time.

It's the same trap as "you're always paying - no matter what you do" and "Is game just a better way of seeking female approval" (aka is PUA the new AFC)

Fact - Just talking to somebody, a man/a woman/a child/an elder, isn't you "giving away" something. Anyone can reject your attempt to communicate without giving you a chance.

That's the state of play.

But when i'm on the dance floor doing the same ol two step, having a good ass time, sparking other people to do it - the chicks still might not view me as the "decider".

And that's fine.

I think a lot of guys think that a chick suddenly makes this conscious mental shift from buyer to seller when she meets some guy. "Oh, I've got to impress this guy, i'm gonna be on my best behavior" -

That rarely happens.

Even when girls approach guys (it happens), she only sees it as giving HIM an opportunity to sell HER. Like a business putting out an RFP (request for proposals)

So in a visual and literal sense - she is the seller when she approaches - but by her behavior and in her mind - she's still the buyer.

In our minds, if a chick approaches us, we like to assume that it's on right now. Like if a girl says "Excuse me, you're blocking the way to the fire exit and there's a mad man with a gun" - CLEARLY she's trying to come on to us, and as soon as we exit the bloodbath, we can commence a sexual relationship behind the SWAT van.

So being the buyer - isn't really looking for this immediate behavioral change as well as her making the mental shift.

Being the buyer, switching roles, is about you thinking about the situation differently.

She might be the perfect 5'3", double d, brown skin, long hair, heels, sexy accent for me - visually. But having dated carbon copies of that for years - I know that despite the visual perfection for me - that's not enough.

So i'll walk over, get her attention, start a conversation, start to flirt, build a small bit of rapport. If she starts to flirt back, I don't go into Mack Daddy Mode, "it's in the bag".

I push her away. I find fault. I see problems. This wouldn't work out.

In her mind, she's still the buyer. Lemme see what this off brand Ziggy Marley is about.

But by verbally and playfully pushing her away - she's like - hold the fuck up - who does he think I am - that he can speak to me this way - ..."I'll have you know that I have 6 degrees"

^That right there is her trying to validate herself to me. She might still be thinking that she's a buyer, but now we've changed games.

"I can not let this guy be wrong about me, I have to set the record straight"

^There's nothing sexual or romantic about this at all, when you really think about it.

But the act of her trying to prove herself is the driving force behind GAME. It's called "attraction" - but her seeking your validation, her wanting to you to say that she's right - that's the beginning.

In the mind, you only try to prove yourself to people that you respect, that are better than you, that you want to curry favor with -

That's not love.
That's not sexual attraction.

But she'll fuck you when you put her on this path. She'll mistake it for "love"
Maybe this is what love is, she finally has someone that she respects that she can prove herself to?

That's a question for the poets and philosophers.

So basically, on the dance floor, at the bar, - you're approaching, you're making nice, but you're pushing her away. She's trying to suck up to you - because her ego can not handle the fact that you aren't licking the bottom of her shoes, that you aren't automatically put in your place by her just "being". So she's trying to suck up to you, trying to one up you - and because her energy and attention is focused on you, because she's being predictable - you slowly dole out a bit of "give", and the take it back.

It's like a swing. The more you push her, the higher she goes, and the more she comes back. Pushing her is the fun part.

But understanding that a lot of her wanting to have sex - is really about her ego - is a big key to the game. Indeed, wanting to have a 10 on your arm who just happens to be a dead fish in bed - is a lot about your social validation from others, your ego, than anything else. Fucking tons of chicks, can either be sex addiction, or trying to prove your "sexual market value" to yourself. It will stop being about the chick, but about your expressing your power over this area. You finally have it on lock. You can get a fine bitch whenever you want.

No one ever reaches this point. Not Hugh Hefner, not Dan Blizerian, not Prince Yashua.

Today's 10 becomes tomorrow's 7. Again that has to do with reward centers in your brain, and needing more and more to get the same high. That has nothing to do with the game.

Back to the practical aspect

So in a loud dance club environment - it's non-verbally dancing with her, but correcting her, or getting her to follow you, and pulling away when she can't do it right.

This is like a killer app for black guys and non-black women. Even Latinas can't always dance well to non-Latin women.

What a lot of guys do, is dance with a chick face to face for 4 bars, and then turn her around to grind for the rest of the night. It's a mistake. Because you need to communicate with the eyes, and show your disapproval. You need to keep switching shit up, and having her follow you. But at the same time, she has to get internal joy from the dancing, and social validation from having others watch her dance well. This shit is all about her ego.

And then you pull it away.

And she has to get it back.

You push her away, but she won't be denied.

She doesn't even think you're cute - but all the dance club factors are pushing her to PROVE something to you, to them.

And that pattern of behavior - of her trying to prove herself to you - you having the power to push her away - that's the buyer's mentality.

In a conversation - it's the same way. You interacting, saying funny shit, her wanting to get in on the action, and either you cutting her off, not letting her, or not being impressed. You let her try to win you over.

In the transition from just a one night stand to your main bitch - you're using her ego to your advantage - she has to win you over, she has to work hard -

"Oh a threesome with your sister, man I dunno, I think 30 for 30 is on...can you call your cousin in or something?"

Now to be honest with you
- I don't know if this is "healthy"
- I don't know if this is healthy for you.
- I don't know if this is healthy for her.

What I do know is understanding her behavior is what keeps her engaged.

What I do know is that people love to be engaged. People love to be doing something and not thinking about other problems they may be having.

And I know that internet companies and businesses make billions of dollars off of these behaviors. It's why you have "endless scroll" and pop-up notifications...and why smartphones are a much bigger problem than people let on.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  The girls are waiting for you to say something. Anything. Two girls are sitting, both facing directly towards you, the third girl is standing to the side of them holding her drink.

You don't say anything clever. You just hope that they respond and open their mouths.

And if they do bite...how do you turn it into a situation where they're actively giving more of themselves into the conversation? That's the tough part. I don't really have a definitive answer.

You don't need to be clever, you do need to start something.

This is right off the top of my head.

"Do you like to gamble?....If you can guess what I'm drinking, i'll buy you a drink...but if you all get it wrong...."
*then have them take a small sip to confirm or deny*

Just like the "what do I do for a living" game, I illustrated on the newbie board - you can have them analyze you visually, and socially, to figure out what an indubitable brother like yourself would be sipping on.

And you can use that to size them up. "Oh you look like you work out...but you can't say no to sugar...so that's *insert fruity drink*"

^
- issue a challenge
- something that plays off ego and vanity - I HAVE TO BE RIGHT, FUCK THIS GUY, I'M THE BEST
- set up something where you're getting something out of it.

There's a million things to say and do. None need to be particularly clever or insightful - but with a group - you need to engage them all.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I've done best when I started chatting with one of them, then bring in the other two. Going for the entire group at once works sometimes, too.

"You're the only standing! You must be looking for some cool guys for your friends, right?"

Usually gets a laugh out of the girls that's standing, and the two sitting down smile. Then it's game on from there...

Yeah, you get the basic idea. You just need to refine the "why" these things work. And hammer that. It's not hard to be the most interesting thing happening in someone's day - because 99% of people are boring, scared, unwilling to show themselves to others.

WIA Wrote:Every chick should be getting fucked, but that's never how it plays out. Bitches with sky high standards and the vast majority of the dudes not hollering.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  The thing is that this kind of behavior on the guys part makes it even feel weirder. Because now there's an audience...a group of girls will have like five dudes just standing there, and when you walk up, you're thinking "shit, all these people are watching." because they are.

watching like hawks man

I've had dudes shake their heads after seeing me get blown out, and i've also had dudes randomly insert themselves into conversations after it's been going for ten minutes. dudes be blockin these days, and that shit is annoying af.

Basically. But it's part of it. I'm not on point if I don't get blown out occasionally. I'm not trying to have some innocent chat - I'm going for belly laughs and thrown drinks in the face.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  And when homeboy opens his mouth and drives the girl away, you can't help but his ass

The answer is tighter game, but still...shit is demoralizing in the moment. What you say about the ego later on is real man

Learning and applying game is basically getting in touch with your feelings, expressing them, but not letting them control you.

There's a difference between being this super cold Shaft type character - and being detached in a Zen sort of way.

I don't let things bother me/I have no emotions vs I have emotions, but I use them to my advantage.

There was a thread about showing emotion, showing anger/displeasure at a chick - and the conventional wisdom is to "never raise your voice". I'm much more in the Mufasa school. (that XXL post on what to do when your chick acts up is very good, provided you don't follow the same dumb advice you might read on a non-game board)

She wants a fight, i'll give it to her. She wants me to be mad, or whatever, - i'll put on that emotional display - and then take it to a place that she's not in control over. Because chicks do shit to you on the regular, to test your gangsta. She wants excitement, so she riles you up, but she thinks she can get out of it. Show her that she cannot.

This is that same push away dynamic.

WIA Wrote:Guys that go out and truly observe know what I'm talking about. I could be at a spot for two hours, make eye contact withn all of the groups of people around me and never say a word. And they'll see me and never talk.

Everyone is scared, especially the biggest scariest dudes and the hottest chicks.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  C'mon WIA, you know the hottest chicks aren't going to the same clubs as us. They're partying on yachts or art museums or some shit

Right! If I only we had higher SMV's...

That being said, there is a "scene". And some chicks don't go to plebian clubs.
But getting access to the afterparties ends up being about game as well.

If you're that dude, that constantly gets shit live, and you make it a point to connect with DUDES and CHICKS, you'll get social options greater than the club. RSD Luke talks a shit ton about this, and any guy that has ever done promotions or luxury sales knows this. Build a legit network. Go to stuff, have stuff and invite people over.

WIA Wrote:When a guy comes at the game with a social scientist pov, and he sees yearning among the dysfunction - the club transforms before his eyes.

Yes.

WIA Wrote:In practice, I'll usually see some Africans or Caribbeans on the dance floor.
1) jump in so you can learn
2) grab a female that wants to learn
3) the guy who can dance gets to teach, the girl who wants to dance gets to shake her shit
4) everyone else sees you spark it, and they get into it, and get into you.

Everyone wants to get picked by the magician

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  This gets people to come to you on the dance floor. But the music is loud, and after a couple of songs, people still want to be entertained. How do you keep it up?

"Let's go cool off by the bar for a bit before round 2"

Me personally, I work the crowd if the party gets live, and then I pull off when I lose steam.
I'll engage or reengage chicks/groups at that point. I have so much mojo at that point, it doesn't really matter if she was a part of it or not. If she was, that's better. If she wasn't, i'm not phased.

When little kids are sad, angry, whatever - a grown up changes his emotional mood and talks to the kid in such a way that the kid changes moods. Doesn't always work, but it works enough that it's a valid parenting strategy.

So you got the party live, some straggler fine chick comes later, and you approach her hyped up. You don't let her negative/boring energy bring you down. You stay in your groove and she OFTEN (though not always) matches your emotional energy. The ice literally melts, even though she doesn't initially want to bothered with your sweaty ass.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  You can get people to come to you, that's easy. Smile, and do something other than a two step.

But how do you get them out of there afterwards? Dudes flock once they see dancing clown + four or five girls. happened to me so many times, but I didn't really know what to do.

Comte described this above. The pack of hungry wolves descends, like how lions show up after the cheetah manages to run down a gazelle.

In a conversation - a dude shows up - make sure you throw a girl at him - because he won't know what to do and flame out. He won't be nearly as exciting or interesting as you the conductor of the conversation.

The dance floor is different - because her attention span is short. If you can get the group of chicks to learn a new step from you - that boxes those guys out. (chicks follow the guy with the most fun) Realistically, that's hard as shit for me, and most dudes. More often, you've got to do a "Fillmore Slim"

So when Frisco pimp Fillmore Slim first came to Frisco, he brought out 10 chicks to run the streets for him. Within a few hours, local pimps had shown up, and they had taken all his chicks. Then Fillmore called in his A-Team. 20 of his finest came through. It didn't phase him. I think in the story, the original 10 he wanted to get rid of, or didn't matter to him. Some eventually returned to Fillmore because the other dudes didn't have as much game as Slim.

So you get one set of chicks on the floor, and then the wolfpack comes. It doesn't bother you. You grab the chicks on the sidelines and do the same thing again. And there are always chicks on the sidelines. I love to break it down with a big girl, just because of the social proof.

"he's dancing with a fatty? Pass! "

More like "he's getting that chick out of her shell, and he can do that to me as well. "

I like this shit so much, that I ended up making connections during the "let out", that last 5-20 minutes of the club closing and the linger for cabs.

"There's that guy"

And if you're like me, you go to the same set of spots - the memory of you stays in their heads. (all the more reason to dress/look distinctive, more so than fashionable)

Honestly, I'm always surprised when i write this shit down, and realize I haven't read anyone else talk about this shit. This is how it goes down in black/hip hop/latin/mixed clubs. I don't go to 90% Vanilla shit, so maybe that's not how those PUA guys experience the world.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I guess it depends on how they react, but man. I've tried the dance floor thing, and it just hasn't gotten me the results that I'd like. I'm saying that I've had 8s open me because of my moves, and I still didn't take them home.

Getting her to open you isn't the clincher. You need to back up your open with more than just that shit.

But taking it back to "How to win friends and influence people" - she opens you about dancing or whatever - you need to spin that back to her. She talks about herself and thinks you're the greatest conversationalist ever.

"You from Denver....that explains everything...you know what they say about girls from Denver"
^That right there can start a banter and back and forth, where she's trying to figure out what the stereotype is, talk about herself, defend herself....

She'll be engaged with you, seeking your approval, and you can get her compliance.

As a learning tool, a player can start with small bits of this type stuff, and gradually get more bold. At the intermediate level, start bold - and then withstand the social barrage that comes after. You challenge hard, she comes back harder, but she can't shake you.

chick - I'm from Hawaii..
you - dead pan - OMG, girls from Hawaii are all sluts (hard)

chick - angry and mortified, starts yelling at you
you - "are you done yet? You're so easy to rile up" *smirk*

A chick that approaches you
- likes what she sees so far
- she needs to investigate
- you need to impress her

But when a chick approaches a player
- he's not actually in the mood to impress, because she's just a chick
- he wants to see what she's about
- so he plays a long a bit, a getting to know you type questions, then he goes left (a direction that she doesn't expect)
- she becomes engaged
- he challenges, and she tries to meet challenge out of her sense of ego,

The challenge gets her off her buyer/seller dynamic, like I was saying above.

(01-19-2017 10:38 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

Quote:Most of the time you know what the psychology of others is internally because you feel it too.

WIA

Truth.

Game is fun, but it's fun because it's frustrating. At least for me it is. That's why I'm glad I have y'all to talk with.

Indeed

WIA

How would you handle this?







WIA

^^^^
"Well who stapled your twat shut"

I would ask her what keeps her busy, and then turn it into a slight neg to get her riled up.

"No time for love? Sounds lonely. You must be a Pisces"

Yeah reframe, reframe, reframe. Maybe something like: "I feel sorry for people who are unable to let go and just enjoy life."

Honestly if she's saying shit like that to me it's only a matter of time. File that under other classics like: "we're not having sex".

(01-20-2017 04:15 PM)Sketness Wrote:  ^^^^
"Well who stapled your twat shut"

This is a little too harsh. This is like when you were kids, and you and a friend were play fighting and one person plays a little rough and a fight breaks out.

I would say something like: Me neither, love hurts and I always run away from things that are painful to me. Here move over so I can sit down, standing up for so long makes my glutes hurt.

So last night's white lizard who said she'd put me on with her friend didn't respond today to texts. Onto the next one.

I felt so cool attempting solo game last night, I'm going to try it again tonight. Have been social for most of the day, went to an event with some friends, and am treating myself to a dinner at a chic restaurant (#treatyoself) before hitting up this party at one of my favorite bars.

I'll probably post my experience here, just to have you wonderful gents dissect it.

I did grab a digit at the social event, but think it was more of a courteousy - was with a black lizard (am I turning into WIA with the terminology? It doesn't help that my former LTR, the one I'm still heartbroken over, now refers to herself as "half reptile/half girl" on her social media). These hoes are building the stereotype for themselves.

This red pill is starting to taste good.