(12-28-2016 04:52 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Month ago I saw original MG42 in the shop. Some guy brought it and said it will be sent to museum. Unfortunately barrel was filled and firing pin destroyed. Doesn't matter, you couldn't buy it from him and automatic weapons are not permitted in Croatia.

Bummer.

(12-27-2016 06:28 PM)Cosmonaut Wrote:  Not sure if it was posted here but the guys who set the homeless man on fire in Berlin turned themselves in to police. drumroll please.....

6 syrians and a libyan asylum seeker, setting a drunken passed out homeless man on fire on christmas eve.

i haven't been posting much in this thread since my numbers were below the 250 rule but now that thats been changed, i look forward to sharing more here. I live in Berlin and have for the last few years. it really sucks seeing such a great place turning to shit. I feel like everyone around me moves around with blinders over their eyes. They avoid the issue, or speak some vapid platitudes. But they know whats going on.

I'm constantly reminded of a book I read this summer, The Lucifer Principle, in which the author describes the behaviour of declining alpha apes when confronted with a new enemy, and when they know somewhere deep down they're in trouble. Instead of responding with strength, they shut down. they look away, avoid eye contact, and pretend to focus on other things, as if the challenge didn't exist. and down on the pecking order they go. cant help but realize this is whats happening here

The Lucifer Principle is a remarkably good book, and was instrumental in my own awakening. You're quite right about the physical cues of submission. I'm convinced that the surrender to Islam can be best explained as a symptom of physical cowardice. It's trite but true to say that physical surrender is ingrained into women's biological makeup for evolutionary reasons. But what about men? If indeed, we are in the throes of a great replacement (we are), this can only succeed in a feminized society, where men are emasculated. Also some men just don't have stomach (or balls) for a fight.

As individual men, all we can do is seek out other like minded men and physically prepare for the coming troubles. Join a hard core martial arts dojo (Judo, BJJ, or Kyokushin Karate). Contrary to popular belief, physical courage can be taught, and the esprit de corps you foster with other men on the mats will form a support group that you can hopefully rely on when the shit hits the fan.

I wish we could get weapons in the UK. I agree with proper, intense checks to make sure you're not a nutcase, but with the demographic changes looming around the corner (which will come to the fore in the coming decades, but career politicians only care about election cycles and not about their people), I wish I could at least get a pistol. I used to be very anti-gun, and I'm still very critical about certain US rules regarding purchase/ownership (basically, it's too easy), places like Finland and Switzerland have shown it can be a great thing (firearm ownership).

Edit: Open to any guys who can explain in more detail what actually happens in the States when you buy a gun.

(12-28-2016 07:20 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I wish we could get weapons in the UK. I agree with proper, intense checks to make sure you're not a nutcase, but with the demographic changes looming around the corner (which will come to the fore in the coming decades, but career politicians only care about election cycles and not about their people), I wish I could at least get a pistol. I used to be very anti-gun, and I'm still very critical about certain US rules regarding purchase/ownership (basically, it's too easy), places like Finland and Switzerland have shown it can be a great thing (firearm ownership).

Edit: Open to any guys who can explain in more detail what actually happens in the States when you buy a gun.

Not American, but Canadian, so I can give a brief overview of the laws in Canada.

We have 3 classifcations:

1. Non Restricted, generally speaking "brown" or wood stock hunting rifles, where the gun is barrel is longer than 16". Also includes anti-tank weapons and mortars. Gun can be semi auto, bolt, lever or break action. Can be used to hunt animals.

2. Restricted "black" or "scary" looking rifles, and pistols. There are some stupid and obnoxious laws written about how you can transport these guns - basically to make them a pain in the ass to use. They're not allowed for hunting either.

3. Prohibited. Includes very small pistols, certain "dangerous" guns and anything that's really fun. Might include some automatics, but I can't remember.

And yes, I'm not joking, the laws don't make much sense because they were written by the Liberals in 1992 who basically went through a gun magazine or two and categorized them based on how scared the guns made them feel and so left weird holes in the legislation. I think anti-tank gun ammunition would be military only, but the actual weapon is non restricted.

You can apply for a Non Restricted, or Restricted License. Prohibited licenses exist, but you can only get them through marriage or inheritance. And yes, since we have gay marriage, it does come up that in Canadian gun forums on the net that some a guy will marry an old single dude in order to keep the guns out the governments hands.

To get a license, you have take a course for a day or 2 and write a test at the end. I took a program that did both courses in a weekend. It's $200 per license and they last for 5 or 10 years at a time. You do have to send in an application at the end with your money and the Canadian Firearms Centre reviews your application and may want to call people who live with you to make sure you're not a loony. You also have to declare whether or not you're on psych meds or have psych issues. Part of the application fee is paying for them to run a criminal records check on you.

The government here does not support home defense via fire arm. Typically they try to nail your ass to the wall with improper and unsafe storage. The legislation often means whatever a lawyer can convince a judge what they mean.

(12-28-2016 03:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I want a Glock 17, so I will get the permit. A single shot is not enough against an invasion force. It's not the battle of Verdun or the American civil war. Later I want a semi auto rifle.
I know that site already ^^

You want my honest opinion, mate?

Don't wait.

If you can pick up a single shot rabbit rifle and some ammo t-o-d-a-y for the cost of a night out then do it.

You can always sell it later. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and when someone is staring down the barrel of a rifle they rarely bother to check the action or the caliber They just beat feet and GTFO.

My firm advice. Find a cheap .22 rifle with a short, threaded barrel. You will thank me in the years to come.

If you live in a free state, buying a gun goes as follows:

1. Go to store, pick a gun.
2. Say to clerk: Yo, I wanna buy this here gat.
3. Get weird look if you actually say that.
4. Fill out a form 4473 and provide proof of ID and residence (driver's license, basically)
5. Wait for clerk to call in a NICS check to see if you're prohibited from owning a gun. It takes 5-15 minutes.
6. If you passed point 5, pay for gun.
7. Leave store with new gun.

I'm not going to go into a longwinded gun control argument but no, it's not too easy. Guns should be mail order items. Send a copy of the DL for proof of ID, maybe, and they can keep the NICS check if they want. They don't even prosecute people who try to buy guns when they aren't allowed to in 99.9% of the cases, though.

If you're in a free state and you know a guy who is not an FFL holder (Federal Firearm License, what you need to own a business selling guns) who is selling a gun, it goes like this:

1. Set up time and place to meet said person
2. Hand them cash
3. Go home with gun

(12-28-2016 09:02 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 03:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I want a Glock 17, so I will get the permit. A single shot is not enough against an invasion force. It's not the battle of Verdun or the American civil war. Later I want a semi auto rifle.
I know that site already ^^

You want my honest opinion, mate?

Don't wait.

If you can pick up a single shot rabbit rifle and some ammo t-o-d-a-y for the cost of a night out then do it.

You can always sell it later. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and when someone is staring down the barrel of a rifle they rarely bother to check the action or the caliber They just beat feet and GTFO.

My firm advice. Find a cheap .22 rifle with a short, threaded barrel. You will thank me in the years to come.

Strongly advise you follow Leonard's advice. Don't wait! Prices will never be cheaper, and availability will only be more scarce for both guns and ammo the longer the current migrant crisis carries on. Stock up as much as your means afford. You never know when the laws and regulations will shift, and if you wait too long, you might find yourself with few or no options. Act today.

In addition to what I wrote above, I suggest looking at it like this.

Everyone wants his first car to be awesome. A range rover or a Ferrari or whatever.

You do not want to be the guy that has to get out of town quickly on foot because he was biding his time on the Ferarri option rather than picking up an ugly, reliable Honda in the meanwhile.

"Best" is the mortal enemy of "good enough for now". And that crappy little rifle with a box of cheap ammo? If the shit ever hit the fan you could flip that for a lot of gold and silver jewellery when negotiating with the guy who waited just a little too long because he was sitting on the paperwork for his first glock.

edit: With the proper attachments a .22 rifle can be so quiet that you can literally hear nothing other than the action of the gun as it cycles. There have been plenty of scumbags that took the sound of a nearby ricochet or bullet whizzing by them with no rifle report as a polite but forceful "go somewhere else" demand. Information provided only on a "without effective rule of law" basis.

(12-28-2016 09:02 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  My firm advice. Find a cheap .22 rifle with a short, threaded barrel. You will thank me in the years to come.

Short because of better maneuverability? Regarding sound suppressors and 22., idea comes to me that I could use such a silent gun to practice in the woods without alarming anyone.

(12-28-2016 05:43 PM)dain_bramage Wrote:  Bummer.

Damn but it was awesome to see it in person and feel the weight.

(12-29-2016 02:19 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 09:02 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  My firm advice. Find a cheap .22 rifle with a short, threaded barrel. You will thank me in the years to come.

Short because of better manoeuvrability? Regarding sound suppressors and 22., idea comes to me that I could use such a silent gun to practice in the woods without alarming anyone.

Long barrels on a .22 are IMO largely useless unless you're planning on competing with hobby target shooters at ranges longer than 50 yards. Most modern name brand 22s get good groupings since with modern manufacturing processes it's not rocket science.

Ammunition choice is typically the more relevant factor.

Manoeuvrability is secondary to concealability and overall weight which in turn affects how well the gun handles. Long barrels that make the gun heavier at the end that goes bang are something of a necessary evil for decent accuracy and velocity when dealing with higher powered centrefire rifles which are expected to perform out to 400 yards and beyond but a lot of people specifically want to shoot .22 rimfire at below subsonic speeds at short distances, so long barrels are unnecessary. You'd be amazed at the kind of accuracy you can get these days even out of 6 inch pistol barrels.

In this instance my preference is for a gun that can be balanced more or less at the grip. It would look something like this:



Best to avoid guns that have been shortened after they were manufactured. The companies build a product to function as sold and you should trust a seriously modified second hand gun about as much as you should trust a seriously modified second hand car.

Anyone can feel free to PM me for more details because I don't want to hijack the thread. There are also lots of other forum members that know their stuff regarding guns. You can find most of them at them here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-23927-page-12.html

Regarding the laws you'd have to check them out yourself. Restrictions on things like suppressors, folding stocks and minimum gun/barrel lengths often apply, even in the states.

I need a gun safe first by the law. It can be a simple locker but I need something that I can close.
Free guns are single barrel rifles, I can get something like this:
   
It's a Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle. For semi auto or a pistol I need a permit. For this I need to do a psychological test. I will check for gun safes today. I live in a rental apartment so not a lot of space to store. Also most rifles, even used are pricey.

That's a bolt action .308 with a magazine? That looks like quite a good rifle. Not too large, 10 round magazine. Probably not heavy. Nice.

(12-29-2016 04:05 AM)Parzival Wrote:  I need a gun safe first by the law. It can be a simple locker but I need something that I can close.

A bottom dollar option is to find a dead fridge, yank the motor and rivet one of these in place.



Assuming you have the tools you need (or can borrow them) then you could do this for less than 10 bucks plus your time.

Europe is not like USA where there are decent stand your ground laws. You shoot someone you will probably end up in jail even if its for self-defence.

This is why Europe sucks

Haha in Turkey if a robber goes into your house you are only allowed to shoot him if he comes into your bedroom. You can not attack him if he is in the living room

How fucked up is this?

Since kemalism took Europe as an example regarding written laws, I'm pretty sure European countries have similar laws.

There is no problem getting a gun, I'm sure everyone can, the problem is the risk of rotting in jail because of some degenerate.

Quote:Europe is not like USA where there are decent stand your ground laws.

Even in the USA, our stand your ground laws vary tremendously by state. In Texas, you can be a man and defend yourself. Here in libfag California, you are literally required to run away from the robber while he cleans out your house. The only time you're allowed to shoot back is if you are backed into a corner and he is threatening you with deadly force. God forbid you get a district attorney that sides with the poor lil' criminal. I hate this state at times. Liberal fags trying to castrate a man from protecting his family and belongings. Makes you want to shoot the intruders and just bury them in the back yard.

There's a saying in rural America: shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Presumably some Europeans have backyards and basements and stuff.

Just saying.

(12-29-2016 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  There's a saying in rural America: shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Presumably some Europeans have backyards and basements and stuff.

Just saying.

What if you kill him in a place like London where there are CCTV's basically EVERYWHERE. That saying is for rural USA, not metropolitan Europe.

You're implying that its easy to get away with murder, trust me its not.Big brother is everywhere, they can track your every single movement from your smartphone. This is just a small example.

That's why I don't live in metropolitan London. Or NYC.

...Well, I don't live in a less populated and less ridiculously intrusive place specifically so I can kill people and get away with it. But you know what I mean.

There's not much I can say about insane self defense laws other than apparently it is the natural human condition for people to support a state monopoly on the use of force and if the little people get murdered and raped, well that's just tough shit. America is an anomaly, and it's been a hard fight to keep America from going all the way down the same insane path as the rest of the world. So far all we've managed to do is make America go down that path slower.

As to getting away with murder, well, I don't know much about the justice systems in other countries. Here, if you just shut the fuck up and get a lawyer when the police arrest you, odds are good you'll walk. Most criminals talk themselves into jail trying to convince the cops they're innocent.

Nearly all the degens live in the metropolitan areas anyway, you are not at risk if you're in rural USA so chances of burying someone is very low

Even in rural Europe there are few/ no degens.

Nearly all the degenerates are concentrated in metropolitan shitlib cities where there are no proper stand your ground laws!

(12-29-2016 07:18 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  There's a saying in rural America: shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Presumably some Europeans have backyards and basements and stuff.

Just saying.

What if you kill him in a place like London where there are CCTV's basically EVERYWHERE. That saying is for rural USA, not metropolitan Europe.

You're implying that its easy to get away with murder, trust me its not.Big brother is everywhere, they can track your every single movement from your smartphone. This is just a small example.

The majority of European capitals (and big cities) don't have a fraction of the CCTVs London has.
Besides, the topic is self defense from intruders, not murder on the streets.

(12-29-2016 06:20 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 04:05 AM)Parzival Wrote:  I need a gun safe first by the law. It can be a simple locker but I need something that I can close.

A bottom dollar option is to find a dead fridge, yank the motor and rivet one of these in place.



Assuming you have the tools you need (or can borrow them) then you could do this for less than 10 bucks plus your time.

Its a money issue. I'm still in the trial period of my job till February. So I will not invest a lager sum into this stuff till I'm done with it. The situation is not that extreme here. Sounds like excuses and my even is.
Just want avoid any law slippery. They may let travel well know terrorist all over Europe and commit acts of terror. But for sure they will not let you slip when you bent the laws a little.

Again, and this is a point that apparently has to be laboured over and over and over and over again.

The gun is there so you can convince scumbags to leave on foot rather than in a body bag. Nobody but genuine lunatics are interested in playing "is it really loaded" with an angry stranger.

God forbid you end up shooting some prick, he'll likely limp off and find a street doc or go to hospital and say he was mugged. What's he going to do? Tell the doctor he was doing a home invasion and it went sideways?

Ridiculous nonsense inferring that deploying a gun in your defense is somehow dumber than putting your life in the hands of an aggressive criminal home invader is every bit as stupid as it sounds.

End of story.

I don't know you guys, but I want to shoot every person who begs for money on the red lights. These fuckers dont take no for an answer, they just don't go away when you say you don't wanna pay them to clean your windshield.

(12-29-2016 07:51 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Again, and this is a point that apparently has to be laboured over and over and over and over again.

The gun is there so you can convince scumbags to leave on foot rather than in a body bag. Nobody but genuine lunatics are interested in playing "is it really loaded" with an angry stranger.

God forbid you end up shooting some prick, he'll likely limp off and find a street doc or go to hospital and say he was mugged. What's he going to do? Tell the doctor he was doing a home invasion and it went sideways?

Ridiculous nonsense inferring that deploying a gun in your defense is somehow dumber than putting your life in the hands of an aggressive criminal home invader is every bit as stupid as it sounds.

End of story.

Agreed. But if you shoot someone with .308 at close range it's unlikely they're limping off.