(12-30-2016 06:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  When Islamic Sweden is invading Christian Norway, of course Breivik will be seen as the hero who saw the war coming before anyone else.

You guys think he is being too "extreme" - but in war, nothing is too extreme. There are only winners and losers, and it's not like any of our ancestors were above killing children in wartime. Do you think the allies spared German or Japanese children when they were firebombing cities?

Breivik was only targeting political targets, the children of whom would almost surely grow up into future Hillary Clintons and George Soros's of Norway. He saw where the future was heading and took a bold political act. If he was right, then he took the first steps in protecting his beloved country. But if he was wrong, he faced exile and humiliation but Norway would be just as safe. To a political animal like Breivik, both outcomes were good since he only had the good of his people and country in mind.

With the way things are heading now, Breivik is almost certainly going to be seen as a hero once shit really hits the fan.

Yup.

I think Vox Day said it best.

Quote:As I said not long after the shootings, I will not be in the least bit surprised if Anders Breivik is one day regarded as a national hero in Norway, much like George Washington and William Tell, two men who also offered murderous resistance to their own governments.

Eulogizing a mass murderer of children...yeah I'm out.

I would have had more respect for Breivik if he'd capped a single immigrant rapist in broad daylight in the middle of the street (though I might never have learned his name in that case).

Nothing regarding the issues he had was solvable in a logistical sense. That is to say, he could never have killed enough leftists to make a dent. It would be like trying to hold back the tide with a bucket.

At this stage you can only hope to change hearts and minds. The death of a DA that spends all their time persecuting conservative natives will make people cheer. Scaling a building and unfurling a right wing banner lets people know that the right still exists and still has people willing to fight for it.

Killing a bunch of airheaded teenagers? The authorities allowed it to happen because they knew it would be an own-goal. He was motivated and brave in a sense, but stupid and misguided. He set the right back, not forward.

A few headlines from Germanistan and Eurabia:

Indeed - more of those security risks are coming.

Some towns and local places are cancelling New Year's eve. One location only after a group of Muslims coming over and blatantly asking about security and exits. The lady even recognized one of the enrichers from a folder of 350 Islamists.

Haha:

Anti rape clothes are sold out!

Tens of thousands of Pakistanis and other Muslims are demonstrating in the Streets of Athens:





I think that Greece might fall as one of the first countries - they only need one bigger wave of rapefugees and it is all over - Greek Caliphate is born.

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Europe needs a Chinese solution matrix - ban Hijab, ban certain public prayers, ban long beards and traditional Islamic garb, ban Muslims from serving as teachers and in all functions of civil service. There will be war there too one day, but it will be quick in China. In Europe with 200 mio. Muslims and in the US with 120 mio. Muslims - it will be one hell of a bloodbath.

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As for Breivik - we should better let the topic rest. There is no justification for what he did on the island. Sure - the youth were brainwashed, but they were likely more interested in the nature event or liberal teen pussy and dick out there. There are infinitely better targets than what he did - pro rapefugee politicians, diversity pushing NGOs galore, known Islamists and violent no-go zone criminals in Norway.

I stand by my statement that the operation smells of a false flag and did not help anyone but the pro-rapefugee camp. There are of course multiple points which do not make sense in terms of the narrative. Personally I would have shot the guy down if I had my Steyr on me and was nearby. But on the other hand I might have been shot down myself, since there were likely more shooters and some agents were likely watching the shitshow happening. Either way

I think if there had been half a dozen Breiviks rather than just one, Merkel and the rest would have not brought a million barbarians into Europe.

Look how diverse and colourful we are now. In every bigger city you see high force of police, you get warning about sexual attacks, pickpockets and terror. Bag control everywhere. Some places even have armoured vehicles from the Police. When I did grow up, when you seen the police you know something is going on. Now our reality is, don't be in areas with no police. A 5 year can do the connection to mass immigration but we are not allowed to be.
Germans feel the hypocritic, how the government acts strict when they do small mistakes but on a lager scale the government give a shit. More police don't fight the roots of the issues.

I'd like to interrupt the doom and gloom to desire you guys a happy passing of Janus,and to our german and austrian members keep your eyes open and your women safe!
And if you go to a public celebration and feel something is wrong,shoot first or leave but trust your gut!

(12-30-2016 02:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Anders Breivik did nothing wrong. He will be celebrated as a hero someday.

Quote: On 22 July 2011 he killed eight people by detonating a van bomb amid the Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp on the island of Utøya.[7][8]

I'm thinking this might be a bit tongue and cheek but maybe not.

It still shouldn't be taken lightly.


Shooting up people who aren't attacking you is murder and is wrong.

Using terrorist tactics of a car bomb and killing innocents is murder and is wrong.

Anders Breivik killed 77 people.

That doesn't even include people wounded by the car bomb or bullets.


NOW:

If he shot up flash mobs of immigrants - say on NYE in Cologne where they were raping and assaulting women ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's...in_Germany

I'd of shrugged and said he killed rapists, they deserve it.

If he shot up other scumbag gimmegrants rioting and being violent - or let's say shot up a march for sharia law ?

I'd probably say kinda fucked up but......they probably deserve it.


Going around and saying hey it was a great thing he killed a bunch of children and committed a terrorist act is absolutely wrong in my opinion.

I'll always condemn that.


I understand the hatred for this Muslim invasion of Europe, how they need to go, they need to purge Islam from the West, how it will never be able to coexist with European values.

I get all that, but murdering children or promoting that, isn't going to help your cause.

Do I understand what Anders was trying do ? Yes.

He didn't murder "children." He eliminated future traitors of his country. He was also planning to execute the President of Norway, but the President was absent that day.

Also no one has addressed the hypocrisy of supporting the killing of children when our side does it in wars, but condemning it when the other side does it.

As for Breivik hurting his cause, then how come Sweden has become Swedistan but Norway remains Norway? Seems to me the Breivik factor was a success.

Was Madela hurting his cause? He went to prison for terrorism like Breivik and then came out a hero. Same thing is going to happen here unless the Islamisation of Europe is stopped.

(12-31-2016 06:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  He didn't murder "children." He eliminated future traitors of his country. He was also planning to execute the President of Norway, but the President was absent that day.

Also no one has addressed the hypocrisy of supporting the killing of children when our side does it in wars, but condemning it when the other side does it.

As for Breivik hurting his cause, then how come Sweden has become Swedistan but Norway remains Norway? Seems to me the Breivik factor was a success.

Was Madela hurting his cause? He went to prison for terrorism like Breivik and then came out a hero. Same thing is going to happen here unless the Islamisation of Europe is stopped.

Mate, this is the same shit you're against when it comes to the "JQ" on the 'drama in the alt right' thread. If someone was casually browsing this thread and saw what you said about Breivik, what do you reckon they'd come away with?

That said, I agree with you on the Terminator-style eliminating future enemies thing, it WAS completely rational and thought out, but also completely murderous and cold-blooded against teenagers who may/will change their minds...and not the thing we should be associated with unless we want to be seen as maniacs, and rightly so.

(12-31-2016 06:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  He didn't murder "children." He eliminated future traitors of his country. He was also planning to execute the President of Norway, but the President was absent that day.

I don't think you can just assume that - they WERE children/teens, it's that simple.

If you'd like to call someone traitors, I suppose you can put that on their parents.


Correct on the presidential attack, but of course STILL murdered innocents in that bombing.

Quote:Also no one has addressed the hypocrisy of supporting the killing of children when our side does it in wars, but condemning it when the other side does it.

Warzone and a peaceful Norway city and island are apples and oranges.

The killing of children in war is terrible and I'd hope everyone condemns that.

Quote:As for Breivik hurting his cause, then how come Sweden has become Swedistan but Norway remains Norway? Seems to me the Breivik factor was a success.

Norway I don't believe was ever cucked compared to Sweden, Sweden has always been a playground for the PC, SJW, and Leftists doctrines (at least in modern times).

Quote:Was Madela hurting his cause? He went to prison for terrorism like Breivik and then came out a hero. Same thing is going to happen here unless the Islamisation of Europe is stopped.

I assume you're talking about Mandela - I think he did hurt it at some point yes.

He came out a hero - to some. People still despised him.



Breivik is no where near a hero and never will be. He had the correct school of thought (in some of his POV's) of seeing into the future - but his actions were not.


I completely agree that Islam needs to be stopped in Europe, I've already stated, I completely understand why this thread is so important in the understanding of what's really going on.

Turkish friend just texted that club Reina in Istanbul has just bee shot up.

Nice club, this will likely have taken out a lot of damn sexy Turkish girls.

(12-31-2016 07:21 PM)Laner Wrote:  Turkish friend just texted that club Reina in Istanbul has just bee shot up.

Nice club, this will likely have taken out a lot of damn sexy Turkish girls.

35 people killed, 40+ injured.

Fucking terrible man.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/d...ub-reports

(12-31-2016 07:21 PM)Laner Wrote:  Turkish friend just texted that club Reina in Istanbul has just bee shot up.

Nice club, this will likely have taken out a lot of damn sexy Turkish girls.

Turkey enjoying Islamic diversity.

The people in the club are traitors to Islam and Mohammed anyway. They live like the degenerate Westerners partying (haram), drinking alcohol (very haram), dancing with girls (haram) and listening to music (haram).

So of course you have the case of true Muslims killing lukewarm Muslims.

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Someone above said that if we had gotten 10 Breiviks in Sweden, then this would not have happened.

Nah - in the early 1990s there was major backlash and attacks in Sweden when the Serbian/Croatian refugees came over (true ones in most cases - and 20 times less troublesome than the current bunch). The globalists just doubled down and started to implement a stronger indoctrination program. And that would have happened with 10 Breiviks.

The globalists never stop, at the very least they just go back to the drawing board and plan further stronger indoctrination until the population accepts the rapefugee hordes one or two generations later. Those guys think decades in advance.

And that is why this WILL NEVER STOP UNLESS THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM AND WHAT THEY ARE UP AGAINST. You will not be able to vote yourself out of it - those things are at best setbacks to the globalists like Brexit and Trump.

They don't change the game. That is why even guys like Andrew Jackson ultimately failed. Abolishing the bank was not enough. He should have gone straight for the money system itself establishing the rule for the US government to print money responsibly debt-free based on the population growth and inflation (it is not difficult to do unless you are a moronic banana republic and the 1830s USA was already far away from that). Andrew Jackson should have established that in the constitution. But instead the usury scam went on and a new central bank was later reestablished.

But that was 1830. The globalists have almost 200 years more under their belt of power and money accumulation since then.

Sweden is gone.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index...ialnetwork

Quote:On December 29, 2016 I received a call from a friend in Sweden. I've known him for years and I know he would not lie.

My friend had just come back from a new refugee center, which is directly opposite his house in a small southern Swedish village.

Before he went over, he had been visited by a little Muslim girl who knocked on the door and said that her father wanted to talk to him. And since my friend is no coward, he went over to the center on the other side of the street.

Here he met the girl's father, who introduced himself as a Palestinian and told that he was 42. He was adorned with the obligatory salafist beard and radiated evil, which more and more of us Westerners have come to know.

"I know who you are and what you stand for," said the holy warrior. "I know what you write on Facebook, and who your friends are. But although we have come to Sweden to seize power, do not be afraid. You can safely remain, and in this town, nothing will happen" - meaning: It will elsewhere, until Allah has conquered the Swedes.

"Allah will conquer the Swedes, who are too stupid to understand what's happening," said the salafist.

"Why do you think he would give you that message?" I asked.

"I do not know, can you give me an explanation?"

"I can not think of any other explanation than that he wanted to scare you and your neighbors by demonstrating who now holds the power in your town. Nothing is probably more powerful than to inform you that at any time he can crush you and your family, but that you so far are off the hook. As long as you do not interfere with his holy war. "

"Sweden is lost," said my friend. "What can we do? The State is well on Islam's side. How many brave men and women can I mobilize to drive this vermin out?"

"Probably none," I replied.

War is coming. The Caliphate in Europe will happen. But on their place I would be rather more concerned what happens when the globalists and China move against the Caliphate to wipe it all out.

Regarding Balkan refugees vs. the Muslim refugees

Croatian refugees from Vukovar



Serbs escaping after the Operation Storm



Muslims

Last night at Cologne Central Station:



At the Central Station multiple hundred Northern Africans ("Nafris") are controlled.

Police statement: "Several hundreds of people, seemingly of African descent, have been tracked at Cologne main railway station. They are now being screened on the Breslauer Platz square for identity and legal status.
Federal Police and Cologne police together are arranging directly.
Persons are under kept under control and there is no imminent danger.
These measures are part of the operational concept."



"Arrested. Quote: 'You are all kuffar and first we fuck you then your women'"

There were about 1000 Northern Africans and 1500 Police Officers.

"Six members of the Identitarian Movement were dissipated and controlled. It's unkown if they planned a protest." http://www.express.de/25396044

Quote:Es habe zwei sexuelle Übergriffe gegeben, 29 Personen wurden in Gewahrsam genommen, von knapp 1700 die Personalien festgestellt. Zu sechs Festnahmen kommen 900 Platzverweise. Außerdem wurden sechs Diebstähle angezeigt.

= There were 2 sexual assaults, 29 persons were temporarily arrested, 1700 were controlled. 6 Arrests, 900 were expelled from the location. 6 thefts were legally proceeded.

The police did a pretty good job. But they're doing overtime work to counter bad political decisions. It's merely cosmetical. But I'm sure they know what to vote in the upcoming election

What are the long term effects on this? More police in public now? More ID checks? And then? No arrest. No deportation. No prison. This whole situation is kafkaesk. Like someone let dig you a hole. Then you have to close the hole again, dig it again, close, dig, close. Some people need longer to understand that is no point behind that. Just to give you a symbolic job. Is this the future of cultural enrichment? Heavy armed and large number of police force everywhere?

(01-01-2017 11:08 AM)Parzival Wrote:  What are the long term effects on this? More police in public now? More ID checks? And then? No arrest. No deportation. No prison. This whole situation is kafkaesk. Like someone let dig you a hole. Then you have to close the hole again, dig it again, close, dig, close. Some people need longer to understand that is no point behind that. Just to give you a symbolic job. Is this the future of cultural enrichment? Heavy armed and large number of police force everywhere?

Everyone chipped. Constant surveillance of every move and word uttered.
Access to internet with chip.
Access to mobil telecommunication with chip.
Access to cash with chip.

But frankly - most people would not accept that. I don't think that they even would if terror acts happen daily. I see this only happening after WWIII and a sufficiently high amount of Muslims surviving. When 1-2 billion have died, then maybe they will have beaten the people enough to accept it.

As for now - the Cologne action is mainly for PR, since the other cities were likely gang-rape central with the main difference that women were a bit more careful or stayed at home parties or at events. I am certain that the reports will come out only later just as with 2016.

It is impossible to stop it all.

There are already news out there about rapes.

https://m.kurier.at/chronik/oberoesterre...38.676.447

Quote:With more staff and a solid organization package take Upper Austria National Police Director Andreas Pilsl and currently 3649 police officers start in the 2017 attack.

On the day after the terrorist act at the Christmas market in Berlin, 160 specially trained police officers swarmed into the currently 704 asylum quarters operated in the country. Three days later, Pilsl had the reports of conspicuities and threatening developments among the 14,000 asylum seekers living in the country at the desk.

15 conspicuous persons were particularly prominent during the control tour. They have now been specifically examined under the involvement of the Land Office for Constitutional Protection (LVT).

Pilsl does not want to gloss over the fact that the number of violent acts in the area of immigration has increased in the daily security business of the police. "We do not want to gloss over anything, but we do not want to dramatize anything. I also dare to say that all the striking Muslims are, that must be allowed," he explains.

Violence in asylum seekers in 2016 rose by 100 per cent, a focal point from the statistics. In the last two weeks, two young men from the asylum were taken into custody. Eight returned participants in the struggles of the IS terrorist state live in Upper Austria. Pilsl: "How to organize the monitoring or deportation of radical persons in the future must still be defined by the policy."

Sees like Austria is willing to manage it all better then Germany. Did you guys know after the terror attack in Berlin, Würzburg or Ansbach, no "official" said sorry to the victims? After the attack in Berlin they just went into holiday and not made a day of silence.
Many of the deaths had be foreigners that did visit Germany. The Hong Kong Family from the train attack in Würzburg or the victims of Berlin. Merkel and the government give a shit if tourist are safe in Germany. Why should they? They also don't care about Germans. The only they do is to talk crap about tolerance and that we should move on. In the meanwhile, they have armoured vehicles and bodyguards. They also don't ride the public transport in the night or at the weekend.

This forum does not endorse or support violence. Warning for Samseau.

Playing Devil's Advocate fellas. My actual position is I do not know if Breivik did anything wrong. If the situation in Europe deteriorates then in 20 years who knows how he'll be seen. Nothing surprises me in politics. Of course on a personal level the idea of committing mass violence without being able to know the future is abhorrent to myself.

But I have always believed the strong do what they can and we don't always know if something is a good thing or a bad thing.

If most men live as stoics and epicureans, I am one of the skeptics sitting on the sidelines.

Zelcorpian said:
I think that Greece might fall as one of the first countries - they only need one bigger wave of rapefugees and it is all over - Greek Caliphate is born.

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Zel, I have Greek blood, and visit the country regularly. I can assure you, Greece will never fall to the caliphate, much less be the first country to do so. You forget that the Greeks were under Ottoman occupation for 400 years and retained their sense of nationhood throughout this time. Walk into any government office and you will see Orthodox icons proudly on display Plus, Greeks are very red pill, and the crisis has made them more so. Any Greek taxi driver you speak to will sprout some truths about the globalists that would not be out of place in this forum.

Now, that's not to say the globalist don't have designs on Greece. They do, and I have noticed some of the media pushing a hard core globalist agenda. But Greeks aren't buying it. Also, most young Greeks still want to have babies and raise children, and large families are regarded as a blessing. Women are women the world over, but slut shaming is still real in Greece and women are less prone to riding the carousel. (I'm not saying they wont, they are just careful about it )

The crises has had a real impact on Greek birthrates, but don't forget there are two "Greeces". One is the country itself, and the other is the diaspora. The Greeks of the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa and Germany represent enormous human (and financial) capital. If incentives can be put int place to bring these people back home, huge benefits could accrue. Ironically, the diversity that is choking the west is an added incentive to these Greeks to return home. As the Anglo-sphere becomes more "diverse", we no longer know what it means to be an American, a Canadian or an Australian, an increasingly, the old European stock of these settler nations are re-discovering there ethnic roots. (That's true not just of Greeks, but Italians, Germans, etc).

I'm not saying it's all roses. far from it. The wave of refugees poses a real challenge. Short of blowing the incoming boats out of the water, there is nothing we can do to stop them. (Of course, if Greece tried to do that, it would quickly become a pariah state, subject to "regime change", so that just isn't an option). Fortunately the crisis works to our favor as Greece is the last place these people want to stay, and the Greeks are happy to see the back of them as soon as possible. Disturbingly, many NGOs are now providing benefits to them, to make their stay in Greece comfortable. Even more perversely, there are rumblings from the Germans that the refugees should be sent back to their country of entry, i.e. Greece. Get that?? Merkel invites them in, and now they want to offload them back onto Greece. Call me cynical, but I think this is by design, to weaken the Greeks' resistance to the NWO. Thing is, many, many Greeks believe the same thing, so there is hope.

Anyway, I've been reading this forum a very long time before i signed up, and I have great respect for your views, so I just wanted to give you my take on the matter, based on first hand experience.

Okay Anders Breivik believed that Islam will bring the end of Europe. But he didn't have to hop on an island and kill 80 teenagers to prove his point. He could have written a book about it, maybe he would be declared a hero 30-40 years after his book was published. He didn't have to resort to violence.

It would be like us murdering feminists to prove our point.