Well Indians can be creepy people.

Then why are you giving them as an example to disprove my theory?

You talked about Europe first. I don't see much negativity against Indians here. And Clubs are different, even local people get rejected at some doors. Use the door politics of a nighclub is not really a proof how racist or not racist a society is. And I'm quite sure an Indian get less stares in Germany, no person that talk to him in a strange way like they did with me when I was in India. I could not walk down a 100 m street without the call: Hello my friend, how are you? Then those people stick around me like glue.

You clearly have never dealt with the Indian/Bangladeshi touts hanging around Rome

I don't go to Rome because its already full with gypsies. What are those kind of people? Beggars? Criminals? If so, then you wonder that they get a negative reputation?

(12-25-2016 04:22 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I lived in Denmark but got to travel all around Europe at the same time. I never got any of the negative vibe in the other countries, it might be specific to Denmark. Fuck I loved France soo much the people were extremely kind. In Italy I basically blended in with the people, everyone spoke to me in Italian immediately thinking I was Italian.

I think I found a picture of you.

White privilege recipient recognized. Your ancestors had too much Janissar or European blood infusion!

We cannot change what we are born with. We can only improve and adapt to the circumstances.

(12-25-2016 04:58 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 04:22 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  I lived in Denmark but got to travel all around Europe at the same time. I never got any of the negative vibe in the other countries, it might be specific to Denmark. Fuck I loved France soo much the people were extremely kind. In Italy I basically blended in with the people, everyone spoke to me in Italian immediately thinking I was Italian.

I think I found a picture of you.

White privilege recipient recognized. Your ancestors had too much Janissar or European blood infusion!

We cannot change what we are born with. We can only improve and adapt to the circumstances.

Haha If I looked like that I wouldn't get the weird stares

(12-25-2016 04:44 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I don't go to Rome because its already full with gypsies. What are those kind of people? Beggars? Criminals? If so, then you wonder that they get a negative reputation?

Gypsies are solid musicians and some actually produce good stuff. Also many have influenced European folk music since they traveled in the past.

Governments in Europe should consider giving their tribes certain lands and helping them create folk-themed-carny-like places of palm readers, musicians, artists, various carny-folk. They are born carny folk and would only need a hand in initial setup. Heck - I would go visit that, because they could be good in that. Nowadays they group together with various begging, stealing gangs and the money is siphoned off to some big-wigs in the Balkans or Rumania.

But my propoosition would probably be called racist despite actually working, preserving their culture while keeping them away from doing crime and mischief anywhere else. Currently our system rejects anything that does not plan to make everyone identical, because according to them we all are.

The nice gypsies from James Bond are a fairy tale. When I worked in a shop they send the minority aged kids to steal. Same in the cities. When you give them land, they will waste it and curse you with their witchery.

(12-25-2016 04:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 03:36 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I finally understand now that there is no culture in the West, after spending this year living in Poland I finally came back to the UK for my yearly visit to see the family for Christmas. I believe the debate was 8v1, I had decided ahead of time not to engage in political talk with the family as it wouldnt end well for me, and not end well it did. Despite knowing better not to do so I did anyway, I had endured Merkel's praise as a leader from a cousin, various anti trump rhetoric and dumbass ignorant facts about Brexit from a few uncles, but I was not prepared for what came next. My uncle finally and proudly told the family, after a discussion about the recent terror attack in Berlin, that had he been a victim of such an attack, he would trust us not to re-enforce any hatred towards muslims as they collectively had done nothing wrong.

There it was, in all its glory to behold, it had all started with a small reply from me "you cant be serious?", and that was all it took, there is no need to post a brief summary of what happened I just sort of voiced alot of basic logic that has been repeated on here 1000 times. The escalation was so rapid I was getting called all sorts of the usual names, tbh none of this even bothered me for awhile, ive argued with many a liberal in real life and can easily just shut them down with facts but to quickly learn that my family just does not care, was the most bizarre thing of all. It was such a strange thing to endure, I was quite content to sit there as 8 children I call my family lectured me for not knowing any better, rather than engage further in debate I simply listened and took it all in, I asked basic questions that peeked my interest but for the most part let them have their way, I know in that kind of setting I will convince no one. In that, probably an hour long exchange I realized they just don't care

They dont care about their culture, as they say "what is our culture anyway"
They dont care about dying in one of these attacks, they compared it to that of dying from a car accident "so what if we all die, we are all going to die anyway, im more likely to get hit by a car tomorrow"
They dont care about even basic integration "they shouldnt have to adopt our way of life if they dont want to, thats racist"
They dont care about demographics "if they outbreed us so what, we have been a majority for way too long anyway"

They just dont care, any minor point I tried to make got the same response, how can I fight for this family guys?

So yeah id say lesson learnt on my behalf, but I already knew ahead of time it was a bad idea, dont bring up politics with family, take it from me you will come out of it a lot more bitter than if you just sat there and put up with the kind of lines you might read on your social media feed. I know now id probably start an argument again under the right circumstances, family is family but learning they give 0 fucks even about one of their own, new perspective attained.

Discussions with family are tough.

In the past I had major discussions and still sometimes have.

Now I manage to stay out of hot-button topics. I voice certain things if the parties are at least somewhat open to other debate points or I just stress a certain way of thinking.

My sister is a SJW-journalist - a true believer who honestly believes ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT ANY MAINSTREAM LEFTIST NEWSPAPER WRITES. I also came to the realizeation that the media and entertainment complex has managed to make it appear so that anyone who is anti-immigration or pro-Trump, pro-Brexit, pro-AFD - that this person is like a Neonazi racist and one step away from joining the SS and mowing down Jewish villages in Russia. No seriously - I honestly think that the media has managed to convince them of that.

So I usually when discussing topics of that poke holes in the perception of that thought process and also introduce them to the next updates like gender-craziness etc. that they have no idea of.

But generally I advise folk to avoid the topics, because keep in mind that your family is sometimes the one who in dire times are willing to risk their lives for you - never underestimate the blood-bond. You can observe their indoctrination and be gentle to them when speaking to them. They are brainwashed mind-slaves and you are a free thinker and have to take the higher viewpoint.

A better state is to assume the Amused Mastery mindset known in Game.

Funny tidbit - one guy in the extended family got himself married recently with an American girl. He is Polish and actually went to the States and came back married. She is a good girl and adores him, so it is fine. I mentioned briefly that I am happy for having moved from Western Europe to Poland a few years back - mostly due to the wrong kind of immigration and she gave me a look and fully understood. She agreed with me and later I found out that she would not want to go back to the US to raise their kids. She wants to visit and travel the the States, but certiainly feels that her kids would be better off in a 99,99% Christian-White Polish country than in the ever more diverse economically deteriorating USA. And the funny part is that she is a full Democratic Obama supporter, but disagrees strongly on that front. Ah well - some people cannot see straight.

Yeah I well and truly love the Christian culture in Poland, it made me start going to church again this year, something I probably would never have done staying in the West. I only take solace in the fact that I can consider Poland my new home, really though even if Brexit meant me getting thrown out of the country, at this point id just marry into citizenship, I just cant go back now.

Id known for years my family is super lefty libtard, and thought I could keep that sort of "outside looking in" perspective on them without having to engage them directly. But this year has been bad and then I just took a bait because it just crossed some imaginary line that didnt even exist in my head. "the UK is multicultural now, just accept it", yeah Ill accept it by moving my ass out of here, enjoy Sharia Law.

The point you said of in dire times them coming to save me though, I would also agree, but today that threw things into question. Which is why I probably engaged them to begin with, when a blood bond has been conditioned out of my own family, its sad to see.

(12-25-2016 05:11 PM)Parzival Wrote:  The nice gypsies from James Bond are a fairy tale. When I worked in a shop they send the minority aged kids to steal. Same in the cities. When you give them land, they will waste it and curse you with their witchery.

You forgot to mention that in the proccess they will go through your trash bin and spread its contents around the entire street in what can only be described as "passionately angry littering"

I think the gypsies deserve their own thread. We can talk pages about how this people abuses the system wherever they go.

∆∆ regarding getting into arguments with left wing families. I don't see the point, but neither am I willing to let them assume total consensus.
I can simply say, "I disagree".

If pushed as to why, I would simply tell them " I have spent literally hundreds of collective hours researching this matter from every reasonable angle. When you have done the same, let's talk."

(12-25-2016 08:12 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ∆∆ regarding getting into arguments with left wing families. I don't see the point, but neither am I willing to let them assume total consensus.
I can simply say, "I disagree".

If pushed as to why, I would simply tell them " I have spent literally hundreds of collective hours researching this matter from every reasonable angle. When you have done the same, let's talk."

I had a similar situation at Christmas lunch where pretty much everyone was saying how "shocking" it was that Trump got elected. I was kind of expecting this, because aside from my (real) Christian great-grandparents, everyone else there is a greenie, vegan type.

I simply said "well, how much attention were you paying?. I followed it closely for a year. I was not shocked, and I could tell you exactly why he won". They all hummed and hawed for a second, then softly changed the subject, because they did not want to know.

(12-25-2016 03:36 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I finally understand now that there is no culture in the West, after spending this year living in Poland I finally came back to the UK for my yearly visit to see the family for Christmas. I believe the debate was 8v1, I had decided ahead of time not to engage in political talk with the family as it wouldnt end well for me, and not end well it did. Despite knowing better not to do so I did anyway, I had endured Merkel's praise as a leader from a cousin, various anti trump rhetoric and dumbass ignorant facts about Brexit from a few uncles, but I was not prepared for what came next. My uncle finally and proudly told the family, after a discussion about the recent terror attack in Berlin, that had he been a victim of such an attack, he would trust us not to re-enforce any hatred towards muslims as they collectively had done nothing wrong.

There it was, in all its glory to behold, it had all started with a small reply from me "you cant be serious?", and that was all it took, there is no need to post a brief summary of what happened I just sort of voiced alot of basic logic that has been repeated on here 1000 times. The escalation was so rapid I was getting called all sorts of the usual names, tbh none of this even bothered me for awhile, ive argued with many a liberal in real life and can easily just shut them down with facts but to quickly learn that my family just does not care, was the most bizarre thing of all. It was such a strange thing to endure, I was quite content to sit there as 8 children I call my family lectured me for not knowing any better, rather than engage further in debate I simply listened and took it all in, I asked basic questions that peeked my interest but for the most part let them have their way, I know in that kind of setting I will convince no one. In that, probably an hour long exchange I realized they just don't care

They dont care about their culture, as they say "what is our culture anyway"
They dont care about dying in one of these attacks, they compared it to that of dying from a car accident "so what if we all die, we are all going to die anyway, im more likely to get hit by a car tomorrow"
They dont care about even basic integration "they shouldnt have to adopt our way of life if they dont want to, thats racist"
They dont care about demographics "if they outbreed us so what, we have been a majority for way too long anyway"

They just dont care, any minor point I tried to make got the same response, how can I fight for this family guys?

So yeah id say lesson learnt on my behalf, but I already knew ahead of time it was a bad idea, dont bring up politics with family, take it from me you will come out of it a lot more bitter than if you just sat there and put up with the kind of lines you might read on your social media feed. I know now id probably start an argument again under the right circumstances, family is family but learning they give 0 fucks even about one of their own, new perspective attained.

(12-25-2016 04:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 03:36 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I finally understand now that there is no culture in the West, after spending this year living in Poland I finally came back to the UK for my yearly visit to see the family for Christmas. I believe the debate was 8v1, I had decided ahead of time not to engage in political talk with the family as it wouldnt end well for me, and not end well it did. Despite knowing better not to do so I did anyway, I had endured Merkel's praise as a leader from a cousin, various anti trump rhetoric and dumbass ignorant facts about Brexit from a few uncles, but I was not prepared for what came next. My uncle finally and proudly told the family, after a discussion about the recent terror attack in Berlin, that had he been a victim of such an attack, he would trust us not to re-enforce any hatred towards muslims as they collectively had done nothing wrong.

There it was, in all its glory to behold, it had all started with a small reply from me "you cant be serious?", and that was all it took, there is no need to post a brief summary of what happened I just sort of voiced alot of basic logic that has been repeated on here 1000 times. The escalation was so rapid I was getting called all sorts of the usual names, tbh none of this even bothered me for awhile, ive argued with many a liberal in real life and can easily just shut them down with facts but to quickly learn that my family just does not care, was the most bizarre thing of all. It was such a strange thing to endure, I was quite content to sit there as 8 children I call my family lectured me for not knowing any better, rather than engage further in debate I simply listened and took it all in, I asked basic questions that peeked my interest but for the most part let them have their way, I know in that kind of setting I will convince no one. In that, probably an hour long exchange I realized they just don't care

They dont care about their culture, as they say "what is our culture anyway"
They dont care about dying in one of these attacks, they compared it to that of dying from a car accident "so what if we all die, we are all going to die anyway, im more likely to get hit by a car tomorrow"
They dont care about even basic integration "they shouldnt have to adopt our way of life if they dont want to, thats racist"
They dont care about demographics "if they outbreed us so what, we have been a majority for way too long anyway"

They just dont care, any minor point I tried to make got the same response, how can I fight for this family guys?

So yeah id say lesson learnt on my behalf, but I already knew ahead of time it was a bad idea, dont bring up politics with family, take it from me you will come out of it a lot more bitter than if you just sat there and put up with the kind of lines you might read on your social media feed. I know now id probably start an argument again under the right circumstances, family is family but learning they give 0 fucks even about one of their own, new perspective attained.

Discussions with family are tough.

In the past I had major discussions and still sometimes have.

Now I manage to stay out of hot-button topics. I voice certain things if the parties are at least somewhat open to other debate points or I just stress a certain way of thinking.

My sister is a SJW-journalist - a true believer who honestly believes ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT ANY MAINSTREAM LEFTIST NEWSPAPER WRITES. I also came to the realizeation that the media and entertainment complex has managed to make it appear so that anyone who is anti-immigration or pro-Trump, pro-Brexit, pro-AFD - that this person is like a Neonazi racist and one step away from joining the SS and mowing down Jewish villages in Russia. No seriously - I honestly think that the media has managed to convince them of that.

So I usually when discussing topics of that poke holes in the perception of that thought process and also introduce them to the next updates like gender-craziness etc. that they have no idea of.

But generally I advise folk to avoid the topics, because keep in mind that your family is sometimes the one who in dire times are willing to risk their lives for you - never underestimate the blood-bond. You can observe their indoctrination and be gentle to them when speaking to them. They are brainwashed mind-slaves and you are a free thinker and have to take the higher viewpoint.

A better state is to assume the Amused Mastery mindset known in Game.

Funny tidbit - one guy in the extended family got himself married recently with an American girl. He is Polish and actually went to the States and came back married. She is a good girl and adores him, so it is fine. I mentioned briefly that I am happy for having moved from Western Europe to Poland a few years back - mostly due to the wrong kind of immigration and she gave me a look and fully understood. She agreed with me and later I found out that she would not want to go back to the US to raise their kids. She wants to visit and travel the the States, but certiainly feels that her kids would be better off in a 99,99% Christian-White Polish country than in the ever more diverse economically deteriorating USA. And the funny part is that she is a full Democratic Obama supporter, but disagrees strongly on that front. Ah well - some people cannot see straight.

I've got a lot of left-wing family as well, but here in the states there's no point with arguing with family over politics unless they live in swing states.

For example, most of my left-wing family lives in Mass - who fucking cares if they vote Dem in a state that goes blue every election? No point to arguing with them, provides zero value even if I win. In this respect the USA is great for handling family politics.

However, there is also the real issue of it being impossible to convince your family of ANYTHING. Family members never listen to each other. It's a fact.

Even Jesus got zero respect in his home:

Mark 6:4

Quote:And Jesus said to them -- 'A prophet is not without honour, except in his own country, and among his kindred, and in his own house;'

Matthew 13:53-58

Quote:53 And it came to pass, when Jesus finished these similes, he removed thence,
54 and having come to his own country, he was teaching them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and were saying, `Whence to this one this wisdom and the mighty works?
55 is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 and his sisters -- are they not all with us? whence, then, to this one all these?'
57 and they were stumbled at him. And Jesus said to them, `A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, and in his own house:'
58 and he did not there many mighty works, because of their unbelief.

It's just a fact of life. Family members give zero respect. Totally irrational. They are also the least likely to give you encouragement to do great things. Examples such as the Trump family are the exceptions to the rule.

And sometimes, your family is so fucked up you have no choice but to leave them.

Luke 14:26

Quote:`If any one doth come unto me, and doth not hate his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, and yet even his own life, he is not able to be my disciple;

If your family is evil, it is better to choose God before them.

This is how it's always been, and always will be.

It's time to give the boot to every invader and their enablers in the government, media, NGOs, and churches.

Who cares about Jesus when we can celebrate a false prophet pedophile and his rabidly violent, psychologically unstable followers instead? Brilliant !

On family/politics - living in swing state Florida took an incredible toll on my stress level. My brothers are both blue pill beta cucks who simply refuse to acknowledge anything that doesn't align with progressive dogma. It's infuriating. Specifically regarding immigration, they literally believe migrants are no more prone to crime no matter how many stats and numbers I throw at them. It's always "you just got that from infowarz lololol" in response.

But one time it got so heated between us and escalated to the point of name calling. I was labeled Hitler, a racist, etc for asserting Islamic rapeugees were a net negative for western culture. It didn't end well. We basically stopped talking for a few months.

It is very, very hard not to end up arguing with them every time I visit because we are polar opposites in every way. Modern leftist thought is a mental disorder - it's not a political ideology. There is simply no other explanation for the irrational, nasty, deranged behavior leftists exhibit when challenged about their worldview.

Since the election I've dropped all political talk (which isn't easy for me) when visiting my family, for the sake of my blood pressure. My parents are awake, but my brothers are mentally enslaved morons. They're older than me so they think they know more than me and will never ever change no matter what I show them. It's useless. Sometimes you just have to sit back, observe the cult programming and thank God you aren't one of them.

Some say its photoshopped. You be the judge.
   
   

(12-26-2016 02:21 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  But one time it got so heated between us and escalated to the point of name calling. I was labeled Hitler, a racist, etc for asserting Islamic rapeugees were a net negative for western culture. It didn't end well. We basically stopped talking for a few months.

It is very, very hard not to end up arguing with them every time I visit because we are polar opposites in every way. Modern leftist thought is a mental disorder - it's not a political ideology. There is simply no other explanation for the irrational, nasty, deranged behavior leftists exhibit when challenged about their worldview.

Since the election I've dropped all political talk (which isn't easy for me) when visiting my family, for the sake of my blood pressure. My parents are awake, but my brothers are mentally enslaved morons. They're older than me so they think they know more than me and will never ever change no matter what I show them. It's useless. Sometimes you just have to sit back, observe the cult programming and thank God you aren't one of them.

That is what I meant - if you are not 100% in agreement with the globalist policies, then you are instantly like Hitler and ready to man a concentration camp.

I wonder if most humans actually need some kind of ideal/spiritual framework to believe in. Camille Paglia - the only reasonable old-school feminist - said so herself.

If we humans are not guided by religion, then it must either be spirituality, our own spiritual path. However if we don't have that, then it will be this current dogma of liberalism, cultural marxism, feminism and even this strange deconstructive atheism. Most folk cannot even stomach atheism and go into this kind of anti-all-religions mode where they adhere to the new Youtube atheist prophet trying to "debunk" everyone and everything. That in itself becomes a belief system itself, since you cannot really PROVE THAT GOD OR A DIVINE GUIDANCE DOES NOT EXIST. You may logically prove that an Islamic or other religious God certainly does not exist, but not a different kind of entity or order.

Either way - what I meant is that you have to think of your brainwashed family as like BORN-AGAIN-LEFTISTS. This has become their religion now and questioning that can be seen as an attack against their New God - this believe in the Obama-Utopia if only we could get rid of white racism, white privilege and old Christianity, then all would be fantastic.

Chinese friend - in China - told me she meet a German girl. Girl is pro refugees. The Chinese girl said, she has a German friend - me - that see the migration critical. First reaction of the German girl was to say I'm for sure a Nazi.
With the Nürnberg Trials they did something really great. They never did this with Communism, even the Tokyo Trials had be a joke. Be a Nazi is the ultimate stigma. In Germany we call it "Nazikeule" - Nazi stick. Every different opinion will be just label as Nazi. Nazis had be evil so no need to talk with you or your arguments. We now see how this stuff don't work that well any longer. Called a Nazi these days is an expression for having common sense.

(12-26-2016 03:10 AM)Professor Fox Wrote:  

Its actually good news that its fake.
I thought for a minute that Germany went full crazy...

Sorry about your Christmas experience Meta. As for myself, I visited the UK from 2nd-8th December with the idea that I would give the obligatory visits then and that way I wouldn't have an angry family come Christmas.

I am fortunate in that my mother and younger sister voted Brexit so they are right-leaning, however I will say that my sister had to ask what to vote rather than already be informed. My older sister is far too complacent in her role as a mother of two to care about such things, and regardless of that she's extremely emotionally inclined so I can imagine her being an advocate for Germany's activities.

Next year do as I do, and go and see them before Christmas. Then you can have a real Christmas here with your girlfriends family and their (presumed) traditions. Traditions which are not considered offensive by any of the local populace, I might add.

I would be with mine, except we've only been dating a couple of months and as a result I'm in my apartment alone- something which is far less depressing than being in England.

It is any wonder that we choose to visit England once per year if we can get away with it? Even after 6 days; the television format, the accents, the mentality, the apparent complete disregard for intellectualism-all of it was too much for me and I couldn't wait to be back.