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RE: The rise of alt right female figures
(12-16-2016 06:35 PM)kaotic Wrote: I mean for fucks sake at "roman salutegate" Richard Spencer's guest of honor was Tila Tequila - laughable.
Tila Tequila was always a silly choice as a representative of the alt-right.
I enjoy having the "girls on the right are prettier than those on the left" conversation as much as any other, but Tila's a bimbo!
Somewhere a bunch of nerds must have been like "Real life anime girl Tila Tequila is on our side squeeeeee"
These girls are just skating to where the puck is--a good business decision, as thinkers before me have pointed out here.
I think the real reason to be careful of women in politics is because they toe the party line too well...they are more likely to want to blend in and tout the slogans of the popular consensus.
In the best case, you get high energy and adorable cheerleaders. In the worst case, you get things like Slutwalk, which the left is experiencing in full swing.
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RE: The rise of alt right female figures
(12-16-2016 06:51 PM)kaotic Wrote: (12-16-2016 06:44 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote: I say they are useful, because when a woman says the same thing as a man, the sexism charge doesn't stick. It makes it so much easier to to say the same things. Ultimately, these women should be finding a benevolent alpha to wife then up.
Sure, but we shouldn't be putting them on a pedestal - they'll never understand a man's plight.
The suggestion of statements being sexist laughable at this point because the truth is being spoken.
AWALT - always remember that.
The manosphere is what is is, for men only.
Sure women may post red pill videos, but there's always an underlying or subconscious reason they're saying those things.
If a woman talks about wanting kids and having a strong man lead her that's cool - but why does she want to broadcast it - instead of vetting men in her life ?
I think most women don't have the biological impulse to understand men's challenges. It simply wouldn't make sense from a reproductive standpoint. Women worrying about men? Why? They are naturally more concerned about themselves and their children.
I don't think there is a reason to pedestalize these women, but there's also no reason to smack someone who shares your same viewpoint. Regardless of individual motives of these women, more noise on the soundwaves that agree with our point of view is a good thing.
I don't see a conflict if a woman says she likes all these things about masculine men and beats up on feminists on youtube, then also goes out and lives what she preaches. We don't know for sure what these girls are doing in their private lives, but I'm open to giving them the benefit of the doubt. Remember, if you were a woman alive today, you'd have a hard time finding a true benevolent alpha male to marry. Thanks to Trump's win, I think it is will be easier for both genders to live up to traditional sex roles. The madness needs to swing back. I say cut the girls some slack unless they do deliberately provocative things like wearing revealing tops for more view/likes.
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(12-16-2016 07:13 PM)kaotic Wrote: I agree you can give them a voice, maybe ally with them, but keep them at a distance.
A feminine woman isn't threatened by letting men have male-only spaces. In fact, she sees them as a necessary retreat.
Quote:As far as gender relations, I don't think it's that quite easy at all, I think there's a TON of work to be done to deprogram the sexes from all the SJW group think we still see today.
Baby steps, my friend, baby steps. The left and the SJW's didn't turn this whole circus into a shit show overnight. We won't fix it overnight either. We just have to start moving the needle in the right direction.
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Quote:Give them the benefit of the doubt because they are helping out and supporting this movement against the left. Just don't buy too much stock in them.
Well, I think the greatest thought leaders will always overwhelmingly be men, given that it takes contarian thought to come up with new ideas, something women are programmed not to have. We know women have a strong preference towards popular biases. It is actually rather heartening to me to think that some women will actually speak out against feminists in the West when quite frankly, some of these chicks really know how mean and nasty the SJW blue hairs can be. It takes some level of guts to put your face out there and speak out. It isn't like the alt right and sweet feminine women are overrepresented in the current popular culture!
Quote:Just like you wouldn't put the head cheerleader as your football team's runningback, don't count on them as the intellectual leaders of this movement.
Agreed. Men lead, women follow. Still, women aren't completely devoid of courage on occasion. Joan of Arc being a prime example. Kelly Ann on Trump's team. Ann Coulter was beating up on SJW's long before many men had the balls to do it. While I do agree that vast majority of the noise should come from men, there is a certain subset of women that contribute very valuable weight to a larger cause.
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(12-16-2016 08:52 PM)nomadbrah Wrote: I find racism or any kind of hating in women offputting. It's usually a sign them being very damaged. Maybe a criminal father or violent father. I'm not saying I prefer the opposite liberal types, but there's something strange to me about a woman who doesn't have a soft spot.
That's a false equivalency. Intelligent women who have loyal qualities realize that not all tribes are created equal. Imagine you're a smart German young woman right now. There's nothing wrong with being biased (or dare I say racist!) against the hordes of violent Syrians and Africans pouring into the country. These men are very dangerous as individuals, and as a group. For the sake of her own safety, she is right to side with her natural tribe, the ethnic German people. In a culture, country and time when there is peace, women can naturally be more curious about "the other". But when SHTF, smart women align with the tribe that will protect them. Sometimes that manifests itself in tribalism, or racism, however you want to spin it. A genuine concern for protecting oneself and your own tribe is not necessarily hate of "the other" but rather love of self and one's own kindred. I would argue that some girls that are racists are really damaged, no doubt, but right now if you aren't at least partially racist and living in Europe, you are totally blind!
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IF they make good points, then they make good points. Nothing more, nothing less. Consider it the same if instead of saying women weren't funny or not, you simply laugh if they say something funny, but refuse to laugh if it's not.
I'm not sure they are infiltrators, or necessarily even attention whores persay, but nevertheless, I'm not going to turn down additional ammo to use against those on the left who hate me.
Yes, I've seen some pedestalization of some of the prominent female voices on the right - just as I've seen of minority conservatives who are hyped up even if they aren't as eloquent or effective as those terrible cis straight white males. That said, I do see the use of them - minorities and women - being utilized against our enemies.
Take for example Milo. Being a gay jew that fucks only black men, he has something to smear in the faces of his identity politics critics - which serves to weaken the strength of their nonsense to the neutrals and public who are simply observing. (He understand the importance of emotionally charged rhetoric when grabbing the spotlight/mic.)
That said, I don't think we need to bother giving them anymore credence or praise then they are warranted or have actually earned.
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(12-16-2016 02:16 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote: Not a single major "alt-right" female personality, to my knowledge, is married with children.
Unless and until that point, they should be regarded as attention-whores and treated as such - useful in certain contexts, but to be dismissed otherwise.
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RE: The rise of alt right female figures
This is an interesting topic for what it lays bare. Im a bit hungover so I hope I can get my point across here. Lauren Southern, Millie Weaver, et al. I would bang them all, eat their bootys and not pull out for sure, and therein lies the rub. All these starlets of the alt right are mere cheerleaders and straphangers, and if one really thinks about it and I mean really thinks about it objectively they are a shadowy reflection of the feminist left.
The red pill/alt right as an overarching philosophy doesn't apply to only one sex, or to both sexes in the same fashion. Put another way, there is, I think, a red pill for women too. Prevailing liberal orthodoxy is eschewing family life in their young fertile years in favor of go go gggiiiiirl power in search of "having it all" egalitarianism until the realization hits that it was all a sham. By then its a race against time to fulfill their biological imperatives. So if we extrapolate the alt right as well as red pill theory for a woman thusly: by their mid 20's they should be ready to be lead into family life by a strong man to make maximum use of their most active and fertile years.
I group the alt right and red pill together here because they both go against conventional or popular opinion. Memes, shitposting, calling out hypocrisy in the most brutal form are some of the hallmarks of the movement. So what pisses off feminists the most? When a woman casts off their beliefs. Spinster cat ladies, urban liberals, 20 something interns, and the Lena Dunhams of the world hate hate hate seeing a young attractive feminine woman absolutely content with managing a household and raising children. So what these little bitches should be doing instead of prancing around on Twitter and You Tube trying to appeal to conservatives by showing a bit of cleavage while wearing a Cabela's hat, is finding the young Roosh's, Molyneaux's, Adam's and having their children.
Looking at it that respect the real queen of the alt right would be someone like Kellyanne Conway.
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