Post: #51

(09-06-2016 11:39 PM)Balkan Wrote:  9. Tanning. This is controversial but if you're pasty white, tanning should boost you ~.25/10. My dad is basically albino and I become translucent every winter. The one quickest fix for attraction in my experience is getting a good tan. The side effect is tanning clears up my acne better than any topical ointment. I know this may be short-term gain for long-term pain, so be careful about how you tan especially on your face. I usually designate a month where I try to be outside shirtless for 1-2 hours every other day. During that time period I go from starring in twilight to getting asked if I have a meditterean grandparent.

I'm so pale, I've been called out about it (in reality very subbtly suggested) by Asian girls who usually worship paleness

Not a problem in Northern/Eastern Europe, but this thing about white skin worship in some countries doesn't mean albino white worship.

I tried to get a tan by doing about 1 hour in the sun a day for a while, but it never took, had to be replenished every day, which is not a bad way to spend an hour at noon.

Is there any way outside spray tan to enhance the effects of being in the sun?

Post: #52

@nomadbrah, it's controversial as hell but, we are in the unorthodox methods thread, so here goes:

Melanotan II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanotan_II) has worked for some people for years. I'm damn near dead pale naturally, I can develop a decent looking tan if I'm consistent with tanning nearly every single day for a little over a month, and then I have to keep it up or I lose it rapidly. On Melanotan II, after a few weeks I look Italian. I haven't used it for about a year now and have been tanning naturally, but I think I'm going to go back on really soon.

I lot of people that take it say they get insanely horny when they first take it, I didn't experience those side effects... Wish I did though.

Post: #53

(09-09-2016 12:27 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 08:36 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Linux - Can I ask how big you are?

What made you get all these changes?

I would love to try GH just for the fact it will give me more sleep. I am starting to form bags under my eyes and it is pissing me off.

What is the first thing girls compliment you when you meet them?

If you're going to get on growth hormone, expect to do it a long time and not in cycles. It takes a bit of time to see notices in a (physical sense) however you will notice better sleep, hair/nail growth immediately.

I got all these changes because I've spent my whole life chasing women, hitting clubs, and trying to get laid and I have a large enough sample size to tell you what works and what doesn't.

This PUA shit has very minimal effect guys. If you show up looking bigger than the next guy, have direct game, say exactly what you want, make no excuses for it ,you'll never be alone in this lifetime.

Especially after 30 years old when everyone around you is going downhill because the BMR train slows down and you're going uphill because you're taking care of yourself and hitting the gym every other day and these guys are sitting on their sofa, eating Doritos, and playing video games.

All this stuff I'm getting is very cheap in foreign countries.

And to answer your question on the first thing girls notice, in short sleeves it's my biceps and tattoos, in a suit/long sleeve, it's my shoulder/waist ratio.

But I don't consider myself huge. There are many guys out there who are bigger than me.

Linux - thanks again for this thread.

The highlighted part pretty much says it all.

Post: #54

Would you recommend taking steroids or other forms of testosterone (growth hormone etc.) for guys in their early 20s?

I'm not huge but not skinny either, physique is better than average.

Thinking of also getting tattoo sleeves, though not sure if this would be congruent with my overall look.

Post: #55

The pros and cons of steroids are a bit of a debate depending on who you ask. I think if someone is already at their physical peak and is plateauing hard (after approx 5 years of good weight training) it makes sense to do a cycle or two to push through to a higher level. Or if you're a personal trainer or athlete steroids can make a big professional difference to you. And in both of these scenarios the steroid taker is likely to do it correctly due to having the work ethic/experience required, so will minimise damage.

But for most amateurs they're just an expensive, potentially damaging, short-cut. How many days a week do you lift now? How long have you been lifting? Are your diet and rest on point? If you're just 'better than average' then spend 6 months eating right, training hard etc naturally and you'll see big gains. Theres no point in doing a cycle if you're not already committed to a serious training program - you'll just lose the gains over time afterwards when you regress to your normal lifestyle. And its debatable if you'll have the work ethic to stick to the cycle and PCT properly, so you may end up doing yourself longterm damage.

Tattoo sleeves look great on a 20something in great shape. But how do you think they'll look on a 50 year old at the beach with his family? Its worth considering.

Post: #56

(12-11-2016 02:54 PM)Silva Wrote:  Would you recommend taking steroids or other forms of testosterone (growth hormone etc.) for guys in their early 20s?

I'm not huge but not skinny either, physique is better than average.

Thinking of also getting tattoo sleeves, though not sure if this would be congruent with my overall look.

Wait until you're at least 25 before making the decision. This has to do with growth plate fusion. Then you can decide to go on TRT permanently or stay off until you actually need it.

Its your decision. I don't buy the whole train 5 years natural first argument that floats around on all the bodybuilding boards. You're not trying to be a professional bodybuilder. And testosterone is not expensive, you're looking at 6 bucks a week, that's a cup of coffee or a pack of smokes.

I don't recommend cycles for test . Either stay on or stay off. The human body isn't meant to go on a roller coaster ride with hormones.

Would I do TRT if I was 25 -- yes.
Can you have bad side effects with TRT -- yes.

As for the tats, if you want them, get them. Who cares what you look like when you're 50. If you're still trying to please others when your 50, you've probably wasted your whole life in my opinion.

Post: #57

(09-05-2016 12:03 AM)LINUX Wrote:  11. Growth Hormone: $75 for 15iu/5G pharm grade, better sleep, better skin, better hair growth, faster recovery time with injuries, overall feeling young and healthy again. Great investments for guys 30 and older.

LINUX your help with test has been invaluable. I'm now also looking at HGH.

Are you still on HGH? Where do you source it, what are some good resources for figuring the dosage? When did you decide to start HGH and how did you know that was the right time?

Post: #58

^I thought you came off because you had too many sides?

Post: #59

1. Braces. Cost me about $4.5k, they're not even off yet and my teeth already look much, much better. I'm 34 and I didn't realize how big of an effect they had on me, but at least I can still pass for 24 when I'm fit, so it's all good. Looking forward to them coming off in a few months, but it's completely worth it.

2. Lasik. Cost me about 4.3k, took about 15 minutes, and it's changed my life. I'm more productive and more confident now. I should also have done this earlier, but then again the procedure wasn't always as advanced/safe as it is now.

3. Income-producing land. Owning income-producing land increases your physical attractiveness, because it makes you a more confident man, especially while in it, so it's a great thing to invest in. Bringing a girl to your home or to your property is different than bringing her to a place you're renting. There's a reason for the saying, "he acts like he owns the place," and being that man is attractive.

Post: #60

(12-13-2016 09:46 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  1. Braces. Cost me about $4.5k, they're not even off yet and my teeth already look much, much better. I'm 34 and I didn't realize how big of an effect they had on me, but at least I can still pass for 24 when I'm fit, so it's all good. Looking forward to them coming off in a few months, but it's completely worth it.

2. Lasik. Cost me about 4.3k, took about 15 minutes, and it's changed my life. I'm more productive and more confident now. I should also have done this earlier, but then again the procedure wasn't always as advanced/safe as it is now.

3. Income-producing land. Owning income-producing land increases your physical attractiveness, because it makes you a more confident man, especially while in it, so it's a great thing to invest in. Bringing a girl to your home or to your property is different than bringing her to a place you're renting. There's a reason for the saying, "he acts like he owns the place," and being that man is attractive.

Can you elaborate on 3? Not sure if this thread is the best place to do it but would be interested to hear about it.

Post: #61

(12-13-2016 08:50 PM)storm Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 12:03 AM)LINUX Wrote:  11. Growth Hormone: $75 for 15iu/5G pharm grade, better sleep, better skin, better hair growth, faster recovery time with injuries, overall feeling young and healthy again. Great investments for guys 30 and older.

LINUX your help with test has been invaluable. I'm now also looking at HGH.

Are you still on HGH? Where do you source it, what are some good resources for figuring the dosage? When did you decide to start HGH and how did you know that was the right time?

I'm not on HGH at the moment. Reason is because I left Colombia in August and couldn't take it with me, and before I bought some in the states, I ended up returning to Colombia the following month. Once I get settled again long term I will start it up again.

I buy mine from a pharmacy in Colombia, I throw the guy a few extra dollars and get's it here in about 10 days. Most guys in the states get theirs from a few forums out there, where the sponsors pay to list. Sometimes you get good shit, sometimes you get bad shit, sometimes it never makes it through customs. Doing 10 iu of growth and a gh serum test 30 min later will tell you what you have. Should cost about 40 bucks for the test with privatemdlabs and you drive over to labcorp or quest labs to get it done. GH from china will run you 150 a box more or less which is 100iu. It's cheap because we are talking about underground stuff, we are not talking about pharm grade even though it's marketed as such..

Good dosage for longevity purposes is 2iu a day, every day.

Most guys on a bodybuilding split do a 3/3/4 split, so 3iu monday, 3iu tuesday, 4iu wednesday.3iu thursday, 3iu Friday, 4iu Saturday. Reasoning behind this is because gh is usually 10iu per vial, so it just prevents leaving 1iu in the vial and having to pop open another vial.

You should be monitoring PSA levels while on gh, just to be safe. If you go with a domestic gh source to avoid customs, expect to pay double.They can be hard to find but they are out there.

Post: #62

(12-13-2016 11:10 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:46 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  3. Income-producing land. Owning income-producing land increases your physical attractiveness, because it makes you a more confident man, especially while in it, so it's a great thing to invest in. Bringing a girl to your home or to your property is different than bringing her to a place you're renting. There's a reason for the saying, "he acts like he owns the place," and being that man is attractive.

Can you elaborate on 3? Not sure if this thread is the best place to do it but would be interested to hear about it.

It's just been my experience, the difference I see in myself from before I owned land and after I owned land is substantial. I can only imagine how Trump must feel.

Since attractiveness for a guy is much more than physical, I do see how this is definitely applicable, but the OP's intent was probably to keep the topics to strictly physical things, so I'll stop there and not derail the thread.

Post: #63

(12-13-2016 11:50 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  It's just been my experience, the difference I see in myself from before I owned land and after I owned land is substantial. I can only imagine how Trump must feel.

Since attractiveness for a guy is much more than physical, I do see how this is definitely applicable, but the OP's intent was probably to keep the topics to strictly physical things, so I'll stop there and not derail the thread.

Could you drop a datasheet on that? I'm looking to invest - don't have that much capital but I do want to get started somewhere.

For my part, I've had PRK (cousin of LASIK) and the difference in IOIs and glances has been remarkable. Where I used to feel invisible, I feel as though girls notice me for the first time.

Post: #64

augen sehen,

Why do you feel like you get more women looking at you after having lasik/prk? Is it the lack of glasses, or do you mean you now notice it now whereas you couldn't see it before?

Post: #65

It's the lack of glasses, in my opinion. Where I used to be seen as nerdy, I'm now seen as normal/cool.

My timeline: Started lifting, got PRK after 3 years of lifting (no bodybuilder but I'm comfortable with my body). Immediate difference in caliber of girls that are attracted. Even though I started balding at the same time.

Post: #66

Thought I'd throw this one out as I've received a lot of compliments lately.

For us cats with light eye colours.

Eye Brightening drops.

I used to have bloodshot eyes frequently due to allergies / tired looking eyes that did not appear healthy.

Since applying these two my eye colour (light blue) stands out a considerable amount more (coupled with tanning) and the whites are a-lot brighter.





Price : around £5 ($6) depending on where you purchase it from.

Post: #67

(12-15-2016 05:30 AM)augen sehen Wrote:  It's the lack of glasses, in my opinion. Where I used to be seen as nerdy, I'm now seen as normal/cool.

My timeline: Started lifting, got PRK after 3 years of lifting (no bodybuilder but I'm comfortable with my body). Immediate difference in caliber of girls that are attracted. Even though I started balding at the same time.

Yea man, I wear lenses but I think I look cool with glasses sometimes but the difference is definitely noticeable in terms of eye traffic (probably because I look like just another Asian nerd with the glasses)

Edit: I posted this before elsewhere but will post in this thread again:

Grooming your eyebrows

Quote:Time investment: 5-10 minutes/day
Money investment: $6 (maybe $10 if you don't have tweezers)

I tweeze my eyebrows daily mainly because if I don't, I develop a unibrow and have the hairs growing down all the way to my eyes:

(Top is before tweezing). Also, sorry the pic looks kind of weird haha.



If you don't want to sit there all day tweezing every individual hair, do what I did and get your eyebrows "threaded." In NYC, these places are all over the place. It takes all of 5 minutes and costs about $6:



An alternative (if you have cash and want a really professional job), is to ask any girl you know with really nice eyebrows where she gets them done.

After threading, you just have to use a tweezer every day or so (depending on how fast your eyebrow hairs grow) to tweeze any stray hairs that grow in and maintain the shape. This is what I have been doing for the past year+ and it takes me 5-10 minutes when I wake up.

Up to you whether or not you think it's "gay," but I get complemented on my eyebrows regularly - maybe moreso where I'm living (Korea), where defined eyebrows seem to be desirable.

I'd say my eyebrows look even better than that now because I went to some gay barber (unintentional) in Bangkok who went to work on them with a straight razor and I just maintain the shape

Post: #68

I've been thinking about taking steroids or other drugs to become jacked, because it seems like a low investment / high return kind of deal. However, I read some conflicting opinions in this thread.

I don't mind lifting once or twice a week, but more then that is beyond what I enjoy. I do practice a lot of other physical skills, which I enjoy more and are more useful. Taking steroids and training hard for a little bit to get some "free" gains sounded appealing if it's less time spent in the gym and my body can take it (minimal side effects)

Post: #69

(12-15-2016 12:13 PM)asdfk Wrote:  I don't mind lifting once or twice a week, but more then that is beyond what I enjoy.

Check out HIT

http://baye.com/what-is-high-intensity-training/

Post: #70

(09-06-2016 11:39 PM)Balkan Wrote:  I have a very clean cut look and I know that lands me more often that not in the boyfriend category, but I've always been curious what would happen if I dived off the other end (tattoos, piercings, dyed hair, leather jackets etc.).

you are describing me. I recently started growing a beard. my facial hair grows slow so there is not much to report, but yeah I am landing in a different category just from the beard (no tatts, piecings, or wardrobe change.) chick at supercuts said, "i bet you ride motorcycles." think i'll keep the beard.

Post: #71

(12-15-2016 12:13 PM)asdfk Wrote:  I've been thinking about taking steroids or other drugs to become jacked, because it seems like a low investment / high return kind of deal. However, I read some conflicting opinions in this thread.

I don't mind lifting once or twice a week, but more then that is beyond what I enjoy. I do practice a lot of other physical skills, which I enjoy more and are more useful. Taking steroids and training hard for a little bit to get some "free" gains sounded appealing if it's less time spent in the gym and my body can take it (minimal side effects)

There are no free gains. If you're not willing to hit the gym more than twice a week then test is pointless for you.

If test was a magic formula for muscle then hundreds of thousands men in their 50s watching NASCAR and asking their doctor about androgel, would be jacked. You have to put in the effort to get the results.

Post: #72

Nice thread OP, it's been great to read through these shared tips.

(09-05-2016 12:03 AM)LINUX Wrote:  10. Vasectomy: $800: In and out in 15 minutes, I was fucking two days later with no pain. If it wasn't for this, I might have 50 kids running around. No more spending every month waiting on someone to have their period. If I want a child one day, I got 55% chance of reversal, but I'm perfectly happy with my freedom.

I must say my thoughts on this comment ^ firstly it doesn't have anything related to increasing attractiveness or aesthetics. Secondly, it's great that you can justify your vasectomy, more power to you... But having offspring is one of the most important decisions a man will make in his life, and a 55% reversal rate sounds like a ridiculously high risk gamble. I don't want kids right now either, but humans want different things at different stages of our lives. Even a 1% chance of non-reversal is much too high to ever consider getting such a surgery.

Post: #73

(12-15-2016 02:16 PM)Jungle Wrote:  Nice thread OP, it's been great to read through these shared tips.

(09-05-2016 12:03 AM)LINUX Wrote:  10. Vasectomy: $800: In and out in 15 minutes, I was fucking two days later with no pain. If it wasn't for this, I might have 50 kids running around. No more spending every month waiting on someone to have their period. If I want a child one day, I got 55% chance of reversal, but I'm perfectly happy with my freedom.

I must say my thoughts on this comment ^ firstly it doesn't have anything related to increasing attractiveness or aesthetics. Secondly, it's great that you can justify your vasectomy, more power to you... But having offspring is one of the most important decisions a man will make in his life, and a 55% reversal rate sounds like a ridiculously high risk gamble. I don't want kids right now either, but humans want different things at different stages of our lives. Even a 1% chance of non-reversal is much too high to ever consider getting such a surgery.

You can freeze your sperm in cold storage. Think it's a couple thousand up front plus $500 a year going forward. High costs for artificial insemination too if you want to impregnate a woman, but at that point you have the benefit of time/thought to take action. Also, much cheaper than 18 years of child support in an accidental pregnancy scenario. I'm seriously leaning towards this course of action.

Post: #74

(12-15-2016 02:16 PM)Jungle Wrote:  Nice thread OP, it's been great to read through these shared tips.

(09-05-2016 12:03 AM)LINUX Wrote:  10. Vasectomy: $800: In and out in 15 minutes, I was fucking two days later with no pain. If it wasn't for this, I might have 50 kids running around. No more spending every month waiting on someone to have their period. If I want a child one day, I got 55% chance of reversal, but I'm perfectly happy with my freedom.

I must say my thoughts on this comment ^ firstly it doesn't have anything related to increasing attractiveness or aesthetics. Secondly, it's great that you can justify your vasectomy, more power to you... But having offspring is one of the most important decisions a man will make in his life, and a 55% reversal rate sounds like a ridiculously high risk gamble. I don't want kids right now either, but humans want different things at different stages of our lives. Even a 1% chance of non-reversal is much too high to ever consider getting such a surgery.

Please don't roll up into a thread I started a three months ago and lecture me on 100% of the context matching the thread title.

If you don't want a vacetomy then don't get one. It doesn't matter to me. The purpose of the thread was tell people the things I've done and listen to them tell me things they've done. That's why I started the thread. It's not to talk anyone into anything.

Post: #75

(12-15-2016 02:50 PM)booshala Wrote:  You can freeze your sperm in cold storage. Think it's a couple thousand up front plus $500 a year going forward. High costs for artificial insemination too if you want to impregnate a woman, but at that point you have the benefit of time/thought to take action. Also, much cheaper than 18 years of child support in an accidental pregnancy scenario. I'm seriously leaning towards this course of action.

I like that way of thinking, great idea and yes much much cheaper than 18 years of child support