Post: #301

(12-08-2016 10:40 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:22 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Shorter answer:

This forum is supposed to be a place for men who are committed to self-improvement.

Part of that means learning to recognize cognitive dissonance not just in others, but also ourselves, and to address it and be better for it.

Who made you the leader of the forum who knows what it is "supposed" to be?

I figured after posting that sounded too much like I was speaking for the forum, rather than expressing my opinion on what I use it for, and didn't want to derail the thread. But it was too late to edit it to reflect that. Sure enough, got called out for it :-)

Post: #302

(12-08-2016 11:18 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The biggest error I see here is that way too many people are focusing their attention and debates on this one pizzeria place in Washington.

...

Pizzagate is not about 1 pizzeria in Washington. It's about an entire network of presumed child abduction & abuse going on in various places for many, many years now.

The mainstream media want us to focus our debate on this one little place, but we need to broaden our horizons and look for more clues and evidence that unmask the whole big, ugly, terrifying picture.

I agree with you.

It is fine to discuss it in the esoteric. However, in this instance, people are accusing the specific businesses, are calling them and harassing them and walking in with guns.

I know people who have worked there all hours of the day and night, closing bar, etc. I trust them and believe them when they attest that there are no hidden dungeons or tunnels ferrying kids to a life of sexual servitude. It's a pizzeria that hosts punk bands.

However, yes, leaked emails should be investigated, and in some cases, may provide clues to illegal activity.

Now, that said, I am skeptical that this particular case is tied to pedophilia -- though I have been surprised in the past (I never would have thought Dennis Hastert was involved in it, and he was).

I think in recent years the media has been over-estimating the scope of sex trafficking rings, and it will be found to be akin to the 80s Satanism ritualistic murder scare -- overblown to the degree the acts were actually being committed.

The issues is that they HAVE made this local. People are posting addresses, they are harassing employees on Instagram.

That is what makes this different from arguing something like "Most leaders are lizard people."

Post: #303

(12-08-2016 12:17 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:18 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The biggest error I see here is that way too many people are focusing their attention and debates on this one pizzeria place in Washington.

...

Pizzagate is not about 1 pizzeria in Washington. It's about an entire network of presumed child abduction & abuse going on in various places for many, many years now.

The mainstream media want us to focus our debate on this one little place, but we need to broaden our horizons and look for more clues and evidence that unmask the whole big, ugly, terrifying picture.

I agree with you.

It is fine to discuss it in the esoteric. However, in this instance, people are accusing the specific businesses, are calling them and harassing them and walking in with guns.

I know people who have worked there all hours of the day and night, closing bar, etc. I trust them and believe them when they attest that there are no hidden dungeons or tunnels ferrying kids to a life of sexual servitude. It's a pizzeria that hosts punk bands.

And again, that's great that the minimum wage employees up front haven't seen anything. That doesn't mean it's just a crappy pizzeria. I doubt the waiters at a mob-owned italian restaurant know anything either.

Post: #304

This story has hit insane levels of attention thanks to the old media. Elementary school children are hearing about it on school news channels. It has gone nuclear.

Post: #305

(12-05-2016 09:55 AM)trian1 Wrote:  There is no pedophilia ring being run out of the place. Roosh is not an advocate for legalizing rape. These are simple truths that require proof to convince me otherwise.

Quote:There is no pedophilia ring being operated out of a mythical basement of Comet Pizza, and absolutely no one has presented a single piece of evidence to prove otherwise. Hard Stop.

Quote:Pedophilia rings being run out of Comet Pizza. A pervasive rape culture in the West. Bigfoot. These are all things that there is no credible evidence for. Well, maybe Bigfoot... :-)

Your continued attempts to create the strawman argument that pedophilic sex is occurring directly within Comet's Pizza are obvious and idiotic.

From the very first post of this thread it was about demonstrating that the owner not the premises itself is likely to be involved in pedophilia.

Quote:I know people who have worked there all hours of the day and night, closing bar, etc. I trust them and believe them when they attest that there are no hidden dungeons or tunnels ferrying kids to a life of sexual servitude. It's a pizzeria that hosts punk bands.

You're clearly too personally involved seeing as you trust the staff working there to be able to see that the owner may in fact be a pedophile.

You should remove yourself from this discussion since you clearly can't be rational about it.

Post: #306

UNDERGROUND PASSAGES DISCOVERED 800 FT AWAY FROM COMET!

JUST UPLOADED:

Post: #307

(12-08-2016 12:17 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:18 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The biggest error I see here is that way too many people are focusing their attention and debates on this one pizzeria place in Washington.

...

Pizzagate is not about 1 pizzeria in Washington. It's about an entire network of presumed child abduction & abuse going on in various places for many, many years now.

The mainstream media want us to focus our debate on this one little place, but we need to broaden our horizons and look for more clues and evidence that unmask the whole big, ugly, terrifying picture.

I agree with you.

It is fine to discuss it in the esoteric. However, in this instance, people are accusing the specific businesses, are calling them and harassing them and walking in with guns.

I know people who have worked there all hours of the day and night, closing bar, etc. I trust them and believe them when they attest that there are no hidden dungeons or tunnels ferrying kids to a life of sexual servitude. It's a pizzeria that hosts punk bands.

However, yes, leaked emails should be investigated, and in some cases, may provide clues to illegal activity.

Now, that said, I am skeptical that this particular case is tied to pedophilia -- though I have been surprised in the past (I never would have thought Dennis Hastert was involved in it, and he was).

I think in recent years the media has been over-estimating the scope of sex trafficking rings, and it will be found to be akin to the 80s Satanism ritualistic murder scare -- overblown to the degree the acts were actually being committed.

The issues is that they HAVE made this local. People are posting addresses, they are harassing employees on Instagram.

That is what makes this different from arguing something like "Most leaders are lizard people."

What's the real deal here? Is the bad press somehow affecting your life directly?

I haven't followed up on it yet, but there is speculation that the man "walking in with guns" is an actor. That's not to say an actor can't also be a criminal, but acting is what they do for a living. How do we know they weren't using blanks?

Secondly, unless you are directly involved in these rings (as a good guy or bad guy) you have no idea whether it's being over-estimated or not. To say you think it's being exaggerated by the media puts your speculation in a bad spot. You either know more about these operations than the average citizen, or you risk being perceived as intentionally misleading. Or you're involved in law enforcement and cannot say how you know this info.

Next, why are your friends (or friends of friends) still employed here? Is the economy so bad in DC there's no other service industry jobs available? I can say that if my company was even being looked at for massive fraud, I'd be looking for a new job ASAP. These innocent workers, as you describe, are being harassed. Why don't they just quit? Why are they so loyal and willing to talk to you about this and defend it?

If I owned this business and my revenue and employees were being affected, I'd have every major news outlet with cameras invited to come check out the whole landscape and show how crazy these allegations were. Come on in, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

Every other big media project is dead set on doing exactly what you are doing here (mentioned above in another post)- kill the discussion.

No one is calling for vigilante justice or violence. People are looking for answers and trying to determine if the dots connect- because no one else will.

There are lots of people observing with skeptic minds that this may or may not be true. I am one of them.

Your stance has been made clear, repeatedly. Thank you for giving your testimony from ground zero.

Post: #308

(12-08-2016 12:52 PM)Valentine Wrote:  You're clearly too personally involved seeing as you trust the staff working there to be able to see that the owner may in fact be a pedophile.

You should remove yourself from this discussion since you clearly can't be rational about it.

I trust the descriptions of the former bartenders, yes. I know no one who works there now.

It was never about the owner - from the original /r/pizzagate post (Emphasis, mine):

Quote:While initially not the central focus of the investigation at the onset, Comet Ping Pong is a much more overt and much more disturbing hub of coincidences. Everyone associated with the business is making semi-overt, semi-tongue-in-cheek, and semi-sarcastic inferences towards sex with minors. The artists that work for and with the business also generate nothing but cultish imagery of disembodiment, blood, beheadings, sex, and of course pizza.

It only became about the owner after everything the conspiracy was based on was proven false. It had to become about something unprovable.

But, yes, I am done (because I am rational about it).

The way I see it, as a natural skeptic who listens to stories about coverups, is that you have to be judicious about which ones to pursue, and abandon the ones that are not viable (I think Hillary's health was not covered in the media during the election, when it should have been). I don't think this one is viable. If anything, I think this issue is doing more to distract from the real things that can possibly be found in the Podesta emails.

But go ahead, theorize away. I have stated my point.

Post: #309

(12-08-2016 01:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  UNDERGROUND PASSAGES DISCOVERED 800 FT AWAY FROM COMET!

JUST UPLOADED:

I wonder how many people in federal agencies like FBI are just waiting for Trump to take office to go after these people.

The knew this was happening but with Obama or any other puppet in the White House there were never changes of bringing this t light, but then Trump comes along and is rocking the political system.

I wonder is this was part of the motivation for the FBI to make sure Trump wins.

Post: #310

Remember, the bloggers who unearthed the Rotherham rape scandal where thousands of British CHILDREN were raped, were called:

UNHINGED

FAR-RIGHT

CONSPIRACY THEORISTS

And there was a coordinated MAINSTREAM MEDIA cover up until the EVIDENCE BECAME OVERWHELMING.

Trian1 do you deny the existence of British pedophile rings? Because with Jimmy Saville, they were proven.

What makes you think it's impossible here? These pizza establishments and their owners celebrate the pedophile symbolism, disturbing artwork and photos of children, yet, YOU KNOW THE 8 DOLLAR AN HOUR BARTENDER SO EVERYONE JUST STOP DIGGING?

Are you that stupid or what.

Post: #311

(12-08-2016 03:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Just so people understand, this is 100% pedophile:



A pedophilla case from 2013: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3794616.htm



Notice the faggot on the left holding a little chick? That's a chicken lover. Both men are doing hard time now.

Those photos make me physically sick. Even if was just a weird joke, these men should never be allowed around kids again. Its the very least we can do, because anyone who would knowingly put on pedophilia symbols, while holding a very young boy, and be OK with being tagged in a public picture acknowledging that he does indeed love little boys sexually, should NEVER BE ALLOWED AROUND KIDS!!

This is what is killing me. Arguments of evidence aside, these grown men should not need to be caught wiping up their bloody semen off a crying kid in order to have steps taken to remove their ability to bring this situation to any children ever again.

Not much can be done about parents who pimp out their own kids but there can certainly be enough done to make sure that these men are never in the situation to even joke around about this kind of thing again.

Post: #312

(12-08-2016 01:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  UNDERGROUND PASSAGES DISCOVERED 800 FT AWAY FROM COMET!

JUST UPLOADED:

Around the 1:47 mark where a couple of boys jogging or following the guy, just realized something even though it could be unrelated.

In the past, the Comet pizza place offered an after school art program like this one:
http://web.archive.org/web/2016011416055...ping-pong/

Quote:...
The two-hour weekly classes of the winter session begin February 6 and will run through April 9 (except for the two Monday DCPS holidays), taking place in the back room at Comet Ping Pong...
...

Interesting. There is a back room...? Isn't anyone's spidey sense going off? And what's the actual building layout looks like?

Post: #313

Seriously, I welcome Trian back just to explain this one picture.



Just explain why the guy would use the #chickenlovers hashtag and why his profile pic would be a bust of a historic participant in pederasty.

Kindly give us just a reasonably plausible explanation. What do you, the wise Trian, make of it?

Post: #314

(12-08-2016 04:36 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 03:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Just so people understand, this is 100% pedophile:



A pedophilla case from 2013: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3794616.htm



Notice the faggot on the left holding a little chick? That's a chicken lover. Both men are doing hard time now.

Those photos make me physically sick. Even if was just a weird joke, these men should never be allowed around kids again. Its the very least we can do, because anyone who would knowingly put on pedophilia symbols, while holding a very young boy, and be OK with being tagged in a public picture acknowledging that he does indeed love little boys sexually, should NEVER BE ALLOWED AROUND KIDS!!

This is what is killing me. Arguments of evidence aside, these grown men should not need to be caught wiping up their bloody semen off a crying kid in order to have steps taken to remove their ability to bring this situation to any children ever again.

Not much can be done about parents who pimp out their own kids but there can certainly be enough done to make sure that these men are never in the situation to even joke around about this kind of thing again.

Right, which is why gays should not be allowed to adopt, teach children, or work in pediatrics in any capacity.

Post: #315

I think the DNC has called on all available resources to push the fake news narrative. They know that if the DNC can be permanently associated with pedos it is game over for them.

Post: #316

I hope this goes the whole nine yards and we see pedophiles hanging from lamp posts.

Post: #317

http://tvtonight.com.au/2016/12/ten-takes-a-stand-against-fake-news.html

"Local Australian old-media company screams at the future."

Quote:“We have a duty in our news and current affairs programming to shine a light on the words and actions of our public figures and ensure that our community gets to hear and see the truth. Only armed with the truth can we all make informed decisions as to how we wish to exercise our most important choice of all: our democratic right to vote.

Quote:“There have been times in world history when lies and propaganda have cast a shadow over the truth, and where good and decent citizens have been deluded into believing those lies and supporting regimes that then committed terrible acts of violence and evil, often against minorities or the disadvantaged.

Quote:“As a modern, peace-loving society, we respect the human rights of all members of our community, we look after those less fortunate than ourselves, and we reject violence and oppression. And we have a right to expect to be told the truth, or if not that offenders will be held to the truth.

Quote:“I believe that reputable media organisations such as ours have a fundamental duty to help deliver that outcome for our community.

“The news and current affairs teams at TEN, and at other reputable media businesses throughout Australia, are professionals who work to an ethical standard that is founded on investigating and uncovering lies and deception.

Quote:“We are there to hold our public figures to account and to provide context and clarity where there may be obfuscation, subjective omission or attempts to divert attention from the true issue (such as with an outrageous tweet), so that our community can form views and make decisions on an informed basis.

“The work is neither simple nor obvious and relies on the professional skill and judgement of the journalist. We are not perfect, and occasionally we might err, but where we do we are held accountable by the regulator.

Post: #318

I want to know who this Trian1 dude knows on the forum. If there are people who hang out with this shill I'd like to know....you know it's kinda like meeting friends of a friend to ensure you're not facing a liability.

Not to mention, why would T1 go out of his way to defend again and again these folks? Doesn't at up. If it were me, I'd just stay quiet and let it play out especially if the odds are not in my favor.

Also, out of 350 posts not one has been made in a game relate thread. Strange coincidence? Hmm....you decide.

Post: #319

(12-09-2016 02:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  http://tvtonight.com.au/2016/12/ten-takes-a-stand-against-fake-news.html

"Local Australian old-media company screams at the future."

Quote:“We have a duty in our news and current affairs programming to shine a light on the words and actions of our public figures and ensure that our community gets to hear and see the truth. Only armed with the truth can we all make informed decisions as to how we wish to exercise our most important choice of all: our democratic right to vote.

Quote:“There have been times in world history when lies and propaganda have cast a shadow over the truth, and where good and decent citizens have been deluded into believing those lies and supporting regimes that then committed terrible acts of violence and evil, often against minorities or the disadvantaged.

Quote:“As a modern, peace-loving society, we respect the human rights of all members of our community, we look after those less fortunate than ourselves, and we reject violence and oppression. And we have a right to expect to be told the truth, or if not that offenders will be held to the truth.

Quote:“I believe that reputable media organisations such as ours have a fundamental duty to help deliver that outcome for our community.

“The news and current affairs teams at TEN, and at other reputable media businesses throughout Australia, are professionals who work to an ethical standard that is founded on investigating and uncovering lies and deception.

Quote:“We are there to hold our public figures to account and to provide context and clarity where there may be obfuscation, subjective omission or attempts to divert attention from the true issue (such as with an outrageous tweet), so that our community can form views and make decisions on an informed basis.

“The work is neither simple nor obvious and relies on the professional skill and judgement of the journalist. We are not perfect, and occasionally we might err, but where we do we are held accountable by the regulator.

Can't be bothered clicking the link, but that sounds like George Soros with his hand up Waleed Aly's arse again.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #320

I post strikethrough links when it's to old-media sites to warn people away from clicking on them unless absolutely necessary.

Post: #321

Trump hater and "comedian" Stephen Colbert spent an entire 10 minutes of his show talking about pizzagate.
That's an awful lot of prime time television to dedicate to something "fake".










On a side note, I notice he has an effeminate style voice (fast and often crackling in high pitched tones) and gay like movements and mannerisms.

Post: #322

The way this fake news info was spread worldwide had exactly the same modus operandi of the Roosh meeting news. With one big difference. Roosh was attacked by the MSM. With Pizzagate they are defending them.

There´s dirt. The only question is the level of it.

Post: #323

(12-09-2016 03:08 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I want to know who this Trian1 dude knows on the forum. If there are people who hang out with this shill I'd like to know....you know it's kinda like meeting friends of a friend to ensure you're not facing a liability.

Not to mention, why would T1 go out of his way to defend again and again these folks? Doesn't at up. If it were me, I'd just stay quiet and let it play out especially if the odds are not in my favor.

Also, out of 350 posts not one has been made in a game relate thread. Strange coincidence? Hmm....you decide.

Look at my reps. I have hit the DC streets a couple of times with Gmac and Roosh. I don't "investigate" other posters posts to make sure they have a proper ratio of game-to-non-game posts. I am totally a liberal shill.

Post: #324

"Leave the fake news to the professionals"

Post: #325

(12-09-2016 03:08 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I want to know who this Trian1 dude knows on the forum. If there are people who hang out with this shill I'd like to know....you know it's kinda like meeting friends of a friend to ensure you're not facing a liability.

Not to mention, why would T1 go out of his way to defend again and again these folks? Doesn't at up. If it were me, I'd just stay quiet and let it play out especially if the odds are not in my favor.

Also, out of 350 posts not one has been made in a game relate thread. Strange coincidence? Hmm....you decide.

Stop picking fights CR, you've got enough of your own behind the scenes drama to fill up a 100 page thread.

Trian is no a shill and I absolutely vouch for him, even if we don't 100% agree on everything being discussed here.

Anyway, I had decided not to post on this topic anymore because of how controversial it has gotten between our own folks. I'll just say that I think it's unlikely there are pedo tunnels under CPP being used to traffick children but I do think it has likely been a regular hangout for those types of people. And no doubt Jimmy Comet, Alefantis, and those others with the weird IG profiles are sick freaks bare minimum, and highly likely are actual pedos. Too much of the evidence is circumstantial with regards to the establishment itself but I have no doubt that child trafficking is going on right under our noses in DC and throughout the US (news reports of other pedo rings being busted just over the past few months), I just can't rule out the possibility that it might be some place other than CPP. Objectively, without more concrete evidence I think it's unfair to continue punishing a business that as far as we know isn't under investigation.