Post: #751

(11-28-2016 12:51 PM)Laner Wrote:  If guys who are wanting to find wives in China should also take into account that they are going to have to visit this place, probably once a year at new years.

I look at China from a business perspective, and with saying that, I could not stand the north of China, even Shanghai. As much fun as it was, after 2010 I just could not put myself into a scenario where I would have to spend 3-4 months a year there. So having family be from a place that makes you cringe should be important.

I focused more on the south, with its better weather and close proximity to Hong Kong. I had family in Shenzhen and Guangzhou so thats where I focused, and it turns out I actually really do enjoy SZ a lot.

Out of the south, SZ is a larger step above the others. I will put Xiamen in there as well. The women here are more Taiwanese looking, and I met some very cute and shy girls in Quanzhou. A Canadian I know owns a Craft Beer Bar (Hahaha!) there, and the girls he introduced me to were giving out the 'I love you' vibe that only good girls and hookers know how to do.

Taiwanese girls from outside of Taipei are actually very plain looking. They dont seem to care much about make up, and just rely on a clean fresh look. Its easy to overlook them, but I have a great track record of choosing a girls potential and turning her from a 7 to a 8.5. So Taiwan is a good spot, its just that girls in Taipei are going to know their value and your competition is from solid Taiwanese players who have $$, looks, height, style and game.

For three years I have been seeing a girl from Hunan whenever I go to SZ. For me, she is fairly upper tier. She is not typical Hunan looks, and is not considered beautiful in China. In her own words, if she was beautiful to rich men, she would already be rich. My #2 in China is a girl from Sichuan. More cute, very family orientated as well, but much more fun with a larger personality.

I dont mind sharing some pics of these girls and their friends over PM, I do want to keep this thread out of the 'hot or not' zone. I just find guys are so different in looks.

For example the hottest Asian women I have ever fucked, anywhere, was Mongolian. Tall, tiny waist, round hips, protruding uterus, big tits and a face that was all cheekbone. Others thought she was a farmer fit for a plow and a horse. I couldn't believe it.

Bolded for truth.

My own wife did not wear makeup on our wedding day. Some people cannot believe it when I show them the photos. They don't really believe in women under 27/28 needing that where she is from. Most of the girls in her hometown have no makeup on. They actually don't need it. So when you see a 6 or 7 with no makeup, you have to be able to extrapolate, because even a girl in the US, jogging with a baseball cap, shades, and sweatpants might be an 8 underneath all that gear if you refuse to pay attention to the details.

Your last story is spot on too. Dudes like what makes the dick hard as fuck. I got fetishes out the wazoo just like some of the other perverts slinking around the forum, that keep it low key. I don't need Victoria's Secret or Sports Illustrated to tell me what is hot or not. I can see their models, give a head nod, recognize their beauty and still get what I want too. If (just some random example) I want a cute, small, and skinny chick to wear white socks in my presence, fuck it! That's what I want and she better do it. Some model bitch would tell me that's ugly or to fuck off. That bitch can take a hike. When it comes to women, I get what I want. The willing will always rank higher than the have-it-alls.

Travesty still has room to get what he likes without having to kiss mainstream media's beauty's collective asses, and find a good wife in the process, that can satisfy him in all areas. He just needs to relax and stop thinking so hard. If he actually wants a Victoria Secret level model, then change course and target that, and don't stop until you get the one you want. Just don't lie to yourself about what you want. Keep it real.

I got a good Asian buddy that married a soda/drink/etc goods model in Vietnam. We both divorced our exwives around the same time and started doing Asia trips around that time. I will say, he does have a small business with some bread and has a couple high end cars, but still. Travesty ain't broke from what I can tell. My friend has two kids from his white exwife, while I had none. He wanted to go all out, and he found what he wanted and brought her back here like I did with mine. We both happy as fuck. You should see this cat. Cheesin hardcore in every fucking picture and anytime you see him. You know it's real because that is an aspect of life you cannot buy at all.

Post: #752

(11-28-2016 11:36 AM)Travesty Wrote:  As a last point I looked at the pics in your dating guide. I really don't like the short round plain faced Hunan look. Reminds me of that general 5.5 SEA chick that isn't memorable.

I was much much more into both the face compilation and full body photos of:

1. Chengdu / Sichuan (Jesus this place is practically in Tibet. Do these chicks ride llamas?)
..
2. Shanghai
3. Nanjing (not a wife material place? looks too close to Shanghai for comfort)
...
...
...
4. Chongqing


I know Shanghai is the materialist Sex in the City type so scratch. Chongqing girls seem cute enough, that darker skin and face/body of those girls you posted for Chengdu/Sichuan makes me want to go off the leash though in a hurry. The Chongqing super like light skinned moon face looked I recognize as beautiful, it doesn't turn my gears as much though. That's based off a couple photos though so who knows.

TK Wrote:I don't think Asians are your type to begin with.

Men as picky as your are on looks and white skin should stick to European women in the first place. You don't see Roosh fucking around with Asia, why the fuck are you bothering with it? Roosh seems to have found an LTR up there. Honestly I am waiting for his kid announcement any day now. You know he is pretty picky or busy doing his own thing, if he can do it, why can't you?

Well from my quote I left above I don't know how you get the impression I like lighter skinned women when I said Sichuan (darker) gets a much higher rating for me than lighter skin CQ girls. I like darker Asians in general. I like darker Latinas too.

I also stated I like the women in Vietnam so much (they are my #1 in the wife sweepstakes - in fact the only country I would revisit for wife purposes so far) the only reason I was looking at China is because attractive Chinese women have made it easy for me in the past and I want to see what it has to offer. I don't know how you think I am not into Asian women the last 2 bangs I had here in the U.S. in fact were one half Asian and the other full Asian (Chinese) (Day game approaches).

I think I intelligently started this hunt early so I have a few years to: one become fully remote for my income which is coming together and two so I can make sure I pick the best place for me. Example, I thought Mexico would be a hit with me and I would stop there maybe. Nope. Airball. I thought Colombia may be too crazy to live longer term. Nope, loved it. I am surprised by each place I visit. Vietnam completely delivered on wife material/family environment. The time zone change does really suck though, it's in first place, I still have time to see a few more spots before I decide.

Last of all my next trip is to Serbia/Romania so yeah I am hitting Europe. Just like I hit Latin America and Asia before that. I don't really discriminate on race at all. I even like banging black chicks! *gasp*.

I only mentioned the worry of going a more traditional Chinese city first is that I wouldn't have a good shot at interacting with the more attractive girls. I guess I just need a tour guide and there will be enough attractive girls speaking a little English that I should be fine. Thanks for that advice, it changed my perspective.

I know you are a guru at China. I cannot be a guru of international game specifics on the 5 continents I've been to. That's why I rely on you.

Post: #753

(11-28-2016 12:51 PM)Laner Wrote:  I focused more on the south, with its better weather and close proximity to Hong Kong. I had family in Shenzhen and Guangzhou so thats where I focused, and it turns out I actually really do enjoy SZ a lot.

Out of the south, SZ is a larger step above the others.

.. So Taiwan is a good spot

Ok TK you see that? You understand why I put SZ and Taiwan (Taipei because it is the only city I know on that island by name -- LOL I am sure it doesn't take too long to go around the country there!)

And Laner,

Yes PM away I always like to compare and contrast.

I am also worried about the "hating to visit" family place. And SZ seemed like the best place just to visit.

Post: #754

(11-28-2016 02:09 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Travesty still has room to get what he likes without having to kiss mainstream media's beauty's collective asses, and find a good wife in the process, that can satisfy him in all areas. He just needs to relax and stop thinking so hard. If he actually wants a Victoria Secret level model, then change course and target that, and don't stop until you get the one you want.

My favorite height for girls is 5'4-5'5".

Most girls 5'8"+ I rarely find attractive. They really have to have some sort of ballerina body which is rare at that height. Also many taller girls their proportions get out of whack and hugging them is like hugging one of my guy friends.

I will be your bad guy though, my heart is cold, dark, and large enough to be everyone's bad guy

Post: #755

(11-28-2016 11:36 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Suits how much to hire you as a two week tour guide? Have you been to Chengdu?

Never been to Chengdu. I think we do have a forum member there who could show you around (Nonpariel).

A week's worth of my time isn't cheap and I have clients that depend on me on a weekly basis that I absolutely cannot cancel on, but if you are interested in seeing some different parts of China, I'd be open to some travel during one of the many Chinese holiday seasons when I can easily take time off if I wish to.

However, I only really know Beijing, Tianjin and Shenzhen, so all the cities you should probably be hitting would be very new to me.

If you do want to put some effort into learning Mandarin and are willing to come to Beijing, I could get you to make more progress in 3 months than money could buy.

Post: #756

(11-28-2016 07:20 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

I'm starting to notice a trend between people who drink classless beer and don't have what it takes to speak Mandarin.

Wait... you mean... if I like craft brews, then I have what it takes to speak Mandarin???

Post: #757

Chengdu is a nice place to visit for 3-7 days but definitely not a place to spend a lot of time without knowing mandarin.

Was also in Shenzhen a couple days. I saw a bunch of European people, and a good amount of hot Eastern Eu/ Russian women. Shenzhen may be doable without knowing Mandarin.

I am not a fan of Bucharest. It's very crappy compared to Budapest in virtually every category. The women are a hair more attractive in Bucharest. There is a myth that Romanian girls have by far the best asses in Europe. There is nothing spectacular about Romanian women compared to other Eastern EU countries.

Post: #758

(11-29-2016 12:23 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 07:20 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

I'm starting to notice a trend between people who drink classless beer and don't have what it takes to speak Mandarin.

Wait... you mean... if I like craft brews, then I have what it takes to speak Mandarin???

You tell me.

Post: #759

(11-29-2016 12:47 AM)NerdyNomad Wrote:  Chengdu is a nice place to visit for 3-7 days but definitely not a place to spend a lot of time without knowing mandarin.

Was also in Shenzhen a couple days. I saw a bunch of European people, and a good amount of hot Eastern Eu/ Russian women. Shenzhen may be doable without knowing Mandarin.

I am not a fan of Bucharest. It's very crappy compared to Budapest in virtually every category. The women are a hair more attractive in Bucharest. There is a myth that Romanian girls have by far the best asses in Europe. There is nothing spectacular about Romanian women compared to other Eastern EU countries.

What makes Chengdu nice to visit? It is a plus that Mandarin is needed in the long run as long as it is a decent place.

I just went to Vietnam. I went to Saigon and really disliked it. I liked Hanoi and really liked Da Nang.

I just have no idea what these mainland Chinese cities are like compared to those Vietnamese cities. I have been to Hong Kong, Macau, Bangkok, and Chang Mai as well.

These are the best cities I have to compare of what a mainland China city would be like and I am guessing most are like Saigon.

Can anyone give a good comparison of what Chengdu and Chongqing in particular are closest to? I looked at the data sheets they are pretty sparse and a few years old.

Post: #760

(11-29-2016 01:49 AM)Travesty Wrote:  I just went to Vietnam. I went to Saigon and really disliked it. I liked Hanoi and really liked Da Nang.

I just have no idea what these mainland Chinese cities are like compared to those Vietnamese cities. I have been to Hong Kong, Macau, Bangkok, and Chang Mai as well.

These are the best cities I have to compare of what a mainland China city would be like and I am guessing most are like Saigon.

Can anyone give a good comparison of what Chengdu and Chongqing in particular are closest to? I looked at the data sheets they are pretty sparse and a few years old.

I've never been to Chengdu or Chongqing, but I have been to Bangkok, Hong Kong and Hanoi.

Mainland China, in my experience with the dozen cities I've either lived in or visited, is nothing like any of the cities I've just listed.

Hanoi has a freshness to it that I haven't experienced anywhere in China, although Shenzhen sometimes has a similar vibe.

People are very polite in Bangkok compared to the mainland. It's still Asia, but they seem to place some value on their own dignity. People in China only care about winning and don't mind shoving other people aside physically in a race for seats on the subway. (It should be noted that in Beijing, seats are frequently given up so that the elderly and people with small children can use them, so it's not all bad).

Key Chinese cities are always really big with a lot of ugly buildings, although Shanghai is a nice exception in the former foreign quarter where some quality European architecture exists, which is reminiscent of Chicago for me.

If I could have the same lifestyle and meet the same people in any of these cities, I'd take Hong Kong or Bangkok over any Mainland Chinese city.

Mainland China is hard to picture unless you've been here. If budget is an issue, fly to Beijing for a few days and crash on my couch.

Post: #761

I was in Chengdoo briefly. I got the impression that the Chengdu ren now look down on foreigners. I'm guessing it's mainly due to all the Russians and Europeans that 'teach' Engrish illegally for 50 RMB an hour. The average Chinese guy there probably makes more than they do now, lol. Let's just say foreigners are not a novelty there anymore.

Far as the city goes, it's boring and inconvenient. Everything is sprawled out. The airport doesn't even have a metro subway line attached to it. Average girls are slightly hotter than average, but if you don't have social proof and can show that you're successful and separate yourself from the scummy ESL teachers, you won't have a shot at them.

Post: #762

Thanks for the replies they're helpful.

Trying different spots won't be an issue once I am location independent. Most of this is just figuring out the best ways to spend my vacation days for now scouting until that comes to fruition.

I guess maybe the best game plan is like I did in Vietnam. Quick drop ins of a few cities. Maybe Shenzen, Chongqing, Chengdu for a handful of days each is the best approach for a 2 week scouting mission. Same strategy worked out very very well for Vietnam though it was a taxing trip with 4 cities over two weeks and a lay over in China each way from the US. Definitely felt more like a mission than a vacation, that's fine though.

Post: #763

I suggest Belo Horizonte although I would go to one of the smaller cities in Minas Gerais too.

Sao Joao del Rei is a great small city and not as touristy as Ouro Preto. There are other cities in MG I have not been in, would be worth a try, like Uberaba. Half of Govenador Valadares is in New Jersey and Massachusetts, might be an interesting place to visit just for that.

Post: #764

Great thread Travesty. I've been reading it with great interest, since I hope to do the same thing one day.
How long have you generally been spending in each city you've visited? The constraints of work obviously limit your time, but if you only spend a few days/weeks do you fear getting a skewed impression of the women due to the small sample size? How are you compensating for this?

Post: #765

(11-28-2016 11:13 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 11:36 AM)Travesty Wrote:  As a last point I looked at the pics in your dating guide. I really don't like the short round plain faced Hunan look. Reminds me of that general 5.5 SEA chick that isn't memorable.

I was much much more into both the face compilation and full body photos of:

1. Chengdu / Sichuan (Jesus this place is practically in Tibet. Do these chicks ride llamas?)
..
2. Shanghai
3. Nanjing (not a wife material place? looks too close to Shanghai for comfort)
...
...
...
4. Chongqing


I know Shanghai is the materialist Sex in the City type so scratch. Chongqing girls seem cute enough, that darker skin and face/body of those girls you posted for Chengdu/Sichuan makes me want to go off the leash though in a hurry. The Chongqing super like light skinned moon face looked I recognize as beautiful, it doesn't turn my gears as much though. That's based off a couple photos though so who knows.

TK Wrote:I don't think Asians are your type to begin with.

Men as picky as your are on looks and white skin should stick to European women in the first place. You don't see Roosh fucking around with Asia, why the fuck are you bothering with it? Roosh seems to have found an LTR up there. Honestly I am waiting for his kid announcement any day now. You know he is pretty picky or busy doing his own thing, if he can do it, why can't you?

Well from my quote I left above I don't know how you get the impression I like lighter skinned women when I said Sichuan (darker) gets a much higher rating for me than lighter skin CQ girls. I like darker Asians in general. I like darker Latinas too.

I also stated I like the women in Vietnam so much (they are my #1 in the wife sweepstakes - in fact the only country I would revisit for wife purposes so far) the only reason I was looking at China is because attractive Chinese women have made it easy for me in the past and I want to see what it has to offer. I don't know how you think I am not into Asian women the last 2 bangs I had here in the U.S. in fact were one half Asian and the other full Asian (Chinese) (Day game approaches).

I think I intelligently started this hunt early so I have a few years to: one become fully remote for my income which is coming together and two so I can make sure I pick the best place for me. Example, I thought Mexico would be a hit with me and I would stop there maybe. Nope. Airball. I thought Colombia may be too crazy to live longer term. Nope, loved it. I am surprised by each place I visit. Vietnam completely delivered on wife material/family environment. The time zone change does really suck though, it's in first place, I still have time to see a few more spots before I decide.

Last of all my next trip is to Serbia/Romania so yeah I am hitting Europe. Just like I hit Latin America and Asia before that. I don't really discriminate on race at all. I even like banging black chicks! *gasp*.

I only mentioned the worry of going a more traditional Chinese city first is that I wouldn't have a good shot at interacting with the more attractive girls. I guess I just need a tour guide and there will be enough attractive girls speaking a little English that I should be fine. Thanks for that advice, it changed my perspective.

I know you are a guru at China. I cannot be a guru of international game specifics on the 5 continents I've been to. That's why I rely on you.

In some ways, all this talk about variety may be a diversion. Sure the pics of those Romanian girls in the datasheet were nice (especially the gal in white, she is brutal!), but would I fit in with that place culturally? I highly doubt it. So that made me realize something. How much are you taking culture into account as you plot your course for destinations?

Just because you banged a couple Chinese women, does not mean you could handle China bro, on a wife level. What if you met a unicorn in Chongqing, but her dad constantly nagged you to bring, send, or jointly come back every year for Spring Festival (aka Chinese New Year/ Lunar New Year) but you do not like doing that? Shit even the Vietnamese celebrate this holiday as well! My in laws don't nag me about it, but I know it hurts them when we cannot come. I also know, that I got a little bit lucky on in laws, not all are as cool and understanding as them.

Also, if you are going to plan wife hunts based upon an irrational fear from other unmarried manosphere men of, "I must live in her country to prevent her from being spoiled or cheating", you really need to take into account culture more than variety/looks. If Mexico sucked to live in, there are things in China that could trump that easily. On the other hand, there are some things in China that are much better than Mexico (like a lack of gun toting homicidal manics looking for marks to kidnap).

It seems more like you are on a tryout for livability in a variety of countries and the wife herself is actually second in terms of importance. Nothing wrong with that, but if that is the case, you need to adjust your strategy a bit.

Post: #766

(11-28-2016 11:24 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:51 PM)Laner Wrote:  I focused more on the south, with its better weather and close proximity to Hong Kong. I had family in Shenzhen and Guangzhou so thats where I focused, and it turns out I actually really do enjoy SZ a lot.

Out of the south, SZ is a larger step above the others.

.. So Taiwan is a good spot

Ok TK you see that? You understand why I put SZ and Taiwan (Taipei because it is the only city I know on that island by name -- LOL I am sure it doesn't take too long to go around the country there!)

And Laner,

Yes PM away I always like to compare and contrast.

I am also worried about the "hating to visit" family place. And SZ seemed like the best place just to visit.

Hating to visit family places? Let's make one thing clear when it comes to Asians and Asian women. If you cannot stand her family, you better not marry her. If you cannot or are not willing to deal with her family at all, I hope you are Asian yourself. Otherwise, you will have a shitfest of a marriage. Chinese men that banish all fragments/aspects of the wife's family, have their own take up the yoke. Even then, that sometimes backfires on them badly (wife and motherinlaw fighting alot physically)

In alot of ways, the faster or sooner you get to meeting a Chinese woman's family, the better it is to fully vet her out. A possible unicorn only gets better if the family kicks ass.

Goes back to my previous post anyway. If places are the priority, and the women are not, I am not sure of the strategy you are running and if it is actually useful for wife hunting.

Post: #767

(11-29-2016 09:26 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Sure the pics of those Romanian girls in the datasheet were nice (especially the gal in white, she is brutal!), but would I fit in with that place culturally? I highly doubt it. So that made me realize something. How much are you taking culture into account as you plot your course for destinations?

I don't realize to talk about it much. I do recognize it and look for it. For Vietnam I repeatedly raved that their society is like a bunch of brothers and sisters that look after each other. Every wait staff etc... especially the young adults had a large sense of comraderie(sp?). Not like the US where there is some pecking order to who is cool or in small cliques. They just seem happy, relaxed, and family oriented. I did not sense status hunting to even a fraction to the degree of US, China, Mex, Latin America.

Mexicans I have trashed for being polite and inviting, yet very cool & reserved. Reserved to the point I really hate it. Also their chicks, especially the good looking ones put up a lot of retarded fronts I can't stand.

Colombians have a very cool culture, very fun. If I was a player for life I would move there for the culture. Dress well, dance well, smooth, love life, love to laugh. Family life is bad there though, lots of fucked up situations and relationships I saw in my short time there.

Quote:Just because you banged a couple Chinese women, does not mean you could handle China bro, on a wife level. What if you met a unicorn in Chongqing, but her dad constantly nagged you to bring, send, or jointly come back every year for Spring Festival (aka Chinese New Year/ Lunar New Year) but you do not like doing that? Shit even the Vietnamese celebrate this holiday as well!

Yeah if the city is half way decent, her family is nice, I wouldn't mind if she is worth it. I would totally travel back to Vietnam with a chick once a year. I am sure China has it spots as well.

Quote:Also, if you are going to plan wife hunts based upon an irrational fear from other unmarried manosphere men of, "I must live in her country to prevent her from being spoiled or cheating",

Sometimes I don't think you fully remember all I have stated in this very long thread which is understandable. I specifically have made several posts arguing Asian women in particular would be the BEST for bringing back to the US because competition is lower for them compared to white or Latina chicks, so their ego wouldn't grow as easily. Also how I wouldn't bring back a chick I couldn't date equivalent looks/age here in the US. Just upgrading personality, values, loyalty.

Quote:It seems more like you are on a tryout for livability in a variety of countries and the wife herself is actually second in terms of importance. Nothing wrong with that, but if that is the case, you need to adjust your strategy a bit.

I am balancing both. I am guessing I would need to spend at least 6 months total even in worst case if it is spread out over a year or so to form a relationship with any woman that starts to become solid with plans of a future. 1.5 year+ would be much better.

I don't need to be in love with a place, I do however need to not have a sick feeling in my stomach when traveling and staying there.

Quote:Hating to visit family places? Let's make one thing clear when it comes to Asians and Asian women.

What I meant was if a girl lived in Delhi, India (a place I have been), I would hate to have to go visit her family even if I loved them. I don't think it is fair to be serious with a girl where you hate having to go visit her culture/home and loathe it.

Also for the record.

China on this forum is a fucking basket case just like Mexico. No one gives real clear answers. Suits can't even explain what a mainland Chinese city is like unless you visit. Then there is the defensive stance of China that is "China will be China". There is this back and forth of good looking girls, rude people spitting & pushing, ultra materialism, ultra loyalty, "don't live there long term you have no chance for happiness", tiger girls.

This is all flashbacks of Mexico before I went trying to figure it out. Mexico is very a much a love or hate it and both sides defend is some weird hard to decipher way. When I went I could not fucking believe how so many guys interpreted Mexico so wildly different than what I experienced. Then I got some PMs saying "yeah you're right on X Y Z Trav... no one says that about Mex, but it's true".

And worst case I visit China and X it off the list like anywhere else. I have a feeling if I went to China came back and reported the cities are polluted, the people are rude, the girls have fucked teeth, I don't like the culture, that I would get hate of "you didn't study Mandarin", "you don't like Asian girls", "you didn't X Y Z". No - maybe I just hated China and that's that. That's why I visit to find out.

TK - I am not replaying your life with your game plan where you decided heart and soul China was it for getting a wife after a divorce. I don't have a divorce that burned me. I don't have a fire for one place with a tunnel vision mission. I am just scouting right now and I have learned a ton.

I think others have too.

Post: #768

(11-29-2016 07:08 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  Great thread Travesty. I've been reading it with great interest, since I hope to do the same thing one day.
How long have you generally been spending in each city you've visited? The constraints of work obviously limit your time, but if you only spend a few days/weeks do you fear getting a skewed impression of the women due to the small sample size? How are you compensating for this?

I think for a small city (< 1 million) you need 3 days to soak it in. For a larger city probably 5 days to really soak it in, hopefully a week.

I am not scared I miss out by not spending more time. I have been enough places like Roosh has said you can see patterns in people and you can feel it in your gut faster and faster whether it is your spot or not. If you combine your gut feeling with forum intel your odds of being right for yourself are extremely high.

If you find a spot your gut is screaming Yes, then I would spend at least 2 weeks in that city (better a month). At the end of a month you should really get a feel if it is the final spot for me personally.

Post: #769

(11-29-2016 02:40 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  I suggest Belo Horizonte although I would go to one of the smaller cities in Minas Gerais too.

Sao Joao del Rei is a great small city and not as touristy as Ouro Preto. There are other cities in MG I have not been in, would be worth a try, like Uberaba. Half of Govenador Valadares is in New Jersey and Massachusetts, might be an interesting place to visit just for that.

Hey Sp5 thanks for the response.

Yeah BH is way up there for me. Time zones match up. I have several people I know that married Brazilian wives and are pretty happy guys. And more guys that have dated them and have great things to say.

The reason I was not absolute in going there next is I have never been to EE and wanted to try it once.

Also there was that presidential impeachment, Zika, the economy falling etc... I didn't think it was a great time to go Brazil without knowing Portugese. I really want to try Brazil though before I make any hard decision. Especially since I don't dig Mexico it is really the last place in the Western Hemisphere (which would be most convenient over the long term).

I think though for Brazil I would need 3 months of intensive Portugese study before going just to be safe and get the most out of it. For China it feels like I could just go and not have to worry about safety and language as much, which makes it more attractive for the near term.

I am sure my gut will tell me either way at the time.

Post: #770

(11-29-2016 02:40 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  I suggest Belo Horizonte although I would go to one of the smaller cities in Minas Gerais too.

Sao Joao del Rei is a great small city and not as touristy as Ouro Preto. There are other cities in MG I have not been in, would be worth a try, like Uberaba. Half of Govenador Valadares is in New Jersey and Massachusetts, might be an interesting place to visit just for that.

What would you guess are the English speaking rates for women in their 20s for cities like Rio, Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Brasilia?

Post: #771

(11-29-2016 11:57 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:40 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  I suggest Belo Horizonte although I would go to one of the smaller cities in Minas Gerais too.

Sao Joao del Rei is a great small city and not as touristy as Ouro Preto. There are other cities in MG I have not been in, would be worth a try, like Uberaba. Half of Govenador Valadares is in New Jersey and Massachusetts, might be an interesting place to visit just for that.

Hey Sp5 thanks for the response.

Yeah BH is way up there for me. Time zones match up. I have several people I know that married Brazilian wives and are pretty happy guys. And more guys that have dated them and have great things to say.

The reason I was not absolute in going there next is I have never been to EE and wanted to try it once.

Also there was that presidential impeachment, Zika, the economy falling etc... I didn't think it was a great time to go Brazil without knowing Portugese. I really want to try Brazil though before I make any hard decision. Especially since I don't dig Mexico it is really the last place in the Western Hemisphere (which would be most convenient over the long term).

I think though for Brazil I would need 3 months of intensive Portugese study before going just to be safe and get the most out of it. For China it feels like I could just go and not have to worry about safety and language as much, which makes it more attractive for the near term.

I am sure my gut will tell me either way at the time.

Ya, one of my only doubts after getting in this LTR with a Filipina is not having gone back to Brazil since my divorce. I was in a couple of LTRs with Brazilians in the states, one in particular was very compatible, the fact that I was married at the time made it unsustainable.

Brazilian women are great.

When I went to Brazil, I had studied Portuguese and used it in Brazil almost exclusively, but I did meet some women who could speak English.

(11-29-2016 12:35 PM)NerdyNomad Wrote:  What would you guess are the English speaking rates for women in their 20s for cities like Rio, Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Brasilia?

It depends on social class. If you are in high end or university area venues, you will find a lot of English speakers, but you're shutting yourself off from the vast majority of Brazilian women.

You can get by with Spanish more than English-only.

A three month intensive course in Portuguese will give you enough to socialize and game.

Post: #772

I see China coming up as a possible destination several times. There's several youtube channels I follow that I feel give fairly good insight into the country from an outsiders perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86
https://www.youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms
https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza
https://www.youtube.com/user/NTDChinaUncensored

A couple of these guys married Chinese girls and share their ideas on the dating scene in China, and the culture in general.

The Chinese wife of the American who married her is here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzAxQ3v...1GyxjJ9bmg

She talks about the culture in China is fairly frank about the ups and downs.

Sort of reminds me of an ex-gf I had that was very frank. If you like women that are straightforward and sometimes very blunt, China has a large supply of them.

Post: #773

I lived in Chengdu for 2 years and the girls are incredible.... best in China IMO and from what I was told that is their reputation throughout the country. I've always kinda been surprised no one on RVF talks about Chengdu...Chengdu is surrounded by mountains so over time the natives have done very little breeding with other Chinese not from the area. They dress in heels, skirts and handbags. More classy than slutty though; think Jackie Kennedy. Before I went there I had no interest in Asian chicks but when I left I had seen the light. Chnegdu has half the population of Shanghai and twice the bars/clubs(at least when I was there 6 years ago). They are known for their amazing food and laid back lifestyle. It is also surrounded by beautiful mountains and Buddhist temples, try Jiuzhaigou(sp?) it's nothing short of spectacular. Not to mention it has the best food in ALL OF ASIA, IMO and I have tried food from pretty much all of Asia. Andrew Zimmern has done a show there and even he said it should be included with the Paris' of the world. Bottom line, if you are into Asian chicks, Chengdu is very much an unknown poosy paradise, but the food and relaxed lifestyle might actually steal the show.

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^ Thanks for that I'll be sure to put more research into Chengdu when the time comes. Seems like a bit of a hidden gem which is on the right track. Just going off Google images looks like it absolutely rips apart Chongqing in the scenery and cleanliness game. I think we have a winner here.

If you could write a small data sheet on your experiences you would be saint for many here thinking about exploring China. Everything here as seen before is Shenz(fuck the 2nd h)en, HK, Beijing, Shanghai mostly (hoe zones). And I know China is much much bigger than that.

How hard would it be to meet girls that speak good English there?

Post: #775

phluff127,

You've been in Chengdu for two years. We need an expanded datasheet from you when you get the chance. These are the gem-like cities that need more attention for men seeking classy ladies. We've heard the horror stories of the gold diggers of Shanghi and Beijing, but these lesser known cities seem to be where it is at. Have a rep point as a future payment for your upcoming Chengdu datasheet.