Post: #726

(11-01-2016 07:04 AM)Malone Wrote:  So this was my first post about this:
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With a follow up discussion a bit further down.
We've been married about 2 months now, but we were living together (basically defacto married) for another 3 months before that.
So far somewhat smooth. She's got no natural housekeeping instincts, having lived in a tiny house with her female relatives all her life. I'm training her on that.
She's also getting quite a bit better as a cook with my training, mostly mindset and some basic skills.
She's fun - she's girly and silly and easily scared. We've had a couple fights about stupid stuff, but both have been opportunities to correct some bad behaviour. I need to work on my patience with her.
Also - Kidlet #1/5 on the way. I hit the bullseye on our first week back in Spain. Next June I become a Patriarch.
On the language stuff - her sister asked me to please learn Vietnamese. I nodded and smiled. No fucking way.

My wife is Viet also. She is High Society type though... not a poor village girl. Her parents own a nice company in Saigon.

There are a lot of things that are the same though. She is girly, and silly, and very easily scared. She also does what I ask her to with very little pushback. I've noticed these girls don't like to fight... and so they pile up issues and don't talk about them. In my opinion it's best to get things out in the open and fight it out right away.

Post: #727

Which one is better for a young traditional zero notch count wife, FSU(in case you speak Russian and want to live there) or the Philippines(you bring the wife to your country)?

Post: #728

(11-02-2016 04:05 AM)dsalsa Wrote:  Which one is better for a young traditional zero notch count wife, FSU(in case you speak Russian and want to live there) or the Philippines(you bring the wife to your country)?

Why on earth would you think or include the Philippines?

It's the easiest country to get laid in, in the world.

High teen pregnancy rate in Asia. (Visit a pregnancy hospital in Manila early early in the morning and see how long the line is)

Vietnam would be a much better place if you are looking for traditional virgins.

Not sure which FSU country is very traditional and conservative.

Post: #729

(11-02-2016 07:56 AM)Tweezy Wrote:  Not sure which FSU country is very traditional and conservative.

Georgia, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Azerbayjan, Russian republics in Caucasus region.

Сheck Kalmykia if you prefer Asians.

Post: #730

Ive seen some nice looking Asian mix girls from Uzbekistan, Kazicstan (sp) etc.

Wonder how they stack up to Vietnamese girls in the loyalty and traditional sense.

Post: #731

(11-02-2016 04:05 AM)dsalsa Wrote:  Which one is better for a young traditional zero notch count wife, FSU(in case you speak Russian and want to live there) or the Philippines(you bring the wife to your country)?

Never never never bring a Filipina to a western country. They are like sponges and soak up the behavior of the local girls within record time.

(11-02-2016 07:56 AM)Tweezy Wrote:  Why on earth would you think or include the Philippines?

Philippines has tons of virgins but your not going to find them on Tinder, DateinAsia, or any other dating site. Need to be on the ground and work social game. Meet Filipinos and tell them you are looking for a traditional girl for marriage. Everyone in the Philippines has a million cousins and can steer you to someone.

Also try hit up some of the churches (as mentioned previously by others). Not really so much during mass or church service, go during bible study or other extra events.

Also for a good girl avoid call center girls. 95% of call center girls are party girls, hook ups, and non traditional. Right now I know a virgin who just started working at a call center in Cebu and all the coworkers are pressuring her to be wild and crazy like them.

Post: #732

(11-02-2016 02:02 PM)username Wrote:  Philippines has tons of virgins but your not going to find them on Tinder, DateinAsia, or any other dating site. Need to be on the ground and work social game. Meet Filipinos and tell them you are looking for a traditional girl for marriage. Everyone in the Philippines has a million cousins and can steer you to someone.

Also try hit up some of the churches (as mentioned previously by others). Not really so much during mass or church service, go during bible study or other extra events.

Also for a good girl avoid call center girls. 95% of call center girls are party girls, hook ups, and non traditional. Right now I know a virgin who just started working at a call center in Cebu and all the coworkers are pressuring her to be wild and crazy like them.

Every country has more than enough virgins for any one man to go through.

My point was, the Phi is not a good place to go looking for a virgin or traditional wife.

Very very promiscuous society. High teen pregnancy. High adultery. etc Just to illustrate shit, they have a saying "Boys will be boys". Basically, girls expect and accept that guys are gonna cheat. Girls are not on the same level as the guys but they get in their fair share as well.

People think oh Catholic country. Conservative bla bla. They obviously fail to realize Catholics are weekend or a few times a year Christians. They don't think twice about getting drunk, spreading their legs, cheating, etc. They think they can keep right on sinning and as long as they confess their sins to the priest or repent all is good.

Again, yes the Philippines has sweet traditional loyal virgins. But I aint going there to look for a wife.

Much better hunting grounds in my opinion.

Post: #733

(11-02-2016 02:02 PM)username Wrote:  Never never never bring a Filipina to a western country. They are like sponges and soak up the behavior of the local girls within record time.

Pinays are the most Westernized liberal girls in Asia. While at the same time being very sweet and nice.

The problem with Pinays is infidelity, poor aging / genetics, wanting to support their family too much, probably not from the best homes, intelligence and some other things.

Post: #734

Tweezy is like an informational ISIS solider against Pinays.

They are going find and come stop you one day Tweezy.

Post: #735

(11-02-2016 02:52 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Tweezy is like an informational ISIS solider against Pinays.

They are going find and come stop you one day Tweezy.

I love Pinays. Easily hold the number one spot of nationalities I have fucked over the years.

The best combination of sweetness, kindness and fun ive seen from any group of women.

Great for a fun vacation. But not really sure about marrying one though.

Post: #736

There are a few things that separate Filipinas as marriage material from other Southeast and East Asian women. The main one is culture.

1. Filipinas are much more culturally similar to Americans and other Westerners.

2. Filipino culture is much more welcoming to Westerners and mixed-race relationships/children.

To be honest, it seems like most guys here don't take much consideration of what their wife choice will mean for their children. Personally, this is probably the BIGGEST thing for me.

Which woman will provide my children the most advantages, not only through child rearing, not only through genetics, but in the opportunities they'll have access to.

Let's say you marry a Japanese woman. Your children have basically no chance of ever achieving significant political power in Japan. Your children have little chance of obtaining cultural power/celebrity in Japan. Your children will likely struggle with their identity and be ostracized from many part of Japanese culture.

(Any Japan experts who disagree, feel free to chime in. I haven't been there yet, but this is my impression of both Japan and most of East and Southeast Asia)

On the other hand, this is not the case in the Philippines. In fact, if you take a look at Filipino pop culture, financial elites, and politics, it may actually be an ADVANTAGE to be of mixed race. It's actually fashionable and desirable in many ways to have European heritage, whether it's directly through your parents or somewhere further down the line.

Of course, you might be saying "but I have no intention of living in the Philippines/Japan, etc." BUT your children might want to. There are many Filipinos who have American, Spanish, Australian, etc. citizenship and end up returning to live in the Philippines, partially for the reasons I mentioned above.

And if your child does stay in the US, do you think being raised by a reserved, non-confrontational East Asian woman is an advantage or disadvantage in the more aggressive, open culture of the West? Filipinos are definitely not as confrontational as Westerners, but there's still a certain machismo that the Spaniards left behind.

To be clear, I'm not telling anyone that they SHOULD marry a Filipina. That's up to you. Personally, I think I'll ultimately end up with a European woman, for many of the reasons I touched on above.

I'm just offering some different perspectives, considering 95% of the Philippines data on this forum is a rehash of the same few concepts.

Post: #737

Bored tonight after working... hypothetical question for a two week long scouting trip many months from now:

A) Belo Horizonte, BR - No Portugese, rusty intermediate Spanish

B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

Where do you choose & why?

Post: #738

(11-01-2016 09:27 AM)Tweezy Wrote:  Malone,

You might should consider learning some Vietnamese. Not like this is a random girl your fucking. This is your wife.

Not saying get fluent, but enough to at least make small talk with her family.

Seconding this. My dad is terrible at foreign languages, but over twenty years of my mom speaking Chinese at him made him halfway proficient in it. It doesn't matter that my mom has great English. Everyone likes speaking their own language and it eases things when spending time with the family.

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(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Bored tonight after working... hypothetical question for a two week long scouting trip many months from now:
B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin
C) Shenzhen, CHN - No Mandarin
Where do you choose & why?

Taiwan, probably. Shenzhen is a 20 million-strong hub of modernity and rootlessness. I know a girl who grew up there and she has a pretty whory outlook on things.

Post: #739

(11-01-2016 09:27 AM)Tweezy Wrote:  Malone,

You might should consider learning some Vietnamese. Not like this is a random girl your fucking. This is your wife.

Not saying get fluent, but enough to at least make small talk with her family.

Good post, I agree 100%.

Frankly, I can't imagine being married to a girl whose native language I speak at a pre-school level.

Marriage involves a lot of complicated shit, moreso in a foreign country... kids, school, health, money, living arrangements, etc etc... a kindergarten level in her language isn't going to cut it.

Post: #740

(11-28-2016 12:10 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Shenzhen is a 20 million-strong hub of modernity and rootlessness. I know a girl who grew up there and she has a pretty whory outlook on things.

I was wondering if it was worth a shot since the most English speakers are there & it would be the most livable for months at a time.

I thought going to other mainland cities with no Mandarin seemed like a fool's errand. I think I would have to be just sold on the thought of living in a Chinese city for awhile to find a girl before spending any concrete investment in learning Mandarin, and it seemed like Shenzhen offered the best lifestyle for someone new to China.

Post: #741

(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

I'm starting to notice a trend between people who drink classless beer and don't have what it takes to speak Mandarin.

Post: #742

(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Bored tonight after working... hypothetical question for a two week long scouting trip many months from now:

A) Belo Horizonte, BR - No Portugese, rusty intermediate Spanish

B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

Where do you choose & why?

Neither! I have never, ever heard of anyone wife hunting in either place or actually finding a decent LTR out of a hunt there (Taipei).

I never listed the best wife hunting places in the mainland in my datasheet because at the time, no one on the forum was interested in such, but it looks like you could use one.

Ok here are my top ten wife hunting places in China:

1. Hunan province
2. Chongqing
3. Sichuan Province
4. Yunnan Province
5. Harbin
6. Anhui
7. Wuhan
8. Guangxi
9. Guangdong/Fujian Province
10. Shannxi Province

I rated this mostly on how traditional the women are, how submissive and sweet they are, and their general beauty. Obviously Yunnan women are not as hot as Harbin and Anhui women, but they are waaay more traditional and submissive. You could probably find a good wife there in a few hours if you wanted one badly enough. Hunan women are not as pretty as Chongqing women, but they are much more traditional minded. Most marriages to Americans from Chinese women according to the US State Dept. came from women born in Hunan province. Even Chinese men outside of Hunan know about Hunan's reputation for sweet and traditional girls.

Some provinces are consistent throughout the whole province, while other places are just good in a specific city instead. However, it is possible that better gals are just outside that city's limits (Wuhan is a great example of this). The cities outside of Wuhan are just full of terribly plain looking women to downright ugly. I strongly disagree with the narrative that a wife need not be pretty.

A woman not pretty enough to maintain your respect is a woman you will not only treat poorly in the long run, but you may discard out of disgust, hurting your family. I don't care if she is a 4 and does not mind you fucking other bitches. You still won't respect her. One game tip I learned from Chinese men is that they respect their wife much more than the mistress and it is not because of children. It's a combination of intangibles, other things, and appearance too. A very sloppy looking wife is a divorced wife in China, unless the man is even worse.

If the SZ crew wants to weigh in, I will yield to them more I guess because I have not gone there yet. SZ is a business city. If you want to find working women with careers, go there, Shanghai, or Beijing. You'd better have your checkbook ready as well. In my wife's mother's side of the family, she has one aunt that has lots of money. She runs some company/factory or something. Guess where she lives? Shenzhen. The rest stayed in Hunan and are very traditional. This aunt spoke to me in English as well at our wedding. I was surprised because she was the first Hunan person over 40 that I had met at the time, that could speak English past hello.

If you still want to hunt in SZ regardless, based upon what others in RVF and outside RVF told me, you better bring your A game, wear a suit when possible, dig in for a longer stay than a few weeks, and be ready to flash your status/credentials from time to time. Based upon what I have heard, it's not that the women are not approachable, they just might be busy/important, and the local culture is worker bee like. Plenty of English speakers compared to other places, although I think Global Entry (who lives there sometimes) doesn't seem to think so, and plenty of educated people around. I also hear that there are plenty other nationalities around because it is pretty much international city in general, like GZ, BJ, and SH. SZ is also full of transplants from other provinces. You could easily find some of the women from the list I provided, down there as well.

Post: #743

Also, I saw your musings on the crummy quality of Chinese women in Vietnam some pages back. How silly is that. That is like complaining about the quality of Chinese women in Australia. Those women in Vietnam, tend to be the daughters or relatives of factory owners (especially in the North area), and other assorted rich Chinese businessmen that do not want to gamble in Macau as much anymore because of the crackdown.

I would imagine they are spoiled rotten and not worth the time. If I was in Vietnam, even though I speak Mandarin, I would not bother with any Chinese woman there. It would have to be an uncontested layup inside the box, for me to bother with that.

Rich Chinese girls are not always good looking. In fact, many Fu er dai (2nd generation rich) are ugly with LV and Gucci clothes and handbags. The same hot mess color uncoordinated looking Chinese girls you see on the street in China, just add a real LV handbag, an Audi/Lexus/Benz/Buick, and 2000 dollar sunglasses. She still looks no different than the rest walking around if you take all that shit off her. Her attitude is probably nasty enough to make you possibly walk away from her without saying zaijian (bye).

You want to see decent Chinese gals? Go to China. Not Vietnam, not Thailand, not Malaysia, not Paris, not New York, not Los Angeles, not Seattle, not Nashville, not Nepal, not Vancouver, not Australia, not New Zealand, not Houston, definately not San Francisco, and fuck not even the Philippines. Go to China itself!

Post: #744

If you are worried about English speakers in the rest of China, I would not worry about that too much, but it does limit you to online game a little bit more than you probably want to be. I met kids in Yunnan, like a 12 year old girl that had better English than my wife by a factor of 10. Blew me away, couldn't believe it.

Just stick to younger women and it should not be too much of a problem. You could even hire a broker to help you look around for some, if you want. That would speed things up considerably, but that kinda takes the fun out of the hunt I can imagine.

Post: #745

(11-28-2016 07:20 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  B) Taipei, Taiwan - No Mandarin

C) Shenzen, CHN - No Mandarin

D) Kiev, UA - No Russian

I'm starting to notice a trend between people who drink classless beer and don't have what it takes to speak Mandarin.

If you wanted to hurt my feelings mission accomplished.

I liked Vietnamese girls enough that now going to China or anywhere else in Asia has to stack up against them. I just want to see how I like mainland China in general and the women.

I know not speaking Mandarin my first trip would leave many doors shut I still think I have travelled enough while looking at women and the country to have a gut reaction whether it is worth investing in the language.

Post: #746

(11-28-2016 10:19 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  You want to see decent Chinese gals? Go to China. Not Vietnam, not Thailand, not Malaysia, not Paris, not New York, not Los Angeles, not Seattle, not Nashville, not Nepal, not Vancouver, not Australia, not New Zealand, not Houston, definately not San Francisco, and fuck not even the Philippines. Go to China itself!

The same could be said for J-girls, Thais, Russians or pretty much any nationality really. The best (in both looks and character) always stay at home. Well said.

Post: #747

Hey TK,

I've only been to Hong Kong and Macau. From what I heard Shenzhen had the best lifestyle as an intro to mainland China.

I was thinking that going to Chongqing or wherever else with no Mandarin would leave a trip that was hell just to get around with frustration and on top of that only some 5s and 6s online that speak English which doesn't interest me. I guess you are saying all those mentioned would give me a better a taste of what is offered than I imagine. I did go on a date in Vietnam with a girl that had no English and it went well. It made me start practicing some Vietnamese. I guess I should just go for those sorts of girls and struggle through some puppet show dates.

After going to Vietnam and liking it so much their are only two reasons I want to visit mainland China:

1) Chinese born and raised girls have been the most aggressive and horny with me of any nationality on the planet by leaps and bounds.
2) The upper end of the looks bell curve in China is bigger than Vietnam because there are so many people.

1+2 = lots of hot horny Chinese girls for me in my fantasies. If I didn't visit mainland China once I would feel I was leaving something up on the table.

I also thought going to a less international Chinese mainland city with no Mandarin could be a risk from officials or whoever else. At least in a more international city as a first time it feels like a less chance of getting in a bad situation where I cannot speak the language.

Anytime I go first time to a country without knowing the language at all I tend to play it safe.

As for Taiwan, anyone know the best city to visit there then?

And yes, the Chinese girls in Vietnam (mostly tourists) were so bad so many times they had to be mentioned whether or not it represents the better Chinese women. They were that bad. You have to admit the Colombians, Brazilians, Venezuelans, Argentinians, Russians, Spaniards, Swiss, Swedish etc send out way better chicks on their tourist roster. China is sending out the Canadian AA Baseball team equivalent of girls in comparison.

Post: #748

As a last point I looked at the pics in your dating guide. I really don't like the short round plain faced Hunan look. Reminds me of that general 5.5 SEA chick that isn't memorable.

I was much much more into both the face compilation and full body photos of:

1. Chengdu / Sichuan (Jesus this place is practically in Tibet. Do these chicks ride llamas?)
..
2. Shanghai
3. Nanjing (not a wife material place? looks too close to Shanghai for comfort)
...
...
...
4. Chongqing

I know Shanghai is the materialist Sex in the City type so scratch. Chongqing girls seem cute enough, that darker skin and face/body of those girls you posted for Chengdu/Sichuan makes me want to go off the leash though in a hurry. The Chongqing super like light skinned moon face looked I recognize as beautiful, it doesn't turn my gears as much though. That's based off a couple photos though so who knows.

Suits how much to hire you as a two week tour guide? Have you been to Chengdu?

I know I need to do my homework, while you two are reading this though how many barriers are there doing remote internet work from China as far as blocking web access do you see? Or is it only news/social media that is blocked? I mean not having complete Google access would be death for $ making.

Post: #749

(11-28-2016 11:12 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Hey TK,

I've only been to Hong Kong and Macau. From what I heard Shenzhen had the best lifestyle as an intro to mainland China.

I was thinking that going to Chongqing or wherever else with no Mandarin would leave a trip that was hell just to get around with frustration and on top of that only some 5s and 6s online that speak English which doesn't interest me. I guess you are saying all those mentioned would give me a better a taste of what is offered than I imagine. I did go on a date in Vietnam with a girl that had no English and it went well. It made me start practicing some Vietnamese. I guess I should just go for those sorts of girls and struggle through some puppet show dates.

After going to Vietnam and liking it so much their are only two reasons I want to visit mainland China:

1) Chinese born and raised girls have been the most aggressive and horny with me of any nationality on the planet by leaps and bounds.
2) The upper end of the looks bell curve in China is bigger than Vietnam because there are so many people.

1+2 = lots of hot horny Chinese girls for me in my fantasies. If I didn't visit mainland China once I would feel I was leaving something up on the table.

I also thought going to a less international Chinese mainland city with no Mandarin could be a risk from officials or whoever else. At least in a more international city as a first time it feels like a less chance of getting in a bad situation where I cannot speak the language.

Anytime I go first time to a country without knowing the language at all I tend to play it safe.

As for Taiwan, anyone know the best city to visit there then?

And yes, the Chinese girls in Vietnam (mostly tourists) were so bad so many times they had to be mentioned whether or not it represents the better Chinese women. They were that bad. You have to admit the Colombians, Brazilians, Venezuelans, Argentinians, Russians, Spaniards, Swiss, Swedish etc send out way better chicks on their tourist roster. China is sending out the Canadian AA Baseball team equivalent of girls in comparison.

(11-28-2016 11:36 AM)Travesty Wrote:  As a last point I looked at the pics in your dating guide. I really don't like the short round plain faced Hunan look. Reminds me of that general 5.5 SEA chick that isn't memorable.

I was much much more into both the face compilation and full body photos of:

1. Chengdu / Sichuan (Jesus this place is practically in Tibet. Do these chicks ride llamas?)
..
2. Shanghai
3. Nanjing (not a wife material place? looks too close to Shanghai for comfort)
...
...
...
4. Chongqing

I know Shanghai is the materialist Sex in the City type so scratch. Chongqing girls seem cute enough, that darker skin and face/body of those girls you posted for Chengdu/Sichuan makes me want to go off the leash though in a hurry. The Chongqing super like light skinned moon face looked I recognize as beautiful, it doesn't turn my gears as much though. That's based off a couple photos though so who knows.

Suits how much to hire you as a two week tour guide? Have you been to Chengdu?

I know I need to do my homework, while you two are reading this though how many barriers are there doing remote internet work from China as far as blocking web access do you see? Or is it only news/social media that is blocked? I mean not having complete Google access would be death for $ making.

This is why Suits probably hurt your feelings. There is alot of cognitive dissonance in these two posts. You have always tended to make way too many assumptions before obtaining any tangible evidence.

I thought I was pessimistic and cold hearted as a person, but I don't have shit on you Trav.

Chongqing 5's and 6's only speak English? LOL.... Chongqing is the highest rated place in China on most people's scale, beauty wise. A 5 or 6 in your book might actually be 7-8 anyway, so why am I even bothering with that. Anyway, CQ girls can be tall-ish and have plenty pale skinned women as well. Some are darker like Sichuan women but not all.

No Chengdu people do not ride llamas. If anything they ride drunk men that pass out in the street, like that one dude that was "raped" by one.

Tell you what, if you won't like anything in CQ, you probably should scratch China off your list completely and keep it moving. I'm dead serious. You might as well switch to Europe only after that. I don't think Asians are your type to begin with. Men as picky as your are on looks and white skin should stick to European women in the first place. You don't see Roosh fucking around with Asia, why the fuck are you bothering with it? Roosh seems to have found an LTR up there. Honestly I am waiting for his kid announcement any day now. You know he is pretty picky or busy doing his own thing, if he can do it, why can't you?

You remind me of a bored guy sitting at a table full of the best shrimp dishes in the world, and you just take one, put it in your mouth, and spit it out unimpressed. Sounds like you need to find something else to eat because shrimp may not be as delicious as you claim that you think it is. You certainly should not be eating it just because many of us tear it daily either.

Suits is trying to tell you something bro. Think about this alot more from a deeper fundamental level.

EDIT: If you need a VPN to work with while in China PM me or Fortis, if it comes down to that.

Post: #750

If guys who are wanting to find wives in China should also take into account that they are going to have to visit this place, probably once a year at new years.

I look at China from a business perspective, and with saying that, I could not stand the north of China, even Shanghai. As much fun as it was, after 2010 I just could not put myself into a scenario where I would have to spend 3-4 months a year there. So having family be from a place that makes you cringe should be important.

I focused more on the south, with its better weather and close proximity to Hong Kong. I had family in Shenzhen and Guangzhou so thats where I focused, and it turns out I actually really do enjoy SZ a lot.

Out of the south, SZ is a larger step above the others. I will put Xiamen in there as well. The women here are more Taiwanese looking, and I met some very cute and shy girls in Quanzhou. A Canadian I know owns a Craft Beer Bar (Hahaha!) there, and the girls he introduced me to were giving out the 'I love you' vibe that only good girls and hookers know how to do.

Taiwanese girls from outside of Taipei are actually very plain looking. They dont seem to care much about make up, and just rely on a clean fresh look. Its easy to overlook them, but I have a great track record of choosing a girls potential and turning her from a 7 to a 8.5. So Taiwan is a good spot, its just that girls in Taipei are going to know their value and your competition is from solid Taiwanese players who have $$, looks, height, style and game.

For three years I have been seeing a girl from Hunan whenever I go to SZ. For me, she is fairly upper tier. She is not typical Hunan looks, and is not considered beautiful in China. In her own words, if she was beautiful to rich men, she would already be rich. My #2 in China is a girl from Sichuan. More cute, very family orientated as well, but much more fun with a larger personality.

I dont mind sharing some pics of these girls and their friends over PM, I do want to keep this thread out of the 'hot or not' zone. I just find guys are so different in looks.

For example the hottest Asian women I have ever fucked, anywhere, was Mongolian. Tall, tiny waist, round hips, protruding uterus, big tits and a face that was all cheekbone. Others thought she was a farmer fit for a plow and a horse. I couldn't believe it.