Post: #26

(12-18-2010 04:02 PM)wolf Wrote:  If she doesn't answer her texts, what kind of voicemail are you suppose to leave so she'll call you back because you know she won't pick up and it will go to voicemail.

My theory is that the txt message is so impersonal, she doesn't feel like she's blowing off an actual person, or she doesn't sense your personality that she liked enough to give you her number to begin with. When you leave a breezy, cool, funny message, she is forced on some level to form a picture of you and your personality.

Post: #27

(12-18-2010 04:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-18-2010 04:02 PM)wolf Wrote:  If she doesn't answer her texts, what kind of voicemail are you suppose to leave so she'll call you back because you know she won't pick up and it will go to voicemail.

My theory is that the txt message is so impersonal, she doesn't feel like she's blowing off an actual person, or she doesn't sense your personality that she liked enough to give you her number to begin with. When you leave a breezy, cool, funny message, she is forced on some level to form a picture of you and your personality.

The bigger problem that I see is girls that you had a class with and you got their phone, she was even all smiles giving you the phone number but the second text she stops replying to you. These bar skanks talk to so many guys a night that the whole night is a blur to them.

Post: #28

(12-18-2010 04:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-18-2010 04:02 PM)wolf Wrote:  If she doesn't answer her texts, what kind of voicemail are you suppose to leave so she'll call you back because you know she won't pick up and it will go to voicemail.

My theory is that the txt message is so impersonal, she doesn't feel like she's blowing off an actual person, or she doesn't sense your personality that she liked enough to give you her number to begin with. When you leave a breezy, cool, funny message, she is forced on some level to form a picture of you and your personality.

Keep in mind also that some girls give out their number with no intention of ever talking to you. I think it's easier for a girl to just give her number when you ask for it rather than deal with the awkward moment that comes with refusing to give it. She simply won't pick up when you call. Back in the late 90s, when a girl gave you her number, it was her house number most the time as cell phones weren't nearly as numerous and you got charged per minute. So if she gave you the number, you could bet it wasn't a flaky number. It's the exact opposite now. That same night I got this girl's number, my boy was at the bar macking it up for about an hour. I was looking at them from across the room. She was smiling and laughing much of the time. He said it went real good. He number closed her. Called her up a few days later never heard back. Texted her just to try once again. No fucking response. And this happens all the time. I don't know what's with girls these days.

Post: #29

ADD mixed with artificially inflated value.

Post: #30

(12-17-2010 03:18 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 10:53 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  As i just posted on another thread, texting sucks for making connections, especially setting up a first date. You should save the contact for when you have an opportunity to talk in person or over the phone.

But in the instance that you already texted her and she didn't respond, you don't want to keep following up with direct texts on the same topic that she didn't respond to before. That's weak behavior and lame and will get you no-where, unless she actually just forgot to text you back, which would be rare.

In this instance, I would work to establish a report with her via text. Just get her to communicate with you about anything. I recommend non-sequiter texting, which I think Roissy has an article about, and if you are good at being direct you can roll this over into direct sexual texting, once she is communicating with you, which will pique her interest for a date. But you probably need some practice and study in being direct before this would work. So, non-sequiter texting to get her into a back and forth communication pattern with you, and then a casual invite for a meet up. This might take several weeks, and is a bit of a long shot. But its probably your only hope as far as texting for a date goes.

Number closes, in general, are low probability plays. I've had women number close me, direct me to call them, and then flake on a date. So, figure that one out. However, I have to state that the last time that happened I tried to set up the date via text. And, not to sound overly-confident, but I was good in my technique in doing so. It didn't matter. Its the medium of communication that was largely to blame, as far as I can figure out. Once she's out of the magic of the moment of that first conversation with you, that feeling is usually lost on her. Texting is emotionless. You have to get her on the phone to remind her of the emotional reward (through whatever style of game that you have) that will come from going on a date with you. Twenty minute conversations mean nothing to women, even if the guy feels a vibe. She might have one of those a night with a guy, each of which whom number closes her.

This is why you have to be good at leaving messages. I always call first, and i know there is a 90% chance it's going to voicemail.

I personally hate facebook, so I don't do that. When I tell a girl I don't have one the girls that are younger 18-21ish seem to be indifferent and the ones that are 22-25 seem to like that I don't have one. 26+ are disappointed but only because they want to see photos....

I always leave messages as well, and you would be suprised at the return calls I get back. I think a lot of times girls are just nervious to answer there phones the first time you call. Always leave a short simple message, basically saying, this is ________ call me back.

Post: #31

Hydro provided an interesting response, but you boys seem to be forgetting to take into account at least one vital factor: her own situation (romantic, or otherwise).

Fretting over this is retarded, and as you have observed, what can feel like good game, and a credible number close, could be as useful as a dog shit. It has nothing to do with you. She might have an ex-boyfriend for whom she still has feelings, or be on her period, or some other random shit that is just bad luck for you, because your timing sucked.

The sad thing about all this PUA crap is that it tends to make you forget you're dealing with people, not dolls. There is no set formula, and this is no science - the same approach will give you different results every time, because people are different. Not just in terms of their character and temperament, but very much also in terms of where they are in their lives. A specific line might get you the number, which leads to the date, which leads to the bang several times over, but how a girl perceives you emotionally will vary from girl to girl.

In some way, we're all hyper-compensating for some kind of insecurity we have by not having control over women in our lives. The PUA industry reflects some pretty deep insecurities in men. Understandable, when you consider it's our genes on the line, and if we're to believe evolutionary pyschology, most men are not intended to even reproduce, yet all of us are designed to do just that. Fact is, we will never have complete control - you can only develop your character to such a degree as to "give others permission" to be nice to you, be the best kind of person they can be, and so forth.

It was a good convo, good vibe, etc., so you like her and want to get her know better. Grab your fucking balls, and go after her. So what if she rejects you? Are you going to cry? Will your dignity shrivel up like your balls?

Text this: "What's up? You already playing hard to get? Nice. Write me." (Courtesy of David DeAngelo).

Post: #32

(12-18-2010 12:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:"I said: "Hey there, it's speakeasy from such and such bar last Saturday. How are you?"

That's not in my guide! In Bang I specifically write NOT to say "it's' steve... from the bar last saturday." This implies you know you are forgettable. Send a simple "Hey erika it's steve.. how are you"

That immediately came to my mind! Never say you're "from the bar" or wherever, unless you're Speakeasy from that orgy last night. I once watched a girl save my name in her phone as CJ from the bar, and I cringed because I knew she wasn't going to reply to my text.


Also as far as Facebook goes, I keep away from that shit for girls I'm trying to bang or banging. I don't want to give them any insight into my life that I haven't spoken to them directly.

Post: #33

I've gotten a few numbers recently from day game. Only one of them was willing to go on a date with me. Then after the date, after I sent another message asking to meet again, she stopped replying. All the other girls either never replied to my initial and follow-up text, or replied to my first one or first few ones, and then stopped replying

I tried calling a few of them, but all of them didn't answer it and didn't call back after I left a voicemail

Post: #34

What would be a safe text to hit up girls you know well and maybe came close to banging to meet up one night when you yourself dont have any plans?
Am talking about more of a 'come lets have a drink' kind of invitation rather than a proper date.

And in this case, what does it mean if she doesnt respond because here, its not really a first date, we already know each other.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Post: #35

"Spaz wed night"

Post: #36

It depends as always.

Quote:Last weekend got a number close on a girl after a solid 20 minute conversation. Sort of a social network situation and we had some common friends though I'd never seen her before. The girl was single and about an 8 or 9 on my scale, everyone was about to leave and getting up, so I went ahead and number closed her. I decided to follow Roosh's text game plan. Well, never made it past round 1 on that one. No response. Which surprised me because we had a pretty good conversation and felt like I was vibing good.

In this particular case from the first post I'd not text her again. It's clear she's not aware of me enough so I need to refresh her memory and do it better next time. I'd get her out through our mutual friends and gamed again. I'd nonchalantly mentioned to them about this one girl I met can come as well.

Post: #37

(11-15-2016 01:21 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  "Spaz wed night"

Haha. Have you found it to work?

Post: #38

(11-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:21 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  "Spaz wed night"

Haha. Have you found it to work?

yea usually a "haha what?" response

Post: #39

(11-16-2016 10:56 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:21 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  "Spaz wed night"

Haha. Have you found it to work?

yea usually a "haha what?" response

And then what do you reply to that? You cant tell her now that it means to get wasted.

Post: #40

When it comes to girls, it's best to adopt an abundance mentality. If you text her and she doesn't text back, keep right on gaming the other girls in your pipeline (no pun intended). Once you've made your way through your stable of spinning plates, you can choose whether or not you want to try again with a "restart text."

I don't see anything wrong with trying a few times to get something going, but after that you'll just look desperate.

Post: #41

(11-17-2016 11:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  When it comes to girls, it's best to adopt an abundance mentality. If you text her and she doesn't text back, keep right on gaming the other girls in your pipeline (no pun intended). Once you've made your way through your stable of spinning plates, you can choose whether or not you want to try again with a "restart text."

I don't see anything wrong with trying a few times to get something going, but after that you'll just look desperate.

What is your restart text? Would it matter if we explicitly mention drinking? On the other hand, it might sound weird to ask her to come over to listen to some music on a friday night.

Maybe just 'Wanna chill?' What has worked best for you?

Cheers

Post: #42

(11-18-2016 07:28 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  When it comes to girls, it's best to adopt an abundance mentality. If you text her and she doesn't text back, keep right on gaming the other girls in your pipeline (no pun intended). Once you've made your way through your stable of spinning plates, you can choose whether or not you want to try again with a "restart text."

I don't see anything wrong with trying a few times to get something going, but after that you'll just look desperate.

What is your restart text? Would it matter if we explicitly mention drinking? On the other hand, it might sound weird to ask her to come over to listen to some music on a friday night.

Maybe just 'Wanna chill?' What has worked best for you?

Cheers

So, before I get into what to say in a restart text, here are some of the most common scenarios you'd be sending a restart text in the first place:

. She flakes on the first date

Like Roosh says, "If a girl flakes on date one then you have a miniscule chance of ever getting her out." It's true. If she can't be bothered to make the first date, you're most likely dead in the water. You can try shooting her a restart text if you want, it doesn't hurt to try but the chances of converting it to a bang are slim-to-none.

. You've hung out before, but she flakes on a subsequent date

People make time for the things that are important to them. If at any point she flakes, it obviously isn't ideal. The real question is whether she's flaking before or after a bang. If it's before, it's not a good sign. Not until you've had sex with a girl at least three times will she "invest" in you in any appreciable way. If it's after, you have a little more leeway for reasons I previously mentioned. Either way, what you should hope to receive in the event a girl must cancel, is for her to make you a counteroffer.

Now before you get too excited, understand there are good and bad kinds of counteroffers. The good kind is generally specific (not open ended) while still seeming to express genuine interest. If she isn't free during the time of your initial suggestion, it's better she recommends another specific day than for her to suggest you two get together "some other time." A vague counteroffer is a bad counteroffer.

As Roosh also says, don't allow a girl to switch your date to an earlier time. If a change in timing must be made, only go for a later time not an earlier one. The last thing you want is for a girl to use you for free dinner/drinks only to "call it an early night" and end up over at some other guy's house later on to fuck him instead.

One way or another, whether you've had the chance to bang her out yet or not, it doesn't hurt to try and send a restart text. It is wise, however, to recognize a restart text for what it is -- a last ditch effort to get something going. When it comes to girls, if you're knocking yourself out trying to make something work, it's probably not worth it. There are far too many chicks out there who will reply to get too caught up worrying about the ones who don't. Having said that, should you find yourself wondering about what to say in a restart text, I make the following suggestions:

. Don't spend too much time worrying about what to say. You'll feel pretty stupid if you spend thirty minutes crafting the "perfect" reply only to never hear back from her. So, don't overthink it.

. Don't make it too simple, something like a "Hey stranger" is too easy to ignore outright. I find it's better if you ask some kind of question.

. Some of the best restart texts, in my opinion, involve inviting her to do something you were already planning on doing. That way, if she wants to join, great! If not, you were still going to have fun anyway.

Post: #43

(11-17-2016 04:25 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 10:56 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:21 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  "Spaz wed night"

Haha. Have you found it to work?

yea usually a "haha what?" response

And then what do you reply to that? You cant tell her now that it means to get wasted.

Or you can. The best game is no game know what I mean.
Depends on what I want to do, check out live music, bake a cake, make food, etc.
Food is usually a good one because everyone's gotta eat. If they give you some weak "i can't" or "i have to be up early" bullshit you can make fun of their weak excuse--everyone's gotta eat.

Post: #44

Yes. Sending a text takes 2 seconds.

I don't send a 3rd, ever.

Post: #45

(11-18-2016 12:18 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 07:28 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  When it comes to girls, it's best to adopt an abundance mentality. If you text her and she doesn't text back, keep right on gaming the other girls in your pipeline (no pun intended). Once you've made your way through your stable of spinning plates, you can choose whether or not you want to try again with a "restart text."

I don't see anything wrong with trying a few times to get something going, but after that you'll just look desperate.

What is your restart text? Would it matter if we explicitly mention drinking? On the other hand, it might sound weird to ask her to come over to listen to some music on a friday night.

Maybe just 'Wanna chill?' What has worked best for you?

Cheers

So, before I get into what to say in a restart text, here are some of the most common scenarios you'd be sending a restart text in the first place:

. She flakes on the first date

Like Roosh says, "If a girl flakes on date one then you have a miniscule chance of ever getting her out." It's true. If she can't be bothered to make the first date, you're most likely dead in the water. You can try shooting her a restart text if you want, it doesn't hurt to try but the chances of converting it to a bang are slim-to-none.

. You've hung out before, but she flakes on a subsequent date

People make time for the things that are important to them. If at any point she flakes, it obviously isn't ideal. The real question is whether she's flaking before or after a bang. If it's before, it's not a good sign. Not until you've had sex with a girl at least three times will she "invest" in you in any appreciable way. If it's after, you have a little more leeway for reasons I previously mentioned. Either way, what you should hope to receive in the event a girl must cancel, is for her to make you a counteroffer.

Now before you get too excited, understand there are good and bad kinds of counteroffers. The good kind is generally specific (not open ended) while still seeming to express genuine interest. If she isn't free during the time of your initial suggestion, it's better she recommends another specific day than for her to suggest you two get together "some other time." A vague counteroffer is a bad counteroffer.

As Roosh also says, don't allow a girl to switch your date to an earlier time. If a change in timing must be made, only go for a later time not an earlier one. The last thing you want is for a girl to use you for free dinner/drinks only to "call it an early night" and end up over at some other guy's house later on to fuck him instead.

One way or another, whether you've had the chance to bang her out yet or not, it doesn't hurt to try and send a restart text. It is wise, however, to recognize a restart text for what it is -- a last ditch effort to get something going. When it comes to girls, if you're knocking yourself out trying to make something work, it's probably not worth it. There are far too many chicks out there who will reply to get too caught up worrying about the ones who don't. Having said that, should you find yourself wondering about what to say in a restart text, I make the following suggestions:

. Don't spend too much time worrying about what to say. You'll feel pretty stupid if you spend thirty minutes crafting the "perfect" reply only to never hear back from her. So, don't overthink it.

. Don't make it too simple, something like a "Hey stranger" is too easy to ignore outright. I find it's better if you ask some kind of question.

. Some of the best restart texts, in my opinion, involve inviting her to do something you were already planning on doing. That way, if she wants to join, great! If not, you were still going to have fun anyway.

(11-18-2016 12:41 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 04:25 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 10:56 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:21 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  "Spaz wed night"

Haha. Have you found it to work?

yea usually a "haha what?" response

And then what do you reply to that? You cant tell her now that it means to get wasted.

Or you can. The best game is no game know what I mean.
Depends on what I want to do, check out live music, bake a cake, make food, etc.
Food is usually a good one because everyone's gotta eat. If they give you some weak "i can't" or "i have to be up early" bullshit you can make fun of their weak excuse--everyone's gotta eat.

What if you are just feeling bored and its like 9pm on a friday night and you would just like to have a drink with her?

Is "up for a drink?" too direct? This is for girls who we have met but not banged yet.

Post: #46

No such thing as too direct at 9pm on a Friday with a girl you've met.

Post: #47

yeah definitely not too direct, though i'd try to phrase as few things as possible in question format. Instead of "up for a drink?" I'd say "I'm bored, come grab a drink at x bar" Although I also would use that line on a weekday night and not a weekend night. Most girls would probably find it strange that you don't have plans late on a weekend night.

Another thing you can do is say you're already at the bar and she should come by. if she's down then you go. say you were with coworkers that just peaced out or whatever.

Post: #48

If a guy ever knows how it feels to be like when girl pursue you, he will stop worrying about '' what to text next.. should i send second or third text... '' bla bla bla.... accept it or not but girls are the ones who makes selection. Average guys rarely have girls texting him aggressively whole day. But average girl has atleast 5 guy chasing her whole day. If she wants to meet you or get to know you better, she will find a way.

I had a girl chasing me once asked me "what happened to ur gf which you were hanging out from school exit time to 17:00.." you see? she just researched my past relationships... way back to grade school! its extreme thing but im trying to say just drop connection if she has no interest... spend your time on meeting and approaching other women rather than sittting and thinking... what should i text.. what should i text..

Keep getting girls number until you find a girl who is into you af..

Don't even time to think about texting a girl who is fantasizing blowing another badboy dude.

There are 3.500.000.000 (3.5 BILLION) womyn out there.

PEACE.

Post: #49

(11-19-2016 07:49 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  What if you are just feeling bored and its like 9pm on a friday night and you would just like to have a drink with her?

Is "up for a drink?" too direct? This is for girls who we have met but not banged yet.

Wargasm is right 100%. It's not direct and it is at the same time. Any girl willing to meet at 9pm knows that sex is on the table. But meeting up for drinks has plausible deniability. Also stay away from question asking--stick to statements.

Quote:"I'm bored, come grab a drink at x bar"

is money although I tend to stay away from using any "boredom" words in my personal game.

Gotta remember that girls smell fugazi shit a mile away. TBH you want to fuck this girl so don't play like you don't know that i mean? Its all about congruency for me--I'm awesome so I don't want to come across as a guy thats "bored" and girls don't want "bored" either.

I'm awesome, she likes awesome guys:
Me: "9pm tomorro drinks"
If you've met and she's interested she will agree if not she's not interested and you next her. Next day txt her asking for her address or give her yours--you always drive. So your answer is how would you, or the you you want to become, send a simple text that is non-needy, provides direction, and givers her all the info to answer yes or no. Maybe my game is crude--I don't know I'm still learning like all of us--but that tends to work for me. I do get my fair share of flakes tho, can't get mad at fish for swimming.

I typically tell them to come to my place.
I'll drive.
3 drinks.
run my cake game (3/3 success rate ).
Go for the kill. #MambaMentality

The key about meeting at your place is it presents the option that they can leave at anytime if they feel uncomfortable.

Also another restart text that works is "looks like I'm breaking up with you". Its getting responses but I'm still discovering how to play it correctly.

My last interaction via tinder:

Me: looks like I'm breaking up with you.
her: what! why??
me:you didn't respond and relationships are all about communication :/
her: I'm sorry babe!
me: gtg wild for the night drop your number and ill txt ya later
*radio silence*

Post: #50

The whole waiting game thing doesn't work as well anymore. The attention span of a girl is zilch there days, especially when she's got a long que of thirsty guys on her phone. She won't miss or wonder about you, unless you had a stellar initial interaction. I say wait 2 days MAX or she'll forget about you.