I tried to write balance. I do not limit my self, I stand in the storm of "arguments" my whole life. I just say, as you did, those people are our enemies and not worth to discuss with because they either can't or want to see the bigger picture. I just said that in my life I get into contact with many people and sometimes the certain topic jumps up. I do not shy away but I know also I'm not there to convince the heretic.
People have already chosen sides, if they know or not. No one is innocent.

I have a hell of a lot more respect for Americans than I do for Western Europeans. While some might fight back when the civil war comes, too many are simply bred to become victims. They don't even see it coming, it's sad.

This is why Obama and his globalist gang are hell bent on getting guns off Americans: they know that civil war will only go one way with the native population armed. Europe is first because we have no guns. How many mass shootings under Dubya compared to Obama? I can't believe there's not an agenda there.

I feel like most of the guys here are like the men here:



While this is the majority of the European population:


titled: "That is the reason why we hate you!"

or they like this:



or

propaganda vs reality:





We know what's coming. We can only just observe what is happening and at best motivate the RVF neomasculine community to vote for the best shitlords in the various countries.

French, Austrian, German elections are coming soon. Europe and the US will shift ever further right - right ready before the big war according to my calculations. a

(11-12-2016 02:09 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  I have a hell of a lot more respect for Americans than I do for Western Europeans. While some might fight back when the civil war comes, too many are simply bred to become victims. They don't even see it coming, it's sad.

This is why Obama and his globalist gang are hell bent on getting guns off Americans: they know that civil war will only go one way with the native population armed. Europe is first because we have no guns. How many mass shootings under Dubya compared to Obama? I can't believe there's not an agenda there.

Europeans are not nearly as disarmed as usually claimed, problem is that its mostly hunting rifles and not handguns or assault rifles.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48360...pid1443586



A Swedish famous chef beaten up by Muslims for looking like Trump.

Posted in on the main Trump forum.

http://endtimemanna.org/magnusson/Data/N...hecies.pdf

This absolutely looks like generic conspiracy stuff. But I looked up this "Siener van Rensburg" and he seems an interesting character, several books written about him and his predictions, actually mentions European being overran by immigrants. Maybe Zel has a better idea and has read about this before.

From what I read, and though some details seem interesting and accurate, it is generally very wild and odd to believe, I mean, UK selling out millitary secrets because they're afraid Russians will nuke them? And many other weird statements. Sorry to waste your time with conspiracy stuff but I guess it can be an entertaining read.

(11-12-2016 10:31 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  http://endtimemanna.org/magnusson/Data/N...hecies.pdf

This absolutely looks like generic conspiracy stuff. But I looked up this "Siener van Rensburg" and he seems an interesting character, several books written about him and his predictions, actually mentions European being overran by immigrants. Maybe Zel has a better idea and has read about this before.

From what I read, and though some details seem interesting and accurate, it is generally very wild and odd to believe, I mean, UK selling out millitary secrets because they're afraid Russians will nuke them? And many other weird statements. Sorry to waste your time with conspiracy stuff but I guess it can be an entertaining read.

This is what I would not even call conspiracy, because that at least is often found to be created after some theory, plan that the elite actually toyed with or even truth.

That is just a psychic prophecy. In addition it is versed in poetic terms that have to be interepreted. Psychics are no accurate than if any Joe from the the street made an educated wild guess. Anyone with 3 wits about him could make a bunch of predictions, make it sound vague and then would be vindicated by some while his failures would be forgotten or forgiven.

So no - unless that person can predict in detail lottery numbers and stock exchange data to the exact T and date, then I give no credence to any poetically versed prediction. If you meet such a person then you may listen to him - otherwise forget about it!

Independence day for Poland - created mostly the last time Poland was recreated during WWI, but look at the hero chosen for the march:



They picked Sobieski who fought back against the Muslims.

http://newobserveronline.com/75000-polis...-invasion/









75.000 demonstrated in Warsaw alone - a town of 1,5 mio. (in the vicinity there are almost 4 mio., but most would not bother to drive into the city).

Still - Poland will remain the safest country for the next years not letting any non-assimilating groups rape and pillage with impunity.

Maybe, just maybe Germans will vote for AfD in a big scale like Americans did for Trump. Even beside the polls. Many are against the politics that Merkel do. Most Germans don't live in the big cities so they are out of the direct impacts but they worry. The fear to be called a racist and Islamophobic is still strong. So thats why many don't speak in public about their true opinions nor do big demonstrations. The social climate don't allow this.
When we see people that are pro refugees its the journalist in their sect class. 96% of journalist in the USA had be pro Hilary. 86 % of Journalist had be pro refugees. Be a journalist these days means you have a certain view on the world. Then you check other media and they all agree with you. Its like a cult. Only surrounded by similar people till 2+2 = 5. Everyone around you say so. Then you carry the moral superior attitude. You dominate the public opinion. Those who don't agree with you "don't get it". The brave new world. They are backward, ignorant, racist, islamophobic, uneducated, economical losers.

Germans get a lot of blame here but never forget it was the media that created the positive vibes and it had just a few people that fully went 1000 % refugee welcome. Every critical voice was silent with the racist drums. A lot of Germans support deportation, border control and that we should not take everyone. Still "our" politics do otherwise in support of the media.
Look at me. I don't protest, I'm not political active. I write here, have some talks with people. Keep my eyes open. I do not rise my voice in public so far. I'm the silent minority. So when we have elections, there it will truly show. Don't trust the polls where they put down the AfD or so because many will not dare to speak honest about their opinion. We see at the election day like the Americans.

These days I did a short walk in Salzburg to explore the city. Live a little outside. Seen many arab men walk around. Gypsies. Also other tourist, plenty of Asians and Indians. I never think twice about Indians or Asians. But gypsies and arabs? It rise something negative inside me.

I agree with Parzival.
What if the AfD is getting more "closet" votes like Trump did?
Germany can be a heavy peer sanction culture so going publicly against the narrative could result in negative effects for an individual's reputation that would quickly impact in their daily life.

Here in spain the MSm refers to the AfD as an "extremist" party and often are put in the same level or in league with white supremacist/neo-nazi groups.
I wouldnt trust any MSM european news network for reliable statistical data

(11-13-2016 01:34 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  I agree with Parzival.
What if the AfD is getting more "closet" votes like Trump did?
Germany can be a heavy peer sanction culture so going publicly against the narrative could result in negative effects for an individual's reputation that would quickly impact in their daily life.

Here in spain the MSm refers to the AfD as an "extremist" party and often are put in the same level or in league with white supremacist/neo-nazi groups.
I wiuldnt trust any MSM european news network for reliable statistical data

Everyone is far right - Breitbart, ReturnOfKings, Rebel Media, Trump, AFD - everyoe is far right or "populist" - hate monger. Any critique of Islam is Islamophobia and every critique of large gypsie populations making hell for the locals - that is xenophobia.

Salzburg is a beautiful city and expensive to live there. Don't know how the Arabs and Gypsies can afford it.

In Hungary the anti-immigration referendum flaundered because of the opposition of one party which also wanted to ban wealthy Western and Chinese immigrants from buying property in Hungary. Of course Orban was opposed to that, because what kind of moron would fight against well-off Germans or Chinese buying up Hungarian property. Sure - it may suck somewhat if you have to live there, but usually it's not urban appartments like in London, but rather houses in the countryside close to some lake. Generally a country profits if wealthy folk invest money. That is why I am so pessimistic about real change. The globalist elite can easily sidetrack any popular movement - they can buy off almost anyone even if some powers get elected. And by my estimate Europe and US will only turn nationalistic right before WW3 - so perfectly on time.

AFD will win more than 15%, but I doubt that it will go up to 30%. Most Germans will believe some more anti-immigration rhetoric. Austrians don't trust the ruling party at all despite massive anti-rapefugees words uttered. They simply don't and will elect the bigger shitlords in to see whether those guys change something (and even that is not certain).

(11-13-2016 01:46 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Salzburg is a beautiful city and expensive to live there. Don't know how the Arabs and Gypsies can afford it.

Because I pay taxes.

The way an old gypsy woman begs,that is,from 8 to 12(possible pause or position change with a replacement) onwards to 18/20 hs (depending on traffic and sunlight hours) she can easily make 70 to more than a 100 euros on a good/standard day in "richer" countries like Germany,Austria,Switzerland or in Scandinavia.
If they are not in some sort of government/charity housing plan chances are they have a camp somewhere close or in a city park so not many tax expenses. They move in clans with abler males engaging in street performance/busking activities,many times these can also be the "alphas" who occupy a pimp sort of hierarchy post,collecting from the beggars.

In brief,one group can rake in a pretty hefty amount of cash daily

Hi guys. made a post in the Soros thread Post #17: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-59301...pid1444350

I figured this had relevance to this thread and its content but as we all know, Soros is practically everywhere like a Bond villain. If they attack news sources for the majority of people what effect will this have?

(11-13-2016 07:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Independence day for Poland - created mostly the last time Poland was recreated during WWI, but look at the hero chosen for the march:

http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/...poster.jpg

They picked Sobieski who fought back against the Muslims.

http://newobserveronline.com/75000-polis...-invasion/

https://youtu.be/ca-CbGOSQAs

http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/...elcome.jpg

http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/...-crowd.jpg

75.000 demonstrated in Warsaw alone - a town of 1,5 mio. (in the vicinity there are almost 4 mio., but most would not bother to drive into the city).

Still - Poland will remain the safest country for the next years not letting any non-assimilating groups rape and pillage with impunity.

This is reassuring to see.

However, there is still a bad thing happening, namely the EU. 1000s of Polish are still moving to England(rarely do they go to Scotland or Wales). Just as capital outflow can harm an economy, labour outflow can harm a society. At least here(RVF) we are aware of these concepts. The Eastern European members of the EU who joined sometime after 2000(2004?) have been hit hard.

I've mentioned it here before but I've met numerous Eastern Europeans with multiple degrees, Masters, PhDs etc who are doing menial job in England because it pays better than anything they can get at home. Lithuania has lost 12% of it's population to the EU, 1 in 6 people. It's natural for people to want to improve their situation, but the financial iniquity in the EU is going to cause problems. The poorer countries will find it harder when their brightest and keenest people leave.

Added with that is the obvious spread of degenerate values from Western Europe which cause the breakdown of successful traditional values.

While the rise of nationalism is a good thing, we must remember there is still a long way to go.

I get that America wants immigrants out of their lands. But will American soldiers leave the Middle East? I mean completely. Will America stop their global meddling?

(11-13-2016 10:25 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  This is reassuring to see.

However, there is still a bad thing happening, namely the EU. 1000s of Polish are still moving to England(rarely do they go to Scotland or Wales). Just as capital outflow can harm an economy, labour outflow can harm a society. At least here(RVF) we are aware of these concepts. The Eastern European members of the EU who joined sometime after 2000(2004?) have been hit hard.

I've mentioned it here before but I've met numerous Eastern Europeans with multiple degrees, Masters, PhDs etc who are doing menial job in England because it pays better than anything they can get at home. Lithuania has lost 12% of it's population to the EU, 1 in 6 people. It's natural for people to want to improve their situation, but the financial iniquity in the EU is going to cause problems. The poorer countries will find it harder when their brightest and keenest people leave.

Added with that is the obvious spread of degenerate values from Western Europe which cause the breakdown of successful traditional values.

While the rise of nationalism is a good thing, we must remember there is still a long way to go.

The reason for the exodus is simple. The unemployment rate in Poland was 20%+ in the 1990s and even early 2000s. Now it is about 10%-15%.

The economic system chosen by the "reformers" like Balczerowicz was created within the usual neo-classical economic expoloitation procedure. They could have easily picked a different exchange currency and wages would be 4 times higher than they are now. They implemented a few ok reforms, but then decided to rape the people, close productive factories, open tariffs willy-nilly. Western companies often went in and bought manufacturing companies only to close them a few weeks later - that was a simple mechanism of getting rid of competition. The same thing happened in Eastern Germany. Some of the Eastern German companies produced high quality products that lasted decades.

But that is a more elaborate discussion - my personal economic model starts with interest free money for the state, interest free money for self-used real estate (based on rational available income) and then goes from there using a liberal free market anti-trust economy in tandem with strong labor unions that represent the workers. 80% of folk need unions to represent them or they end up getting exploited. I and other folk like many RVF members could fend for themselves, but being born with above average intellegence or other above average skills is not applicable to the general population. Besides - interest free money would already create full employment.

If we added the suppressed technologies that exist out there, then we would have such a high standard of living at 30% of the cost, that I don't even know exactly how advanced our world would be. The sky is the limit.

But instead we have a world where the debt squeeze will never be repaid and is being used to keep the 0,001% at the top - meanwhile they fight using all means to suppress plenty of technologies - of course never mentioning alternative monetery system as if they never existed. Yeah - the British Greenshirts never existed and so never did Austria's Woergl - heck the Austrian & Bavarian governments threatened military use against 500 towns who wanted to implement additional interst-free currencies based on Woergl's method in the 1930s. They literally threatened to shoot common citizens after one town reduced unemployment from 20% to 0% within 2 years with such added interest free currency (right in the middle of a worldwide economic recession I might add)!

So of course the Eastern Europeans move to the West. It is not an advantage to the Brits and Germans. Though the countries could probably stomach that more easily than the Muslim immigration which results in 80% net unemployment and various added difficulties. But of course - given the same methods then most Muslim countries would be highly prosperous as well. That would leave them to cope with their own problems on their own.

Instead they transport it here:

http://www.thelocal.at/20151124/girl-gan...inner-hall

Quote:
Girl 'gang raped' in school dinner hall

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Quote: 15-year-old girl has told police that she was gang raped in her school in Graz - and that several of her fellow students saw it happening and did nothing to stop it.


Hansjörg Bacher, spokesman for the Graz prosecutor, told the Austria Press Agency that the alleged attack took place in May in the dining room of a secondary middle school.

Six boys allegedly dragged the screaming girl across the school yard and into the dinner hall. Several other students, boys and girls, reportedly saw them rape her but did nothing to stop them.

Students said that the girl’s screams could be heard in nearby classrooms but that teachers did not come out to investigate. The girl was reportedly told off when she arrived to her class late.

It was only months later - after the boys who attacked her had graduated from the school - that the girl told teachers that she was being bullied and when they questioned her more closely she told them she had been raped.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...um=twitter

It is a little wonder that the fuckers did get charged:

Quote:Initially the 15-year-old victim was too scared and ashamed to talk about what had happened to her, but she did confide in a new teacher months after the abuse had happened. Police initially investigated 20 students and finally charged six teenagers with rape, sexual coercion, bodily injury and obstruction of justice.

The schoolgirl said that she was groped and assaulted in the school’s medical room. She said that two of the boys raped her and the others threatened to punish her if she told anyone, and had held the doors shut so that she couldn’t escape.

One of the six suspects was found not guilty as it couldn’t be proved that he was involved in the abuse. The main suspect was convicted of two counts of rape and sentenced to 24 months, eight of which can be served outside of prison. The only suspect who confessed to the crimes received a one year conditional sentence. The other three boys received sentences of between three and ten months

And people wonder why 50% of Austrians would vote an open anti-Immigration anti-Islam party?

When your daughter can be dragged kicking and screaming to another room to be gang-raped while teachers listen to her screams, what does this tell of the glories of diversity?

I understand why those guys did it based on their mentality which is rooted in Islam and excuses those kinds of things, but this does not make it better.

(11-13-2016 10:48 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I get that America wants immigrants out of their lands. But will American soldiers leave the Middle East? I mean completely. Will America stop their global meddling?

Americans are not responsible for any of those things. Globalists will continue doing it using the American system.

Americans however are responsible for creating a disciplined highly prosperous nation and economy. The Japanese and Germans are alse responsible for that because you need many many hard working intelligent citizens when doing that.

Middle East and Africa looks the way it does not only because of Western meddling. A lot of it is endemic to their backwards culture. Though globalists do meddle a lot, but there is a level of self-responsibility that cannot be denied here.

This is magnificent data, Zel!
Would It br possible to find more info on tyr Woergel method/s?

On the a school rape:
More fuel to feed the fire...

(11-14-2016 02:40 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  This is magnificent data, Zel!
Would It br possible to find more info on tyr Woergel method/s?

On the a school rape:
More fuel to feed the fire...

This is an excellent site by a prominent Dutch monetary reformer. He is currently starting an interest free currency in the EU that will be exchangable to the Euro:

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201...henomenon/

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/int...economics/

Plenty of links on that site. But other people came to the same conclusions.

As an economist when I came upon the data I accepted it pretty fast as a superior model. In the past I was a neoclassical first (from my university education), then I became a libertarian (due to influence by alternative media), then as I researched it more I realized that libertarianism is an elaborate trap too. Thus an interest free monetary system with free market economy, low flat taxes and strong unions and tariffs is the best system. Frankly most countries under that system would need zero taxes - only tariffs would be sufficient - it is that powerful.

Are we sure those were actual children and not full grown adults or much older than her? (18-19 year olds). They get away with it here in Britain so in Europe they are definitely avoiding being labelled as adults.

(11-13-2016 10:48 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I get that America wants immigrants out of their lands. But will American soldiers leave the Middle East? I mean completely. Will America stop their global meddling?

If it isn't America, it will be China or Russia or some regional power.

There will always be someone exerting power in that region. Where the US went wrong was being "nice" and not being a brutal power putting down any insurrection whenever it happens.

(11-14-2016 02:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 10:48 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I get that America wants immigrants out of their lands. But will American soldiers leave the Middle East? I mean completely. Will America stop their global meddling?

Americans are not responsible for any of those things. Globalists will continue doing it using the American system.

Americans however are responsible for creating a disciplined highly prosperous nation and economy. The Japanese and Germans are alse responsible for that because you need many many hard working intelligent citizens when doing that.

Middle East and Africa looks the way it does not only because of Western meddling. A lot of it is endemic to their backwards culture. Though globalists do meddle a lot, but there is a level of self-responsibility that cannot be denied here.

I strongly support Europe and the States trying to preserve their cultural identity. I think i support it more than 99% of Europeans.

However, the same political red pill that many have swallowed when they found out how deep the scheming goes on in their internal politics, must be swallowed about international politics as well.

The middle east is largely shaped like it is because of western scheming. You can say that its the locals fault for not fighting it, or wisening up to it, yes. Just as it is the Europeans fault for not wisening up (yet at least) to what is being done to Europe.

But this region has been specifically targeted to weaken it and divide it using whatever means necessary and this is centuries old.

Yes divisions existed before but they did everywhere. The modern problems here if not created by the west have been strongly encouraged by it (when i say west i say the powers that have been controlling it).

From the Balfour promise to the Sykes Picot arrangement that divided the region specifically in ways to make tribes and sects at odds with eachother and ensure Israel would not face a strong foe.

To combatting all the panarab secular movements that threatened to create a strong state that crushes religious extremism.

To using and basically creating modern islamic jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan, then in Bosnia.

To being the primary sponsors and protectors of the Wahhabi regimes that are basically the driving force of islamic radicalism (all the mosques that create terrorists can be traced back to qatar and saudi funding, whose regimes are the closest US allies in the region).

To continuing to promote and support islamic jihad in Syria.

To invading Iraq and Libya and sparking a what was planned to be sunni shiite civil war on Irans doorstep.


Look at many Middle east countries in the 60s.

Beirut was basically Monaco, Egypts president was making fun of islam in ways that would get you locked up in America today, etc...

This region isnt destined to be this way forever. Its forced to be.

^ Yes - I agree. The globalists did all that.

But you have to admit that it is easier doing that when the population is 80-IQ and highly violent and divisive via verious sects of Islam.

The Shah of Persia was an excellent example of that as was his predecessor. Essentially you would need a smart strongman for a long time to reform those states and push Islam far far back with an iron stick.

The reason why Israel works better than the rest - also to the Muslim Arabs living within the state of Israel - is the much higher intellegence and discipline of the general population. IQ can be improved, but not very quickly.

Jews have bred themselves to a higher IQ over hundreds of years, are they superior to Whites now? In that respect yes, but Whites could do the same. There is some research out there that claims that high society can only be created after an IQ of 90+. Who knows - it may be even true. The Middle ages were also so dark because most of the population in Europe was undernourished. And the Middle East is low IQ because they keep marrying their fucking family since Mohammed and his kin went ahead and did it themselves. As for Africans - their IQ can rise as well as many globalists even understood over 100 years ago. Some of them were super-smart as well, but most of them were bred not for smarts. With clever Ashkenazi-like breeding program they could quickly rise 20-30 points within 2-3 generations. The gap between Whites and Ashkenazi is about as high as between American blacks and American whites - 15 points. But maybe 90 is the beginning of a higher civilization (there are other factors like attitudes, work ethics, religion, stable male-female family etc.).

The Chinese only wallowed in their misery since they were left with a super-crappy communist system and no one can work that shit - even a 140-IQ population cannot. They will succeed, plus their work ethic is high.

Over time I also see the Indians going highly k-select. There are still many backwards rural places and the belief in the caste system is highly negative, but you can see Indians going forward step by step. And mark my words - they will be someday a highly advanced tribe because even now I see their k-selection quickening. They will be like a giant tribe of k-selected nerds. But that will take generations and by then China will be the main superpower.

As much as you can admire the power of the Ashkenazi Jews - they will not be able to fully control the ethnocentric Chinese. But of course neither the White nor the Jewish tribe will be completely gone. Though some white countries will likely disappear in the coming wars and migration scams going on.

So - rant over - responsibility begins at home. Is Saudi Arabia or Qatar a masterpiece of ingenuity? Nah - they use their immense wealth to shit on whores and are still inbred at rates of 40-50%. What happens when the oil is gone or technology stops needing it? Yeah - back to the tents it is. What happens to the Chinese or the Indians then? They march on unfazed forward. And the same will happen to the remaining White states and Israel. I hope some secular ex-Muslim states like Persia will remain and not everything will be smoldering ruins, but we will see - fingers crossed.

Zel, this reminds me a lot of the book modern eugenics and jewish eugenics.
Anyone familiar with these?