Good points Onto.

(11-03-2016 07:47 PM)Buluwa Wrote:  If you are from any other country like UK, AU, or Canada, you will be in paradise.
There will be a sea of ever growing number of women(population is kinda of like exploding still) and plummeting foreigner numbers. More women by the day, far less foreiners. Anyone who does stay behind will get swamped in pussy.

Anyone here NOT from the US?

Well...crap. I'm just going to tell all those girls I'm from Canada too. Like, take off, eh. You hoser. What are these Americans all aboot anyway? Wanna come back to my condo and try on my toque?

I'm here now. Who wants to get fucked up and party tonight?

(11-03-2016 10:58 PM)Jason55 Wrote:  Good points Onto.

(11-03-2016 07:47 PM)Buluwa Wrote:  If you are from any other country like UK, AU, or Canada, you will be in paradise.
There will be a sea of ever growing number of women(population is kinda of like exploding still) and plummeting foreigner numbers. More women by the day, far less foreiners. Anyone who does stay behind will get swamped in pussy.

Anyone here NOT from the US?

Well...crap. I'm just going to tell all those girls I'm from Canada too. Like, take off, eh. You hoser. What are these Americans all aboot anyway? Wanna come back to my condo and try on my toque?

Anyways, it is not so much about girls perception as it is about visa formalities. If you are from Canada or AU you will continue to be free and enjoy the Philippines even more. If you are from USA, you might get stuck over the visa thing.

Visa process has been quite straight forward though. But if they make visa daunting on a reciprocal basis like how Brazil and USA are, that visa barrier will keep out a lot of travelers.

This will NEVER happen. It would be financial suicide.

Ok here's a question that I don't think has been covered here: how often do the girls here have their father's first name as their own first name? I met up with a Filipina who's name is Joe (yes I know that Jo can be a woman's name), and she said that plenty of girls here are named after their fathers and have guy names. Is this true or is this some sort of ladyboy deception? I don't think she's a ladyboy based on appearance but I don't want to find out after taking her home...

I have noticed Filipinas often use a combination of names, sometimes as many as four in a row. And yes sometimes one of those is their fathers name. And the order and inclusion of the names seems to change as well. Noticed this on facebook. So which is their first name? Who knows, I think it is whatever they are in the mood for at the time. The thing about ladyboys is it seems at least they are honest. Meaning if you ask them they will tell you. If your worried about insulting them when you ask, try to make a joking conversation about ladyboys. Say sometimes you can't tell the difference at first, make it funny. They will usually fess up. I've had them tell me right away, and even apologize that they were one. (this was online through pictures, it has to be easier in person to tell...)

(11-03-2016 04:27 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 05:47 PM)username Wrote:  There is a meme going around the Philippines that the United States "exploits" the Philippines and Filipinos.

I asked how is the United States doing that and they said well Duterte says so it must be true.

Duterte is hell bent on destroying the positive relationship between the Philippines and the United States because he was denied a visa decades ago.

That's certainly part of it. It's my understanding he needed that visa to visit his girlfriend in the US. Imagine his frustration knowing he couldn't see her while she was surrounded (and probably being pounded) by all those Americans. And then those Americans come to the Philippines and continue their banging of his women.

I think he also has a more practical reason. He kept the US military out of Davao so his citizens would become reliant on him and his family for security and improvements. The US could've done a great job there as they did in Zamboagna but that would undermine Duterte's influence, status and power.

And being able to have Death squads at your disposal is a very powerful thing.

He's doing the same thing he did in Davao, but on a National level. He recently said something to the effect that he couldn't do much about the US when he was just a Mayor, though he did keep him out of his city.

Now he can and has a huge ax to grind and that guy doesn't let go of a grudge, from what's been said by those who know him.

I doubt the visa requirement for US citizens will push through.
Also, Duterte might be a loudmouth but he has valid reasons to be wary of the US govt.

2002 May 16. An explosion from a room in Evergreen Hotel (Davao City) damaged parts of the hotel and mangled the legs of an American "treasure hunter" Michael Terrence Meiring, who was occupying that room. The American was taken by members of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation from a hospital and flew him back to the US. This angered Mayor Duterte who slammed the US for interfering in the investigation.

2003 March 4. The old Davao International Airport in Sasa was bombed late afternoon. An explosive was planted in a waiting shed, killing 22 and injuring 155 others around that area.

The bombing happened in the height of national debate on the United States role in the Philippines in its war on terror. Later in October, US President George W. Bush visited the Philippines and firmed up an support for an anti-terror campaign in Mindanao, which was widely protested by peace advocates.

2003 April 2. Barely a month after the airport bombing, another explosion hit the entrance of the Sasa Wharf seaport, killing 16 and injuring 45 others.

“It was early in the morning when [former US Ambassador to the Philippines Francis] Ricciardone flew here and met with me in a hotel here. He assured me then that they will conduct an investigation regarding the Meiring incident. Yet since then, the US government failed to fully explain to me how come they violated our sovereign right to prosecute Meiring who committed a crime here in our city,” Duterte said in an interview with CNN in 2011.

“When a bomb exploded at the airport and followed by another explosion at the wharf several months after the hotel explosion that injured Meiring, that was when I started suspecting that the US could have had a hand in the said explosions,” he added, referring to the March 2003 explosion at the Davao International Airport which was followed a month later by another explosion in the Sasa wharf."

http://www.businessinsider.com/rodridog-...?r=UK&IR=T


Let's hope this really does cool down Duterte.

I like Duterte and DJT for much the same reasons, risky as they are.

We know the Philippines is a pussy paradise. To me it is the world's preeminent such paradise, although that is open for debate. I work in a field where I can take jobs in a variety of countries. Imagine that I had a chance of living in the Philippines but that my salary would be less--perhaps so much less that I would have little chance of saving for retirement. Have any of you had a chance to live in the PI, whether through starting a business, working remotely etc.? How much would it be worth it to you? Would you effectively pay 10k/year to live there? 20k? 50k?

I know it depends on what the other alternative is and a host of other variables. I'm not sure what they are because I'm not actually faced with this decision, but it is interesting to think about.

Dan,

I advise you pick up the book "The 4 Hour Work Week" by Tim Ferris. Lots of good information in there.

Most pertinent to your question though is the concept of "mini-retirements", basically, vacations throughout your life that last months or years, instead of one long retirement at the end of your life.

Pick up a used copy for about 8 bucks and give it a read. It will change your life.

To the previous guy or to anyone thinking about retiring here, starting a business, or anything like that... here's my opinion. With the way things are right now, and as someone who brought $100,000+ to invest in the Philippines and recently got out, I would say don't do it.

First things first, for me (and feel free to disagree), the Philippines isn't exactly a pussy paradise anymore. It was, but the glory days are over. I think everyone who was here pre-2014 (and maybe even until 2015) would agree. Just personally I can say that the number of beautiful Filipinas that were more or less offering themselves to me was unbelievable. I was spoiled for years. But things were deteriorating right up until I left and the people I kept in my social circle didn't hear the end of it. With that said, I recommend visiting but nothing more.

If you're a humble modest guy willing to stay under the radar, you can still visit the Philippines and spend your dollars there as many do. In general, I recommend guys do a bit of traveling, spending some money, and living it up.

But if you're thinking about living here long term and building an actual life in the Philippines, I think right now with Duterte in charge seems like the worst time ever to get your feet wet in these waters. Life means nothing to this guy.

Keep in mind the Philippines was and still is very much like the wild wild west. I can't even tell you how many stares I got from men who thought I was only in the country to fuck their women, and every now and then I would get a death threat for sleeping with someone's wife/girlfriend/mistress. I've gotten a fucking death threat for not showing up to a date (not my fault, she was over two hours late).

The difference now is that people can actually shoot you in a dark alley for whatever reason and put a "Pusher Ako" sign on your body and you'll get written off as a bystander in the drug war. It doesn't matter if you're involved in drugs or not. That's the unfortunate reality of the Philippines right now.

I think many will say it won't happen to you as long as you don't ruffle anyone's feathers but really it can happen to anyone. A good friend of mine was kidnapped, shot in the head twice, body dumped on the street a number of years back, for something very trivial, and this was back when things were "normal."

Now that I look back at it, I feel immensely fortunate to have gotten out with my life, my money, and half of my health in check (a few years of non-stop partying will wreck your body I've come to learn). Honestly there are some days when I wake up thinking I won the goddamn lottery.

But again, that's just my opinion. Some of my good friends are still in the country and I worry for them but I take solace in the fact that they've been settled in for years and have long-term girlfriends or wives. Anyone else, just know that there are real risks involved now and not a lot of upside. The Philippines now is no longer the same Philippines that we once knew.

What gets me is that when people talk about Duerte, it reminds me of how liberals talk about Trump. Like he's going to just start rounding everyone he doesn't like (Muslims, Chinese, Mexicans, whatever) into interment camps or something.

It's just not fucking realistic. It does not fit reality.

People keep talking about the way the "vibe" has changed. Ok. So what, specifically, has made things "unsafe"? I've never been, so I'm not calling anyone a liar, but frankly, to an outsider it sounds just as silly as the liberals fantasy of painting Trump like an evil warmonger.

Has Duterte done anything SPECIFICALLY to hurt Americans or any particular American citizen? Is there an actual, real, tangible thing anyone can point out? Or is he just a blow-hard who talks tough? Trump talks a lot of shit, but we're not afraid of him. Do you think we should be?

(11-19-2016 01:20 AM)John_Galt Wrote:  What gets me is that when people talk about Duerte, it reminds me of how liberals talk about Trump. Like he's going to just start rounding everyone he doesn't like (Muslims, Chinese, Mexicans, whatever) into interment camps or something.

It's just not fucking realistic. It does not fit reality.

People keep talking about the way the "vibe" has changed. Ok. So what, specifically, has made things "unsafe"? I've never been, so I'm not calling anyone a liar, but frankly, to an outsider it sounds just as silly as the liberals fantasy of painting Trump like an evil warmonger.

Has Duterte done anything SPECIFICALLY to hurt Americans or any particular American citizen? Is there an actual, real, tangible thing anyone can point out? Or is he just a blow-hard who talks tough? Trump talks a lot of shit, but we're not afraid of him. Do you think we should be?

I think it's better to say "foreigner" instead of "American" since you get no pass for being American.

Damien Berg (Australian) was framed by the police earlier this year. If it weren't for the CCTV footage he would've rotted in a jail for life.

Damien Berg Story

Damien Berg talks about his experience

Many Pinay's have some local boyfriend they are cheating on with you. Many know many bad people.

There are tons of stories over the past decades of foreigners (short-term and long-term) getting killed.

Duterte is different than Trump in that he's had over 4,000 of his citizens killed "in the name of drugs." In my opinion it's all about wiping out threats to one's consolidation of absolute power. Just like he did in Davao.

Paul B is saying it was always bad, but now it's worse because the guy who kills you can just say you were dealing drugs. Even plant some on you and he'll get a merit badge from Duterte.

There are other ex-pat forums that are dedicated to life in the Philippines. Those forums have an immense amount of knowledge and I would recommend reading them to get a more complete picture of the place.

@John. Have you ever lived/visited a place with death squads? When extrajudicial killings are advocated from the highest levels everyone feels the effects and society will change because of it. The problem with what Duterte is doing is there is not an actual enemy (concerning drugs) that he can eradicate he's just creating an environment where he's the only one to save them. From the pinay's I've spoken with they haven't changed considerably but they have become concerned about where this is going. These are people with money and privilege.

If there is no criminal justice system for the privileged then there surely isn't one for the poor. The Damien Berg story is common place for regular people, even a former mayor was shot and killed in jail a couple weeks ago. Places/people can change very rapidly under conditions like this and when the "rational choice" is to be on the side of your president you will often consider his actions ok until your brother is killed for nothing.

Paul B - I was just there. (Almost) Everything you said couldn't be further from the truth. I've been there every year since 2014. How old are you?
Are you in shape? Do you dress well?

Generally the foreigners looked down upon are the fat 40 year old men who dress like shit. I didn't have any problems when I was there. At all. Zero.

However, I would agree that the women do seem more bitchy in the clubs and bars than in 2014. But tinder is still a goldmine. I had no problems getting quality pussy.

I met a senators daughter, fucked her. She told me to be careful in Manila but outside that there were no issues with getting fucked with.

The vast majority of this shit is media hype. I talked to several people and many have never seen a dead body. The consensus is that as long as you stay out of the slums and don't be a fucking dick and fuck with the wrong people you'll be fine.

I am not so sure about safety in the Philippines. I went out of Manila after 2 1/2 weeks, because I fucked quite a few girls who were connected to shady types. Met some shady types myself. Openly discussing business you now get shot for, at a cafe.
Let me remind you of Mr. Pink. Check out this thread:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54676-page-2.html
We met in Cebu and hung out quite a few times. He is (or was) a great guy. He went missing at the end of march. He might have killed himself, or kidnapped by someone who saw him in the places we hang out. Would be weird if he logged off, since RvF was his lifeline. I think it sucks how people here don't seem te care that a member, who happened to be a great guy IRL, first writes a post about how he's depressed and then goes missing.

^

Seriously? You're using a forum member with 80 posts who joined only 3 months prior to his departure from the forum as an example of the dangers of the Philippines?

He said he had some mental problems, and that he had a history of self destructive behavior. Add that to his very short tenure on this forum and I'd say there is about a 99.99% chance that his AWOL behavior has nothing to do with Durtere or "death squads". Much more likely he either departed the forum because he wasn't achieving whatever he sought or that he harmed himself, or that he put himself in professional care.

This is the kind of thing that confuses me.

On the one hand, you have people who claim to have spent years living in the Philippines, and saying that everything is fine, unless you're an idiot. Well, the same goes for America. There are things you can do and places you can go that will lead to a HIGHLY PROBABLE negative result for you, up to and including death. No amount of criminal justice will save you from the wrong hard-ass who wants you dead. Period.

I highly trust the judgement of the membership of this forum. But the signal to noise ratio on this topic is ridiculous.

Again, I'm reminded of how Mexicans and Muslims talk about Donald Trump. Lots of fear, hatred, and white noise. I get that Durtete and Trump are NOT the same, and sure, he's done some messed up shit. But when you point out some guy who has a history of self-harm going AWOL as evidence of the danger, I'm very skeptical.

This seems like a topic that has a lot of fear, and fear clouds judgement. I'm not saying anyone here is WRONG (I've never been to the Philippines) but if it were an open and shut case, I don't think there would be nearly as much dissent as there is.

I've asked for solid evidence of the danger, and all that's been pointed out is local fear (sounds like liberals talking about Trump) and some Australian guy getting framed for drugs (doesn't that happen in South America and other 3rd world countries too?)

Again, I'm not calling anyone out---ESPECIALLY not Onto, who definitely is no bullshitter----I'm just trying to filter out the FACT'S from the FEAR.

In short----

I'll be arriving in Cebu in January. I booked my ticket a couple months ago. Should I cancel my trip? If so, please explain why---with solid evidence. I'm just trying to figure this shit out.

Common sense is needed ANYWHERE in the world.

Fuck the wrong dudes wife or treat the wrong guys sister like a whore anywhere in the world and you take the chance that someone comes after you.

You can walk down the wrong street in any major city in America and get robbed, shot, killed. House invasions happen in the sleepy suburbs and people die.

Why wouldn't this apply to the phils? Furthermore these stories of violence or being taken advantage of in the phils often lack crucial context. Getting fucked over is largely going to come down to an individuals instincts like anywhere else.

Thanks Onto.

As always, your insight is on point and well articulated.

Is there any actionable advice to avoid stepping on toes, other than the obvious?

Clearly, don't be the drunken braggart who swaggers everywhere, bragging to locals about the tail he's pulling.

But are there ways to screen to avoid being in the situation in the first place?

Also, how great is the risk, statistically speaking? Obviously there are no hard numbers, but we surely have a rough estimation of how much risk the average guy is in when visiting.

I mean, everytime you step foot in a car, you're taking the risk of dying or being paralyzed for life, etc, but statistically speaking, you'll likely be fine.

Basically, how does it compare with other countries with similar infrastructure, cost of living, government, etc.

(11-19-2016 06:19 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  Basically, how does it compare with other countries with similar infrastructure, cost of living, government, etc.

Thing is, you don't go to the Philippines for their "infrastructure , cost of living , government", which are, respectively, poor, high, and rough.

You go there for sweet, polite, quite cute and relatively easy women, and/or natural wonders (beaches in Palawan for example). It's a trade-off. Not a bad one I'd say.

^

Obviously Going Strong. You don't go to Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, or Columbia for those things either. (With the exception of Cost of Living, which, from my research, is very cheap outside of Manilla anyways....)

That was my point.

(11-19-2016 07:02 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  ^

Obviously Going Strong. You don't go to Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, or Columbia for those things either. (With the exception of Cost of Living, which, from my research, is very cheap outside of Manilla anyways....)

That was my point.

Quality of life in Moscow (or other Russian cities, Sochi or Krasnodar for example), the South of Brazil, Kiev (or say, Lviv or Odessa), Medellin (or even Bogota), is quite on another level than Manila's... you'll understand once in a taxi, or God forbid, on foot, in Manila. But do go: the sweet, often shy, local women won't disappoint you.

I'll be in Cebu City from January until who knows. Probably a 2-3 month trip. Haven't booked a return flight yet. We'll see how it goes.

I had planned on staying indefinitely had the hag been elected, but with Trump in office, I may hold off a few more years before making a permanent move abroad.

Guys, I've been in the Philippines for almost two weeks up to today. As far as I can see, nothing on the ground has changed.

I don't see death squads roaming the streets shooting any druggies on sight. I don't see anyone trying to plant drugs on a foreigner and framing him.

As long as you don't bring too much attention to yourself or fuck with the wrong people, you'll be fine.

Thanks CleanSlate.

Always good to hear voices of reason.

It just goes to show you, fear can take hold of even the most rational, intelligent people sometimes. And when it takes hold, people will believe just about anything.

Almost makes me feel empathy for the liberals who are afraid of Trump. I think we as a community should try to reach out to those who are legitimately AFRAID of Trump and try to soothe them. If they realize how silly they're being, we might just be able to convert them.