My date from Sun night texted me last night, got really sexual with me and eventually asked why I didn't take things further with her. I'm slowly starting to figure out that chicks are more into me than I've ever realized...

(11-01-2016 01:11 PM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  My date from Sun night texted me last night, got really sexual with me and eventually asked why I didn't take things further with her. I'm slowly starting to figure out that chicks are more into me than I've ever realized...

But "she's past that phase !" how could this be ?

See I told you - ACTIONS speak louder than words.

You're right you could've gotten the bang !

Who cares if she was looking for a ONS or an LTR - that shit can be worried about later.

Just live in the moment and enjoy the woman you're around - now it's up to you to close on this horned up girl !

(11-01-2016 12:34 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 07:39 AM)robreke Wrote:  She agreed to get together this weekend, maybe over dinner somewhere though we didn't set a definite time.

She texts me when she gets home. I reply the next morning 'glad you made it, it was good hanging with you...blah blah" and haven't heard anything since. I'm thinking I may need to assuage her "guilt" or whatever it is more as I'd like some repeats from her. At this point I'm just waiting a few days.

Anyone here had who's had success dealing with girls having 'buyer's remorse' I'd like to hear thoughts.

Sounds like you needed to run more comfort game before pushing the bang - she was also leading the conversation post bang it seems. You needed to run interference, even some ramble game after so it doesn't make for an awkward experience, cuddling and throwing on a movie always helps as well.

Guiding the conversation of having fun, that you didn't expect for this to happen but have no regrets and you enjoy her company. Any qualification questions should be batted down with generic "I don't judge anyone on X actions etc etc" then pivot to another subject.

You sent the text and put the ball in her court.

What you should've done is tell her to text you when you get home - that way you have an easy way of sending the "safe" text and confirm she had a good time.

Secondly, since she hasn't responded just wait it out a day or 2, she'll come around.

Then you can have said conversation (or don't bring it up at all) and talk about meet up number 2.

If she doesn't respond, well that's that, move on, she got ASD and probably won't meet up again because she feels bad.

@katoic,

I did tell her to text me when she got home and she texted: "home "

Mid morning I texted her "glad you made it. had fun with you last night the whole time" No response from her.

We also chilled on the couch and did watch some of deadpool and when she'd say those things I tried to bat them down saying I didn't think bad of her at all. However, during post coital snuggling, I once or twice kept putting her hand on my cock going for a second bang, so yeah, I may have been too pushy. She reciprocated with feeling and stroking and kissing, but would stop.

Yep, I'm waiting a few days. We'll see what happens.

Going to meet up with a new 30 year old chick (why am I getting hit up by this age bracket more than any other right now?) off bumble later tonight. She's a "model and photographer". LOL. Then later this week I've got ""date"" #2 with the half asian chick who blew me the other night but wouldn't put out beyond that.

For the one I've already semi hooked up with, I want to secure the bang at least within the next two ""dates'"" (i'm using quotes because there was no actual date, she just came straight over to my place).

So would you:

1. Invite her straight over and escalate aggressively

or

2. Go out for a few drinks, save the escalation for later if and when we get back to my place

or

3. Go to her neck of the woods and try to get back to her pad.


This chick's ASD has a hair trigger.

2 schools of thought:

Have her come directly over for drinks, escalate from their, afterall she's comfy enough to of come over and blow you the first time, she's just trying not to give it up that easily.

Go out and have fun:

Have her park at your pad and you bounce some local venues near you.

Bring her back for a drink at the pad or something you wanna show her, bang.


No need to get her back to her pad unless she willingly invited you.

#2 is my default, never run into ASD but that's just me. Girls that drink with you at multiple venues AND come over to your pad are dtf.

We need a post on how to rapidly build trust.

I wonder if having a pre paid debit card and making her pay for something with your pin # would be a subtle way to do it. Or she comes through and you leave your phone "unprotected".

On the outfit your house concept
- pictures of you and fam
- having plants
- having a pet

I know with online profiles, a Serbian serial killer, bald head, jacked, ripped image can be contrasted by him holding a fluffy white cat - I'm scared goes to aww

Comfort/Trust is
- I'm going to be physically safe
- I'm going to be emotionally safe (LMR, ASD)

But you also have to build it in such a way that it never triggers
A) beta provider script
B) soul mate script

So many ideas.

WIA

Pets and family are solid trust builders. Girls melt if they see you have a cute dog you take care of, or if you take care of your dear old mother and bring her out to breakfast twice a week.

I like the idea of having her pay for stuff using your money. A less risky way to do it is to just give her a large bill for something that shouldn't cost that much. Give her a 20 or a 50 to pay for something while you are busy doing something else. I think this also plays into giving girls a roll which can also build comfort. If she feels necessary and involved with you even in a small way it can build comfort and grow a bond. Give her tasks and responsibility even if small.

Say you are at a bar, you need to piss but you want a round of drinks. Leave her a 50 and say "I gotta use the restroom but order me X and get whatever you like" something along those lines.

WIA I'm a single dad with a nicely remodeled older home in the hip downtown part of town, I have lots of houseplants, a very friendly cat, family pictures throughout, and my kids stuff is fairly well organized but they have an obvious big presence in my life. Women are almost immediately comfortable in my home, they're always looking at my photos while I'm making us drinks or whatever and commenting about how nice and clean my home is. I do feel it likely comes across with undertones of boyfriend/soul-mate, one positive in my favor is that it's a small home where there's not really room for a woman to move in, probably helps I have boys so it's a very masculine space.

I like GS's idea of giving her a larger bill to pay for something. Going to my neighborhood coffee shop and being recognized by and chatting with the staff helps me quickly build trust too.

Good stuff GS and RWS.

The faster the better, or the deeper the better.

Trying to connect this post with
- come over and bang
- super fast club pulls

The Instapull is fairly simple, it's spike attraction, get to a private area, slide it in.

The super fast is basically see a chick looking for a cab, strike up the convo, heat her up, then build trust, then slide it in

The listen to my hi-fi is plausible deniability, put her at physical ease, heat, emotional ease, then bang.

That's how I'm coming at it. Tools for each situation.

WIA

Along those lines, there is a cool, trendy bar in my building that has themed nights (Trivia, live music) that I have been inviting prospects to meet at. I happen to have a favorite corner table and the staff chats me up when I arrive-familiar face that lives in the building. Just the suggestion that there is a bar in building seems to shorten the overall seduction process. That seems to feed into her sense of danger while giving her a legit "reason" to come to my resident straight away. I don't normally carry cash, but now I may throw in the nonchalant money idea to build comfort/compliance while I excuse myself to take a phone call.

From there what I had been doing to further build up things up was a pseudo tour guide excursion; walking past some venues of interest and circle back to my flat for a nightcap.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:Trying to connect this post with
- come over and bang
- super fast club pulls

I've never pulled a random girl from a bar/club, it's something I regret in my life and would like to change but I'm don't go out late night very often.

My home works well to build comfort primarily with online dates that are willing to come over, usually for dinner and drinks or as a meeting spot to walk downtown or by the river, so not exactly the scenarios you're speaking to.

trustworthy = successful and well-dressed in many girl's heads, esp college aged up to grad school I'd say. If your behavior is congruent they will come over, get in your car, etc.

I had a brief one week return to game this week. It was a good reminder how difficult it is to get laid. I kept remembering this classic by Tuthmosis:
http://www.returnofkings.com/4257/the-wo...ockblocker

I got cockblocked by heavy rain 4 days in a row. I dated 5 girls and I managed to bring all of them to my house.

I banged 2 of them. 3 girls gave me insurmountable LMRs.

Notes to myself:
-I needed to spend more time with comfort. I didn't spend enough time with the girls to build comfort. Comfort is the most annoying part of game. I hate that I have to endure that, not because I'm impatient but because it's a huge time sink.
-I neglected to remove the evidence that there are other girls coming to my house. Things like pink slippers, girl cosmetics in the house let them know I'm in this for the bang only.
-What AnonymousBosch and Jariel said about muscles are true. Here are the relevant threads.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-51428.html
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-32580.html
After reading their comments on bigger muscles, I upped my muscle game and added 12 pound of lean muscle to my body. The difference in the reaction of girls is day and night.
I didn't need to build attraction through game. My muscles took care of that. I mostly bombed at the comfort stage. I'm curious that if I build 12 pounds more muscle, will it help to bypass the comfort stage? I really hate that comfort thing.

TL;DR:
*Getting laid is still difficult even she is attracted.
*Comfort building shouldn't be neglected.
*Remove the evidence of other girls before you bring home a new girl.
*Bigger muscles enormously help to build attraction.

As for the trust thing..

One of the fastest way I know to build trust is to show her she can count on you, preferably in short period of time. This is big. Thing is, it's difficult to show that when everything is going great and smooth. There is no real chance then to show you can deal with shit on the fly and handle random obstacles. You can still show it of course but it won't make a big impression on her when things are just.. fine.

However, when shit happens it's great opportunity to show and prove. This is how the real high value is exposed. No matter what it is, from small things to bigger issues, when you can show the girl you can with all that she will be so drawn and attracted to you it's not even funny. It's a very primal feeling when a man can deliver, all the other bullshit becomes irrelevant then. For instance...

I helped a girl a lot with her paperwork for citizenship, I found the way when we got lost in forest, I easily dealt with her problems in house, I taught her few useful things, I always lead the way when I'm with her, I have ideas what to do, I make stuff happen, work things out when she needs something [even though I don't have it], etc. Interestingly enough, she knows very little about me, almost nothing actually, yet she already loves me like I'm her path her way and her light. She feels like laying on a cloud when she's with me so because she's taken care of she's busy feeling happy and sexy and you know what happens then

Another way to build trust is to stay honest, especially under social pressure I think this can be hard when you play games cause then you have to be great actor to put on a show from start to finish. It is much simple when don't play games. Then you just stand by whatever you say or do. There are plenty of those moments in every interaction where you have to step up and show that you're for real. I don't mean to say brutal truth at all times, that's not the way at all. What I mean is to not beat around the bush in key moments. Basically it comes down to passing shittests.

I've got a few irons in the fire via Bumble right now. Closed the deal on the half asian last night. I just got message by a super hot 28 year old, legit 9/10 and I'm going to try to set something up. I'm also going to restart text the "model / photographer" who flaked the other day because she "pinched a nerve at the gym"

This should be a good weekend. One way or the other I'm gonna get some.

3 dates 1 bang all sent follow up texts interested in hanging out again.

Monday - 27 old average Mexican mom of 2, she constantly double texts me and calls me, honestly a bit annoying and clingy, we met at a starbucks, then sat in her car, she had bad eye contact which I teased the fuck out of her about, unfortunately in person her body was a let down, whatever, still made out, still blowing me up qualifying herself wanting to see me again.

Tuesday - 40 (I don't give a fuck) year old cutie Filipino/Spanish lady - super young face, looks mid twenties, body was decent, had some pretty great convos about surfing and snowboarding. Did one venue, cutie new bartender, hungout there for a bit, then bounced to venue 2.

She wasn't down to drink anymore so we walked by the fountain with the birds she dropped the "you bring all your girls over here" of course I say she's like 69th. I told her this is where I wrap my arm around get close and start making moves - I literally did this as I explained it to her. She talked about liking something that I love, but I proposed to her in front 2 couples and she got embarassed. She said she needs a big rock - I told her I'd get one from a specific beach we talked about and throw it at her.

Decent makeout session before she left - she texts when she got home, text her the next morning, immediately she asks "What did you think about last night" - I let that simmer till that afternoon, avoid the question, then call her. We chat tell her she's alright, and that me still talking to her should give her the answer to her question. She wants to see me again soon.

Wednesday- 29 year old mexicana - showed up at venue 1, tits were hidden but hinting they were nice - she's almost taller than me - partially butterface, but hyna was thick, no rolls, like legit thick.

After 3 venues I finally get her back to my place and absolutely fuck the shit out of, we had 3 sessions. I haven't done that with a girl in a very long time.

I'm telling you guys, there's just something about fucking hispanic/latin/mexican women that gets my rocks off more.

Anyways, I'll write up about the bang in the proper thread.


I got biker girl wanting to take me to a show next week, she wanted to hang last night.

I've got a new profile pic on Bumble that's giving me tons of leads, I hardly even use Tinder anymore, my plates are full with plenty of options.


Here's to the Cubs ending that 108 year old curse and a new bang !




Oh and after talking with Red_Pillage via text - we might become Bumble eskimo brothers. (SEE ABOVE)

We matched the same chick on there and had a hilarious convo about her and how we're both gonna try and smash.

Footage of me praying the timer expires before she messages Kaotic:

" She said she needs a big rock - I told her I'd get one from a specific beach we talked about and throw it at her."

*spits out Laphroaig*

WIA

Chick shows me this stupid, unfunny cat GIF like it's the funniest thing in the world.


I get the widest grin in the world and start laughing myself. Mates you don't need to be funny to make a girl laugh.

Halloween was awesome times with the crew in Philly.

Met a cute college senior with 6 face and 9/10 body. Her two friends gave their blessing separated from us almost immediately, barely even a discussion. We danced, had drink, and I bounced her back to my hotel. I go to open my door and-- FUCK. My friend has the room key and he's still at the bar. I went to the other hotel room our crew had, and there were three drunk dudes inside. She got embarrassed and asked me to help her get a cab. Oh well. Back to the bar at 1:30am.

Met another college senior - GORGEOUS. African girl who never learned the hoodrat attitude; these types love me and I love them back. We danced and touched, which she loved, but her friend kept pulling her away. It got so annoying that instead of ruining the vibe and telling the friend off, I just gave it a break. Was lucky enough to run into her outside and get a chance to exchange numbers. We texted all week with plans to meet up about 90 minutes from right now. Thought it was a sure flake, but she just got back to me as I finished typing this post asking if she could push the date back by 30 minutes.

I'm driving 75 minutes from NJ to meet her near campus - logisitcs are terrible unless she invites me back to her apartment. But I don't care - I haven't been going out much lately, and it feels great to know I can still easily score girls this hot and young at almost 30.

We'll see what happens.

(11-03-2016 05:35 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  Halloween was awesome times with the crew in Philly.

Met a cute college senior with 6 face and 9/10 body. Her two friends gave their blessing separated from us almost immediately, barely even a discussion. We danced, had drink, and I bounced her back to my hotel. I go to open my door and-- FUCK. My friend has the room key and he's still at the bar. I went to the other hotel room our crew had, and there were three drunk dudes inside. She got embarrassed and asked me to help her get a cab. Oh well. Back to the bar at 1:30am.

Met another college senior - GORGEOUS. African girl who never learned the hoodrat attitude; these types love me and I love them back. We danced and touched, which she loved, but her friend kept pulling her away. It got so annoying that instead of ruining the vibe and telling the friend off, I just gave it a break. Was lucky enough to run into her outside and get a chance to exchange numbers. We texted all week with plans to meet up about 90 minutes from right now. Thought it was a sure flake, but she just got back to me as I finished typing this post asking if she could push the date back by 30 minutes.

I'm driving 75 minutes from NJ to meet her near campus - logisitcs are terrible unless she invites me back to her apartment. But I don't care - I haven't been going out much lately, and it feels great to know I can still easily score girls this hot and young at almost 30.

We'll see what happens.

Credit to you mate. I imagine that most guys would of been really pissed off after the first girl left and would of let it ruin their night. It shows how positive perseverance can pay off

(11-02-2016 10:00 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Pets and family are solid trust builders. Girls melt if they see you have a cute dog you take care of, or if you take care of your dear old mother and bring her out to breakfast twice a week.

I like the idea of having her pay for stuff using your money. A less risky way to do it is to just give her a large bill for something that shouldn't cost that much. Give her a 20 or a 50 to pay for something while you are busy doing something else. I think this also plays into giving girls a roll which can also build comfort. If she feels necessary and involved with you even in a small way it can build comfort and grow a bond. Give her tasks and responsibility even if small.

Say you are at a bar, you need to piss but you want a round of drinks. Leave her a 50 and say "I gotta use the restroom but order me X and get whatever you like" something along those lines.

Great test for a Good Girl vs P+D.

$50 bill is perfect - at least in NYC $20 barely covers two drinks, and you need to leave the girl the option of ordering a beer or a double grey goose elderflower-tini. $100 is too much to show a girl you wouldn't already trust with that money

I've never had my emotions toyed with so much on a first date.

70 miles and $10 in tolls later, I arrive at the bar I was supposed to meet my girl. I find a tiny spot right in front of the bar and spend more than 5 minutes parallel parking. Finally squeezed in with less than two inches to spare.

I get out and look at my phone, and see a text from my girl.

"don't hate meee..."

This fucking girl confirmed plans three times, including right before I got in my car to meet her, and then flaked as I ARRIVED, knowing how far I drove. Her excuse was that she really wanted to meet me, but her weekly paycheck hadn't arrived in the mail that day, she "forgot to tell me," and that she wanted to reschedule as she would feel very uncomfortable if I paid for her drinks. Of course this was all through text.

I wasn't even angry - my brain literally could not compute what had just happened. I couldn't comprehend how anyone over the age of 7 could be so incredibly inconsiderate. I decided it'd be best to call her while I was still calm, she answered, and she apologized. I explained that I was planning on paying. I teased her lightly for being an asshole, even though it was not a teasing matter. She was most definitely an asshole of epic proportions, and I felt my shock turning into rage with every passing moment. However, since she actually was not a complete coward and answered her phone, I gave her the benefit of the doubt and assumed she was sincere. I also felt that she was a bit nervous about meeting me, and that she equated me paying with her being obligated to fuck me, which I assured her was not the case.

I knew I didn't have too much bargaining or guilt tripping power with someone who was willing to do me so dirty, so I didn't scold her or aggressively shame her into meeting up. I very tentatively agreed with her counter offer to meet up on Saturday instead.

I told her I didn't have it in me to get right back on the road, and that I was going to grab a drink. I did, vented on the phone to a couple close friends, and then thought about what to do.

20 minutes later I sent her this: "Honestly I'm more concerned with just having a fun night. You sure you don't want to just grab a quick drink? It's a completely zero pressure siutation - there's no expectations, seriously. If it's really about money just get me a drink next time or send me a check for $14 in the mail. IDGAF"

Her response: "oh ok. would still wanna go to (the bar we were supposed to meet at)?"

She then said she wanted me to pick her up and texted me her address.



It made no sense. Even though I saw her social media that had pictures with her and her sorority sisters, I thought there was a decent chance it was a setup, and she was sending me to a place where some North Philly street dudes would relieve me of my money and valuables. I cross checked the address with my brother, who confirmed that although it was still hood as fuck, many college kids lived on that street. I took my chances and went to scoop her.

I parked out in front of the address she gave me, called her. No answer - voicemail box is full and cannot accept any messages. Sent a text, and another text. No answer after 5 minutes. I felt like a fucking chump. Why am I allowing myself to get played? I know better than this. I was supposed to meet her at 830 - its now 10:15, and I'm still 75 minutes from home.

Just as I was about to tell her off, she walks out the front door. She looks as good as I remember. Great style and very fit. Titties are still looking pretty big despite not being propped up to her chin like they were on Halloween.

I take a deep breath to let go of my frustration, and get out of the car to greet her. She is visibly nervous, talking very fast, and apologizing a lot. I crack a couple jokes, put her at ease, and it's on. I ask her to take me to a bar closer to her house and we find one.

She barely drinks the drink I bought her, but her body language goes from OK to great over 45 minutes. She's laughing her ass off, and the cool bartender is enhancing the conversation with some friendly banter. We start touching each other's shoulders and knees when we want to add emphasis to a sentence, and the conversation topics start becoming more sexual. It's 12:15 now, and she's had half of one Bud Strawberrita in almost two hours - banging isn't going to happen, so I tell her I need to get going.

I drop her off and get out of the car to say goodnight. She comes in for a hug while looking down and away. Submissive and embarrassed, not "thank god this date is over." I grab her face, look her in the eyes, and kiss her. I get a big smile in return.

Two hours later, at 2:30am, she texts me "I hope you got home OK!" I take this as a big positive, and at the very least a sign that she's thinking about me.

At my age, 75 minutes is right at the absolute max distance I am willing to commute for pussy of this caliber. My plan is to stay as non-needy as possible, and then come back Saturday evening after she gets to have a drink or two with her friends. The iron should still be hot.

Updates to come.

^ That chick sounds like a MASSIVE cunt. Why put yourself through all that just for the privilege of buying her a drink?