(10-17-2016 08:55 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:54 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  Budoslavic, if that's yours you may want to edit the name.

It's not mine. Click on the Source link under the image.

Edited: I noticed the name as well.

^^

Didn't see that source link on my phone. My bust.

That's for a Bronze plan on top of that. I have the same provider and got letters like this myself. It's the main reason I need a break from living here regardless of who wins. No one is going to change the healthcare mess in 1 month let alone even 1 year. Congress will be fighting alot before anything is passed. Our system is too slow and inefficient to help the common man.

Medical Tourism is already big, but is going to explode next year. I been telling anyone who talks to me about this stuff, to try Mexico and other places and giving them the price ranges. They cannot believe how cheap it is there.

Only the poor and the wealthy will be able to afford healthcare in America next year. The middle class will have to pay Obamacare penalties, which are way cheaper than actual coverage. Problem is, who has cash on hand for everything? Very few. If you can hoof it for a while, you might want to consider living abroad and stack cash if possible before you get completely locked down with wife and multiple kids.

That's a shitty bronze plan too, which means a huge deductible.

I can't afford health insurance, haven't been able to for over a year, because my premium would be more than my fucking rent and the deductible is so high that short of a major accident I would never actually be able to use my insurance. Oh, and it's illegal for me to even buy catastrophic health insurance in this state, because I'm over 30. They've done such an amazing job of fucking up health insurance that, at this point, I wonder if that was their goal all along.

(10-17-2016 08:59 AM)weambulance Wrote:  That's a shitty bronze plan too, which means a huge deductible.

I can't afford health insurance, haven't been able to for over a year, because my premium would be more than my fucking rent and the deductible is so high that short of a major accident I would never actually be able to use my insurance. Oh, and it's illegal for me to even buy catastrophic health insurance in this state, because I'm over 30. They've done such an amazing job of fucking up health insurance that, at this point, I wonder if that was their goal all along.

It was. Obama sold us all out to fill his pockets with future speaking fees from health insurance providers, hospital CEOs, and the big pharma industry.

When he suddenly swapped out his single payer part, hundreds of smart people, saw this happening and called it out. He did it after he met up with those interest groups. He had done it before with the bank bailouts. Right before he won, he suddenly stopped cracking down on Israel and Wall Street. He started taking their donations and after he won, the bailouts came.

The reason why Hillary needs to be punished for the Clinton Foundation, etc. is so no one tries this again. He saw how she and Bill went from six figure lawyers to 9 figure in eight years. The career politicians are ass raping the country all because of this. They all do it to some degree.

I don't see congress passing it, but if Trump could get a reform bill to close up these loopholes, it could go along way. A reform bill on non-profit foundations would be useful as well. Voters from both parties need to back him up on it though.

(10-17-2016 08:58 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:55 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:54 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  Budoslavic, if that's yours you may want to edit the name.

It's not mine. Click on the Source link under the image.

Edited: I noticed the name as well.

^^

Didn't see that source link on my phone. My bust.

(10-17-2016 08:59 AM)weambulance Wrote:  That's a shitty bronze plan too, which means a huge deductible.

I can't afford health insurance, haven't been able to for over a year, because my premium would be more than my fucking rent and the deductible is so high that short of a major accident I would never actually be able to use my insurance. Oh, and it's illegal for me to even buy catastrophic health insurance in this state, because I'm over 30. They've done such an amazing job of fucking up health insurance that, at this point, I wonder if that was their goal all along.

In order to create you must first destroy.

That was their goal all along. Fuck up healthcare in this country to pave the way for single payer and a complete govt take over of the entire healthcare industry. The young/healthy are subsidizing the old/sick/poor. They're already far below predicted enrollment numbers and this latest round of increases won't be helping things. This and SS will be the rallying cry of a future campaign of generational warfare where young people declare a force majure and revolt against obligations their parents signed them up for.

State Department's Kennedy pressured FBI to unclassify Clinton emails: FBI documents

Not much information, but it's interesting nevertheless.

Quote:Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy pressured the FBI to unclassify certain emails from Hillary Clinton's private server that were previously deemed classified, according to FBI documents released Monday that cited redacted sources.

In the documents, an unnamed person interviewed by the FBI said Kennedy contacted the FBI to ask for the change in classification in "exchange for a 'quid pro quo.'"

Whether or not Clinton sent classified emails from her private server that could have jeopardized national security has become a key issue ahead of the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 8, when Clinton will face Republican nominee Donald Trump.

....

Here in socialist Canada we have "Single payer" but am I reading correct that the USA Government wants the same top heavy system as here?

In Canada the Provinces handle the Insurance and the Medics bill the Province (crony system, lots of waste and overcharging).

In America I can't think those big insurance Corps just going to roll over. So would it essentially be a big pool of money from Big Government for the Insurance Corps to feast on if the USA went "Single payer"?

Isn't this illegal? HRC Campaign & DNC where they were talking about a "joint account"? Not familiar with the law for politics stuff.

Edited: Also, no wonder the whole DNC fiasco was rigged from the beginning when they already preferred HRC over Bernie.

Latest from James O'Keefe

'Rigging the election'

(10-17-2016 08:06 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but have Anonymous ever been any more than a bunch of virtue signalling, basement dwelling cucks?

Yes - Anonymous used to just refer to the decentralised groups organising on 4chan back in the mid-to-late '00s. Several years ago government organisations started coopting the name and symbology and subverting the networks of people who used to constitute 'Anonymous'.

The problem with truly anonymous organisation is that, along with all the benefits of decentralisation you get the massive handicap of a charisma vacuum, with no central figures to organise behind and to call out bad actors. That's why vetted forums like this have become so important.

(10-17-2016 11:12 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Latest from James O'Keefe

'Rigging the election'

After watching that video, I'm not surprised of DNC's corruption, but what is chilling is that the higher ups knew that what they are doing is unethical and illegal. And worst of all, they are okay with initiating violent protests and riots.

The part about "agitator training" in that video is extremely interesting.

(10-17-2016 11:12 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Latest from James O'Keefe

'Rigging the election'

This shit is going to get really ugly if Trump isn't elected.

Via WikiLeaks' tweet, the FBI file on HRC has been updated with another 100 pages.

^^It might get ugly both ways. One difference is Most trump supporters have jobs and lives they are afraid to ruin. Hillary has a lot of supporters with nothing to lose and is also willing to pay people with nothing to lose.

(10-17-2016 11:14 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:06 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but have Anonymous ever been any more than a bunch of virtue signalling, basement dwelling cucks?

Yes - Anonymous used to just refer to the decentralised groups organising on 4chan back in the mid-to-late '00s. Several years ago government organisations started coopting the name and symbology and subverting the networks of people who used to constitute 'Anonymous'.

The problem with truly anonymous organisation is that, along with all the benefits of decentralisation you get the massive handicap of a charisma vacuum, with no central figures to organise behind and to call out bad actors. That's why vetted forums like this have become so important.

Anonymous could have been like us as well had they had setup a decentralised social network or at least an IRC chat. Prove identity by signing with the same PGP key. It seems that even despite not having this they still managed to get infiltrated though, which could say a lot to the extent that we have been infiltrated too

BREAKING:

State Dep. still has Hillary's 55k mails?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12539

Quote:To be clear, there are and will likely remain only two parties who can release the full 55k: State and us. Nobody else will have them. Gowdy will only end up with what’s relevant to his committee, which won’t grow that much beyond what he has. Probably not get anywhere close to 500.

If State had all her emails as of 2015-03-17 then either they still have them OR State Department erased Hillary's emails as well.

(10-17-2016 12:59 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  ^^It might get ugly both ways. One difference is Most trump supporters have jobs and lives they are afraid to ruin. Hillary has a lot of supporters with nothing to lose and is also willing to pay people with nothing to lose.

Agreed, but the specific type of ugly I'm referring to is more of a Trump supporter thing

Something's about to go down...

Quote:GUCCIFER 2.0 [email protected]_2
i'm here and ready for new releases. already changed my location
thanks @wikileaks for a good job!
8:14 AM - 17 Oct 2016

(10-17-2016 01:09 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  BREAKING:

State Dep. still has Hillary's 55k mails?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12539

Quote:To be clear, there are and will likely remain only two parties who can release the full 55k: State and us. Nobody else will have them. Gowdy will only end up with what’s relevant to his committee, which won’t grow that much beyond what he has. Probably not get anywhere close to 500.

If State had all her emails as of 2015-03-17 then either they still have them OR State Department erased Hillary's emails as well.

This email could be related in what they were trying to do to prevent the public from knowing about the email scanal - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12969.

(10-17-2016 01:51 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  GUCCIFER 2.0 [email protected]_2
i'm here and ready for new releases. already changed my location
thanks @wikileaks for a good job!
8:14 AM - 17 Oct 2016

I'm not a fan of Politico, but Trump just re-tweeted an article by them.

Quote:State Dept. official accused of offering 'quid pro quo' in Clinton email scandal

An unnamed FBI official alleges Patrick Kennedy asked agency to downgrade classified email in exchange for FBI agents in more countries.

By Nolan D. McCaskill
10/17/16 10:55 AM EDT

A top State Department official allegedly “pressured” the FBI to downgrade the classification of one of Hillary Clinton’s emails as part of a “quid pro quo,” according to documents released by the bureau on Monday.

The accusation of such an arrangement came from an interview the FBI conducted with an official in its records management division. Notes from the interview were released as part of the FBI’s public posting of documents related to its now-closed investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server.

In the interview, the unnamed official says that Patrick Kennedy, undersecretary of state for management, tried in late June or early July of last year to get the FBI to change a classified email to unclassified, in exchange for the State Department allowing the FBI to place agents in more countries.

The conversation allegedly occurred as the FBI and State were engaging in an interagency review of Clinton’s emails as they were being prepared for public release. Ultimately, FBI Director James Comey said just over 100 emails retrieved from Clinton’s server were deemed classified after the fact, although the Democratic nominee contends she never knowingly sent or received classified emails.

In an exchange that included redacted names, the interview notes state that “[REDACTED] received a call from [REDACTED] of the International Operations Division (IOD) of the FBI, who ‘pressured’ him to change the classified email to unclassified. [REDACTED] indicated he had been contacted by PATRICK KENNEDY, Undersecretary of State, who had asked his assistance in altering the email’s classification in exchange for a ‘quid pro quo.’”

The notes go on to say, “[REDACTED] advised that, in exchange for marking the email unclassified, STATE would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more Agents in countries where they are presently forbidden.”

An unnamed official alleges that Kennedy followed up this request by asking during a private meeting whether the FBI could “see their way to marking the email unclassified?”

“According to [REDACTED], KENNEDY spent the next 15 minutes debating the classification of the email and attempting to influence the FBI to change its markings.”

An unnamed official accuses Kennedy of keeping up the pressure by going to Michael Steinbach, the assistant director of the FBI’s counterterrorism division, but that Steinbach refused to change the classified messages to unclassified.

State Department deputy spokesperson Mark Toner on Monday strongly denied that such a quid pro occurred. “This allegation is inaccurate and does not align with the facts. To be clear: the State Department did upgrade the document at the request of the FBI when we released it back in May 2015,” Toner said in a statement

The issue was a major focus of State's daily briefing for reporters Monday, where Toner stressed that the FBI employee raised the staffing issue with Kennedy.

"He was on the phone with Pat Kennedy and took advantage of that fact to raise the issue of [more] slots in Baghdad," the State spokesman said.

Toner said that he could not account for the FBI official's claim, but seemed to dismiss them.

"I can’t speak to what his or her intentions were saying these kinds of things. Clearly he was expressing a personal opinion about what happened," the State spokesman added. "Any assertion that this was somehow a tit for tat or quid pro quo or exchange in that manner, frankly, is insulting....I can’t speak to what this person’s intent was or whether they misunderstood the atmosphere."

However, Toner did not dispute that State and FBI disagreed about how that particular email should be treated. "Individuals with classification authorities often have or sometimes have different views on how to do that, or whether something should be upgraded" in classification, the spokesman said. "That's called interagency exchange."

The FBI also issued a statement denying that a "quid pro quo" ever occurred, while also saying the FBI official who discussed the matter with the State Department is now retired.

"Prior to the initiation of the FBI’s investigation of former Secretary Clinton’s personal email server, the FBI was asked to review and make classification determinations on FBI emails and information which were being produced by the State Department pursuant to FOIA," the statement said. "The FBI determined that one such email was classified at the Secret level. A senior State Department official requested the FBI re-review that email to determine whether it was in fact classified or whether it might be protected from release under a different FOIA exemption. A now-retired FBI official, who was not part of the subsequent Clinton investigation, told the State Department official that they would look into the matter."

The statement also explains, "Having been previously unsuccessful in attempts to speak with the senior State official, during the same conversation, the FBI official asked the State Department official if they would address a pending, unaddressed FBI request for space for additional FBI employees assigned abroad. Following the call, the FBI official consulted with a senior FBI executive responsible for determining the classification of the material and determined the email was in fact appropriately classified at the Secret level. The FBI official subsequently told the senior State official that the email was appropriately classified at the Secret level and that the FBI would not change the classification of the email. The classification of the email was not changed, and it remains classified today. Although there was never a quid pro quo, these allegations were nonetheless referred to the appropriate officials for review."

Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook downplayed the accusation during a press call on Monday morning. "It's very well known that there were disputes between the State Department and other agencies about classification. It's not unusual,” Mook said.

The allegation deepens the scandal around Clinton’s use of a private email server, which has continued to dog her presidential campaign, even in the late stages.

House Speaker Paul Ryan seized on the latest FBI documents, saying, “a senior State Department official’s attempt to pressure the FBI to hide the extent of this mishandling bears all the signs of a coverup. This is why our aggressive oversight work in the House is so important, and it will continue.”

House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz and House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes called for the immediate removal of Kennedy, pending an investigation. "We find Under Secretary Kennedy's actions extremely disturbing. Those who receive classified intelligence should not barter in it - that is reckless behavior with our nation's secrets," the wrote in a statement.

Donald Trump was more succinct, simply tweeting, “Unbelievable.”

Trump’s campaign later blasted out a statement from retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who cited the latest trove as “undeniable proof that Hillary Clinton colluded with the FBI, DOJ and State Department to cover up criminal activity at the highest levels.”

The State Department rejected the calls from lawmakers for Kennedy to be removed from his post.

"That’s their prerogative. I can say Pat Kennedy is going to remain at his job and he has the full confidence of the secretary of state," Toner said.

The trove of roughly 100 pages is the fourth such installment of documents released by the agency, following dumps in September and August totaling nearly 250 pages.

In announcing the FBI’s decision in July to not recommend charges against Clinton, Comey described Clinton and her aides as “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information” but ultimately discerned “that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” Comey passionately defended the integrity of the bureau’s investigation during a House Judiciary Committee hearing late last month.

Trump has vowed, if elected, to have his attorney general appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton’s email practices and jail the Democratic nominee. At a rally last week, the real estate mogul called for an investigation into the FBI’s investigation.

In one of the most sweeping allegations in the documents released on Monday, an unnamed official interviewed by the FBI accuses the State Department of being in cahoots with Clinton. “[REDACTED] believes STATE has an agenda which involves minimizing the classified nature of the CLINTON emails in order to protect STATE interests and those of CLINTON,” the FBI notes state.

But the most specific, damaging claims involved Kennedy. An unnamed official with the State Department’s inspector general’s office described Kennedy as “a key figure” in implementing half of the IG and Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community’s joint recommendations for handling Freedom of Information Act requests. Namely, the official told the FBI, Kennedy accepted the recommendation on behalf of State to “act as a final arbiter if there is a question regarding potentially classified materials.”

The official also alleges that Kennedy misled the inspector general, telling the FBI that the State IG left a July 2015 meeting with Kennedy “with the impression that Department of State had an electronic copy of Secretary Clinton’s emails,” according to the FBI’s notes. “Later, STATE IG was told that Department of State did not have an electronic copy.”
An unnamed State official told the FBI that the officials who reviewed 296 of Clinton’s emails weren’t “the same normal review officials that the [Information Programs and Services] uses on a regular basis.” The official said State used a Justice Department official as an FBI reviewer, for example, and that “IPS officials felt intimidated when they used or suggested the use of” of an exemption.

“KENNEDY and [redacted] were named as some of the STATE officials who pressured IPS employees to not label anything as classified,” the official told the bureau..

Kennedy, a former Democratic congressman from Rhode Island, was also involved in the so-called "7th Floor Group" or "The Shadow Government," according to the documents released Monday. Toner sought to downplay the cryptic name of the group though, by saying that given the sheer amount of FOIA requests it made sense for the department to draw on its top people for its response.

"Given the profile of this release of emails, the department took it very seriously and brought together senior state department staffers about how we were going to get through these 55,000 pages of emails and release them publicly," Toner said. "It was a pretty extraordinary effort and as such, and responsibly I would, say that there was a high attention to detail on this."

Toner also disputed that Clinton eschewed diplomatic protocol during her travels as secretary when she rode in her limo with aides instead of local ambassadors.

"There is no official protocol for seating in the secretary's motorcade," Toner said. "It depends on the business at hand."

A former diplomatic security agent, according to the documents, told the FBI's that Clinton's actions were an affront to security and respect to US officials.

Youtube has stopped the counter of the O'keef Video in order to stop it from trending.

It's been at 17,000 views for a long time now, fuck google. I can't wait until Trump hits these shitlibs with anti-trust.


Socialblade shows over 300k views today:

https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/...ze3oX-urEw

17000 views, 19000 likes. LOL.