I met this girl 3 months ago and since then we are very often together and have a lot of mutual experiences. I would say we both enjoy each other very much. The problem I am facing with my new redpill experience is that she claims a man should do steps. She is definitely LTR material, so I am heading towards it. She often remind she actually don´t know how it is between us (we are not officialy couple yet) but also says, she won´t do that step, because she is a girl and men should conquere. Also, she says she "likes me very very very much", but never says she loves me (I think she does). I thinks it´s similar case.
So, is this some kind of test or is a little bit different approach possible here? She also mentioned that felling of not not being conquered may result in losing attraction.

"I met this girl 3 months ago... She is definitely LTR material"

No. LTR material doesn't tell you to "man up", which is what she is essentially saying.

She's setting the frame, and as a woman she's inappropriately telling a man how a man should act.

Technically she's right though.

Her term "conquered" is archaic. She doesn't understand leadership.

There are people in charge that get there by force, by cunning, by birth, politics, playing the game - but one on one/interpersonally they do not inspire. You follow them because of social pressure, not out of genuine desire.

You have to lead, but she has to agree to follow. You do that by making it hard for her to say no, because what you offer is irresistible. On your terms though, not hers.

You've run into a chick that wants you to be "alpha". But that's a cat trying to tell a dog how to be a dog. Chicks don't know what leadership is like, they just expect you to conform to this vague idea of what they think it is.

Getting back to this LTR insanity.

She's not LTR material if from the very beginning of your 70 year/lifelong relationship she's already dictating terms.

I know it's getting cold, but temperature drop shouldn't mean you drop your standards for her behavior.

The way you think about this chick is to interview her for this position that she thinks she has. There's no doubt that she likes you, but her behavior is not acceptable because it puts her in charge of you. That's against the natural order.

You need to rethink this.

If it still seems like a good idea, give this chick things to do. And see if she's doing things for you spontaneously that actually help you.

WIA

Getting over the breakup of my LTR has been much harder than expected. I can go out and get with new girls, thats not hard to do. A new one I have had a crush on for over a year, I made my move, and now we are together. Amazing girl, gorgeous, makes me feel so good when we are together. But in the back of my mind, and when she is gone, my thoughts are dominated by my ex.

Its been over a month since we last talked, when I made an over the top attempt to get her back. Back in July when I first wrote you all resoundingly said dump her. I broke up with her twice, but we stayed together. Then, she dumped me for the final time, and I have been stuck in this spot ever since. I go over and over all of the bad things that happened between us, how badly she treated me. How shitty her friends were. I can say I only I have been through this once before. Coming out of that one, was the most productive time in my life. I didnt even feel remotely this bad leaving my wife.

A little about me; Im a giant romantic. I have been my whole life. Im overly emotional for good and bad, Ive never been accused of being cold or distant. Game actually teaches me self control.

Approaching and getting with new girls is not a problem. Its this goddamned oxytocin that wont go away. And nothing seems to fix it.

(10-03-2016 06:26 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I know it's getting cold, but temperature drop shouldn't mean you drop your standards for her behavior.

My new sig.

Lol Dalaran.

At 40+ I'm supposed to know my shit. Was just rapping with the gods Moma and Rudebwoy that I'm a dinosaur in this game.

@Vaun

I personally believe in a relationship half life.
3 year relationship = 18 months of thinking about the ex. Most of mine still come to mind.

Getting under ten other women doesn't really erase the loss.

WIA

(10-03-2016 06:26 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  "I met this girl 3 months ago... She is definitely LTR material"

No. LTR material doesn't tell you to "man up", which is what she is essentially saying.

She's setting the frame, and as a woman she's inappropriately telling a man how a man should act.

Technically she's right though.

Her term "conquered" is archaic. She doesn't understand leadership.

There are people in charge that get there by force, by cunning, by birth, politics, playing the game - but one on one/interpersonally they do not inspire. You follow them because of social pressure, not out of genuine desire.

You have to lead, but she has to agree to follow. You do that by making it hard for her to say no, because what you offer is irresistible. On your terms though, not hers.

You've run into a chick that wants you to be "alpha". But that's a cat trying to tell a dog how to be a dog. Chicks don't know what leadership is like, they just expect you to conform to this vague idea of what they think it is.

Getting back to this LTR insanity.

She's not LTR material if from the very beginning of your 70 year/lifelong relationship she's already dictating terms.

I know it's getting cold, but temperature drop shouldn't mean you drop your standards for her behavior.

The way you think about this chick is to interview her for this position that she thinks she has. There's no doubt that she likes you, but her behavior is not acceptable because it puts her in charge of you. That's against the natural order.

You need to rethink this.

If it still seems like a good idea, give this chick things to do. And see if she's doing things for you spontaneously that actually help you.

WIA

Thank you for your post. I don´t feel like being told what to do. She often put me in situations where I am tested like alpha, she does this more than any other girl. The rewards are compliments and full service. I like about her she claims she is traditional and while she cooks (she demands to cook for me as often as possible), she gives me a beer.
I will follow the statement "the way you got her is the way you keep her".

Anyway, I will see if there´s some future. On my friends birthday party she somehow found out that on the beginning of our dating I went to whorehouse while celebrating graduation. Damn...

And something totally different: On this party a friend of mine who is very succesful with pretty girls came with girl who we could call fat. Everybody was really surprised and he came to me and explained me, that his goal is to make this girl hot and then enjoy her. It´s true, that is she lost weight, she could be really good. I am wondering how this will end up.

1) She often put me in situations where I am tested like alpha, she does this more than any other girl.

This is not good.

You need to put her into situations that test her femininity.

2) fat girl into hottie? No#

There is no such thing as an ugly woman, just a lazy one. © some broad

Done it. Went south

Lesson learned on my part.

No more fixer uppers

WIA

(10-03-2016 08:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Getting under ten other women doesn't really erase the loss.

WIA

Was with friends this weekend out of town and partying.

Friend's wife met my ex quite a few times and told me she thinks I might of messed up with her by dumping her. She knows I have a list of girls, hell she even hooked me up with one of her acquaintances.

I explained that we broke up because she wanted kids, marriage, her father was slowly dying, she smoked ciggs constantly, so it was amicable (for the most part).

She was a good girl in a complicated situation.

Banging quite a few girls past her - yeah - I still think about her from time to time. I probably will my entire life - some girls just leave an impression on your soul. She did, but doesn't mean I'm pining over her, or thinking of what if scenarios.

I felt comfortable around her to be kind of dork and weirdo - basically saying and doing whatever the fuck I want.

This new biker girl is really cool - we vibe on the same level - I find myself being a bit more and more myself around her while keep frame - basically we have fun, go out sometimes, and the come back and bang at my place. I do find myself doing some things I did with my ex that I'm doing with her - I don't think subconsciously I'm pretending this girl is my ex. Actually I'm not honestly sure and I'm just letting this play out. I wonder if it's possible to have a rebound relationship almost a year after dumping an ex. I don't think that's me, maybe it's just some old feelings being stirred.

Maybe it's just things I enjoyed with her, I'm enjoying with this new girl. Opening up with this new girl is a strange and new place, I tread lightly.

Don't let the idea that women can bring positive intangibles out of this post! Lol

At the same time, rose colored glasses for some of my past relationships.

WIA

(10-03-2016 01:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Don't let the idea that women can bring positive intangibles out of this post! Lol

At the same time, rose colored glasses for some of my past relationships.

WIA

Can you go into some depth about that ? or was that a typo and you meant can't bring positive intangibles**?

Some small thing clicked for me this weekend, a deeper understanding of myself and what I want from the relationships in my life (not just romantic).

Fri night I fucked a single mom my age, she's no more than a 6 but was pleasant to be around and passed the boner test. I could see the exact path to hook her from the very beginning of the interaction, and it played out exactly as I thought it would. I knew what to say in the texts leading up to the meet when she was a little nervous about having me over, to later that night when she gave me her address and said come over, to building her trust as we talked on the couch about what we were looking for, to getting her naked on the couch then following her up to her room to fuck. The sex wasn't that good, just didn't click with chemistry.

Saturday my Kryptonite friend came up and we went camping with a couple friends of hers. Kryptonite and her boyfriend broke up, we've known each other for 3+ years but only hung out a few times. I'd done a bunch of the prep for the trip, including planning dinner and breakfast and packing the majority of the communal supplies. I had picked the spot even though I'd never been there before and didn't know how to get there, it turned out to be the most amazing camping spot I've ever been to. Her friends are cool, she's obviously into me, we're all having a great time setting up camp, exploring, hiking and seeing moose droppings and footprints, catching trout, napping in the hammock, drinking beers. It's the perfect Colorado weekend to be camping and seeing the trees changing colors.

Kryptonite is hands down the most attractive woman I've ever been involved with, I rate her a 9 even though she's my age, and she has a wonderful personality (hence the nickname which we can thank General Stalin for). But to the point of my opening sentence, the part that feels like a small epiphany, the whole weekend I was doing what I wanted for myself. I didn't cook dinner for everybody because I wanted to impress them or make her like me, I did it because I wanted a kick ass meal around the campfire. I didn't get butthurt because I did all the firewood gathering, I wanted to make sure I had a kick ass fire and I enjoyed exploring the countryside while I rounded up wood. I was a leader without being authoritarian; charismatic. I knew who I was, what I wanted, and impressing Kryptonite or her friends wasn't on that list -- being a fun cool kick ass guy having a great time in an amazing location was what mattered. And it worked, that was the best weekend I've had in a very long time. Kryptonite ate it up, I got three blowjobs over 18 hours. I woke up in the night to coyotes howling and yipping in the distance.

The biggest thing I learned is that quality is massively important to me. I've been happy just to get attention and pussy. That was an improvement over just getting attention without the pussy, but now I want attention and pussy from quality women. Smart, funny, active, attractive women. Going from easily gaming a boring 6 to getting a taste of my true self and seeing it strongly attract a solid 9 all in the space of 48 hours, there's no question what I want from my life.

And the best part of it is that, as much fun as I had with Kryptonite, she doesn't have a hold on me the way every other woman would have had in my past. We enjoyed the hell out of each other and I want to keep spending time with her, but I got more pleasure out of experiencing myself at my best more than her attention.

(10-03-2016 03:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 01:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Don't let the idea that women can bring positive intangibles out of this post! Lol

At the same time, rose colored glasses for some of my past relationships.

WIA

Can you go into some depth about that ? or was that a typo and you meant can't bring positive intangibles**?

So off top
- pretty face, good body, good sex
- respectful in public, not crazy,
- hard skills like cooking, cleaning, caring for others

^ this should get a girl in the door.

So the next level is do your personalities mesh?

I dated a chick that liked the flat part of the chicken wing. I like the drumettes. This was a match made in heaven I thought.

I'm thinking to myself, on top of her being the prettiest girl I'd been with to date, she made me feel good just being around her.

You should already be about your business, but the right chick can inspire you and make you push forward. It's like nitrous oxide to your life.

That's the high that i chase with every chick. More often than not, I realize that I'm bringing her up, she's holding me back.

That's not something that I can manufacture or that she can. A chick can be generically in your corner is about as far as you can screen for that.

WIA

I have recently made good friends with a group of guys that have pretty great game. They understood I was in their realm from beginning and wanted to recruit me in. They are pushing to put my fashion & confidence game on the next level.

Really went out with them first time until close the other night.

What makes them special is they all understand the scene. They all do the best with what they have. They of course all dress fashionably, in great shape, great skin. Very eccentric, yet they all could probably destroy most guys in fights because they are all in great shape and have a crazy side. 3 out of the 4 of us are all 6ft+ tall (6'2, 6'4, 6'7). They all have a silver mouthpiece. All get their hands on girls easily and smoothly.

They all dance well, always high energy.

They go at 140 beats a minute when just hanging in a hallway at the house without a sweat. When they go out it is more like 170. Exhausted me at 10 hours straight of going out last weekend as an introvert.

Same time it was good for me to see what's possible.

They act with the mindsets hot chicks. This place, these people, they serve their entertainment. They laugh or smile 80%, sometimes 100% of the time or more and it's genuine. They flake on girls immediately that displease them including their own attractive female friends.

They look at wherever they go as a complete takeover and relish soaking up the attention and have other guys sour stare them.

They don't wait for a venue to get better, they keep moving. Almost as fast as I would if I were alone only as a group. Girls can't help but notice when they look around at the guys they are with standing around side step dancing or head bobbing with a beer.

Strange feeling because I love the lone wolf/shark feeling out there. This is the first time I ever truly enjoyed being a part of real pack.

If I could recruit my other lone wolf wing it would be like the fucking Machiavellian Power Rangers out there.

I can learn from them.

WIA Wrote:You should already be about your business, but the right chick can inspire you and make you push forward. It's like nitrous oxide to your life.

That's the high that i chase with every chick. More often than not, I realize that I'm bringing her up, she's holding me back.

This really resonates with me. There's only been a couple of girls from my past that I can say inspired me and gave me that boost of energy. And fuck if there haven't been a few girls that didn't even meet your "hard skills" criteria that I let into my life.

(10-03-2016 01:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 08:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Getting under ten other women doesn't really erase the loss.

WIA

Was with friends this weekend out of town and partying.

Friend's wife met my ex quite a few times and told me she thinks I might of messed up with her by dumping her. She knows I have a list of girls, hell she even hooked me up with one of her acquaintances.

I explained that we broke up because she wanted kids, marriage, her father was slowly dying, she smoked ciggs constantly, so it was amicable (for the most part).

She was a good girl in a complicated situation.

Banging quite a few girls past her - yeah - I still think about her from time to time. I probably will my entire life - some girls just leave an impression on your soul. She did, but doesn't mean I'm pining over her, or thinking of what if scenarios.

I felt comfortable around her to be kind of dork and weirdo - basically saying and doing whatever the fuck I want.

This new biker girl is really cool - we vibe on the same level - I find myself being a bit more and more myself around her while keep frame - basically we have fun, go out sometimes, and the come back and bang at my place. I do find myself doing some things I did with my ex that I'm doing with her - I don't think subconsciously I'm pretending this girl is my ex. Actually I'm not honestly sure and I'm just letting this play out. I wonder if it's possible to have a rebound relationship almost a year after dumping an ex. I don't think that's me, maybe it's just some old feelings being stirred.

Maybe it's just things I enjoyed with her, I'm enjoying with this new girl. Opening up with this new girl is a strange and new place, I tread lightly.

If you loved her you'll always think about your ex occasionally. But thinking about your ex and remembering with fondness is a long way from pining for her or regretting the break up.

I think about my old 7.5 year LTR occasionally and it's bittersweet because we shared many great experiences and grew up together but in the end we became different people and moving on was the right thing to do for both of us. I was also blissfully ignorant back then in my blue pill days, I found pair bonding so much easier.


Speaking of which, I'm making the mistake of acting like a boyfriend to a girl. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion but I just can't help myself. Or i could just be jaded...
She's 22, hot, low notch count, has real class and she's great fun to hang out with. I couldn't get her into bed until date 4 (first time its taken more than 2 dates here Asia), despite the fact that she was obviously attracted to me, but when I did the sex was great. She's been dancing her whole life (ballet) and does yoga so has a rock hard body and unlike most Asian girls she has a great butt. Banging her from behind I could do it all day the view is that great.

But I find myself doing things like hanging out with her even when there's no logistics for the bang, inviting her to stay the night or going shopping with her.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering an LTR with her but I don't know if I'm just infatuated. She has a couple of red flags:
Red flags:
- Tongue piercing (got it at 17)
- Parents are divorced and mum is "men are the devil, don't ever get married" type

I think she wants an LTR with me but she hasn't asked or said anything. I remember on our second or third date we talked about how relationships worked in our cultures and she said that for her the guy has to initiate it. Said she'd dated guys before who just assumed they were together and she was like "nope, you never said anything to me about it".

(10-02-2016 01:19 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-02-2016 11:40 AM)Bilboswaggins Wrote:  So can anyone give me a run-down on this situation: Met this girl about a month ago, chick was in a fading relationship as she called it and we banged on the third time we hung at my place which was a week after we met. So I was thinking, feminine ''good girl'' chick - doesn't drink, doesn't like to go out, washes dishes at my place without me ordering and so on. Everything was going fine for a month, sex was great, she swallowed, liked facials. She initiated texts, we talked nearly daily and came to my place to bang at least 2 days a week. Got cuddly, stayed over for the night and I thought that it was going great. Last week we met at my place while she was on her period, gave me some head and we made plans for the next time somewhere at the end of the week. I said that I don't have time until Thursday night and neither had she. Last we talked was some small-talk on Wednesday and she hasn't initiated anything since then. I've gone radio silence as well, to understand whether she's actually interested or not.

Should I just ask for a meet-up this week or wait until she initiates something? It's weird how fast they seemingly get cold. I'm thinking that she met up with her ex and I was just a fun fling in the mean time.

You were her rebound, now she realizes she's not in to you.
Typical.

WIA

So as it turned out, her ex contacted her last week and he wants to give it another go. She's saying that she can't overlook 2 years of being together with someone and end it over some petty problems as she put it. Asked me, whether people change. It was her first relationship ( she's 18) and the naivety doesn't fail to surprise me but hey, we've all been there. I'll estimate it at a few months until she comes back crying.

Some seriously great posts in this last page or two of the Player's Log / Lounge.

(10-04-2016 01:02 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Speaking of which, I'm making the mistake of acting like a boyfriend to a girl. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion but I just can't help myself. Or i could just be jaded...
She's 22, hot, low notch count, has real class and she's great fun to hang out with. I couldn't get her into bed until date 4 (first time its taken more than 2 dates here Asia), despite the fact that she was obviously attracted to me, but when I did the sex was great. She's been dancing her whole life (ballet) and does yoga so has a rock hard body and unlike most Asian girls she has a great butt. Banging her from behind I could do it all day the view is that great.

But I find myself doing things like hanging out with her even when there's no logistics for the bang, inviting her to stay the night or going shopping with her.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering an LTR with her but I don't know if I'm just infatuated. She has a couple of red flags:
Red flags:
- Tongue piercing (got it at 17)
- Parents are divorced and mum is "men are the devil, don't ever get married" type

I think she wants an LTR with me but she hasn't asked or said anything. I remember on our second or third date we talked about how relationships worked in our cultures and she said that for her the guy has to initiate it. Said she'd dated guys before who just assumed they were together and she was like "nope, you never said anything to me about it".

The red flags are pretty big that you pointed out, but the last one is the biggest. That is a huge red flag, because it means that the guys were by default offering monogamy and she was rejecting it (and fucking other dudes).

You REALLY think you know her notch count? Maybe she's one of those "blowjobs" don't count girls.

Either way, even if she's worth a LTR, you better damn make sure you play the normal "guy escalates physicality, girl escalates commitment" and stop with the weakening of your game. It will come back to bite you in the ass.

Asian girl with an ass, a rarity!

(10-04-2016 02:40 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Some seriously great posts in this last page or two of the Player's Log / Lounge.

(10-04-2016 01:02 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Speaking of which, I'm making the mistake of acting like a boyfriend to a girl. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion but I just can't help myself. Or i could just be jaded...
She's 22, hot, low notch count, has real class and she's great fun to hang out with. I couldn't get her into bed until date 4 (first time its taken more than 2 dates here Asia), despite the fact that she was obviously attracted to me, but when I did the sex was great. She's been dancing her whole life (ballet) and does yoga so has a rock hard body and unlike most Asian girls she has a great butt. Banging her from behind I could do it all day the view is that great.

But I find myself doing things like hanging out with her even when there's no logistics for the bang, inviting her to stay the night or going shopping with her.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering an LTR with her but I don't know if I'm just infatuated. She has a couple of red flags:
Red flags:
- Tongue piercing (got it at 17)
- Parents are divorced and mum is "men are the devil, don't ever get married" type

I think she wants an LTR with me but she hasn't asked or said anything. I remember on our second or third date we talked about how relationships worked in our cultures and she said that for her the guy has to initiate it. Said she'd dated guys before who just assumed they were together and she was like "nope, you never said anything to me about it".

The red flags are pretty big that you pointed out, but the last one is the biggest. That is a huge red flag, because it means that the guys were by default offering monogamy and she was rejecting it (and fucking other dudes).

You REALLY think you know her notch count? Maybe she's one of those "blowjobs" don't count girls.

Either way, even if she's worth a LTR, you better damn make sure you play the normal "guy escalates physicality, girl escalates commitment" and stop with the weakening of your game. It will come back to bite you in the ass.

Asian girl with an ass, a rarity!

The way I wrote that made it sounds bad. I wouldn't say she was rejecting the monogamy so much as not taking it for granted until a the guy actually said to her "I want you to be my gf", so until that conversation happened she considered herself single and assumed the guy was fucking around. However I don't get the impression she did much with that singledom, certainly not fucking random dudes.

I don't know her exact notch count, I don't usually ever ask that question and certainly not so early. However she only lost her virginity 2 years ago (It didn't feel like a lie) and for at least 6 months of that she was in a relationship, so, given the impression I have of her, I can't see it being very high. I could of course be very wrong.

Word on weakening my game, need to fix that shit up.

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  how can I reinforce to her that we are fuckbuddies?

Just tell her.

"I really like hanging out with you but I don't think either one of us really wants a serious relationship"

"Let's not ruin our awesome friendship by making it too serious"

"Would it bother you if we were just fuckbuddies"

"Don't you think that what makes the most sense right now is for us to just be fuckbuddies"

Some variation of that.

But..

Why do you need to reinforce it to her?

Why don't you just do what you want and let her worry about "defining" the relationship..

Don't make assumptions.

She might be okay with the situation or in the process of becoming okay with the situation.

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  Should I go along with a date or booty call?

Do whatever you want.

It doesn't matter.

A "booty call" can be more romantic than a "date".. (if you guys talk deeply, cuddle, she sleeps over, u go get breakfast, etc)

A "date" can be less intimate than a "booty call".. (if you take her out to eat, take her home, fuck her, send her home in an uber)

It all depends how you treat her, how you talk to her, how you connect, how you vibe together.

What you do doesn't matter so much.

HOW you do it is what matters.

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  my classes are small, so I don't wanna game girls there that I have to see for the entire semester.

Don't game them!

Just talk to them!

THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CONCEPTS!

You should be able to talk to girls without creeping them out.

You should be able to talk to girls without any noticeable sexual agenda.

You should be able to talk to girls casually and from that casual conversation, get a sense for which girls actually enjoyed talking to you and want to talk to you again.

Talk to the girls in your class, don't game them.

Until they invite you to.

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  online game, unfortunately I do not have any good pictures of myself, and I don't know where to take any.

Google it.

There is tons of information out there about online game and how to get good pics..

Search the forum!

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  I am extremely confident and apparently attractive. Should I be concerned about this and start working on toning my vibe down?

Yes, you want your vibe to match your target.

It's not so much about toning it "down' but rather FINE TUNING it to get the best results possible.

If your current vibe can be improved for better results, why wouldn't you improve it?

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  I am hoping this issue should be resolved if I stop drinking so much in a single night.

You probably drink too much.

Get smarter about your alcohol consumption.

(09-28-2016 05:22 PM)angryrussian Wrote:  I just have a problem of knowing when to close/escalate/isolate.

Short Answer:

Any time you have the opportunity to close/escalate/isolate -- Do it! That is the best way to learn.

Long Answer:

With more practice, you will develop a sense for when the girl wants to be closed/escalated/isolated. This will require practice and experience.

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(09-28-2016 08:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  what's the male equivalent of skrillex hair cuts, tattoos, feminism, et cetera

(09-28-2016 08:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  - What makes a guy look like a manwhore, but not a possible husband?

Looking like a bad boy.

Looking "R" selected.

(10-03-2016 08:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  At 40+ I'm supposed to know my shit.

I'm 40 and I feel like I'm just now starting to understand game.

I think there area lot of late bloomers that don't get a handle on their game until their 30s, 40s, and even 50s..

The biggest thing that has alarmed girls that I have been a manwhore has been my when my ego gets too large after several new bangs in a recent period.

They can tell I start using a voice that is entitled and a bit too impatient. Also one that expects success & compliance immediately. I probably get too loud, brash, unattentive. Definitely talk too much about myself or try to tell too many jokes.

Some sayings girls express this by saying things like:

"you talk like you always get what you want"

"wow you're arrogant!"

"that really works with the other girls?"

& my personal favorite of all time:

"do you need to get drunk to socialize?"


I know guys want to jump in and say - no that's just a shit test... yeah that is the dunce answer.

In these situations there isn't a playful tone they are already turned off. It is sloppy game at that point due to entitlement. It means fixes bigger than simply passing one test in conversation.



Whereas the better versions of these is when they know you are good with women, yet feel like they are being gamed well. Less entitlement, more making her feel unique and desired in a deeper way:

"mmm you move fast!"

"so who's your girlfriend? / how many gfs do you have?"

"you know too much"

"those girls over there think you're hot"

"you know the right things to say, how is that?"

"you have a sexy voice"

"you acted like you owned the place there"

"hmmm ok I'll take a shot with you"

"insert compliment here"



Having class in success vs. not. Funny enough girls care about sportsmanship afterall.

Great point about having class with success, and sportsmanship.

Although I've noticed that being called 'arrogant' is usually them realizing your alpha-ness, assuming you're not being a complete asshole.

Some chick called me arrogant because I said I'm one of the best at my particular job, during a conversation about that topic. Shrug. She still banged me because I didn't back down.

Travesty, if you get your fashion/style to the next level, you immediately jump up a point with girls, it's the ultimate cheat code. Even moreso if you're 6' or taller.

(10-04-2016 07:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Having class in success vs. not. Funny enough girls care about sportsmanship afterall.

Interesting distinctions you pointed out, the situations that weren't actually shit-tests.

However, this is a misunderstanding. Girls could give a fuck less about sportsmanship, it all comes down to how you make them feel. If you made them feel like a stupid slut for fucking you, they will punish you and view you horribly. If you make them feel like their attraction for you just overpowered them and you had an "intense" mutually satisfactory experience, they will be your demure kitty.

Nothing at all to do with sportsmanship. Not even that much to do with "class" either.

Just got back from a week in Colombia. It was great. Got a couple of notches and partied like crazy with Linux and a few other forum members.

Was actually a really epic week. Incredibly over the top and debaucherous. Fucked some crazy Brazilian slut. Also got this cute 20 year old Colombian girl to fall in love with me. Fucked her in the ass too. Hookers and blow. Got a tattoo on my butt. All around insane.

On the flight home I made friends with the dudes sitting in my row. Guy sitting next to me was a mid-60's sexpat. Showing my pics of his these big titted sexy girls from Cartegena who he dated. I told him to check out the forum.

(10-05-2016 12:16 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Just got back from a week in Colombia. It was great. Got a couple of notches and partied like crazy with Linux and a few other forum members.

Was actually a really epic week. Incredibly over the top and debaucherous. Fucked some crazy Brazilian slut. Also got this cute 20 year old Colombian girl to fall in love with me. Fucked her in the ass too. Hookers and blow. Got a tattoo on my butt. All around insane.

On the flight home I made friends with the dudes sitting in my row. Guy sitting next to me was a mid-60's sexpat. Showing my pics of his these big titted sexy girls from Cartegena who he dated. I told him to check out the forum.

Hit me up whenever you do Central/South America, That sounds like a wild week and I want in.

(10-05-2016 09:34 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 12:16 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Just got back from a week in Colombia. It was great. Got a couple of notches and partied like crazy with Linux and a few other forum members.

Was actually a really epic week. Incredibly over the top and debaucherous. Fucked some crazy Brazilian slut. Also got this cute 20 year old Colombian girl to fall in love with me. Fucked her in the ass too. Hookers and blow. Got a tattoo on my butt. All around insane.

On the flight home I made friends with the dudes sitting in my row. Guy sitting next to me was a mid-60's sexpat. Showing my pics of his these big titted sexy girls from Cartegena who he dated. I told him to check out the forum.

Hit me up whenever you do Central/South America, That sounds like a wild week and I want in.

I have an idea of gents from here meeting up centrally in one place and having a wild weekend, whether its SD, Denver, Chicago, NYC, etc.

Obviously we'd prescreen, facetime and all that stuff to get know eachother a bit, then meet up somewhere.

Think of it as an RVF vacation group, I know some guys already do that, or do it solo to meet up with other members. I also know Roosh does have some events, like speeches, or the RNC.

Perhaps maybe making an annual trip with a tribe or something similar would be dope.

Maybe try a trial run with a small group, domestic city, then expand outwards to different countries.