(09-20-2016 10:52 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  But because of how the game is set up, where can you take your dollars?

If you wanted to set up a club/disco in Charlotte
- would the landlords rent to you?
- would the city's cops not target and harass your patrons?
- would the citizens and neighbors not call and complain about the noise

WIA

With the pervasiveness of social media these days, I think black folk are slowly but surely beginning to wake up and become more conscious on how we spend our dollars. This $1.6 trillion dollar sleeping giant is beginning to toss n' turn in it's sleep.

But to your aforementioned point, as long as they continue to control the real estate our options will remain limited.

A few years ago, I was looking into opening a nice cozy neo-soul and soul food lounge in a commercial building which previously housed variations thereof. The leasing agent flat-out asked me "what kind of music will you be playing," and was in no way reticent in implying the owner did not want a black orientated establishment.

. . . on that note, has anyone heeded the call to open an account at a black bank?

Hard these days to do this type of thing alone.

The best success is always to have a diverse group of partners that can all leverage strengths and minimize weaknesses.

Let a partner deal with that ass-hole landlord. Once the lease money starts coming in he isn't going to give a shit if you play Jazz or Trap.

(09-20-2016 01:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Black banks need to make sound investment decisions. To finance a hospitality business, need a expertise on both sides of the table.

WIA

To add onto this. Black Banks, or much better to call it Black Capital needs to branch out beyond the typical adventures in hospitality.

You have long standing large capital groups in historic centre of Black commerce like Atlanta and Chicago. They have boatloads of cash and have to dump it somewhere. They do typical stuff like land and real estate flips then like to dump capital on new ventures if they can.

I bring this up because the new meme now is the complain about the lack of black representation in places like Silicon Valley. My take is that you are not going to see a big massive explosion of Black people in SF. Black Start-ups and ventures will be born out of the places where Black Capital has historically been in place.

Cities such as:

Chicago
Atlanta
Philly
NYC
LA
Houston
Miami

This is where the lions share of Black American wealth resides. These are the places where Black Capital sits waiting to invest. Places like Miami and Atlanta will be the Black American answer to Silicon Valley. A bunch of pasty Asperger dudes who grew up in Suburban Boston ain't going to give a scrappy Ivy League educated dude from Memphis any cash. Let him take his idea to Atlanta or LA where longstanding Black wealth will throw money at him if his idea and finance plans make sense.

Once you reach a certain age, it should be about can she help you make money!

Start looking at women as business partners, ultimately that is what marriage is once you sign on the dotted line.

How is she with money also!

I had a P.I friend do a credit check on some nutbar I was dating a long time ago. Turned out she was in the hole for $15k by maxing out her credit cards.
This explained why she never answered her phone, collectors were calling her house down.

I wouldn't do that move again, I only did it then because she was a pathological liar.

Money does not conquer all.
Greed rarely beats racism.

WIA

You're talking my language when it comes to maximizing the benefits of dating and social circles. Women, or just people in general, hate to be used, but loved to be utilized. Therefore, it's important to capitalize on your relationships in a way that's empowering for people. I always try to share resources, business leads, opportunities, etc. In doing so, folks pick up the phone when I call.
Similarly, with chicks, whether we've smashed or not, I always try to keep things on a good note because you never know when you'll need a good CPA or real estate broker, lol.

(09-28-2016 05:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  I bring this up because the new meme now is the complain about the lack of black representation in places like Silicon Valley. My take is that you are not going to see a big massive explosion of Black people in SF. Black Start-ups and ventures will be born out of the places where Black Capital has historically been in place.

Cities such as:

Chicago
Atlanta
Philly
NYC
LA
Houston
Miami

This is where the lions share of Black American wealth resides. These are the places where Black Capital sits waiting to invest. Places like Miami and Atlanta will be the Black American answer to Silicon Valley. A bunch of pasty Asperger dudes who grew up in Suburban Boston ain't going to give a scrappy Ivy League educated dude from Memphis any cash. Let him take his idea to Atlanta or LA where longstanding Black wealth will throw money at him if his idea and finance plans make sense.

I could be ignorant on this matter but wouldn't Washington D.C be there too?

(09-28-2016 06:16 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 05:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  I bring this up because the new meme now is the complain about the lack of black representation in places like Silicon Valley. My take is that you are not going to see a big massive explosion of Black people in SF. Black Start-ups and ventures will be born out of the places where Black Capital has historically been in place.

Cities such as:

Chicago
Atlanta
Philly
NYC
LA
Houston
Miami

This is where the lions share of Black American wealth resides. These are the places where Black Capital sits waiting to invest. Places like Miami and Atlanta will be the Black American answer to Silicon Valley. A bunch of pasty Asperger dudes who grew up in Suburban Boston ain't going to give a scrappy Ivy League educated dude from Memphis any cash. Let him take his idea to Atlanta or LA where longstanding Black wealth will throw money at him if his idea and finance plans make sense.

I could be ignorant on this matter but wouldn't Washington D.C be there too?

Dc Tech seems to be focused on servicing the Fed and Defense Contractors. The big money seems to be in Cybersecurity.

Here's a good break down on those problems
https:[email protected]/innovat....5kt5k0mll

Silicon Valley seems to be focused on 1) business and 2) consumers

DC does have incubators though.

Here's one

http://halcyonincubator.org/

WIA

Yes indeed. D.C. is in fact a place I missed.

Like WIA mentioned it is tied to the hip with Govt contractors but as far as Black wealth is concerned it is another major center

(09-20-2016 07:12 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:32 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:06 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The door policy was discussed about 10 pages before, can we get off this topic.

I agree with you although I'm glad it was brought up again... I think it needs to be emphasized to others to stop dressing like crap and hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Your putting emphasis on the clothing, yes I agree it is important to dress a certain way.

I wear dress shoes that cost more than most people's suits, I say this not to brag but to show you that I still get turned away from clubs.

The real issue isn't clothing, it is deeper than that.

So let's focus on the positive, you stated that you were getting into promoting.

That is one way of assuring you get into the club.

Im not denying it is deeper than that but you are right we can leave this topic alone now.

Well I have a long history in promoting clubs... I did for a while when I was 19 and then came back to the whole idea again in my late 20s in NYC with great success... Its a VERY VERY effective way to meet women. Probably the most effective way ive ever seen and experienced. Believe me when I tell you.. you will never have to open girls ever again because they NEED you. If you are one of the top promoters and have a great rep your value levels will be through the roof and you can fairly easily get a 9 or better. When I was doing this I managed to land one of the best girls Ive ever had -- early 20s Blonde from Copenhagen... On top of that I even managed to pull of a threesome and other crazy adventures.

The negatives:

In the beginning its hard work and a serious grind. It takes alot of connections and ingenuity and from I can see in NYC now (MONEY) to stand out amongst the others. Youll have to be in nightclubs every Friday and Saturday night like clockwork. You will be constantly drinking since alcohol is free for you and your people. Impossible to have a steady girlfriend as she wont trust you around tons of hot girls every night of the weekend. I guess there are many but in my opinion the positives outweigh the negatives.

After over 5 years of living here and going out ive been able to get into certain social circles and it was SUPER FUCKING HARD since im not a native German. I managed to squeeze out my own party here...

The owner was and is super fucking reluctant to give me a chance but I managed to gather so many people on the event he cant say no.. (im over 1000 people interested at the moment). Im in the process now of trying to make people identify me as the face of the party so I can get as many guys/girls to add me on facebook to increase my appeal. Ive added over 50 people in the last couple days so hopefully this improves.

If the party works hopefully this will lead to me being called for additional parties and business. I will have the top party in all of my city on this night. No other party at a club bigger than mine.

I need to vent here a little:

I'll be honest and say this is the last "social" Hail Mary pass for me. I'm unhappy with my results with women here. I'm frustrated and maybe my expectations for Germany or this city were too high. Don't get me wrong... I am getting girls and getting laid regularly but not with the women I want.

Those 8+ girls are all going to white German men and I can't seem to beat them no matter what I do. I compare my results to the other Africans around here and im doing better quality wise but not by much. So I know im not falling behind the others.

If this doesn't work I think im going to take a step back.. stop everything and rethink my situation here completely. It was a hell of a fight to even get this far.

Sorry for venting but... UGH

Coming back from Kiev was an amazing experience...I definitely learned a lot
about game and had a great time with the other forum members who were
there...we learned a lot from each other actually.

I can say up front that I did not get a flag in the time I spent there however
that was more a matter of running out of time and vacation/work schedules
than getting numbers and going on dates.

By the way getting numbers is pretty easy in Kiev...I'll admit I wasn't as
productive as other forum members who literally pounded the pavement day
and night...however even with a casual approach, going to clubs and bars I
was able to meet great girls and go on dates.

That said, just going to clubs and bars, even in Kiev, severely limits your
potential by a factor of 10x. For every 8 that I saw at Caribbean Club there
were twenty certified 9's and 10's walking the streets by day.

Rarely do you get the opportunity to approach so many beautiful women
during the day in so many different places...it makes you realize that most
cities actually work against you when it comes to meeting women.

I also learned that in Kiev you have to be a little more aggressive and be
willing to stop women in the street...good day game there is essential.

As for getting the women that you want...I'd say that you just have to work
harder and smarter...many of the 9's and 10's in clubs are already going to
have boyfriends or husbands. They are extremely hard to filter out
and can make it damn near impossible to hit the volume of available 9's and
10's you need to engage to be successful.

After my time in Kiev and seeing other forum members results, I found that
success for me means:
1. Staying long enough to go on multiple dates with a girl
2. Speaking the language
3. Approaching more women on a daily basis(productivity)

By the way, why don't you host your own private party? It's more
intimate/personal and you can filter out the girls who just go to clubs to
dance, drink and waste your time.

I also learned that no matter where you are, at the 9-10 level it's
competitive, just like running a race, you have to be able to run
longer and faster and smarter than anybody else and grab that opportunity
before someone else takes it....

Russian/Ukrainian 9/10's?

Fellas, Pass or can't pass up?

WIA

The U.S.department of Justice is going after a Houston club for racial discrimination

Wow

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/us-just...on-8812283

(09-29-2016 09:28 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Russian/Ukrainian 9/10's?

Fellas, Pass or can't pass up?

WIA

Pass, unless you speak the lingo and can stay there for 6 months.

Although, I am up for a good challenge.

I have a FSU trip penciled in for next year, it will be epic.

(09-28-2016 10:32 PM)kosko Wrote:  Yes indeed. D.C. is in fact a place I missed.

Like WIA mentioned it is tied to the hip with Govt contractors but as far as Black wealth is concerned it is another major center

You just breached forum rules for posting that!

But in all seriousness, I miss D.C too. I saw brothas getting quality of all types during my time there. It does have it's drawbacks (the white girls) but I'm not losing any sleep not fucking Beckys to be honest. The black and Latina quality I saw in the D.C area was enough for me.

Sorry I have been away for a while fellas. Normally I love to chime in regularly on the conversation.

My big event is tomorrow and I managed to get 1350 people interested and 150 added to my Facebook. Some actually really hot girls..

Girls have been hitting me up for small talk already.

Lets see if this works.

(09-29-2016 06:04 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Sorry I have been away for a while fellas. Normally I love to chime in regularly on the conversation.

My big event is tomorrow and I managed to get 1350 people interested and 150 added to my Facebook. Some actually really hot girls..

Girls have been hitting me up for small talk already.

Lets see if this works.

Kirdiesel where are you located?

(09-29-2016 06:04 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Sorry I have been away for a while fellas. Normally I love to chime in regularly on the conversation.

My big event is tomorrow and I managed to get 1350 people interested and 150 added to my Facebook. Some actually really hot girls..

Girls have been hitting me up for small talk already.

Lets see if this works.

Rooting for you man!

WIA

(09-29-2016 06:36 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 06:04 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Sorry I have been away for a while fellas. Normally I love to chime in regularly on the conversation.

My big event is tomorrow and I managed to get 1350 people interested and 150 added to my Facebook. Some actually really hot girls..

Girls have been hitting me up for small talk already.

Lets see if this works.

Kirdiesel where are you located?

From the US but have been living in Cologne, Germany for almost 6 years.

(09-29-2016 11:55 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:28 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Russian/Ukrainian 9/10's?

Fellas, Pass or can't pass up?

WIA

Pass, unless you speak the lingo and can stay there for 6 months.

Although, I am up for a good challenge.

I have a FSU trip penciled in for next year, it will be epic.

where in the FSU? cause you know its a massive place. I legitimately cannot pass on those slavic girls man they make me week at the knees. Over there is gonna be tough man seeing the numbers on wikipedia most of the girls in that region can't speak english compared to western/northern europe.

(09-30-2016 06:04 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  where in the FSU? cause you know its a massive place. I legitimately cannot pass on those slavic girls man they make me week at the knees. Over there is gonna be tough man seeing the numbers on wikipedia most of the girls in that region can't speak english compared to western/northern europe.

On the bright side that might be a good thing because they are less influenced by Western Culture.

(09-30-2016 06:04 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 11:55 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:28 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Russian/Ukrainian 9/10's?

Fellas, Pass or can't pass up?

WIA

Pass, unless you speak the lingo and can stay there for 6 months.

Although, I am up for a good challenge.

I have a FSU trip penciled in for next year, it will be epic.

where in the FSU? cause you know its a massive place. I legitimately cannot pass on those slavic girls man they make me week at the knees. Over there is gonna be tough man seeing the numbers on wikipedia most of the girls in that region can't speak english compared to western/northern europe.

The destination has not fully been decided as of yet. I may take the safe route of Kiev or Siberia or another place which I will not reveal.

What is wikipedia? LOL

Another thing that was awesome was meeting so many forum members in Kiev. A lot of them travel full time and have online businesses or do trading or have passive income.

It was pretty awesome hanging out at The Bar, meeting for lunch, happy hour on Kreschatyk, day game etc

The truth is that you can do well without speaking Russian however you'll miss a lot of opportunities...

And eventually you'll want to learn Russian.. Especially when you see so many beautiful women walking around you in the grocery stores and on the street, in the malls etc on a daily basis...it's the best kind of motivation for learning.

(09-30-2016 09:59 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  Another thing that was awesome was meeting so many forum members in Kiev. A lot of them travel full time and have online businesses or do trading or have passive income.

It was pretty awesome hanging out at The Bar, meeting for lunch, happy hour on Kreschatyk, day game etc

The truth is that you can do well without speaking Russian however you'll miss a lot of opportunities...

And eventually you'll want to learn Russian.. Especially when you see so many beautiful women walking around you in the grocery stores and on the street, in the malls etc on a daily basis...it's the best kind of motivation for learning.

You spent a month there and garnered no bang. Any reason you would still recommend this place? I was interested in Kiev initially, why I sent you a PM, but i'm not too interested in learning Russian just to game some chicks for a few weeks. What did you do for a month besides game and hang out? I feel that would get boring after a while.

-CD

In Apollo's defense, I'd learn Portuguese for possible Brazilian bangs. I have dated Russians, Ukrainians, and some southern eastern Europeans - so the value proposition isn't that high for me. Bad accents, worse food, same female entitlement and overall selfishness. The only plus is how easily pacified they are with material goods.

Our white brethren can find difference between Nordic, Scandinavian, and Slavic faces versus generic American white girls, but to borrow a phrase

All you people look alike to me.

WIA

Man, this, and the travel thread are the only topics on this entire site I generally fux with. I just want say thank you brothers for all the valuable input.

*carry-on*

(09-30-2016 10:23 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:59 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  Another thing that was awesome was meeting so many forum members in Kiev. A lot of them travel full time and have online businesses or do trading or have passive income.

It was pretty awesome hanging out at The Bar, meeting for lunch, happy hour on Kreschatyk, day game etc

The truth is that you can do well without speaking Russian however you'll miss a lot of opportunities...

And eventually you'll want to learn Russian.. Especially when you see so many beautiful women walking around you in the grocery stores and on the street, in the malls etc on a daily basis...it's the best kind of motivation for learning.

You spent a month there and garnered no bang. Any reason you would still recommend this place? I was interested in Kiev initially, why I sent you a PM, but i'm not too interested in learning Russian just to game some chicks for a few weeks. What did you do for a month besides game and hang out? I feel that would get boring after a while.

-CD

It's complicated...although I found my experiences were pretty similar to
other who have gone. The first 2 weeks you're just figuring the place out.
Looking back I didn't have a gameplan. I didn't even know what to expect.

The one thing about Kiev that you don't find in other places is so many
beautiful women all in one place all while outnumbering the men..it's
ridiculous.

I've never experienced anything like it before...there's so much opportunity
around you literally everywhere you go...that's the prize.

However you're got to pound the pavement as soon as you
arrive...approaching women all day. I relied mostly on night game and that
only takes you so far.

I think it was more of a hangup for me not knowing the language well
and not feeling very comfortable doing more deliberate approaches by day.
I could have worked harder...I took more of a casual approach.

I met girls and went on dates...it just takes a little while longer(3 date rule)
and if you get flakes or the girl is going on vacation which happened a lot,
then you're going to need more time for busy schedules.

By the time I left I had a pretty good roster...but it was time to go...
One forum member (who is also a brother) who lives there doesn't ever want to
leave...he's had a lot of success there.

There's not many brothers there....very very few...I probably saw about 15
the entire month of August...The place is a goldmine. It does take some
getting used to and you have to be careful and be willing to go after these
girls...that's why I'm learning Russian it's totally worth it....

As far as staying the entire month, everything is so cheap you end up just
living there and getting into a routine...I joined a gym and explored the city,
did some shopping...between that and dating and going out, the month goes by
pretty fast.

I'd still be there if I didn't have to come back to Germany.

(09-30-2016 06:28 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 10:23 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:59 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  Another thing that was awesome was meeting so many forum members in Kiev. A lot of them travel full time and have online businesses or do trading or have passive income.

It was pretty awesome hanging out at The Bar, meeting for lunch, happy hour on Kreschatyk, day game etc

The truth is that you can do well without speaking Russian however you'll miss a lot of opportunities...

And eventually you'll want to learn Russian.. Especially when you see so many beautiful women walking around you in the grocery stores and on the street, in the malls etc on a daily basis...it's the best kind of motivation for learning.

You spent a month there and garnered no bang. Any reason you would still recommend this place? I was interested in Kiev initially, why I sent you a PM, but i'm not too interested in learning Russian just to game some chicks for a few weeks. What did you do for a month besides game and hang out? I feel that would get boring after a while.

-CD

It's complicated...although I found my experiences were pretty similar to
other who have gone. The first 2 weeks you're just figuring the place out.
Looking back I didn't have a gameplan. I didn't even know what to expect.

The one thing about Kiev that you don't find in other places is so many
beautiful women all in one place all while outnumbering the men..it's
ridiculous.

I've never experienced anything like it before...there's so much opportunity
around you literally everywhere you go...that's the prize.

However you're got to pound the pavement as soon as you
arrive...approaching women all day. I relied mostly on night game and that
only takes you so far.

I think it was more of a hangup for me not knowing the language well
and not feeling very comfortable doing more deliberate approaches by day.
I could have worked harder...I took more of a casual approach.

I met girls and went on dates...it just takes a little while longer(3 date rule)
and if you get flakes or the girl is going on vacation which happened a lot,
then you're going to need more time for busy schedules.

By the time I left I had a pretty good roster...but it was time to go...
One forum member (who is also a brother) who lives there doesn't ever want to
leave...he's had a lot of success there.

There's not many brothers there....very very few...I probably saw about 15
the entire month of August...The place is a goldmine. It does take some
getting used to and you have to be careful and be willing to go after these
girls...that's why I'm learning Russian it's totally worth it....

As far as staying the entire month, everything is so cheap you end up just
living there and getting into a routine...I joined a gym and explored the city,
did some shopping...between that and dating and going out, the month goes by
pretty fast.

I'd still be there if I didn't have to come back to Germany.

Okay I see, so pretty much, day game leads to better results there it seems. Would you say you were getting around the quality you got back home? A month of passive gaming should still lead to a bang I would think. Either way I commend you on going. If you could drop/update one of the existing data sheets with your detailed experiences, i'm sure many of us would appreciate it when we finally make the journey over to Ukraine.

-CD