@Iso - that has been covered on this thread before.

Please go back and read the posts.

Dress nice and if you can go with a girl, that should increase your chances but it isn't 100 percent.

(08-14-2016 06:12 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  So I just settled in after getting home from Berlin for the weekend.. I was only there from Friday to Sunday and only went out 1 day/night but wanted to give some initial impressions while they are fresh in my mind.

1. Despite being a big city I didn't see many brothers (Africans) I mean maybe a little more than Cologne. But not a significant difference.

2. On Saturday I went sightseeing... I walked 8 miles through the city and also to the main shopping area and I saw a few brothers but only ONE brother holding the hand of a fine ass white girl.. I would say she was about an 8. Better than I see in Cologne though.

3. Saturday night - I went clubbing with the girl I was visiting in Berlin...

We went to a club called "Avenue".... was dark and kind of dead... Maybe a bad night.

We went to a club called "The Pearl" - This place played hip hop all night and I saw about 6 or 7 brothers there. Seemed like a very touristy location and the the door isnt selective enough so you got all kinds of people in there but still some decent girls. Maybe a guy with some decent game could pull in here.... There is a MASSIVE VIP/TABLE area which locks away I would say about 40% of girls in the club which i hate with a passion. So if you don't have access to this area I think you lose access to tons of girls as well... I don't think I'd be a regular at this place if i lived in Berlin but if you dont know where to go it seems good.

All the brothers I saw this the club had nothing.

Finally we went to Berghain at 4 am - Underground Techno club where everyone is dressed in black with a super tight door.... The line was super super super long so we didnt bother to go in.... You have to wear all black to get into this place but I thought i saw some decent girls on the line.... Don't try getting into this place unless you are dressed completely in all black and are a fan of the underground warehouse techno scene.

Overall Impression: From what everyone says its a very alternative city and for the most part I agree with it. Tinder says its very international but I didnt have too much luck pipelining on there but my gut tells me this is best location in Germany for brothers but you gotta find the right location and party or else its gonna be tough. Once again I was in Berlin with a girl so I didnt end up going out both nights and wasn't able to approach other girls and test the reactions.. I could just watch what other brothers were doing.

I just came back from Berlin last weekend..

COVERDOC I think is our resident Berlin expert since he spent an extended amount of time there. PM him

Rule for ME in Germany is: If you are worried about face control.. Suit up.

I visited almost 3 clubs and saw maybe 10 brothers in the entire time.

@@Kirdiesel

What's suited up in Germany look like?

Jacket and jeans
Jacket and slacks
Club suit
Full business suit

Pics would be great

WIA

(08-18-2016 04:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's suited up in Germany look like?


Pics would be great

WIA

lol, sorry this popped in my head for some reason

Im reading contradictory information on the internet about Berlin clubs. Some of the info said to not dress well. Dress unassuming to get into the tough doors because the bouncers at Berlin clubs hate mainstream looks

Disclaimer: This was general info from the websites I read, not specifically meant for brothers.it could be different for black guys

(08-18-2016 05:29 PM)Iso Wrote:  Im reading contradictory information on the internet about Berlin clubs. Some of the info said to not dress well. Dress unassuming to get into the tough doors because the bouncers at Berlin clubs hate mainstream looks

Disclaimer: This was general info from the websites I read, not specifically meant for brothers.it could be different for black guys

Bro, read my post and the others on here about Berlin. I promise you if you follow that you will have a great time.

-CD

(08-18-2016 04:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @@Kirdiesel

What's suited up in Germany look like?

Jacket and jeans
Jacket and slacks
Club suit
Full business suit

Pics would be great

WIA

I wear fashionable suits... Alot of my wardrobe contains items from SUITSUPPLY if that gives you any direction.

(08-18-2016 05:29 PM)Iso Wrote:  Im reading contradictory information on the internet about Berlin clubs. Some of the info said to not dress well. Dress unassuming to get into the tough doors because the bouncers at Berlin clubs hate mainstream looks

Disclaimer: This was general info from the websites I read, not specifically meant for brothers.it could be different for black guys

Like anywhere else you are going to have to plan your night and correctly dress for the places you are planning on going to.

If you are doing an underground club night then you can dress down... but if you are going to a couple of high end places then ull probably have to dress up.

(08-18-2016 05:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I wear fashionable suits... Alot of my wardrobe contains items from SUITSUPPLY if that gives you any direction.

I just bought a Sienna 2 months back. I'm actually setting paper aside for their January Sale. I want to cop like 4 at a time.

WIA

(08-18-2016 08:19 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Speaking of foreign girls, any of you been watching the Olympics? Damn, some of those female athletes do it for me, especially those track and field chicks.

Man, some of the women in the Olympics are stunning. Built like a brickhouse. Especially some of the gymnast and runners. I especially like the tiny thick frames on the gymnasts. Anyone seen the collage of crotch shots from the Olympics, especially that latina volleyball player?? (Yes, I'm a pervert, lol)

(08-18-2016 09:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I wear fashionable suits... Alot of my wardrobe contains items from SUITSUPPLY if that gives you any direction.

I just bought a Sienna 2 months back. I'm actually setting paper aside for their January Sale. I want to cop like 4 at a time.

WIA

I have a Havana, Lazio, 2Copenhagens, 3 Washingtons, a Soho, Jort pants and a couple other items.

I'm an addict and need help

(08-20-2016 07:01 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 09:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I wear fashionable suits... Alot of my wardrobe contains items from SUITSUPPLY if that gives you any direction.

I just bought a Sienna 2 months back. I'm actually setting paper aside for their January Sale. I want to cop like 4 at a time.

WIA

I have a Havana, Lazio, 2Copenhagens, 3 Washingtons, a Soho, Jort pants and a couple other items.

I'm an addict and need help

What type of shoes do you rock with these suits?

Dressing like that should not give you a problem getting into any club, across the globe.

(08-23-2016 01:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 07:01 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 09:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I wear fashionable suits... Alot of my wardrobe contains items from SUITSUPPLY if that gives you any direction.

I just bought a Sienna 2 months back. I'm actually setting paper aside for their January Sale. I want to cop like 4 at a time.

WIA

I have a Havana, Lazio, 2Copenhagens, 3 Washingtons, a Soho, Jort pants and a couple other items.

I'm an addict and need help

What type of shoes do you rock with these suits?

Dressing like that should not give you a problem getting into any club, across the globe.

I'll be honest...I don't always dress like that when I go out but if I'm going to a club without a girl on my arm and I don't know the doorman I won't even bother leaving the house without one of those suits on.

Not about to give one of those idiots any excuse to ruin my night.

2 pairs of double monks... one Suede and one leather.. I also have leather brown boots... tassel loafesr as well as regular loafers.... I am lacking on the shoe game since i spend so much on suits and shirts but I have the basics down.

-delete-

Question: How do I play with a girl's emotions using my words?

Lately I've been trying to make my conversations more suggestive using by speaking with a deeper voice, looking at a girl out of the corner of my eyes, and touching them more often. Hasn't really gotten much success at this point.

I mostly stick to daygame, it's my preference.

Edit: I'm referring to WIA's and DimeBait's posts on page 106. That's where I'm stuck.

@Kirdiesel - I feel ya on not wearing suits to certain events.

I am not trying to come across like Joe provider.

Like my man Moma said in one of our podcasts, he wants the girl to buy him a drink not the other way around.

(08-23-2016 09:20 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  Question: How do I play with a girl's emotions using my words?

Lately I've been trying to make my conversations more suggestive using by speaking with a deeper voice, looking at a girl out of the corner of my eyes, and touching them more often. Hasn't really gotten much success at this point.

I mostly stick to daygame, it's my preference.

Edit: I'm referring to WIA's and DimeBait's posts on page 106. That's where I'm stuck.

Don't recall what you're referring to exactly. Can you quote it here for all the lazy players. In terms of playing with a girl's emotions using words, if it's a new chick you just opened, i usually roll with some heavy teasing followed by light compliments, but nothing in regards to her physical feature. Usually I can go more of a slow pace and gauge from the convo what gets her emotions revved up.

If it's night game, depends on how I feel. Sometimes i'll walk the strip simply looking at girls and when they get close saying "ewww." Has got me some great reactions because they wonder how/why I had the balls to say that, makes them self conscious and they come over usually with a smile and open me. If talking with a deeper voice and touching them hasn't been working for you, try to switch it up. I don't necessarily touch girls as I give them a light push to their arms or go for a high five early and say "whoa calmed down, you just tried to hold my hand thirsty." Keep experimenting and always be approaching.

-CD

^Do you say "eww" with a smile or a serious face? Vocal tone? What's your overall body language and mindset like? I need to add more teasing.

@Basket

You've come to the right place. We can get back to talking about game.

1) From jump let's make some assumptions
- you're in a place where she can hear what you say
- chick is sober ENOUGH to get what you're saying

2) Let's also assume some basic psychology

- more than 90% of human communication is nonverbal. What that means is that all of us, all of the time, are broadcasting our emotions and thoughts. Even when she doesn't want to, even when you don't want her to she's processing your clothes, fitness, whether you lean into her to chat, etc.

- what are conscious thoughts and desires are, sometimes conflict with our volume, tone, demeanor, and body language.

When you're totally on point, everything you say and do is consistent with what you're about.

When you're a halfway crook, your nonverbal communication betrays what's coming out of your mouth.

3) basic game sequence is

1. See the chick
2. Approach
3. Get her attention

4. Then you spit - this is you showing off your personality (but never your stuff)

5. And when she starts to bite, when she wants to be cool....you make her invest more and more before you start to be chill.

6-9 is getting her to trust you and increasing the sexual tension, and getting her back to the crib.

Now your question was about influencing her emotions. And a new player is likely to look at what I've just said and focus on step 4, what sort of emotions you want to evoke and how during the time when you're actively recruiting a chick to join your team.

That's what a lot of these players do, and what a lot of these new school net players teach.

But that's why I started this little chat about basic psychology, nonverbal communication, and the overall sequence of the game.

Because those things AFFECT her emotions and predisposition to you before you say a word.

When Rudebwoy steps up to these chicks, they know before he says a word that's he's the real deal. When Moma tries to do a little ting, his voice, mannerisms, and vibe start telling his story before the girl realizes he's from London town.

What's happening to the girl, whether she wants to deal with it consciously or not, is she's building up an expectation of what is about to go down. When they say she knows whether she wants to fuck in 5 seconds, this is what they're referring to. Not some excel spreadsheet evaluation, but her gut feeling as informed by your nonverbal communication.

This isn't SMV the way them other folks talk about it. It's a subjective in the moment sexual market value for her. And what players that go out a lot have learned is those feelings she has are his to play with.

I say that you're already, automatically doing things emotionally to the girl. You've set the stage.

So steps 1-3 are important to making the girl "feel."

You already know that you need to dress in a way that gives you your mojo. That doesn't always mean a suit. If you been working out, it might mean a fitted Fred Perry polo to let the biceps breathe. For me, it might be a red gold and green bracelet. Or if it's during the day and there's nuff air conditioning, light colored suit, pastel dress shirt, and some brown dress shoes.

The same care the lady takes in getting ready is not just about looking good. She's feeling good, even in shoes that don't feel good.

So you step up, fresh out the shower, got you Tom Ford tobacco and vanilla body oil on (word to Anabis), fresh off a good workout, smelling good, drank in your palm, music is good. - This to me is the ideal. This is stage zero.

Stage zero will change with the environment and time - but this is where you want your mind to be.

Step 1 - The walk up, and how you use it to evoke emotion

Step up confident, like you've done this and been successful a million times. Her senses are looking for you to falter even before you say a word. Your walk over to her is your body language communicating nonverbally, and that's affecting her emotional state.

If you're coming at her timidly or drunkenly, she's going to have an.
automatic mental impression.

A dog doesn't need to speak English for me to know if he's friend or foe. Game is operating on that deep a level, I can't stress this enough. We are animals, lions wearing Nike's.

Make eye contact with her before you say a word, if you can. It's not always possible.

There are two reasons why you want to

A) Making eye contact before you spit, reduces the chance of her being surprised and scared by you talking to her.

Lot of guys inadvertently frighten chicks by just popping up out of nowhere. The adrenalin hits her system, and she's in fight or flight mode. You don't want to do that accidentally. (Sometimes you want to do that on purpose - that's a different post)

You do not want to scare the cat. *sometimes working with her emotions is avoiding ones that aren't helpful. And by sometimes,i mean a lot of the time. A chick in a state of momentary alarm is to be avoided.

B) Strong direct eye contact is one of those things that people don't really give each other. With a guy, it can start a fight. With a girl, it can start the sexual process.

So you can tell the chick what you're about just through your eyes.

This is working on her emotions nonverbally.

There is a lot to be said about eye contact, but let me be clear, this is not making eye contact before you even step up to her from across the room five minutes ago. That's what a lot of naturals do. They either notice chicks clock them, or they fish for it. I will always think that is weak game, but I'll never tell you that it's not effective.

I'm saying that you see the girl you like, cold approach, but come at her in her line of sight or her field of view.

This is you taking action with your ego at stake, not playing it safe and letting her choose you.

This is a crucial distinction between what guys who are in the game for real, and guys that just manage to fuck.

So your stage zero vibe, your overall look and how you feel in your skin, the walk up, the eye contact - all these things are affecting her emotions *before* you even open your mouth.

Before we move on to the talking aspect, I know what I've just described sounds like you need to be this swaggering alpha male. Because that's what guys think when I say confident. Although that is confidence, That's not the confidence I mean.

The confidence I'm talking about is that when you walk into a dark room, you know there is a light switch, and you're confident that by flicking the switch, the light will come on. There is no ego involved. There is no faking it until you make it. The light may flicker, maybe a bulb needs to be changed on occasion - but you turn the knob and it comes on. It's just that simple.

And that's the frame of mind, but also the frame you're going to use.

Frames are a complicated concept, but when people interact, below the verbal conversation are the roles being played out. Teacher/student, wife/husband, cop/citizen.

When you interact with a seven year old, you're the adult, he is the kid, you both know your roles. The kid will test you, but you're still the adult, you don't take the tests seriously, because ....you're the adult and he is the kid. Even when the kid makes a good point!

But what happens when the roles aren't clear?

What players have learned over the centuries, is that there is student, a child, a citizen, a wife in people even outside of those contexts. So when you act like Daddy, she becomes your daughter.

Your behavior, your demeanor, body language triggers reciprocal behavior in her.

We know this intuitively as human beings, it's not really part of the conversation we have on an intellectual level on a day to day basis.

So when a person is being loud, or they're upset, you come into the picture with calming voice and understanding vibe. What happens next? The upset person calms down.

They are the child, you are the parent. They react like a child would to a strong parent. You'll see this in the workplace. You'll see these movies being played out.

Not always an easy thing, but it's in the skillset of most of us. And for you sociopaths out there, you're even better at the game because you guys feel nothing...

When it comes to the game, the guy that is the life of the party - he has this frame that people want to fall into. They want him to lead them into having as much fun as him.

I haven't even gotten into what to say yet.

Let me know if you're following me.

But if you are understanding what I'm saying, it should be clear to you how little the actual content of your words matter

WIA

"A dog doesn't need to speak English for me to know whether it is friend or foe"

Haymaker right there. Nuff said.

Profound and inspiring. It's posts like these that keep me coming back to this forum. WIA is a huge asset here. Long overdue rep point from me. +1

You need to write a book, WIA. Seriously.

WIA and A2B both know my Vanilla body oil trick?
WTF?
I need to step up my security.

@Huey

working on it


@AboveAverageJoe

It's insane how good it smells and the effect it has on the ladies. I wonder what the real one smells like.

Surprised my local incense guy hasn't created a kush and honey, black and mild and mocha, clove and chocolate

@crude

Appreciate it. I'm just reporting how this goes down at the club and bars. Once you see it, you can't not see it. For me, I know I'm just scratching the surface

WIA

(08-24-2016 11:01 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I haven't even gotten into what to say yet.

Let me know if you're following me.

But if you are understanding what I'm saying, it should be clear to you how little the actual content of your words matter

WIA

This post is a good Aha moment for me. I need to work on this aspect of game more. I can't wait until you delve into what to say. I just order that vanilla cologne.