(08-19-2016 05:51 PM)xxMarco Wrote:  I didn't think it would be a bad idea to re initiate at some point. Why would the bitch say she didn't want to stop talking.

If you take anything away from the information from the forum it should be to pay attention to what chicks do not what they say.

She said she still wants you around... bu then blows you off and goes ghost? Use your head. The who/where/why/how doesn't fucking matter. Go spend your time and energy on more fruitful endeavors instead of thirsting over some damaged bitch.

I turned down sex with the dental assistant last night. She had been texting me wanting to meet up again, I was busy at a dad's drinking group thing and said I'd be in her neighborhood and free up around 9. Text her as I'm wrapping up, a half-hour later she says she's out with a girlfriend and wants to get dropped off at my place. I say ok, a half-hour later she's still not there. She texts me asking if I want to come out to the bar. I say I don't want to be up all night and she should just party with her friends. She calls me saying she's about to come over, I say no thanks stay out and have fun, she's dumbfounded silent on the other end for a good 5 seconds. I think she really couldn't comprehend I wasn't interested in staying up until 1AM with her drunk ass and driving her home. Felt good to prioritize myself over pussy.

(08-19-2016 05:51 PM)xxMarco Wrote:  I didn't think it would be a bad idea to re initiate at some point. Why would the bitch say she didn't want to stop talking.

Having experienced being an emotional tampon on many levels I can tell you this about women: they will talk to you and waste your time until your balls are as blue as marbles. They are self-centered creatures. When you talk to them, it's like you're giving them a mini-hit of endorphin each time. You're falling for their game. This is why you want to keep chit chat down to a minimum and get to the point as smoothly as possible.

Definitely spend your time elsewhere. Do not contact her. If she contacts you, ask her to come to you... something with minimal effort on your part. If she refuses, tell her you have to go. She may contact you up to 3-4 months later just to get a validation spike or possibly to bang again.

After that half hour period I'd of not bothered even replying.

As soon as she says she's asking me to come out to a bar, I ain't responding.

Let her hamster run, no contact till the next day.

If a girl doesn't respond to me around 9 or is wishwashy about meeting up, I've got back up plans I'm going in on.

I visit my sidepiece. She's drunk, and acting strangely. Almost tears in her eyes. What's wrong?

Turns out she banged some guy the other day, because I wasn't committing to her.

After we banged, out came the waterworks. I was almost jealous for a second!

Fuck. So I'm catching the train home after a night out and I see 4 girls get on, about 3 stops away from where I need to get off. I figure there's no point in going for it since I only have a few minutes at best and I'm pretty tired after tons of approaches earlier.

They get off the same stop as me and since I live only 5 mins from the train station I realise that if they're a neighbour this is an easy opener as well they could be an ideal fuckbuddy.

Started flirting with them, mainly focusing on one and within 2 minutes of walking I'm infront of their house and invite myself in.

Immediately meet a guy housemate who turns out to be the brother of the girl I'm seducing. He introduces himself then goes into another room to do his own thing whilst most of the girls start making sandwiches.

I figure this will make her more difficult to fuck but he's cool and she's shown the most interest so far so I continued focusing on her in the conversation, talking about travel and whatnot.

After 10 minutes the other girls go to bed and I'm talking with her alone now in the kitchen. She soon after tells me that she's going travelling for a year in a month's time at which point I realised this would only be a short fling at best.

Shortly after I asked her about her brother and she says he's staying with her right now and they're sleeping in the same room. At this point I was gobsmacked. The girl I settled for can't be closed tonight and she's leaving soon anyway.

I thought fuck it let's leave her with a good impression then at least but she rebuffed my kiss attempt saying that she has a boyfriend.

The biggest internal facepalm at that point.

She says she's going to bed now so I'm like cool, give me your number and you guys should come out with me and my boys on a night out sometime. If I can get at least one of these girls that would be dope.

She types in her add on my phone as I put on my shoes to leave. She gives it back and my phone is on the main screen, so as I've forgotten her name already I say I'll give her a text later and I leave.

Going through my phone on the way back I realise she's added her email, not a phone number even.

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I'm not sure what exactly to take away from this.

Maybe I should have immediately asked who's single whilst on that two minute walk? I try to avoid bringing up possible boyfriends but there's definitely been a handful of times where I've spent a lot of time with a girl only for her to end up being a timewaster.

My touch escalation was lacking as well. At that time of night I should have immediately established who's receptive to rapid escalation to filter out the timewasters.

Though with it being a long shot to even get in their house in the first place I didn't want to risk the "creep" rejection too quickly by sexualizing the conversation and touch too quickly. Let the Trojan horse into their base if you will.

The major point I messed up on was probably not doing this stuff once I was already in the house. But at that point I was already in comfort game mode, making this girl cool with the fact that she just met a guy and in 20 minutes I wanted to be banging her.

But then I also feel like I must have fucked up on a lot of fundamental areas for so much to have gone wrong with that pickup. Problem is you can't see your own blindspots.

She has a "boyfriend" and is leaving in a month to "travel for a year"? Get the fuck outta here hahaha she was just having fun meeting some random guy and chatting back at her place. She soft rejected you.

You can't wait for the girl to make the next moves. You need to escalate and gage response. Of you weren't being sexual at all with them or even touching/teasing and creating some kind of physical element then you sort of friendzone yourself

My face when the girl I banged two weeks ago is posting about her 1 year anniversary with her boyfriend

Need some consultation on a chick who ghosted this week. Did the old trick of calling twice as a hail Mary. She calls back and I invite her out last night. Didn't come.

Here's the question. I'm completely stumped as to why she ghosted, as the original date went great. I'm tempted to write her and ask: "You're not interested. That's fine. But what was the problem?"

However, I feel like this is a beta move, and might mess up my chances of a future bang. Alternative would be to stop contact, and just hit her up a week/month later.

Don't ask her that. The answer is always she liked another guy better. You can have lots of dates that seem to go well, but they also need to go better than the other dates she is going on, or it is all for nothing.

(08-21-2016 01:59 PM)churros Wrote:  Need some consultation on a chick who ghosted this week. Did the old trick of calling twice as a hail Mary. She calls back and I invite her out last night. Didn't come.

Never heard of that "old trick" - just sounds like desperate/thirsty shit to me. If she ghosted you, why would you call her? Secondly, if you called and she didn't answer, why in the fuck would you call again? At that point she probably thought you were sending off "creeper" vibes and just called back and was nice to hopefully get you of her back. She clearly was not interested.

(08-21-2016 01:59 PM)churros Wrote:  Here's the question. I'm completely stumped as to why she ghosted, as the original date went great. I'm tempted to write her and ask: "You're not interested. That's fine. But what was the problem?"

The "why" is that she has better options than you that she deems more worthy of her time. It doesn't exactly matter honestly, but judging from some of the things you are saying I'd wager you maybe come off as either too nice and/or too thirsty. Asking her won't do you any good she will most likely just lie, or even more likely just not respond.

(08-21-2016 01:59 PM)churros Wrote:  However, I feel like this is a beta move, and might mess up my chances of a future bang. Alternative would be to stop contact, and just hit her up a week/month later.

It looks to me like you won't be banging this girl regardless of what you do. You went on one date that obviously didn't go well in her eyes, and then she blew you off for a second date. Move on.

Woah! Just to clarify, the two call trick was just something RSD Julien recommended. I never tried it before, and did cringe while doing it. The idea is to just get them on the phone. By that point, you've nothing to lose.

Now I think about it, however, he's probably talking about club girls that don't remember you, as opposed to girls you've already dated.

But honestly – I'm a big boy and ghosting happens. I'm not in denial here. This particular case just perplexed me, because the date did go well. Or so it seemed. Hence the confusion.

(08-21-2016 03:31 PM)churros Wrote:  Woah! Just to clarify, the two call trick was just something RSD Julien recommended. I never tried it before, and did cringe while doing it. The idea is to just get them on the phone. By that point, you've nothing to lose.

Kudos for the daygame, what was the approach like?

Agree, hit to the ego for a bang is an acceptable gamble. Better to call after two unreturned texts than continue texting to the same result. Back to back calls usually forces someone's hand to pick up rather than ignoring a voicemail, but at that point you need to have some tight game on deck to allay whatever concerns it is that she's having.

You describe her as shy, shutting down your advances that night, sending unprompted home safe texts. Indications that she might be a "good girl" who's still harboring Disney Dreams. Unless you've omitted something in your exchange - she texts you, you don't respond, then you text her once several days later and immediately follow up by asking her to go out again. For a shy girl this sounds too light on comfort. You're not allowing her the plausible deniability of a BF fantasy by escalating quickly (relative to her previous male interactions), ignoring for days, and then following up with logistical meetup texts which you both know will likely end in sex.

Shy girls generally need more pull than push. Sometimes the key to getting in the panties is to be (or at least act) more "beta", not less.

(08-18-2016 07:30 PM)churros Wrote:  Girl totally ghosted on me. Here's what went down.

Met her on the street during the day. Quite shy, but seemed into me, so gave me her number. I invited her later that day to see a show. She came out, but was late, so we missed it. No problem, got beers and went back to my apartment to listen to music. I escalated slowly, and we were making out in about one or two hours. She didn't want to go any further, and had to catch the last train, so I accompanied her.

That night, she texts that she got home (unprompted). In a couple days, I check in about her trip. Get a long reply how nice it was etc. Ask if she's free that week – no response. Three days later, I ignore it and ask what she's up to – no response. One day later and still nothing.

So what's going on here? Wild card, or did I fuck up?

Gorgiass you have it exactly right. I could tell she was shy, so I built comfort slowly, acting more beta than usual. For some of these chicks you need to be cold (espcially the younger ones) but definitely not all.

You are also on the money, in that she has some issue that I haven't figured out yet. Can't proceed until I disable it. Hence the text suggested above. But at this point it's a tightrope between coming off too sexual and too needy.

I'll lay off for one week, and then re-engage. The beta text is a last resort. Other ideas?

The approach itself was pretty unremarkable. I stopped her with an indirect opener. Found some common ground, kept things smooth until the number close. Maybe ten minutes total, no frills, and she came out that night.

Broke up with my 1.5 year main squeeze this weekend. I'm moving overseas in a couple of weeks for the next 2 years at least and she was making noise about moving over with me and getting engaged and married.
I must admit I gave it serious thought as she is a very attractive 20 year old who adores me and is a great cook but in the end I couldn't do it. I just didn't feel for her what she felt for me so I let her go. It was tough, she was very upset, but I firmly believe it was the right thing to do. You can't stick with someone just to make them happy if you don't feel the same way. Maybe if I was older I'd have sacrificed being in love to lock in a young feminine girl but as I'm only just nearing 30, I don't feel the time to settle is yet.

I'll miss her great cooking, blow job skills and the great sex but I have every confidence I'll find another girl with those skills. Particularly because I'm moving to South East Asia.

Another weekend with many night approaches but no closes. It's frustrating but I feel like I'm close to a breakthrough. Although I would prefer to have succeeded, these fails bring me a calmness akin to what I feel when sharpening a knife: a repetitive, somewhat boring and bothersome process that nevertheless results in a great outcome.

Like a dull knife, dull game sometimes cuts - depending on the material being cut (the girl you're hitting on), the angle of the knife (the angle of your game and general approach), the force used (confidence and persistance). But when you get a nice razor sharp blade, nothing can stop you.

(08-22-2016 07:41 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Broke up with my 1.5 year main squeeze this weekend. I'm moving overseas in a couple of weeks for the next 2 years at least and she was making noise about moving over with me and getting engaged and married.
I must admit I gave it serious thought as she is a very attractive 20 year old who adores me and is a great cook but in the end I couldn't do it. I just didn't feel for her what she felt for me so I let her go. It was tough, she was very upset, but I firmly believe it was the right thing to do. You can't stick with someone just to make them happy if you don't feel the same way. Maybe if I was older I'd have sacrificed being in love to lock in a young feminine girl but as I'm only just nearing 30, I don't feel the time to settle is yet.

I'll miss her great cooking, blow job skills and the great sex but I have every confidence I'll find another girl with those skills. Particularly because I'm moving to South East Asia.

Like taking a faithful dog to the pound.

No matter what your reasons, you can't help but sense them silently screaming "what did I do wrong?"

Quote:Did the old trick of calling twice as a hail Mary.

Did you try "plz respond"?

(08-21-2016 03:31 PM)churros Wrote:  Woah! Just to clarify, the two call trick was just something RSD Julien recommended. I never tried it before, and did cringe while doing it. The idea is to just get them on the phone. By that point, you've nothing to lose.

Now I think about it, however, he's probably talking about club girls that don't remember you, as opposed to girls you've already dated.

But honestly – I'm a big boy and ghosting happens. I'm not in denial here. This particular case just perplexed me, because the date did go well. Or so it seemed. Hence the confusion.

See Hank Moody's "Tale of a good date" post.

(08-18-2016 11:52 AM)Mr Finish Wrote:  Politics has been cockblocking me. There's only so much I can take before my true opinions come out, whether it be brexit or Trump. This has usually been after the bang but lately I've let it slip.

Politics dries the pussy. I really don't understand why this is so hard for some guys to comprehend.

Some of you guys are missing out on pussy to preserve your egos. You are pre-selecting for sluts if you expect all women to get wet for an alpha frame. And then you write off all American women, which is pretty ironic.

Banging sluts doesn't do it for me anymore. I'm not in this for notches, I want girls I like. If getting them means dropping "alpha" frame for a second, so be it.

Had a pretty solid last few days.

A new notch, banged the previously virgin girl, banged the cambodian/viet girl, saturday worked, watched the UFC fights - I even got a skateboarding session in, forgot how much and exhausting it can be.

Sunday rode around, met up with some of my boys, got shit done, turned down a girl to get some work done.

I have 2 friends:

-Successful, well off, but game lacking guy.
-Successful, well off, jacked beyond belief, game aware guy.

BOTH got cheated on by their women, I swear females change with the direction of the wind.

Got some chaffing shit on dick. Likely from trimming and using shitty foam soap got my skin all dry and raw (and I fucked a girl like an hour after I did it). Got girls wanting to bang and I'm turning them down because my shit is a little out of commission. Damn.

(08-22-2016 12:52 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Got some chaffing shit on dick. Likely from trimming and using shitty foam soap got my skin all dry and raw (and I fucked a girl like an hour after I did it). Got girls wanting to bang and I'm turning them down because my shit is a little out of commission. Damn.

Just got soft nexted. Tho I knew this would happen. The girl I posted about earlier who I had a great date with and ended up clubbing and escalating. Though because of my really bad logistics I couldn't f-close her. After that night she just ghosted on me. Yesterday I sent her a text and she actually replied (after a week).

Just texted her "what's your schedule like this week"

Her; "free on Wednesday"
"though there is a problem now, I've got a boyfriend now"

She ain't got no bf she is lying.

I sent this back "good then he can make us breakfast"

I'm nexting her now. Not gonna waste my time to fix the fuck up of not banging her while she was all down for it. I learned my lesson. From now on I'll be always closing. A. B. C. ALWAYS BE CLOSING

I'm halfway through Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead (great book, loving it so far), and I thought I'd share one of my favorite passages:

Quote:Gail Wynand was twenty when he fell in love. He had known everything there was to know about sex since the age of thirteen. He had had many girls. He never spoke of love, created no romantic illusion and treated the whole matter as a simple animal transaction; but at this he was an expert-and women could tell it, just by looking at him. The girl with whom he fell in love had an exquisite beauty, a beauty to be worshiped, not desired. She was fragile and silent. Her face told of the lovely mysteries within her, left unexpressed.

She became Gail Wynand's mistress. He allowed himself the weakness of being happy. He would have married her at once, had she mentioned it. But they said little to each other. He felt that everything was understood between them.

One evening he spoke. Sitting at her feet, his face raised to her, he allowed his soul to be heard,

"My darling, anything you wish, anything I am, anything I can ever be... That's what I want to offer you-not the things I'll get for you, but the thing in me that will make me able to get them. That thing-a man can't renounce it-but I want to renounce it-so that it will be yours-so that it will be in your service-only for you."

The girl smiled and asked: "Do you think I'm prettier than Maggy Kelly?"

He got up. He said nothing and walked out of the house. He never saw that girl again. Gail Wynand, who prided himself on never needing a lesson twice, did not fall in love again in the years that followed.