(08-18-2016 11:52 AM)Mr Finish Wrote:  Politics has been cockblocking me. There's only so much I can take before my true opinions come out, whether it be brexit or Trump. This has usually been after the bang but lately I've let it slip.

I NEVER bring up politics or any shit that is associated with it at all with girls.

I'm not trying to have an intelligent political discussion, I''m trying to fuck this girl.

If anything comes up I always change the subject or I simply say I'm not talking politics if she brings it up, it immediately gets batted down and the show goes on.

(08-16-2016 04:15 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  I, on the other hand, felt like an anaconda had wrapped itself around my heart and crushed the life out of it. It's fitting, in a way, that the same person who had so easily brought me to the highest of highs had just as effortlessly cast me down into the deepest of depths.

I remember you texting me about it, and it seemed like you were on top of the world. Everything was going right with you otherwise too, and so if things are still otherwise going that way then roll with it.

Appreciate the beauty of what once was, and focus on projecting those positive memories into other aspects of your life.

Art in my opinion is an expression of beauty. And a good memory is as good as art there. Look back fondly on it. Odds are it was a damned good run.

Quote:I don't need to tell anyone here how lonely life can be post-red pill. Ugly truth is much harder to live with than pretty lies, especially when the lies are being shouted from every rooftop while the truth merely whispers in the shadows. Time, and hope, have a way of covering up that truth, like a luscious green vine whose vibrant flowers disguise the crumbling column decaying underneath.

Mate you're only as lonely as you want it to be. Sure the nights can be lonely and the insanity of being one of the only sane people in your immediate world, but we're here for you man. As my gramps put it "When you got war. The only people who end up mattering at the end of the day are the men on your left and right."

Focusing on the fact that a good time is only a phone call away helps. Might be time to expand your circle of friends while you're at it.

Quote:Because I started with this end in mind, I was unable to accurately view reality. I didn't see this girl for who she really was; the chemical cocktail in my head completely distorted the real world. I heard what I wanted to hear, saw what I wanted to see, and rationalized anything that didn't fit the dream I wanted so badly to be real. I broke many of the rules I spent the last five years painstakingly learning, to my own inevitable detriment.

Bingo.

Quote:If my question is "how do I prevent this from happening again," I don't think the answer is as simple as "never pair bond". I believe the desire for love and companionship is built into our genes, and much like our sexual desires, can be suppressed but never truly denied.

But while I'm not sure yet how to incorporate pair bonding into a healthy, red pill lifestyle, I at least know now how powerful of a drug it is, and how binging on it in an irresponsible fashion can and will bring about a terrible hangover. As painful as this last week has been, I feel wiser for having gone through it. It hurts to think about how many mistakes I made, but I'm determined to learn from those mistakes, and be stronger for having survived them.

So like GS mentions in the second quote above, from now on I will be keeping my cards much closer to my chest, and purposefully avoiding bonding with any girl before she has absolutely proven herself worthy of the risk. I will never again give up so much of myself so quickly. I'll still be on the lookout for a woman worthy of my commitment, but she will have to work much harder, and much longer, before I consider awarding her that prize.

I think focusing on the experience, rather than on the minute details will help with that. Again a good run is a good run. Relations with any woman before worth is proven should be treated like a good movie.

It's good while it lasts, but does it deserve to be watched again?

Cheers!

On to myself. 2 weeks on the West Coast, where all I did was put my problems on hold until I got back to re-evaluate where I'm at right now.

I cleaned off my slate and minor inconveniences aside I'm doing well getting back here. Definitely gave me time to reflect back on my own morals and sense of relationships.

So blinded I was by the thought of a fine ass that I even let a woman disrespect me, and still gave her the time of day. Almost like I reverted to what I see around me in terms of the weakness of every day man.

It's a damned slippery slope especially when you know deep down that this woman specifically(attractive features aside) is absolutely bonkers:

1. Got sloppy and let her dictate the relationships when she wanted to hang etc. She always turned me down, but then would counter propose or she would invite me out(peppered in between with I miss yous or justifications for any faults I found/apologies). I thought she was showing initiative so I let it slide.

2. Then she began to let disappoint my expectations(however small), while I was doing mental gymnastics to rationalize it.

3. Let her around some of my closest friends and connections, which I would normally never do. She also found my social media through that, and started to show up at all the places I hung out in my downtime on her terms.

4. And lastly near the end a few other things which I would not rather share publicly that were especially disrespectful, but it really took a downturn there until I ghosted.


This all in a 2 month long short term relationship with a girl. All I know is that I get complacent too damned easily and compromise my own morals/rules once a fling extends longer than a few weeks.

Need to really work on that. I do think I have massive issues letting go of what seems essentially free to me.

(08-18-2016 12:59 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:52 AM)Mr Finish Wrote:  Politics has been cockblocking me. There's only so much I can take before my true opinions come out, whether it be brexit or Trump. This has usually been after the bang but lately I've let it slip.

I NEVER bring up politics or any shit that is associated with it at all with girls.

I'm not trying to have an intelligent political discussion, I''m trying to fuck this girl.

If anything comes up I always change the subject or I simply say I'm not talking politics if she brings it up, it immediately gets batted down and the show goes on.

I used to do this too. You don't even have to talk about controversial politics to cockblock yourself either.

You can have an agreeable conversation about politics but because the conversation is academic and dry, it's hard to steer it back into more fun conversation and then sex.

I think one of the reasons I'm doing better with foreign girls is because it's impossible for me to do anything more than simple conversation, silly jokes and physical touching. The language barrier and cultural differences makes boring 'getting to know you' conversations fun.

With girls who speak English I get tempted and baited into actual conversations about actual things.

It's not just a waste of time, but normally completely detrimental to picking up the girl, because it kills the mood and you're bound to eventually disagree with her due to her silly female brain.

I don't even think of talking to a girl as conversation anymore, just bullshitting. I try and avoid all serious topics, I only joke and talk about simple things like each others day.

I'm not saying I'm better off without Spanish though, I could do much smoother approaches and use much better game/flirting and probably attract higher quality girls if I spoke it well, as I've seen others do.

This has been on my mind all day distracting me from my work, so I thought I'd ask for your opinion on it.

My main girl is a little insecure, which is understandable, I'm fantastic and look great, but she's sweet and submissive and I'm enjoying having her around while I focus on studying, working and getting settled in a new country.

On Sunday, my main girl got jealous over me talking to another girl, I was completely honest about it and told her myself. That's because this 'girl' was a 40 year old woman who's actually just another student and potential colleage who helps me out with stuff and we get coffee together. She even knows I have another girl. So yes she really is just a friend, well kind of.

In England I wouldn't bother with this arrangement, but here I don't know that many people yet, I get on with her and she has been very helpful with discussing work, my CV and things like that.

She misunderstood the situation, didn't know all the details and stormed out of my house. I didn't actually care cos I realised I'd rather spend my Sunday lying around reading the forum then actually doing anything with her. The next few days I also had a lot of work to do and it gave me a chance to see another girl as well.

However last night she still hadn't got in touch to apologise so I had to speak to her myself, because I'm busy this weekend and if I let this go on for too long, I'm risking the relationship and her cheating. It turns out I was definitely risking her cheating...

A womans way of apologising is acting nice to you, showing some regret or guilt over the situation, but never actually apologising. Fine, I've learnt this from growing up with my mum and two sisters. They will NEVER admit blame. Although they will try to do nice things for you to make them stop feeling guilty, they think this counts as an apology. Whatever. I'm used to this nonsense now.

Anyway, so I message her shes apologetic, knows she was an idiot, and invites me round to put her back in her place.

As I'm standing outside, I realise I don't have her number and she can't hear me banging on her door. So I log onto facebook on my phone, and it's still signed in to her account..

I'm intrigued and take the opportunity to check her messages. I see she gave her number to some guy last night, pretty much without him asking, and was talking to another guy. I didn't have time to translate it and understand it all. I kind of already knew she had orbiters, but the fact that this girl who by her behaviour around me I assumed she was 100% into me, this really threw me.

I thought about phoning her number to let me in as I don't even have her new number but some guy does, so she would be really confused to see that and how I got it. In the end I decided 'nah, forget it, just act like you didn't see it'.

She let's me in, but she can tell I'm acting distant and keeps staring at me, I couldn't really hide my feelings as I had just seen it, so I just tell her what happened.

Her roommate comes home, interupting the seriousness, so I decide to block it out and just drink, smoke and chill with them last night When we're alone she talks about it a bit, she seems nervous and apologetic at times, and sex was incredible that night. Apart from making sure to punish her in the bedrom I blocked it out of my mind.

However today, I feel a bit lame, like I'm disrepecting myself with this bullshit. I know I'm a hypocrite, as I'm playing the field as well, but I didn't expect this from her. I feel like I shouldn't have said anything and relegated her to plate without her knowing. Now that I mentioned it, I made myself look beta and she's going to realise somethings up because I don't see her the same way anymore, and I don't want to see her very often anymore and then that will just cause her to cheat, or cheat more if she's not already.

Apologies for being so long winded. Basically I've found evidence of my main girl thinking about cheating or cheating and I feel bad. I confronted her not really wanting to, then we had sex and she probably now thinks things are cool. I'm not sure what to do.. if there's much to do.

Seeing how even a sweet and submissive girl who worships your cock, calls you papi all the time, seems obsessed with you and is only a 6, or a 7 by RVF standards, can and will cheat on you over an argument thats completely her fault is like an overdose of the red pill. I'm feeling a little nauseous and depressed about the state of women now. It doesn't give me much hope for relationships with better looking women. I haven't felt like this about that subject in years and I am normally very optimistic about my chances with women and relationships.

(08-18-2016 06:14 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  This has been on my mind all day distracting me from my work, so I thought I'd ask for your opinion on it.

My main girl is a little insecure, which is understandable, I'm fantastic and look great, but she's sweet and submissive and I'm enjoying having her around while I focus on studying, working and getting settled in a new country.

On Sunday, my main girl got jealous over me talking to another girl, I was completely honest about it and told her myself. That's because this 'girl' was a 40 year old woman who's actually just another student and potential colleage who helps me out with stuff and we get coffee together. She even knows I have another girl. So yes she really is just a friend, well kind of.

The bolded part - you mean to tell me that she knows you have a side piece ?

If that's the case and you told her you're fucking another woman, then it's obvious why she has orbiters and maybe be possibly cheating on you.

No sorry, I didn't make that bit clear.

The English woman I was talking to and meeting for coffee knew I had a girlfriend. I told her.

My girl doesn't know I'm seeing anyone else, I normally spend most of the weekend with her. Although she is a little bit insecure about me, she asked me directly once early in the relationship and I had to tell her I'm not.

If you caught her fucking with other guys and giving out her number the demote her to fuck buddy plain and simple. No committed girlfriend does that.

DTB!

She's probably sucking the other dudes dick right now.

Haha! I can always count on this forum for reassurance. I think she's probably at work right now, but what the fuck do I know?

I caught her giving her number to an orbiter on Facebook, during a few days where we weren't talking.

This, as we all know, means she's probably had multiple anal and interacial gangbangs the few days we weren't apart. She probably is also selling herself and is planning on cuckolding me.

OK, in all seriousness, it's not good. Most men would just hamsterise it, but I think as a Red Pill Neomasculine Man I should just assume she has cheated or at least has been thinking about it.

Girl totally ghosted on me. Here's what went down.

Met her on the street during the day. Quite shy, but seemed into me, so gave me her number. I invited her later that day to see a show. She came out, but was late, so we missed it. No problem, got beers and went back to my apartment to listen to music. I escalated slowly, and we were making out in about one or two hours. She didn't want to go any further, and had to catch the last train, so I accompanied her.

That night, she texts that she got home (unprompted). In a couple days, I check in about her trip. Get a long reply how nice it was etc. Ask if she's free that week – no response. Three days later, I ignore it and ask what she's up to – no response. One day later and still nothing.

So what's going on here? Wild card, or did I fuck up?

(08-18-2016 06:37 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  No sorry, I didn't make that bit clear.

The English woman I was talking to and meeting for coffee knew I had a girlfriend. I told her.

My girl doesn't know I'm seeing anyone else, I normally spend most of the weekend with her. Although she is a little bit insecure about me, she asked me directly once early in the relationship and I had to tell her I'm not.

Your failure was in making her feel like you didn't care about her at all. There's a fine line to letting her know you care about her but that you are not going to give her everything she wants and that you're defining the relationship.

You let her feel like you didn't care about her and so she went and started seeking out other dudes.

Not that surprising since she was basically out of the relationship at that point and she thought you'd cheated on her and made her a fool. You also told her outright that you weren't seeing other girls. You also don't have the phone number of a girl that is your "main?" Doesn't make that much sense.

Sometimes I think listening to your penis is the best thing you can do.



I used to date this girl who was an absolute angel, the prettiest girl I've ever slept with, she was the only girl who could get me to bang for three rounds. My penis would be exhausted and I would still be rock hard ready to penetrate her. It was amazing...I would look at her and feel a magnetism between us, as if God had designed my penis to slide in her sugar walls.

Fast forward to now, I invited an old plate (different girl) over to bang. I haven't seen her in about six weeks because she was getting on my nerves and was a net negative to my life. So tonight, she was blowing up my phone, and I was in the mood, so I invited her over for sex. We banged once and everything was cool, but in between rounds she started whining about life and I remembered everything I don't like about her. Ample time later I figure we go for round two, so we start banging, but then I lose my erection. This never happens to me! I don't think I've ever lost an erection. I either get one and keep it or don't get it at all. I am in utter disbelief, but realize that I should listen to my penis. She hops off of my dick and as we're dressing I tell her "I don't want to see you anymore. This time away was cool but I don't think we're compatible. Plus things are getting serious with another girl and I'd rather not go behind her back." She was surprised but cool with it, and we went our separate ways...

Churros, that sucks, it's tough to work out what went wrong from your story.

I think because you approached her on the street (as opposed to a bar), were understanding with her being late, had a good time making other plans, accompanied her to the train. All of that together gives off a strong 'boyfriend' vibe. I do exactly the same thing. It's how I am and I'm wondering myself if I should try and stop it and show off a darker side of my personality.

So if she's not completely into you on the first date, she'll feel too much pressure from the 'boyfriend vibe' and flake. She also may not have gone all the way on that first date because of the boyfriend vibe and then that will have lowered her impression of you!

You also may have taken too long to escalate at your place. Two hours I think is too long, I even think one is pushing it now.

An ex/plate/whatever whos been flaking on me recently called and invited herself round my house. As we hadn't seen each other in over a month, I escalated slow, chilled out listening to music, I wasn't even really that in the mood so was happy to slowly escalate on my bed. As it got a tiny bit heated she said she had to leave. She'd only been at my place an hour. I assumed she wanted to hang out for at least a few hours and was just chilling out like she was my girlfriend.

Maybe my problem was that I didn't realise she didn't have much time and I took too long to escalate. I didn't realise maybe she was just coming over for quick sex, rather than hanging out all evening and fucking.

(08-18-2016 08:24 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 06:37 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  No sorry, I didn't make that bit clear.

The English woman I was talking to and meeting for coffee knew I had a girlfriend. I told her.

My girl doesn't know I'm seeing anyone else, I normally spend most of the weekend with her. Although she is a little bit insecure about me, she asked me directly once early in the relationship and I had to tell her I'm not.

Your failure was in making her feel like you didn't care about her at all. There's a fine line to letting her know you care about her but that you are not going to give her everything she wants and that you're defining the relationship.

You let her feel like you didn't care about her and so she went and started seeking out other dudes.

Not that surprising since she was basically out of the relationship at that point and she thought you'd cheated on her and made her a fool. You also told her outright that you weren't seeing other girls. You also don't have the phone number of a girl that is your "main?" Doesn't make that much sense.

Ah thanks. I never actually even thought about this.

When the argument happened, we'd just had a great night and morning banging, just had breakfast, she literally had just made my bed, when she starts saying "cmon get off your phone". (I'm never on my phone texting, I spent about 10 minutes doing this)

I can't multitask and deal with two conversations at once so I was ignoring what she said while I was texting.

I'd finished texting her and my male friend and I look up and she's like "Fine go see her" then she angrily gets her things, getting ready to leave.

It's clear I've finished texting but I don't really feel like defending myself about such bullshit and I'm more stunned than anything that she's blowing up like this.

Actually I was kind of angry she was doing this shit. I remember just being slightly amused by it at first, and then when I realised she was serious I just gave her a pissed off look. Then she left my place in a storm of crazy Latina rage.

I thought fuck it and let her stew in it for a few days.

I'm hoping it's because of this that she decided to start messaging other guys, (and possibly more, how would I know) logically it could be, but to be honest, I can't trust girls or her anymore, and I'd better just assume she's a slut and is sleeping around.

When I spoke to her about I confronted her along the same lines you mentioned, told her she has nothing to worry about with that girl so don't get insecure and start sleeping around.

Oh and she broke her phone recently that's why I didn't have her new number. She bought a new one this week. I forgot to grab it off her before I went to her house cos I didn't realise she had one already.

Almost hooked up a threesome tonight. A plate of mine has a friend visiting town. Anyway her and I have been talking about getting together the past few days so I could fuck her brains out. We had plans for tonight strictly so she can come over and get railed. I text her at around 9

GS: fyi I'm still at the gym should be home in an hour
Girl: Okay just leaving work now can I bring my friend or no?
GS: if she wants to come

Shit seemed pretty straight up, but I guess her friend was being fucking lame and wanted to "stay in" and my girl didn't want to ditch her (understandable). She said well raincheck for tomorrow so this may still happen.

^ Get some, bro!

(08-18-2016 08:26 PM)redbeard Wrote:  ...so we start banging, but then I lose my erection. This never happens to me! I don't think I've ever lost an erection. I either get one and keep it or don't get it at all. I am in utter disbelief, but realize that I should listen to my penis. She hops off of my dick and as we're dressing I tell her "I don't want to see you anymore. This time away was cool but I don't think we're compatible. Plus things are getting serious with another girl and I'd rather not go behind her back." She was surprised but cool with it, and we went our separate ways...

For a chick, having a guy go limp on her has got to be pretty embarrassing. When I was but a sprout of a man I finally got chance to nail a girl I'd been after for ages. Performance anxiety set in. No boner resulted.

I thought she was going to laugh at me and walk out. The opposite occurred. She completely blamed herself and engaged in some pretty wild shit to get me back in the game.

For women, being unable to get a guy erect is like having your SMV dumped down four notches in the space of a few seconds. I'm not surprised she skulked away without putting up a fuss.

(08-18-2016 03:45 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  On to myself. 2 weeks on the West Coast, where all I did was put my problems on hold until I got back to re-evaluate where I'm at right now.

I cleaned off my slate and minor inconveniences aside I'm doing well getting back here. Definitely gave me time to reflect back on my own morals and sense of relationships.

So blinded I was by the thought of a fine ass that I even let a woman disrespect me, and still gave her the time of day. Almost like I reverted to what I see around me in terms of the weakness of every day man.

It's a damned slippery slope especially when you know deep down that this woman specifically(attractive features aside) is absolutely bonkers:

1. Got sloppy and let her dictate the relationships when she wanted to hang etc. She always turned me down, but then would counter propose or she would invite me out(peppered in between with I miss yous or justifications for any faults I found/apologies). I thought she was showing initiative so I let it slide.

2. Then she began to let disappoint my expectations(however small), while I was doing mental gymnastics to rationalize it.

3. Let her around some of my closest friends and connections, which I would normally never do. She also found my social media through that, and started to show up at all the places I hung out in my downtime on her terms.

4. And lastly near the end a few other things which I would not rather share publicly that were especially disrespectful, but it really took a downturn there until I ghosted.


This all in a 2 month long short term relationship with a girl. All I know is that I get complacent too damned easily and compromise my own morals/rules once a fling extends longer than a few weeks.

Need to really work on that. I do think I have massive issues letting go of what seems essentially free to me.

Was it the feels that you caught or simply lust that clouded your mind?

I need some advice with this bitch I'm dealing with right now.

I met this chick at work about a year ago. I work at different locations so it's not a big problem dating people from work. Started flirting and after about 6 months of talking and banter I smashed. I been hooking up with this girl for 2 months now. Even though she has a lot of red flags (tattoos, multiple relationships, divorce fucked up childhood) we have been getting a little closer and I was seeing her almost everyday and texting daily.

Forward to last Monday I Sent her a couple messages to no response. Phone call no answer. The next day she gets back to me that she got in a big fight with her mom and she's going through some things right now.... I ask her if she wants to cut this thing we have going on and she says no she just needs some time. I say cool hit me up when you want to talk.

Haven't heard anything since Tuesday. Strange because she would text me all day everyday and call as well. My gut is telling me to drop this bitch but my brain is attached now. We have a really cool vibe going and we've been chill except for this latest thing that happened.
It's driving me nuts, I never had a girl pull this on me. She's 30 years old.

Admittedly I haven't been gaming other girls because I've been lazy. Since I been getting laid daily haven't felt the need to go out and night game.

So what advice you are looking for? Whether or not you should chase her even though she is ghosting you? You know how silly that sounds.

She already cut contact with you sounds like. There is zero action to be taken on your part. Move on and find other women.

Take it as a lesson to never let yourself get attached to girls with all these red flags in the first place.

(08-18-2016 03:45 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Took a small L.

You got out clean. I'd count it as a W.

I am guessing this one was hotter than your usual lay. Only justification I can see.

Only lesson is as soon as you see one red flag put her in the fuck buddy bin. There are enough quality girls that you would want to bring around your friends to not waste time beyond sex with the red flag chicks.

She was hot enough I am guessing you wanted to show her off even with the risk included. The hallmark of a real player is not having that ego to want to show off. Be low profile. Bang the hot crazy sluts in private. This will also drive the hot sluts a bit nutty because they are used to insecure guys wanting to show them off and accept their drama. Don't be that. Be the guy she whines to her orbiters about.

If you need to show your friends show some dirty pictures she sends you for ego validation. With time that will fade. Low profile always wins.

As soon as she fucks with your time she is in the fuck buddy bin.

(08-19-2016 05:25 PM)xxMarco Wrote:  ... (losing the game) ...

Seriously read your post while looking yourself in the eyes in a mirror and try not laugh.

You are all kinds of messing up.

Don't be thirsty. Only mother of your kids gets everyday status. Even a girlfriend should only get 2-3 days a week.

Hoes get 1 day max.

Why are you discounting your time like a McDonald's dollar menu meal? You are acting like a dumb slut with your time instead of your vagina.

Texting everyday to a 30 year old hoe? Do something with your life! You aren't a charity worker for sluts.

Tough love.

I didn't think it would be a bad idea to re initiate at some point. Why would the bitch say she didn't want to stop talking.

^ Trust me you aren't as important and were never as important to her as you think you are.

She is going to treat you like a nice chair to sit on for awhile. If she finds another nice chair, she isn't sweating about how that last chair feels about being cold now.

C'mon! You are starting to sound like woman complaining about her boyfriend.