(08-14-2016 11:12 PM)Caractacus Potts Wrote:  Gotta be careful of oneitis creeping in...

I have been working 6/7 days per week the past month and will be until late September. As a result I have not been out trying to meet women. I have one plate and I have been kind of blowing her off. lol

I spent a week with this Venezuelan girl in May and I am going to be meeting up with her in Mexico in October. She is 17 years younger than me and without a doubt one of the best looking women I have ever been with. The sex with her was amazing and she just radiated femininity.

I have found myself looking forward to her Whatsapp messages a bit too much and being a little bothered when I don't receive anything from her for a few days.

Behold the power of the pussy!!

Ah, I do know what you mean and feel...

Approached a little hottie today on the street. Nice little conversation. She said she was just visiting, and wanted to find where to get a good hot dog. I say, lets meet up later. She says sure. I take her to get a hot dog, near my apartment. Then I say, I need to drop my stuff off at my place. She comes up, we make out for a while, but takes off to meet a friend. She is coming back tomorrow and we are meeting up again. I figure she is 22 yrs my junior. Fuck, life is good.

(08-14-2016 07:56 AM)XXL Wrote:  I met an Ukrainian, she works in different department in my company. She's cool as fuck, beautiful, down to earth and has conservative values as well as good upbringing, a girl you'd like to get and keep.

I made a big impression on her really fast so she's hooked. She's also in fresh long distance relationship [few weeks]. I already told her it's up to her what she's gonna do but I know what I want and I am not backing off only because another guy came before me, I will stand up to anyone [including him] who will challenge my will blahblahblah... all that spiel, you know what I mean. She seems very flattered that I'm interested in her. So basically she's really into me but has objections. I actually like it that she objects cause it means she can resist good game and her emotional impulses to hold on to her values. I find that quality trait.

I'm not butthurt or discouraged. Game is on but it requires some strategic approach. So.. if anybody has something to say about how to outgame competition and go after such girl who probably needs more comfort I'm all ears. Thx

My only advice when ever I have banged girls in long distance relations is never bring up the boyfriend and anytime she does you need to try to change the subject to humor or go cold for a bit if it is by text.

She needs to "forget" about him.

I think the best way to do this is when does bring up the other guy with you or even better with others and you overhear it or in gossip is try to play to any strengths she is complaining about her guy.

An easy one to out play most boyfriends is boyfriends being too controlling, jealous, or stiff and not fun. Which is easy for most players to overcome.

Another standard way is to remind her she is away from home to try new things. Like hot dogs and sausage. Paint a picture of what she needs to experience away from home. Make her forget.

Never forget she is still a chick. Show off your social charm infront of her and try to bait eyefucks from other girls to get her thinking more about why she isn't with you rather than why she isn't near her boyfriend.

I'm starting to think the more I bang new girls or spin plates the less I'm capable of actually having a relationship or connection to women.

I've aggregated quite a bit of numbers the last few days (thanks to not having sex and leg day driving me crazy).

I've practically called all these new girls and talked to them on phone, they enjoyed me calling them, a few of them told me they liked that I called (duh).

However, I noticed my attention drifted and I was on auto pilot giving one worded answers, a few sentences here and there.

It's more of a routine now when going on dates with girls.

I did have a fun date last week, I've got the virgin card diva, I went ghost on the cute asian for a week, I've got quite a few meet ups this week.

This sounds kind of gay, but I enjoy connecting with women, but I'm finding it less and less.

I don't want to describe it as a butterfly feeling, it's more a happy satisfying feeling when talking with her.

God that sounds faggoty

I'm not sure I can truly explain it.

I don't mind being alone at all, having a good woman around from time to time doesn't hurt either.


Maybe it's burn out, maybe it's fatigue.

(08-16-2016 11:51 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I'm starting to think the more I bang new girls or spin plates the less I'm capable of actually having a relationship or connection to women.

I've aggregated quite a bit of numbers the last few days (thanks to not having sex and leg day driving me crazy).

I've practically called all these new girls and talked to them on phone, they enjoyed me calling them, a few of them told me they liked that I called (duh).

However, I noticed my attention drifted and I was on auto pilot giving one worded answers, a few sentences here and there.

It's more of a routine now when going on dates with girls.

I did have a fun date last week, I've got the virgin card diva, I went ghost on the cute asian for a week, I've got quite a few meet ups this week.

This sounds kind of gay, but I enjoy connecting with women, but I'm finding it less and less.

I don't want to describe it as a butterfly feeling, it's more a happy satisfying feeling when talking with her.

God that sounds faggoty

I'm not sure I can truly explain it.

I don't mind being alone at all, having a good woman around from time to time doesn't hurt either.


Maybe it's burn out, maybe it's fatigue.

Not sure what your "red pill journey" has looked like, but this is a common phenomenon and I too have experienced it.

It doesn't so much have to do with your notch count but rather how you view interactions with women now. I primarily look at women sexually first and foremost, and their personalities generally don't matter just as long as they aren't unsavory.

Years ago when I saw a girl that was attractive I would think about what it would be like connecting with her, spending time together, sharing the things I like/do with her, and vice versa. I would get excited at the idea of getting to know her. Very romantic/relationship-based.

Nowadays when I see a girl that catches my eye I mainly just think about fucking her, what her body feels like, whether or not she gives good head, what kind of kisser she is, if she is down with anal, how easily I could get her in bed, etc. I think about the plan of attack to get my dick inside of her as soon as possible.

I have deliberately re-wired how I perceive women in my head. It's to the point where some women I engage with, if I end up "connecting" with them, I get very leery and sparse with my affections and what I share with them because I'd rather not get too deep. I don't want her or myself to get that attached.

It's that same old player conundrum: am I enlightened or broken? I think with the right girl(s) I can find the sweet spot between really feeling connected but not being too vulnerable. I've had glimpses of it here and there and I think as I get a little older I'll get better at noticing it and refining it.

Both you guys are in the right head space to evaluate a chick's long term qualities.

Fight the disillusionment.

WIA

Went to dinner the other night with my LTR and her friends. Her friends are cute, especially one of them, but man do their attitudes turn me off. Had a couple drinks, was feeling tired from a couple weeks of fishing, spearfishing, and traveling/working extra so I ate quick, grabbed my leftovers, and was feeling REALLY ready to bounce.

Was going to get a separate check but my girl told me no, I paid for her when we had a nice weekend date a while back so she was gonna get me and I could just go.

Made me want to fuck her right then and there. Interesting.

I need to start working out during the week. I'm not feeling motivated at all during the week.

(08-16-2016 01:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Not sure what your "red pill journey" has looked like, but this is a common phenomenon and I too have experienced it.

The journey was simple, had some "red pill" traits in an LTR a few years ago, lost my frame, got burned, found "Inner Game" videos, found RVF, started learning and applying. Got a decent LTR out of it, plenty of pussy/plates/mini LTR's so here we are now.

Quote:It doesn't so much have to do with your notch count but rather how you view interactions with women now. I primarily look at women sexually first and foremost, and their personalities generally don't matter just as long as they aren't unsavory.

I think part of it IS your notch count. Here's why, the more faster and more women you sleep with the more you view them sexually and how fast you can get them to bed (granted most players and men in general are wired like this).

But yes, absolutely I view them sexually first and foremost.

Quote:Years ago when I saw a girl that was attractive I would think about what it would be like connecting with her, spending time together, sharing the things I like/do with her, and vice versa. I would get excited at the idea of getting to know her. Very romantic/relationship-based.

Nowadays when I see a girl that catches my eye I mainly just think about fucking her, what her body feels like, whether or not she gives good head, what kind of kisser she is, if she is down with anal, how easily I could get her in bed, etc. [u]I think about the plan of attack to get my dick inside of her as soon as possible.[/u]

This pretty much nails it we use to romanticize women, now sexualize them first before anything.

It's basically how a guy sizes up another dude they might scrap.

We size up girls figuring what we think they're down for, what's the easiest path to pussy.

Quote:I have deliberately re-wired how I perceive women in my head. It's to the point where some women I engage with, if I end up "connecting" with them, I get very leery and sparse with my affections and what I share with them because I'd rather not get too deep. I don't want her or myself to get that attached.

It's that same old player conundrum: am I enlightened or broken? I think with the right girl(s) I can find the sweet spot between really feeling connected but not being too vulnerable. I've had glimpses of it here and there and I think as I get a little older I'll get better at noticing it and refining it.

Deliberately or not I'm at that level as well now. With my last ex my emotions were sparse, the "I love yous" were rare and far in between. I was definitely physically affectionate, but I fucked the shit out of her.

I agree the more older we get the more refined we are.

I think the path to enlightenment you have to be a bit broke.

I don't think I'm damaged goods, maybe these girls bore me, or perhaps I'm looking for something more.

You don't need to be vulnerable in order to connect with a girl, I just try and make sure it's at a fun and easy going level.

(08-16-2016 01:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Both you guys are in the right head space to evaluate a chick's long term qualities.

Fight the disillusionment.

WIA

I agree that Stalin and I are in the right head space.

We just know we've changed - I think eventually we'll figure out what we really want. Regardless the chase for pussy will always get us going.

I always fall back onto that convo I had with you when dumping my LTR.

"Being a player is heaven and purgatory."

(08-16-2016 02:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Went to dinner the other night with my LTR and her friends. Her friends are cute, especially one of them, but man do their attitudes turn me off. Had a couple drinks, was feeling tired from a couple weeks of fishing, spearfishing, and traveling/working extra so I ate quick, grabbed my leftovers, and was feeling REALLY ready to bounce.

Was going to get a separate check but my girl told me no, I paid for her when we had a nice weekend date a while back so she was gonna get me and I could just go.

Made me want to fuck her right then and there. Interesting.

I need to start working out during the week. I'm not feeling motivated at all during the week.

Let me know if you need a wingman Aneroid haha !

Shit I don't blame you, I mean maybe 1 or 2 of her friends sure, but a bunch - either I want to dominate the conversation or bounce.

Start with stand shit like pushups, pullups, air squats, lunges, and running first. If you have a gym membership start forcing yourself to go.

(08-16-2016 01:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Both you guys are in the right head space to evaluate a chick's long term qualities.

Fight the disillusionment.

WIA

(08-16-2016 03:11 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Deliberately or not I'm at that level as well now. With my last ex my emotions were sparse, the "I love yous" were rare and far in between. I was definitely physically affectionate, but I fucked the shit out of her.

I agree the more older we get the more refined we are.

I think the path to enlightenment you have to be a bit broke.

I don't think I'm damaged goods, maybe these girls bore me, or perhaps I'm looking for something more.

You don't need to be vulnerable in order to connect with a girl, I just try and make sure it's at a fun and easy going level.

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I agree that Stalin and I are in the right head space.

We just know we've changed - I think eventually we'll figure out what we really want. Regardless the chase for pussy will always get us going.

I always fall back onto that convo I had with you when dumping my LTR.

"Being a player is heaven and purgatory."

Agreed.

Realistically I'm not worried that I'm "broken" - I suppose its more of me reflecting on myself and coming to grips with new found wisdom. I certainly recognize favorable and positive long-term traits in a female and am in a place where I can separate myself emotionally from the females those don't exhibit those traits.

(08-16-2016 01:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Years ago when I saw a girl that was attractive I would think about what it would be like connecting with her, spending time together, sharing the things I like/do with her, and vice versa. I would get excited at the idea of getting to know her. Very romantic/relationship-based.

...

I have deliberately re-wired how I perceive women in my head. It's to the point where some women I engage with, if I end up "connecting" with them, I get very leery and sparse with my affections and what I share with them because I'd rather not get too deep. I don't want her or myself to get that attached.

This past January I made a concerted effort to up my day game, and after five months and hundreds of approaches I finally managed to seduce my first 9.

She was a 21 year-old newly-graduated brunette from a local university, with natural DDs, a gravity-defying ass, and the most perfect face I had ever seen. She was smart, talented, ambitious (in her own feminine way), and came from a good family. We had a lot in common, and our sexual chemistry was off the charts. She said everything I wanted to hear, and I believed her unquestioningly.

Within two weeks I was (I thought) in love. Within two months we had "the talk" and made it official. She even brought me home to meet the family. She said she wanted the same things I did, and I started planning what the rest of our lives might look like together.

We broke up last Monday, just after the 90-day mark.

Technically I ended things, but only because I could see the writing on the wall. After our conversation, I could tell she felt relieved, freed from a relationship that she, just several weeks beforehand, had assured me she was committed to.

I, on the other hand, felt like an anaconda had wrapped itself around my heart and crushed the life out of it. It's fitting, in a way, that the same person who had so easily brought me to the highest of highs had just as effortlessly cast me down into the deepest of depths.

In hindsight, it's easy to see the numerous mistakes I made: confusing overwhelming lust/new relationship energy for "love"; thinking she was Different and Special and Not Like All Those Other Girls; expecting a teenager to think and act like an adult; pushing for a relationship instead of making her earn it; not taking the time to vet her properly; compromising my beliefs out of fear of losing her; taking her words as truth instead of watching her actions...

It was an incredibly humbling experience. I thought five years of red pill education had prepared me for this, but the tidal wave of emotions was unlike anything I had ever experienced. I was like a teetotaler who suddenly became addicted to cocaine.

A week later, I'm still working on the relationship post-mortem, trying to sort through all my mistakes and how I'll prevent them from happening again. After much introspection, I think I've found one major problem underlying almost everything else: a strong desire to pair bond.

I don't need to tell anyone here how lonely life can be post-red pill. Ugly truth is much harder to live with than pretty lies, especially when the lies are being shouted from every rooftop while the truth merely whispers in the shadows. Time, and hope, have a way of covering up that truth, like a luscious green vine whose vibrant flowers disguise the crumbling column decaying underneath.

When I met this girl, I was still subconsciously unicorn hunting. I did everything General Stalin mentions in the first quote above. The possibility of a Trump presidency had me hoping we could reverse the decline of the West; Roosh's writings had convinced of the futility of finding meaning through a never-ending series of shallow sexual encounters; posts like StrikeBack's engagement story led me to wonder if I might be able to pull off the same.

Because I started with this end in mind, I was unable to accurately view reality. I didn't see this girl for who she really was; the chemical cocktail in my head completely distorted the real world. I heard what I wanted to hear, saw what I wanted to see, and rationalized anything that didn't fit the dream I wanted so badly to be real. I broke many of the rules I spent the last five years painstakingly learning, to my own inevitable detriment.

If my question is "how do I prevent this from happening again," I don't think the answer is as simple as "never pair bond". I believe the desire for love and companionship is built into our genes, and much like our sexual desires, can be suppressed but never truly denied.

But while I'm not sure yet how to incorporate pair bonding into a healthy, red pill lifestyle, I at least know now how powerful of a drug it is, and how binging on it in an irresponsible fashion can and will bring about a terrible hangover. As painful as this last week has been, I feel wiser for having gone through it. It hurts to think about how many mistakes I made, but I'm determined to learn from those mistakes, and be stronger for having survived them.

So like GS mentions in the second quote above, from now on I will be keeping my cards much closer to my chest, and purposefully avoiding bonding with any girl before she has absolutely proven herself worthy of the risk. I will never again give up so much of myself so quickly. I'll still be on the lookout for a woman worthy of my commitment, but she will have to work much harder, and much longer, before I consider awarding her that prize.

It's helpful to hear the stories from some of the forum stalwarts experiencing the same conflicts I do. I don't think I've had sex with any woman above a 7.5 and I still get caught up in them and the desire to pair bond. It's even harder now as a dad, wanting a good woman in my life to help raise my kids. Getting the notch count up is definitely (albeit slowly) helping. Focusing on myself, my life, and my kids and seeing how great that can be also helps, but I still get lonely. I'm now working on getting the skills and confidence to go for more attractive women and being better at, as WIA said, evaluating their long term qualities.

(08-16-2016 04:15 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  A week later, I'm still working on the relationship post-mortem, trying to sort through all my mistakes and how I'll prevent them from happening again. After much introspection, I think I've found one major problem underlying almost everything else: a strong desire to pair bond.

I don't need to tell anyone here how lonely life can be post-red pill. Ugly truth is much harder to live with than pretty lies, especially when the lies are being shouted from every rooftop while the truth merely whispers in the shadows. Time, and hope, have a way of covering up that truth, like a luscious green vine whose vibrant flowers disguise the crumbling column decaying underneath.

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Because I started with this end in mind, I was unable to accurately view reality. I didn't see this girl for who she really was; the chemical cocktail in my head completely distorted the real world. I heard what I wanted to hear, saw what I wanted to see, and rationalized anything that didn't fit the dream I wanted so badly to be real. I broke many of the rules I spent the last five years painstakingly learning, to my own inevitable detriment.

Good post, you seem young. Try to cut down on the dramatic self and world examination B.S. ASAP. You will look back at this as a complete waste of time and energy years from now.

Focus on today, this hour and what you will do with it as much as you can.

The last girl I had a hint of this feeling from was this 8.5 I was banging for a couple months last year when I first moved across the states. The only reason I felt this wasy was because she was hot, so I saw myself slipping up a lot - and most women tend to say all the things you want to hear to win your favor. How attractive she is shouldn't matter. The fact are that she was a big time club-goer, out-with-the-girls-on-the-weekend type chick that was always partying, always flighty and flakey, and was only "sweet and perfect" when she was actually in my presence. She was just a good time girl who wanted to get fucked and spend some off-time with a guy (and I likely wasn't the only one).

The last girl I ever actually "fell" for was a couple years ago and ended up just fading out abruptly saying she "didn't see us working out longterm" because she was a typical snowflake who had an idealized view of the "perfect relationship" where the man she is with challenges her to grow as a person and all that other horseshit that bitches say these days.

I'm past it. Don't let good looking women fuck up your frame or your routine and way of life. Don't let their words and attempts at manipulation cause you to forget that what they say is worthless and what they do is actually what you should be paying attention to.

(08-16-2016 09:19 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The last girl I ever actually "fell" for was a couple years ago and ended up just fading out abruptly saying she "didn't see us working out longterm" because she was a typical snowflake who had an idealized view of the "perfect relationship" where the man she is with challenges her to grow as a person and all that other horseshit that bitches say these days.

I'm past it. Don't let good looking women fuck up your frame or your routine and way of life. Don't let their words and attempts at manipulation cause you to forget that what they say is worthless and what they do is actually what you should be paying attention to.

I actually think "love" is way overrated. Remember all those songs and poems about love were written by heartbroken guys.

I think for men, the idea that you would commit to a girl, care for her and provide for her as long as you are together, is as good as love go. This is what permit our grandparents to stay together during hard times, not some butterflies tingles called love.

Sacrifice and commitment are in the end what matters. Thats what made men fight and die for their country and loved ones;

As for connection, I think its simply a question of whether or not you really like the girl, so I wouldn't worry much about it. Went on a recent date with a very feminine bombshell and I admit I felt lust rising like a tsunami, but lust is empty. Other than a sheer desire to rip her clothes off I dont see myself daydreaming about her. And that's good.

Got the flaky dental assistant last night, being patient and keeping my distance paid off. Thanks to those of you that gave me advice along the way.

It seems like I get caught up in my head and have some desire to connect with these women, especially the first time we have sex. It's usually the strongest when I've had too much to drink. I still have a hard time realizing that a lot of these women just want to get plowed and me wanting some level of connection can actually turn them off. I actually get a little sad when I realize they can't or don't care to experience a deeper connection through sex. I obviously have a lot of work to do getting myself in the frame of mind to separate sex and relationship, at least as long as I'm fucking women I know I don't want to have a relationship with. I suppose an alternative would be to only have sex with women that I find to be higher value but that doesn't seem like it will help me learn as quickly or effectively.

^It's important to remember that you don't have to "just bang" women. A lot of men here on the forum are just in it for surface-level interaction with females. If having a connection and a relationship with women is something you truly want then there is no need to fool yourself or try to fake it till you make it. As long as you recognize and act upon what is best for you then that is all that matters. Don't invest anything in women who aren't interested in it and/or don't have anything to offer in return. Some (most) women only really have sex to offer in terms of value-added to a man's life. If that is the case, then one should recognize that and invest accordingly.

I just fucked up with another girl. Apparently, too much attraction, but not enough emotional connection/trust. Gotta love game

(08-17-2016 12:37 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Some (most) women only really have sex to offer in terms of value-added to a man's life. If that is the case, then one should recognize that and invest accordingly.

Thank you, I think this is a critical part that I've been missing.

Guys I think I fucked up though I don't know where.

Met a cute 7 at a club with her friend who is a 5. They both are leaving my city in 2 months (they are here for work) my buddy helped me out with that 5. So we got their numbers and met them a week later which was last Saturday for a double date. Everything went well, really smooth game.

Kiss closed her at the club, lots of kino. She loved it so much she said things like "how do you do this" while being all over me. It was really great she loved it and so did I.

Then I had to drive them back home as they had work the next morning. (my buddy stayed at the club as it was only 3am and we met some more friends there) so I drop them off and the 5 walks into the house leaving us both alone. So I continue to make out with the 7, everything is going really great and then I tell her I gotta go (I had to go back to the club to get my boys plus didn't want to bang her in the car) in addition to that, my logistics are very bad atm. I live at my aunts, there is no way I can bring her back home. Her place doesn't work either as she's got too many roommates atm. So before I left her, I told her "see you soon" and she told me that she's most likely free on Wednesday.

On Tuesday evening I text her " Do you work tmr?" I saw she read that message (it's on whatsapp) but still hasn't replied. It's already Thursday here.

Really don't get it. She was into it, the night was great, my buddy took great care of that 5. I mean everything seemed pretty good. She complemented me a lot. She was kissing me all over & now she's flaking/ playing games.

If she doesn't reply by the end of this week then I'll next her immediately. Really don't understand where it went wrong though.

(08-17-2016 08:53 PM)YoungArt Wrote:  Guys I think I fucked up though I don't know where.

Met a cute 7 at a club with her friend who is a 5. They both are leaving my city in 2 months (they are here for work) my buddy helped me out with that 5. So we got their numbers and met them a week later which was last Saturday for a double date. Everything went well, really smooth game.

Kiss closed her at the club, lots of kino. She loved it so much she said things like "how do you do this" while being all over me. It was really great she loved it and so did I.

Then I had to drive them back home as they had work the next morning. (my buddy stayed at the club as it was only 3am and we met some more friends there) so I drop them off and the 5 walks into the house leaving us both alone. So I continue to make out with the 7, everything is going really great and then I tell her I gotta go (I had to go back to the club to get my boys plus didn't want to bang her in the car) in addition to that, my logistics are very bad atm. I live at my aunts, there is no way I can bring her back home. Her place doesn't work either as she's got too many roommates atm. So before I left her, I told her "see you soon" and she told me that she's most likely free on Wednesday.

On Tuesday evening I text her " Do you work tmr?" I saw she read that message (it's on whatsapp) but still hasn't replied. It's already Thursday here.

Really don't get it. She was into it, the night was great, my buddy took great care of that 5. I mean everything seemed pretty good. She complemented me a lot. She was kissing me all over & now she's flaking/ playing games.

If she doesn't reply by the end of this week then I'll next her immediately. Really don't understand where it went wrong though.

"Strike while the iron is hot." You should have just banged her in the car. If you had did that she'd be probably messaging you right now. Other option is.... The bitch was just always going to flake. Probably wanted some entertainment for the night/few days and you gave it to her. Don't stress about it too much. This is why it's good to always be approaching the next group of girls even if you have a hot date lined up or whatever.

Girl's hamster never stops spinning, so a player must never stop playing.

-CD

Have you guys ever "waved" girls over on the dance floor, it seems like it works for me at least. Last time I did it I was standing near my friends, saw a girl about 15 feet away and made eye contact, it was busy inside and thought I'm not pushing through all these sloots just to get over there so I waved her over, my friends just laughed then about 20 seconds later she comes touches me on the shoulder and I'm grinding on her ass for 2-3 songs.

Or a girl just walking by in the bar, just pull out the chair and tell her to sit down.

Sometimes being semi obnoxious makes these girls listen better than most dogs, I can barely get my dog to fucking sit down even when I have a treat in my hand.

(08-17-2016 08:53 PM)YoungArt Wrote:  Guys I think I fucked up though I don't know where.

Met a cute 7 at a club with her friend who is a 5. They both are leaving my city in 2 months (they are here for work) my buddy helped me out with that 5. So we got their numbers and met them a week later which was last Saturday for a double date. Everything went well, really smooth game.

Kiss closed her at the club, lots of kino. She loved it so much she said things like "how do you do this" while being all over me. It was really great she loved it and so did I.

Then I had to drive them back home as they had work the next morning. (my buddy stayed at the club as it was only 3am and we met some more friends there) so I drop them off and the 5 walks into the house leaving us both alone. So I continue to make out with the 7, everything is going really great and then I tell her I gotta go (I had to go back to the club to get my boys plus didn't want to bang her in the car) in addition to that, my logistics are very bad atm. I live at my aunts, there is no way I can bring her back home. Her place doesn't work either as she's got too many roommates atm. So before I left her, I told her "see you soon" and she told me that she's most likely free on Wednesday.

On Tuesday evening I text her " Do you work tmr?" I saw she read that message (it's on whatsapp) but still hasn't replied. It's already Thursday here.

Really don't get it. She was into it, the night was great, my buddy took great care of that 5. I mean everything seemed pretty good. She complemented me a lot. She was kissing me all over & now she's flaking/ playing games.

If she doesn't reply by the end of this week then I'll next her immediately. Really don't understand where it went wrong though.

I would charge it to buyer's remorse as the most standard cause for girl flaking after escalation without closing. This is why the vets here (WIA) keep hammering
that it is a newbie's mistake to escalate without planning to close.

You dont have anything to lose. Hit her up again, be insistent but NOT NEEDY. Then write it off if you've got nothing.

(08-18-2016 04:59 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 08:53 PM)YoungArt Wrote:  Guys I think I fucked up though I don't know where.

Met a cute 7 at a club with her friend who is a 5. They both are leaving my city in 2 months (they are here for work) my buddy helped me out with that 5. So we got their numbers and met them a week later which was last Saturday for a double date. Everything went well, really smooth game.

Kiss closed her at the club, lots of kino. She loved it so much she said things like "how do you do this" while being all over me. It was really great she loved it and so did I.

Then I had to drive them back home as they had work the next morning. (my buddy stayed at the club as it was only 3am and we met some more friends there) so I drop them off and the 5 walks into the house leaving us both alone. So I continue to make out with the 7, everything is going really great and then I tell her I gotta go (I had to go back to the club to get my boys plus didn't want to bang her in the car) in addition to that, my logistics are very bad atm. I live at my aunts, there is no way I can bring her back home. Her place doesn't work either as she's got too many roommates atm. So before I left her, I told her "see you soon" and she told me that she's most likely free on Wednesday.

On Tuesday evening I text her " Do you work tmr?" I saw she read that message (it's on whatsapp) but still hasn't replied. It's already Thursday here.

Really don't get it. She was into it, the night was great, my buddy took great care of that 5. I mean everything seemed pretty good. She complemented me a lot. She was kissing me all over & now she's flaking/ playing games.

If she doesn't reply by the end of this week then I'll next her immediately. Really don't understand where it went wrong though.

I would charge it to buyer's remorse as the most standard cause for girl flaking after escalation without closing. This is why the vets here (WIA) keep hammering
that it is a newbie's mistake to escalate without planning to close.

You dont have anything to lose. Hit her up again, be insistent but NOT NEEDY. Then write it off if you've got nothing.

Thanks a lot! Reading this helped me clear up my mind. I remember WIA always talking about closing. Now I really understand what he means. I guess with every new girl you always learn something new. Will hit her up in a couple of days. If it doesn't work out with her then I'll just get a new girl. One thing is sure, this won't happen with the next chick ever again. As I'll be always aiming for the close from now one!

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Politics has been cockblocking me. There's only so much I can take before my true opinions come out, whether it be brexit or Trump. This has usually been after the bang but lately I've let it slip.